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Title: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Githunguri on February 19, 2022, 09:15:49 PM
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 19, 2022, 09:20:28 PM
That might well be true or false - just provide more evidence.
But we know for sure his competitor Raila did overthrow a legitimate gov
And wanted to bomb Moi and his cabinet.
And recently swore himself as president.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: lelewela on February 19, 2022, 11:34:48 PM
This is his last straw, if wants to burn the country with his stupid theatrics he his ill advised by Atwoli & Co. He is no longer the head of Mungiki, Kenyans are tired of the Kenyattas ,Mois and Odingas.

Uhuru will end up as the most incompetent president Kenya ever had. Whats is difficult with retiring in peace , and making sure a free and fair elections is conducted ?

Hiyo bangi yake asituletee,shenzi!

Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on February 19, 2022, 11:55:10 PM
This is his last straw, if wants to burn the country with his stupid theatrics he his ill advised by Atwoli & Co. He is no longer the head of Mungiki, Kenyans are tired of the Kenyattas ,Mois and Odingas.

Uhuru will end up as the most incompetent president Kenya ever had. Whats is difficult with retiring in peace , and making sure a free and fair elections is conducted ?

Hiyo bangi yake asituletee,shenzi!




I doubt it.  We often conflate our own preferences with those of the rest of the world.  In any case the Odingas have not been in power at any point  :D .
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: lelewela on February 20, 2022, 12:21:54 AM
Odingas have been in power in Luo Nyanza, Kibera  as MPs  and Kenya since tested in 2007 as PM and failed to claim there stolen election , as well for the last 5 years . Raila is a lazy incompetent nob like he brother Uhuru.
He went to India with more 200m living below poverty line, he comes to tell Kenyan Modi will support in paying 6,000 shillings for the jobless , what an idiot he is .

He can lie to Luo nyanza but not the rest of citizens.

This is his last straw, if wants to burn the country with his stupid theatrics he his ill advised by Atwoli & Co. He is no longer the head of Mungiki, Kenyans are tired of the Kenyattas ,Mois and Odingas.

Uhuru will end up as the most incompetent president Kenya ever had. Whats is difficult with retiring in peace , and making sure a free and fair elections is conducted ?

Hiyo bangi yake asituletee,shenzi!




I doubt it.  We often conflate our own preferences with those of the rest of the world.  In any case the Odingas have not been in power at any point  :D .
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Wa Njambi on February 20, 2022, 01:54:58 AM
Peleka ushezi kwi nyukwa. What's the 1st thing you do when in mid-air you learn that you security may be compromised? You land that equipment as quick was possible. Uhuru flew safely back to NBO from Dubai.

Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: patel on February 20, 2022, 02:04:57 AM
Ruto need to reinforce his security. These things thats how they start remember JM kariuki ?  It's slowly dawning to uhuru and his people that Raila has no path to presidency...
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 20, 2022, 03:53:23 AM
The desperados will throw everything including the kitchen sink to win back mt Kenya.I hope they don't push it because Ruto and kalenjin are not Raila...they will go the full hog.Its appears nothing will be spared ..Rwanda went down that way. If anything was to happen to Uhuru or Ruto now that they have politiczed this - it will go down the wire Rwanda way. When politics fail - military take over - if not civil war gangs of many warlords like somalia take over.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Githunguri on February 20, 2022, 06:37:57 AM
Did itumbi not say that uhuru wanted to kill uhuru at lamada?did he not?

All is fair in war,there no morals in politics.

To make matters even worse, Uhuru diehards are going to claim ruto slapped him twice in state house,

wacha katambe.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 20, 2022, 06:44:37 AM
Yes, they have run vicious malicious campaign against Raila before, and I expect they will attempt to do so on RUto, without care, because they are on the ropes. They have allowed Ruto to take over Mt kenya and have 5 months to basically turn the people 360 - degrees - it's going to be very intense and vicious - unless Mt Kenya people do what they have done so far - press the ignore button.

We will see if Uhuru will do it himself or he will leave it to Livondos. If they dont summon Livondo for questioning then we know he was sent there.

Definitely this looks like a balloon being floated...if it flies they will double down. Kiambaa & ICC has been played...without much effect. Ruto ni Mwizi na Mashamba sounds like the Anti-Kikuyu propaganda of the yore and made Ruto look like a lost Kikuyu :) finding his way home.

Ruto I guess has prepared for this kind of vicious propaganda - from the few remnants in Mt kenya still opposed to his candidature.

I am not sure how he will respond but he has Phd in propaganda. This was coming as they need to find a reason to justify betraying Ruto and abandoning 10-10.

Did itumbi not say that uhuru wanted to kill uhuru at lamada?did he not?

All is fair in war,there no morals in politics.

To make matters even worse, Uhuru diehards are going to claim ruto slapped him twice in state house,

wacha katambe.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Githunguri on February 20, 2022, 07:01:51 AM
Pundit,

Uhuru bado hajaongea.Mambo bado....

(1) He will remind kikuyu people of Molo clashes,
(2) Kiambaa 2007/8,
(3) The assasination theory,
(4) How ruto has been using boys (Ndindi/Ichungwa) to abuse their father (uhuru).He will curse them at Ihura stadium in Muranga.
(5) How Ruto stole public money and fought BBI which was mean't to help GEMA
(6) How he wanted o slap him in statehouse but uhuru gave him an uppercut,
(7) How he was blackmailing GOK projects.

You will hear the most stupid things in the coming days and weeks...Then DCI will summon ruto on assasination theory,then murathe will hire some jigger infest drunkards to protest against him outside DCI office at muthaiga,then message resonates.

expect lots of chaos moving ahead,

Martha koome will now know why she can't vote like sending money via M-pesa
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 20, 2022, 07:11:22 AM
Most of those cards have already been played.
In fact even this assassination theory is not new.
PEV/Kiambaa- is something Kikuyus are not keen to revisit - they are happy with current peace.
They know opening the wounds will lead to nothing but more hurt.
They are more keen for long lasting peace with RVs - and if giving RVs PORK is the price - they are willing to pay.
They are not worried about their past - BUT THEIR FUTURE.
Telling them what happened in the past is waste of time - tell them what will happen if Ruto or Raila wins.
Ruto has spend last four years successfully wading through all the shiets they have thrown at him and still smelling good.
The problem is selling Raila.
Whom you have spend 60yrs demonizing since 1965 GEMA oathing :)
So expecting people to choose bigger evil is not being rational.
End of day - Raila and Luo remain bigger monster than Ruto and Kalenjin in many GEMA minds.
They have seen Kalenjin/Ruto/Moi evil - they can live with it.
They dont know how evil the Luo/Raila will be - but they know what they have done to them for 60yrs
And that is biggest worry -
They know no sooner is Raila inside - than he will avenge the Jaramogi pain and then revenge for his own.
Pundit,

Uhuru bado hajaongea.Mambo bado....

(1) He will remind kikuyu people of Molo clashes,
(2) Kiambaa 2007/8,
(3) The assasination theory,
(4) How ruto has been using boys (Ndindi/Ichungwa) to abuse their father (uhuru).He will curse them at Ihura stadium in Muranga.
(5) How Ruto stole public money and fought BBI which was mean't to help GEMA
(6) How he wanted o slap him in statehouse but uhuru gave him an uppercut,
(7) How he was blackmailing GOK projects.

You will hear the most stupid things in the coming days and weeks...Then DCI will summon ruto on assasination theory,then murathe will hire some jigger infest drunkards to protest against him outside DCI office at muthaiga,then message resonates.

expect lots of chaos moving ahead,

Martha koome will now know why she can't vote like sending money via M-pesa
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on February 20, 2022, 08:30:59 AM
Livondo is a hired gun. Either Kuria hired him to revenge for the massive snubbing or was hired from above as a Kitchen sink strategy unfolds from the horizon. The cabal knows that the only way to wrestle MT Kenya from DP is to go tribal. The only major problem is that Raila is running; the same folks have demonized him for 30 years. Even bare lies could have picked traction quickly if Raila was a Mountaineer. The problem is Raila is not from the mountain and he is the guy that has brought pain to the same mountain for decades. Pains such as No Raila, no peace, boycott mt Kenya businesses, 42 vs. 1, and much more!
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 20, 2022, 10:19:22 AM
Yes their problem at end of it all is selling Raila. They are going to push for such radical narrative to explain Uhuru mindboggling decision. If I was UDA - the best thing if they mention Ruto name - is to simply ask for international probe -  and evidence
Livondo is a hired gun. Either Kuria hired him to revenge for the massive snubbing or was hired from above as a Kitchen sink strategy unfolds from the horizon. The cabal knows that the only way to wrestle MT Kenya from DP is to go tribal. The only major problem is that Raila is running; the same folks have demonized him for 30 years. Even bare lies could have picked traction quickly if Raila was a Mountaineer. The problem is Raila is not from the mountain and he is the guy that has brought pain to the same mountain for decades. Pains such as No Raila, no peace, boycott mt Kenya businesses, 42 vs. 1, and much more!
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 20, 2022, 04:47:34 PM
Moses Kuria now disowns Livondo, says he should be arrested.


https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-02-20-kuria-wants-livondo-probed-over-uhuru-assassination-plot/


Livondo is a hired gun. Either Kuria hired him to revenge for the massive snubbing or was hired from above as a Kitchen sink strategy unfolds from the horizon. The cabal knows that the only way to wrestle MT Kenya from DP is to go tribal. The only major problem is that Raila is running; the same folks have demonized him for 30 years. Even bare lies could have picked traction quickly if Raila was a Mountaineer. The problem is Raila is not from the mountain and he is the guy that has brought pain to the same mountain for decades. Pains such as No Raila, no peace, boycott mt Kenya businesses, 42 vs. 1, and much more!
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 20, 2022, 05:58:18 PM
He must be new in Kenya - anything done to bring down Ruto is legal - and if illegal - is legal.
Uhuru struggling to regain Mt Kenya is simply spilling the beans through Livondo
Moses Kuria has to be part of it - unless he was naive to invite Livondo and not know what he will say.
He is now an enemy in Ruto camp - and he should expect to be treated as one.
It's going to get vicious - as the d-day approach.
As long as they dont rig or kill or attempt to kill Ruto - they can get away with almost everything.
Otherwise the political risk of meltdown keep increasing - and the prospect of civil war remain high.
Moses Kuria now disowns Livondo, says he should be arrested.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-02-20-kuria-wants-livondo-probed-over-uhuru-assassination-plot/
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on February 20, 2022, 06:17:32 PM
Pundit I don't know what mursik you drink on daily basis but just to bring you to reality so called 2 Million kalenjim worriors don't have capacity to wage civil war in Kenya apart from kalenjin RV where else can you gain territory??? Be objective not petty.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 20, 2022, 06:27:09 PM
You enjoy my punditry when I am predicting good stuff for you part.
But you dont like me explaining what Livondo kind of talk will eventually lead to?
You can bury your head in the sand but dirty politics can get dangerous if not managed.
I clearly dont need to keep repeating nasty war scenarios every few months.
Please use the search function.
The capacity of both sides are well known.
If Uhuru and his group play rough - dont think Ruto will play nice forever.
He is only playing nice because it's in his interest to play nice - if he was to lose Mt Kenya votes - you'll see another Ruto and a different Kalenjin political landscape. For now the daggers are hidden.
But if you rig  him or compromise the supreme court or attempt to kill him - you think he will play Mr Nice :)
Some of us predicted 2007 violence but nobody listened. You rig and you burn kenya. Naah just few Luos will throw stones and we are back to the streets. That is scenario of 2013 and 2017 - and I made such prediction. Not 2007 or 2022. The players are different.
You were busy with Kibaki is in charge of security and bla de bla. 48hrs later you have 600K people evicted. Ruto is dead man walking songs for 3yrs.
In short - NJuri still water run deep - Uhuru is putting one leg - I hope he doesnt jump with both legs.
Ruto is in this to win - and he wont accept anything that is less than credible election.
Kalenjin are nice people - until they are not nice :(. You wont tell when they flip. It's my job here to help you understand.
Uhuru-Ruto war is MAD - mutually assured destruction - just like Russia/USA war.

As for capacity - when you win in West Pokot - :) - come and I will tell you more.
Maybe you think - the war will always be fought with arrows - what if it becomes guns, grenades and bombs?
What if military and police force split - with weapons split?
What if Museveni and Salva Kiir send 10,000 guns.

That is when you'll know Kalenjin ni moto ya kuotea mbali. You have well trained millions of soldiers with a cause. They just need small weapon upgrade and no police will go to RV - KDF yes. Sio Mungiki which you need to mobilize. This is almost entire community flipping into a military mode....1st of all forget about Kenya gov ever stepping in rift valley....hiyo sahau...secession is like default day one achieved. You will be needing heavy military escort during the day - if there are no guns involved. Otherwise at night - you'd be killed.

Again - like Farah Maalim said - when you're dealing with Ruto and Kalenjin - remember these is not Raila and Luos that you can play around - rig them left right - and kill them. This is whole different BALLGAME. These are people who will transform into a army in a second.....and it's not small community....it huge.

Pundit I don't know what mursik you drink on daily basis but just to bring you to reality so called 2 Million kalenjim worriors don't have capacity to wage civil war in Kenya apart from kalenjin RV where else can you gain territory??? Be objective not petty.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on February 20, 2022, 06:47:32 PM
Pundit am good at military strategy far than you,you are a kid to me when it comes to war,take it from me kalenjim don't have capacity to cause civil war in Kenya.
Am on record saying kenya security forces kdf included are the weakest. Putting that into consideration and saying they will disentigrate too but even with that your scenario even doesn't come into play,you are hoping on marching down the highway from Eldoret to Nairobi (addis ababa)Tigray style.
Pundit be easy wacha blood pressure bure. Sisi GEMA ndio tutaweka Ruto kama rais kalenjins nyinyi ni kusindikiza, after that we remote control mzito Ruto after Linturi becomes his pimp.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 20, 2022, 06:55:56 PM
I have given you scenarios that can lead to civil war or Ethiopia situation now - where your military generals have given up on Tigray.
1) Attempt or kill Ruto
2) Rig Ruto and compromise supreme court to deliver unfair verdict.
Those are two scenarios.
I dont see how Uhuru dirty politics will bring Ruto to engage in similar dirty politics.
It's in Ruto interest to play clean.

Pundit am good at military strategy far than you,you are a kid to me when it comes to war,take it from me kalenjim don't have capacity to cause civil war in Kenya.
Am on record saying kenya security forces kdf included are the weakest. Putting that into consideration and saying they will disentigrate too but even with that your scenario even doesn't come into play,you are hoping on marching down the highway from Eldoret to Nairobi (addis ababa)Tigray style.
Pundit be easy wacha blood pressure bure. Sisi GEMA ndio tutaweka Ruto kama rais kalenjins nyinyi ni kusindikiza, after that we remote control mzito Ruto after Linturi becomes his pimp.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on February 20, 2022, 06:57:13 PM
I have given you scenarios that can lead to civil war
1) Attempt or kill Ruto
2) Rig Ruto and compromise supreme court to deliver unfair verdict.
Those are two scenarios.
I dont see how Uhuru dirty politics will bring Ruto to engage in similar dirty politics.
It's in Ruto interest to play clean.

Pundit am good at military strategy far than you,you are a kid to me when it comes to war,take it from me kalenjim don't have capacity to cause civil war in Kenya.
Am on record saying kenya security forces kdf included are the weakest. Putting that into consideration and saying they will disentigrate too but even with that your scenario even doesn't come into play,you are hoping on marching down the highway from Eldoret to Nairobi (addis ababa)Tigray style.
Pundit be easy wacha blood pressure bure. Sisi GEMA ndio tutaweka Ruto kama rais kalenjins nyinyi ni kusindikiza, after that we remote control mzito Ruto after Linturi becomes his pimp.
Who will cause civil war apart from Kalenjins?
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 20, 2022, 06:59:41 PM
Study this map. Kalenjin are smark right at the center of real kenya. A civil war in Kalenjin land or secession basically cuts kenya into two. You can stay with cows and camels in Isiolo :) - but Kenya gov will collapse - uganda will feel pain - south sudan - drc congo.

Again remember voting Ruto is no gurantee that immigrant wont be evicted.
Ask Gusii who voted largely for ODM - but a few votes went to PNU - and Kalenjin said they dropped the ball - and deserved a beating. It didnt help that Nyachae had attempted to kill Ruto with his chinkororo warriors shooting him - in yet another type of reckless behaviour that endanger many innocent people. So these kind of things - people are noting - and will use it as excuse to plunder.

GEMA people in RV - even if they vote 90 percent - if their kin and kith vote less than in Central - than what Kalenjin did in 2013/2017 - Kalenjin will still see that as betrayal - and will still beat them - if they lose. Uhuru is leading the way in playing dirty.

(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Thomas-Jayne/publication/257788768/figure/fig1/AS:297449626325004@1447928925779/Population-density-in-Kenya.png)
Who will cause civil war apart from Kalenjins?
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Kichwa on February 20, 2022, 08:13:43 PM
The presidential elections for 2022 is already decided, RAO is the 5th.

That might well be true or false - just provide more evidence.
But we know for sure his competitor Raila did overthrow a legitimate gov
And wanted to bomb Moi and his cabinet.
And recently swore himself as president.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: yulemsee on February 20, 2022, 09:12:18 PM
Pundito and his violence threats, everybody and their goat knows that Ruto can only threaten PEV, but implementing it will be suicide for him politically. Since everybody knows this, this threats are D.o.A
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 20, 2022, 09:26:23 PM
Pundito and his violence threats, everybody and their goat knows that Ruto can only threaten PEV, but implementing it will be suicide for him politically. Since everybody knows this, this threats are D.o.A
so you see no problem when propaganda extend to attempting to commit treason like kill president or swear one...if Ruto was to swear himself the Hustle president Kenya kutakwisha.We need to raise alerts when we cross the red lines.There is politics and then there is war. War happen when politics failed.As Uhuru loses the politics he is going to try to war but let him be aware that he is taking your country down.I will help you demonstrate what dangers lurks by playing scenarios you rather not think
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 20, 2022, 09:28:06 PM
The presidential elections for 2022 is already decided, RAO is the 5th.

That might well be true or false - just provide more evidence.
But we know for sure his competitor Raila did overthrow a legitimate gov
And wanted to bomb Moi and his cabinet.
And recently swore himself as president.
last you told me in 2010 that Obama n Kibaki were done making raila pork..I am hoping he is retiring having completed 10yrs as imaginary pork.Kichwa don't set yourself for more depression...just study my moas..Ruto losing 2022 will take big screw up
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Githunguri on February 21, 2022, 07:32:24 AM
Ruto is now crying foul that we should avoid divisive statements..Na bado,Thika was just a taste of the medicine.gloves are off.

Ruto is starting at a disadvantage.He needs Kikuyu and luhya to attain 50+1 constitutional threshold.That means he cannot or even wish to have civil war because these communities who vote against him.Unlike Moi,He does not have control of police intelligence and military and phone networks to bully his opponents.

That means even if Azimio rigs this election and influences Supreme court for favourable judgement.No war will take place.

ANYBODY WHO THINKS OR IMAGINES RUTO WILL BECOME PRESIDENT IN 2022 IS A MAD MAN.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Githunguri on February 21, 2022, 07:50:15 AM
Study this map. Kalenjin are smark right at the center of real kenya. A civil war in Kalenjin land or secession basically cuts kenya into two. You can stay with cows and camels in Isiolo :) - but Kenya gov will collapse - uganda will feel pain - south sudan - drc congo.

Again remember voting Ruto is no gurantee that immigrant wont be evicted.
Ask Gusii who voted largely for ODM - but a few votes went to PNU - and Kalenjin said they dropped the ball - and deserved a beating. It didnt help that Nyachae had attempted to kill Ruto with his chinkororo warriors shooting him - in yet another type of reckless behaviour that endanger many innocent people. So these kind of things - people are noting - and will use it as excuse to plunder.

GEMA people in RV - even if they vote 90 percent - if their kin and kith vote less than in Central - than what Kalenjin did in 2013/2017 - Kalenjin will still see that as betrayal - and will still beat them - if they lose. Uhuru is leading the way in playing dirty.

(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Thomas-Jayne/publication/257788768/figure/fig1/AS:297449626325004@1447928925779/Population-density-in-Kenya.png)
Who will cause civil war apart from Kalenjins?

We have reached a point of no return,

I repeat,Ruto can't attempt civil war because that would put him below 50% which Kikuyu and luhya give him.

Unlike in Moi days,Show me the percentage of kalenjins in the police and kdf.Table real data hear.Even if they revolted,they wouldn't beat other tribes.

In the likely scenario Kenya goes to civil war,Kenya will be divided on one side Kikuyu kamba,then coast republic,luhya luhya republic,republic of Somali land and then you will have kalenjin maasai pokot samburu republic that would bring war between maasai andkalenjins and Ruto would loose control pokot and turkana are just armed bandits who would overun him in days.

Be careful what you wish for,we have Ruto by the balls,ATALIJUA JIJI.Nairobi sio sugoi.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 21, 2022, 07:52:38 AM
Why would Kalenjin start war before all election processes have been exhausted. Not unless Ruto is killed now. They are going to zipped it up. But assume that Ruto has been rigged out, present evidence that shows clearly he has been rigged out and the supreme court dismiss them - at that point I tell Uhuru will hand to Raila in some bunker - with millions in IDP camps and many deaths.

Kalenjin dont care about alliance when it come to war - that is why in 1992 they fought against almost all tribes. They dont care about police or army - give kalenjin 10 guns - and bring the police with 100 guns - the police will run. Actually police run with arrows - It's KDF that will run.

They have the numbers (millions of warriors that can be activated in few hours all over rift valley - that KDF/Kenya Police cannot raise those numbers), they have the rudimentary training and they have a cause. 

We have reached a point of no return,

I repeat,Ruto can't attempt civil war because that would put him below 50% which Kikuyu and luhya give him.

Unlike in Moi days,Show me the percentage of kalenjins in the police and kdf.Table real data hear.Even if they revolted,they wouldn't beat other tribes.

In the likely scenario Kenya goes to civil war,Kenya will be divided on one side Kikuyu kamba,then coast republic,luhya luhya republic,republic of Somali land and then you will have kalenjin maasai pokot samburu republic that would bring war between maasai andkalenjins and Ruto would loose control pokot and turkana are just armed bandits who would overun him in days.

Be careful what you wish for,we have Ruto by the balls,ATALIJUA JIJI.Nairobi sio sugoi.

Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: sema on February 21, 2022, 08:00:19 AM
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Otherwise the political risk of meltdown keep increasing - and the prospect of civil war remain high.

Why would Uhuru risk becoming an international pariah 5 months before his term ends? Uhuru will retire in peace.  His wife will move back to London and that will be it.  Kenyans don't like to see their ex presidents disrespected. This is not Liberia where people's ears will be cut off on live TV.

Raila will then spend the next 5 years harassing Ruto and taking him to court.  Ruto should retaliate by letting miguna miguna come back.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Githunguri on February 21, 2022, 08:02:07 AM
Rvp

Control your emotions.Be a man.

Even if it means swearing Raila in statehouse banker,Who cares? Even kibaki was sworn at night.

This time it's ballin Bai without lube ballin Bai miguna version....If you dare protest anywhere near Nairobi,kibra goons will be on your case.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 21, 2022, 08:03:12 AM
It's upto him - the best thing Uhuru and institution can do is to ensure very credible, very free, very fair election - if Ruto loses after such a process - he will bide his time - wait for Raila to finish his term. He is just 55yrs.

If not - I am afraid neither Ruto or Kalenjin have the stomach for such an injustice. Kalenjin dont take lightly to injustice that would make them lesser men like Luos have been made in kenya.

The Luos have endured a lot - but not Kalenjin. Not before they kill and plunder.

Why would Uhuru risk becoming an international pariah 5 months before his term ends? Uhuru will retire in peace.  His wife will move back to London and that will be it.  Kenyans don't like to see their ex presidents disrespected. This is not Liberia where people's ears will be cut off on live TV.

Raila will then spend the next 5 years harassing Ruto and taking him to court.  Ruto should retaliate by letting miguna miguna come back.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Githunguri on February 21, 2022, 08:05:13 AM
Why would Kalenjin start war before all election processes have been exhausted. Not unless Ruto is killed now. They are going to zipped it up. But assume that Ruto has been rigged out, present evidence that shows clearly he has been rigged out and the supreme court dismiss them - at that point I tell Uhuru will hand to Raila in some bunker - with millions in IDP camps and many deaths.

Kalenjin dont care about alliance when it come to war - that is why in 1992 they fought against almost all tribes. They dont care about police or army - give kalenjin 10 guns - and bring the police with 100 guns - the police will run. Actually police run with arrows - It's KDF that will run.

They have the numbers (millions of warriors that can be activated in few hours all over rift valley - that KDF/Kenya Police cannot raise those numbers), they have the rudimentary training and they have a cause. 

We have reached a point of no return,

I repeat,Ruto can't attempt civil war because that would put him below 50% which Kikuyu and luhya give him.

Unlike in Moi days,Show me the percentage of kalenjins in the police and kdf.Table real data hear.Even if they revolted,they wouldn't beat other tribes.

In the likely scenario Kenya goes to civil war,Kenya will be divided on one side Kikuyu kamba,then coast republic,luhya luhya republic,republic of Somali land and then you will have kalenjin maasai pokot samburu republic that would bring war between maasai andkalenjins and Ruto would loose control pokot and turkana are just armed bandits who would overun him in days.

Be careful what you wish for,we have Ruto by the balls,ATALIJUA JIJI.Nairobi sio sugoi.


Kalenjins controlled Kenya security department from 1983-2007,Now it's not the case.

Unlike in Moi days when you could become president with 36%,Now you need 50%>

Count your losses and move on.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 21, 2022, 08:05:22 AM
I am playing scenarios that can help you and loved ones.
War will start if Ruto is rigged - just immediately a compromised supreme court okays such a rigged process.
If the final verdict is delivered at 4pm - by 6pm - the entire rift valley will be a war zone - and following morning the world will wake up to a huge shock of the destruction it would have done in 12 hours.
By then Kalenjin will not care about elections or trying to appease or smile at people.
They know peaceful demos is just being fodder for kenya police guns - they know even calling for repeat election is waste of time.
They will go for war - first to reclaim land - and secondly to force coalition gov - with majimbo at it core - or self-governance of each tribe.
Uhuru may decide to hand over to military at that point
Otherwise by then international community will be calling Ruto and Kalenjin to stop genocide.
In my estimation - I see about 3 million IDPS - the entire rift valley and bordering communities in huge fire & destruction.
Rvp

Control your emotions.Be a man.

Even if it means swearing Raila in statehouse banker,Who cares? Even kibaki was sworn at night.

This time it's ballin Bai without lube ballin Bai miguna version....If you dare protest anywhere near Nairobi,kibra goons will be on your case.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on February 21, 2022, 08:22:52 AM
Uhuru will campaign and hope Raila wins fairly. I do not think he will dare rig because he knows the legacy he will leave behind. If Ruto loses fairly, he will congratulate the winner and wait for the 2027 duel again. If he wins outright and somehow the election is bungled like 2007, DP will be spending many days, weeks, and months convincing folks to stop fighting. Folks tend to erupt organically when the loser fraudulently is announced the winner!
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 21, 2022, 08:25:06 AM
I dont think Ruto will be in Kenya if violence starts. He knows what destruction the Kalenjin are capable of executing in few hours . He will run to exile for an alibi against ICC and for his personal security. Uhuru will be looking for him to stop the kalenjin. All he need to do is not talk. They will be looking for Ruto to calm down the warriors.

The biggest strength kalenjin have is ability to rise almost all at once and fight - the ability to raise millions of fighters in few minutes rudimentary trained in military warfare - in large area - will mean Kenya Police is useless - and will be busy with IDP camps.

At that point - it's to bring KDF - and then things could go very wrong for kenya - for a very long time.

Uhuru will campaign and hope Raila wins fairly. I do not think he will dare rig because he knows the legacy he will leave behind. If Ruto loses fairly, he will congratulate the winner and wait for the 2027 duel again. If he wins outright and somehow the election is bungled like 2007, DP will be spending many days, weeks, and months convincing folks to stop fighting. Folks tend to erupt organically when the loser fraudulently is announced the winner!
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on February 21, 2022, 09:26:21 AM
I dont think Ruto will be in Kenya if violence starts. He knows what destruction the Kalenjin are capable of executing in few hours . He will run to exile for an alibi against ICC and for his personal security. Uhuru will be looking for him to stop the kalenjin. All he need to do is not talk. They will be looking for Ruto to calm down the warriors.

The biggest strength kalenjin have is ability to rise almost all at once and fight - the ability to raise millions of fighters in few minutes rudimentary trained in military warfare - in large area - will mean Kenya Police is useless - and will be busy with IDP camps.

At that point - it's to bring KDF - and then things could go very wrong for kenya - for a very long time.

Uhuru will campaign and hope Raila wins fairly. I do not think he will dare rig because he knows the legacy he will leave behind. If Ruto loses fairly, he will congratulate the winner and wait for the 2027 duel again. If he wins outright and somehow the election is bungled like 2007, DP will be spending many days, weeks, and months convincing folks to stop fighting. Folks tend to erupt organically when the loser fraudulently is announced the winner!
I know exactly what you mean. I wish we never experience or see tension ever in Kenya. I am a Uasin Gishu native, and I know how folks can quickly assemble when "Kakobook" is uttered. Non-Kalenjins would start trembling when Jacobo (Kakobook actually) war cry starts. In my village, we had more luhyas than Nandis in 1990, and when multipartyism started, tension started almost immediately. Kenyan villages were mixed and in harmony up until 1990. In my village, the Nandi folks were MOI damu, and Luhyas were proudly FORD! One night the sleepy, quiet village erupted, and houses from both sides started going up in flames out of nowhere. The next day or so, a contingent of Nandi warriors from remote villages came in lorries and tractors. Within weeks of combat, popularly known as land clashes, the whole village was 100% Kalenjin because Luhyas had been driven past Turbo to Lumukanda sides in present day Kakamega County. Within months, Kalenjins, as well in Kakamega and Luhya areas, were driven to Uasin Gishu showing no one wins when folks fight. It is only the uchumi and poverty that will follow.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 21, 2022, 10:08:48 AM
Yes it will be disaster and there will be no winners.
Yes Kakobook is bad news. I didnt know about Kalenjin ability to rise and defend themselves in that scale until I witnessesed in 1992.
Previously I used to know kalenjin like everyone whenever there is small cry in the village - people would rush to scenes - mostly armed.
But Kakobook is bad news - I still remember that day in 1992 -  Kabobook! O-wen Molo! - "there is war! Attack molo" - it was errie women cry
That move quickly ridge to ridge.
Our primary school was half boarding half day
Immediately the bell was rung - it was mid-day - we were told to go home - and use the left or right path - cant remember depending on the gender.
We took like an hour to get our stuff out - by time we are getting out of the gate - thousands of men - dressed wierldy - never seen kipisigis dressed in shukas before - armed with all sort of crude weapons were assembling in schools.
As we walked to nearest town to get transport home - more and more were coming.
We reach home eventually - to find everyone left - to my grandfather house in the next ridge - there were only one worker - who was hidding behind the house. I dont know where my father was....but we came back the following day when it was established the war was happening in Nakuru district -
I dont know how the news broke - but in some areas - they were saying kikuyu raiders had emerged from the forest :) - anyway for the next three days - thousands of people passed our farm to Nakuru - we live 2 kms from Mau forest - many coming from transmara that 200kms  - sweeping through kikiyus and gusii - in the next days - burning/killing/stealing
Cows and all sort of livestock would follow - to be sold. Somehow Kalenjin believe cows from raid - are huge blessing - than cow you rear - so they demand for them was high. Kalenjin are savage thieves.
And then it ended as quickly as it started...though many never came back from forest - deciding to clear mau forest for settlement - or steal kikuyu cows - in Nakuru - those transmara primitives are something else - brown teeth with cuts all over their body .
Many eventually became the squattors and mau ogiek - Moi had to settle in late 90s.

....Kibaki swearing at nigh...no sooner had CJ done that  swearing - my friend from Lessos calls me - tell me at least a couple thousand nandis warriors are matching to Burnt forest....that was early night - and tomorrow moring- they had swept clean except for few areas like Kiambaa.

-- That is why it's in kenya interest to make sure Kakobook is never sounded - because they will no time to respond or plan to respond - and the police had better prepared for night battles

I know exactly what you mean. I wish we never experience or see tension ever in Kenya. I am a Uasin Gishu native, and I know how folks can quickly assemble when "Kakobook" is uttered. Non-Kalenjins would start trembling when Jacobo (Kakobook actually) war cry starts. In my village, we had more luhyas than Nandis in 1990, and when multipartyism started, tension started almost immediately. Kenyan villages were mixed and in harmony up until 1990. In my village, the Nandi folks were MOI damu, and Luhyas were proudly FORD! One night the sleepy, quiet village erupted, and houses from both sides started going up in flames out of nowhere. The next day or so, a contingent of Nandi warriors from remote villages came in lorries and tractors. Within weeks of combat, popularly known as land clashes, the whole village was 100% Kalenjin because Luhyas had been driven past Turbo to Lumukanda sides in present day Kakamega County. Within months, Kalenjins, as well in Kakamega and Luhya areas, were driven to Uasin Gishu showing no one wins when folks fight. It is only the uchumi and poverty that will follow.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Njuri Ncheke on February 21, 2022, 10:56:41 AM
At least you now agree there can't be winners but most suffering will be in Kalenjin RV loss of property and deaths,we from other areas will be watching on TV just like in the past. Kabobook :D
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 21, 2022, 11:01:42 AM
When did I not agree. I have always said I will be biggest victim because I own properties in Kikuyu and Kambaland. And I cannot take my wife to RV - those savages when they run out of victims - can start going for anyone. I am going to be in Uganda depending on how things pan out - if I see a scenario of war - you'll not find me in kenya. The retaliatory attacks will catch many on the wrong sides because unfortunately most people do not think through issues - they just assume everything will be fine or have no option. Others will be thinking - it cannot happen...they cannot dare...ICC and many make-belief nonsense - when you're dealing with Africa Savages!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is not an election to joke about. As we approach d-day - with Uhury & deep state digging in - Ruto will dig in - you better be safe. Dont be around Kericho Tea Hotel unless you have to. You will run to the police station to find it's full of women and children - who are dying in that police station - urudishe you get sodomized and killed. This is what happened to many men in 2007 - we took our farm workers only to find police station is full to the brim - a kid had died there from suffocation - men not allowed to shelter in police station - we had to live with our workers in same house for two weeks - hidding them until it was safe and the road unblocked.

I can only be found nabbing if Ruto was to drop dead and kalenjin erupted - but within those two hours - before news  reaches everywhere - I will be in JKIA flying out of the country

At least you now agree there can't be winners but most suffering will be in Kalenjin RV loss of property and deaths,we from other areas will be watching on TV just like in the past. Kabobook :D
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Kadudu on February 21, 2022, 11:36:26 AM
Why are people busy discussing any issue from Stanley Livondo's mouth? That man is totally irrelevant in Kenya's political scene. He wants limelight by all means. The man lost his political and financial clout with the dissapearance of Mary Wambui, who it is said Livondo was servicing since Mzee could not keep up with the demand.

As of Pundit and his war cries, I think this issue has been discussed hundred times before and seems Pundit has not learnt anything.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 21, 2022, 12:27:22 PM
Pray what I did miss?
As of Pundit and his war cries, I think this issue has been discussed hundred times before and seems Pundit has not learnt anything.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: audacityofhope on February 21, 2022, 01:23:55 PM
Uhuru will campaign and hope Raila wins fairly. I do not think he will dare rig because he knows the legacy he will leave behind. If Ruto loses fairly, he will congratulate the winner and wait for the 2027 duel again. If he wins outright and somehow the election is bungled like 2007, DP will be spending many days, weeks, and months convincing folks to stop fighting. Folks tend to erupt organically when the loser fraudulently is announced the winner!
Beg your pardon Sir?
Ruto won't be sitting pretty. The public has already been told what awaits him after Aug 9th... malipo ni hapa hapa

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The leaders (OKA) said they will join forces with like-minded parties to “ensure those stealing from Kenyans are dealt with decisively” in a spirited fight against corruption.

Read more at: Kalonzo, Gideon to sign Raila deal in Uhuru's presence (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-02-20-kalonzo-sets-conditions-for-talks-with-raila/)
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 21, 2022, 02:14:38 PM
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Kadudu on February 21, 2022, 02:25:23 PM
Helicopter hazina mafuta. Government is broke due to spending in Jubilee I. :D :D :D

Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Kichwa on February 21, 2022, 05:36:16 PM
So you are the only one entitled to make predictions? You have made many that never came through. Ruto got away with stealing and murder and Somehow Ruto's arrogance has gotten to your Kalenjin head-You all think you are politial geniuses. Things have changed.

The presidential elections for 2022 is already decided, RAO is the 5th.

That might well be true or false - just provide more evidence.
But we know for sure his competitor Raila did overthrow a legitimate gov
And wanted to bomb Moi and his cabinet.
And recently swore himself as president.
last you told me in 2010 that Obama n Kibaki were done making raila pork..I am hoping he is retiring having completed 10yrs as imaginary pork.Kichwa don't set yourself for more depression...just study my moas..Ruto losing 2022 will take big screw up
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Githunguri on February 21, 2022, 08:48:41 PM
Pundit,

Uhuru bado hajaongea.Mambo bado....

(1) He will remind kikuyu people of Molo clashes,
(2) Kiambaa 2007/8,
(3) The assasination theory,
(4) How ruto has been using boys (Ndindi/Ichungwa) to abuse their father (uhuru).He will curse them at Ihura stadium in Muranga.
(5) How Ruto stole public money and fought BBI which was mean't to help GEMA
(6) How he wanted o slap him in statehouse but uhuru gave him an uppercut,
(7) How he was blackmailing GOK projects.

You will hear the most stupid things in the coming days and weeks...Then DCI will summon ruto on assasination theory,then murathe will hire some jigger infest drunkards to protest against him outside DCI office at muthaiga,then message resonates.

expect lots of chaos moving ahead,

Martha koome will now know why she can't vote like sending money via M-pesa

Like i said, the matter will head to DCI and it surely did today....Anything that makes Ruto dirty.The PROPAGANDA continues in media and local radio stations like inooro.All is fair in war.

Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on February 21, 2022, 08:58:24 PM
Yes it will be disaster and there will be no winners.
Yes Kakobook is bad news. I didnt know about Kalenjin ability to rise and defend themselves in that scale until I witnessesed in 1992.
Previously I used to know kalenjin like everyone whenever there is small cry in the village - people would rush to scenes - mostly armed.
But Kakobook is bad news - I still remember that day in 1992 -  Kabobook! O-wen Molo! - "there is war! Attack molo" - it was errie women cry
That move quickly ridge to ridge.
Our primary school was half boarding half day
Immediately the bell was rung - it was mid-day - we were told to go home - and use the left or right path - cant remember depending on the gender.
We took like an hour to get our stuff out - by time we are getting out of the gate - thousands of men - dressed wierldy - never seen kipisigis dressed in shukas before - armed with all sort of crude weapons were assembling in schools.
As we walked to nearest town to get transport home - more and more were coming.
We reach home eventually - to find everyone left - to my grandfather house in the next ridge - there were only one worker - who was hidding behind the house. I dont know where my father was....but we came back the following day when it was established the war was happening in Nakuru district -
I dont know how the news broke - but in some areas - they were saying kikuyu raiders had emerged from the forest :) - anyway for the next three days - thousands of people passed our farm to Nakuru - we live 2 kms from Mau forest - many coming from transmara that 200kms  - sweeping through kikiyus and gusii - in the next days - burning/killing/stealing
Cows and all sort of livestock would follow - to be sold. Somehow Kalenjin believe cows from raid - are huge blessing - than cow you rear - so they demand for them was high. Kalenjin are savage thieves.
And then it ended as quickly as it started...though many never came back from forest - deciding to clear mau forest for settlement - or steal kikuyu cows - in Nakuru - those transmara primitives are something else - brown teeth with cuts all over their body .
Many eventually became the squattors and mau ogiek - Moi had to settle in late 90s.

....Kibaki swearing at nigh...no sooner had CJ done that  swearing - my friend from Lessos calls me - tell me at least a couple thousand nandis warriors are matching to Burnt forest....that was early night - and tomorrow moring- they had swept clean except for few areas like Kiambaa.

-- That is why it's in kenya interest to make sure Kakobook is never sounded - because they will no time to respond or plan to respond - and the police had better prepared for night battles

I know exactly what you mean. I wish we never experience or see tension ever in Kenya. I am a Uasin Gishu native, and I know how folks can quickly assemble when "Kakobook" is uttered. Non-Kalenjins would start trembling when Jacobo (Kakobook actually) war cry starts. In my village, we had more luhyas than Nandis in 1990, and when multipartyism started, tension started almost immediately. Kenyan villages were mixed and in harmony up until 1990. In my village, the Nandi folks were MOI damu, and Luhyas were proudly FORD! One night the sleepy, quiet village erupted, and houses from both sides started going up in flames out of nowhere. The next day or so, a contingent of Nandi warriors from remote villages came in lorries and tractors. Within weeks of combat, popularly known as land clashes, the whole village was 100% Kalenjin because Luhyas had been driven past Turbo to Lumukanda sides in present day Kakamega County. Within months, Kalenjins, as well in Kakamega and Luhya areas, were driven to Uasin Gishu showing no one wins when folks fight. It is only the uchumi and poverty that will follow.
That eerie war cry should be abolished. It tortured me in the 90s as a young boy. I had associated the war cry with less food because non-Kales women and children would throng to our home to seek refuge. My family would share the little we had, meaning Boi (me) would eat less. Even in high school (Arnesen's Boys) in Burnt Forest, we could hear that through the hollows of Timboroa, Kamuyu, and rironi villages, and our hearts would just sink. Those marauding warriors were so disciplined and organized because as soon as Kakobook was sounded, five minutes later, after you dress and peep through domitory window, you would see the houses already on fire. Moments later, in the thick of the night, you would see weirdly dressed people with bows and arrows walking in single file like a platoon. Boy! I was scared of those weirdly dressed warriors more than anyone. Folks in the dormitory made fun of me for shaking like a leaf and teeth-gnashing when war cry was on late at night!
I do not miss those days one bit. I hope Uhuru and his cabal do not take us there by playing dirty politics and rigging. Messing elections and inciting people are two things that can turn Kenya upside down. Moi incited folks in parables throughout the 90s, Kibaki rigged elections, Raila incited folks (No Raila, No peace, 42v1, and so on) and the rest is history. If Kenya can get integrity-driven servant leadership preaching peace and conducting mature politics plus fully independent IEBC that can conduct accurate and verifiable elections, fighting would be a thing of the past in Kenya. Folks respect when they lose fairly and listen to their kingpins. If Kingpins says this and that, they tend to follow with to a T. Kibaki did well economically on a national scale, but he sacrificed thousands of okuyus in RV. Had he accepted defeat, 2007 would not have taken place. Same with Moi, had he accepted Multipartyism with open hands, instead of constantly coming to villages and uttering madoadoa BS, the 90s wars would not have started. I respect the current crop of Kale leadership because they constantly preach peace and never incite. The only opening where war may start is if the election is rigged/bungled. Uhuru and his government need to make sure elections are smooth, transparent, and accurate. Kenyans will accept either Odinga, or Ruto with open harms except for government cartels on either side, especially Uhuru those chaperoning Uhuru interests. There is a rumor that both DP and Raila are working on picking non-Okuyu deputies, Hey Pundit. Do you think that is a possibility? DP at the moment is like "no" because that would undercut him because he has the most support in Central. I think if Uhuru chips his support to below 50%, he may go with a Luhya if Raila picks Kalonzo! 
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 21, 2022, 09:27:10 PM
Yes you can almost understand why people think those warriors are planned and organized. I dont know where people were taught those things - but somehow immediately war cry was sounded - folks removed their trousers - wore shorts - those without shorts simply cut their trousers into half with a sword - some even camouflage their faces with white clay - and armed themselves to the teeth - every warriors carries swords, club, arrows, etc - and rush to the assembly point in the village - then village joins up to sub location then location - then by time you know there are 10,000 dressed and armed like a stone age army :) . The it's eerie silences as nobody talks. If you talk you get beaten as people see it bad omen - there is no dissuading or giving them second thought. It's just long lines of warriors matching - and few hours - the loot arrives. Cattle, bicyles, even chicken.

2007 - there was less traditional wear thing - and there were phones - 2007 was more ODM gangs - than 1992 which was really traditional warfare with regalia.

Anyway current generation of kalenjin leaders are doing a good job - someone like Kones was inciting people using parables. I am not sure what Kikuyu did to him - but he was a real kikuyu hater.Of course current leaders can change tune - and Kalenjin are expert in speaking the opposite of what they say - they can say we want peace - when they mean we want war - and everyone will understand. There is art of speaking code language that is taught in MTC - where people can speak about you and you wont even know.

Ultimate the burden lies with Uhuru - he is one who can bring the demons back - and this time we may lose the country.

That eerie war cry should be abolished. It tortured me in the 90s as a young boy. I had associated the war cry with less food because non-Kales women and children would throng to our home to seek refuge. My family would share the little we had, meaning Boi (me) would eat less. Even in high school (Arnesen's Boys) in Burnt Forest, we could hear that through the hollows of Timboroa, Kamuyu, and rironi villages, and our hearts would just sink. Those marauding warriors were so disciplined and organized because as soon as Kakobook was sounded, five minutes later, after you dress and peep through domitory window, you would see the houses already on fire. Moments later, in the thick of the night, you would see weirdly dressed people with bows and arrows walking in single file like a platoon. Boy! I was scared of those weirdly dressed warriors more than anyone. Folks in the dormitory made fun of me for shaking like a leaf and teeth-gnashing when war cry was on late at night!
I do not miss those days one bit. I hope Uhuru and his cabal do not take us there by playing dirty politics and rigging. Messing elections and inciting people are two things that can turn Kenya upside down. Moi incited folks in parables throughout the 90s, Kibaki rigged elections, Raila incited folks (No Raila, No peace, 42v1, and so on) and the rest is history. If Kenya can get integrity-driven servant leadership preaching peace and conducting mature politics plus fully independent IEBC that can conduct accurate and verifiable elections, fighting would be a thing of the past in Kenya. Folks respect when they lose fairly and listen to their kingpins. If Kingpins says this and that, they tend to follow with to a T. Kibaki did well economically on a national scale, but he sacrificed thousands of okuyus in RV. Had he accepted defeat, 2007 would not have taken place. Same with Moi, had he accepted Multipartyism with open hands, instead of constantly coming to villages and uttering madoadoa BS, the 90s wars would not have started. I respect the current crop of Kale leadership because they constantly preach peace and never incite. The only opening where war may start is if the election is rigged/bungled. Uhuru and his government need to make sure elections are smooth, transparent, and accurate. Kenyans will accept either Odinga, or Ruto with open harms except for government cartels on either side, especially Uhuru those chaperoning Uhuru interests. There is a rumor that both DP and Raila are working on picking non-Okuyu deputies, Hey Pundit. Do you think that is a possibility? DP at the moment is like "no" because that would undercut him because he has the most support in Central. I think if Uhuru chips his support to below 50%, he may go with a Luhya if Raila picks Kalonzo! 
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 21, 2022, 09:36:11 PM
>>>> Yes the moment GEMA become 50-50 play - and Raila pick Kalonzo - then MaDVD would look good - if he can bring Luhyas. Otherwise Ruto will suffer twice - from kikiyu-kalenjin rotation (his current biggest impediment)  and Uhuru playing spoiler.

There is a rumor that both DP and Raila are working on picking non-Okuyu deputies, Hey Pundit. Do you think that is a possibility? DP at the moment is like "no" because that would undercut him because he has the most support in Central. I think if Uhuru chips his support to below 50%, he may go with a Luhya if Raila picks Kalonzo!
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 21, 2022, 11:41:50 PM

I repeat umpteenth time with the current constituion . No one can win the Presidency without GEMA support. The Presidential candidate being a Geman or Non Geman.
>>>> Yes the moment GEMA become 50-50 play - and Raila pick Kalonzo - then MaDVD would look good - if he can bring Luhyas. Otherwise Ruto will suffer twice - from kikiyu-kalenjin rotation (his current biggest impediment)  and Uhuru playing spoiler.

There is a rumor that both DP and Raila are working on picking non-Okuyu deputies, Hey Pundit. Do you think that is a possibility? DP at the moment is like "no" because that would undercut him because he has the most support in Central. I think if Uhuru chips his support to below 50%, he may go with a Luhya if Raila picks Kalonzo!
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 21, 2022, 11:54:50 PM
What if scenarios.
GEMA play 50-50.
GEMA turn out low - like all indicators suggest.
GEMA became useless  as political force - just like Luhyas or Gusii normally are - for dividing their vote equally.
GEMA right now is maybe 25 percent joggernaut - if low turnout happens.
But if they were to split the vote equally to 12.5 to 12.5 - you cannot win with it -
it become 50:50 if Raila can miraclously gain 50 percent of GEM
So Ruto has to watch for Uhuru play and Kalonzo
If Uhuru decide to play spoiler like he did last year in Mululu by openly saying Kabila mbili sijui nini
And Mt kenya - half listen to him
Then Uhuru sacrifices DPORK in Mt kenya - for Kalonzo.
Then Ruto could lose 30 percent of Ukambani....to something back to 10-20 percent.

Of course nothing suggest Mt Kenya will bolt from UDA or Ruto in such numbers.
That is the Plan A.

But Ruto always had MaDVD's Luhya has his Plan B.

Now question would be - what would Mt Kenya do if Ruto decide to choose MADVD - and Raila decide to choose Kalonzo.

They wont have any serious candidate to fallback to.

Will they quit Ruto camp? Are they in Ruto camp for DPORK?

Would Luhya move from 65 percent in Ruto camp to say 90 percent if maDVD was DPORK?
Like its likely Kambas could if Kalonzo nicks DPOR?

If you ask me - GEMA are more reliable  - but Ruto has to watch for Uhuru rough and dirty games.

Or another what-if Ruto offers Kalonzo DPORK :)

Will GEMA go to Raila's Azimio - it will be technically dead.

Bottomline - GEMA have weaken themselves through disunity - 10 parties - 10 chiefs - no indians.


I repeat umpteenth time with the current constituion . No one can win the Presidency without GEMA support. The Presidential candidate being a Geman or Non Geman.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Nowayhaha on February 22, 2022, 04:01:51 AM
These so called scenarios can happen if only Raila does not run
GEMA was united by Raila in 2007.  As long as Raila is in the ballot they will always be united.
Another fact , Raila just like 2013 will win in Luhya land only that the margin will be smaller and this is what matters.
Out of all politicians in the recent past .Ruto seems to be the most strategic.Unlike you he knew that to win Presidency he needs to consolidate his 2017 coalition and then go hunting in his rival strongholds. For that he will come out victorious in Coast , improve really well in Western and Lower western and thus win hands down.
This other theories you are trying to advance are wet dreams.


What if scenarios.
GEMA play 50-50.
GEMA turn out low - like all indicators suggest.
GEMA became useless  as political force - just like Luhyas or Gusii normally are - for dividing their vote equally.
GEMA right now is maybe 25 percent joggernaut - if low turnout happens.
But if they were to split the vote equally to 12.5 to 12.5 - you cannot win with it -
it become 50:50 if Raila can miraclously gain 50 percent of GEM
So Ruto has to watch for Uhuru play and Kalonzo
If Uhuru decide to play spoiler like he did last year in Mululu by openly saying Kabila mbili sijui nini
And Mt kenya - half listen to him
Then Uhuru sacrifices DPORK in Mt kenya - for Kalonzo.
Then Ruto could lose 30 percent of Ukambani....to something back to 10-20 percent.

Of course nothing suggest Mt Kenya will bolt from UDA or Ruto in such numbers.
That is the Plan A.

But Ruto always had MaDVD's Luhya has his Plan B.

Now question would be - what would Mt Kenya do if Ruto decide to choose MADVD - and Raila decide to choose Kalonzo.

They wont have any serious candidate to fallback to.

Will they quit Ruto camp? Are they in Ruto camp for DPORK?

Would Luhya move from 65 percent in Ruto camp to say 90 percent if maDVD was DPORK?
Like its likely Kambas could if Kalonzo nicks DPOR?

If you ask me - GEMA are more reliable  - but Ruto has to watch for Uhuru rough and dirty games.

Or another what-if Ruto offers Kalonzo DPORK :)

Will GEMA go to Raila's Azimio - it will be technically dead.

Bottomline - GEMA have weaken themselves through disunity - 10 parties - 10 chiefs - no indians.


I repeat umpteenth time with the current constituion . No one can win the Presidency without GEMA support. The Presidential candidate being a Geman or Non Geman.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 22, 2022, 04:49:48 AM
The are probable scenarios. I think we have two months or three before presidential nomination. That will be sufficient time for Ruto to see if his GEMA stronghold will hold or not. There is no doubt that Raila has gained or will gain. You want to bury your head that he will score 2 percent like last time - while it's likely he will go as high as 20 percent if not more in some counties. I am sure Ruto will be polling Mt Kenya aggressively - and watching Western & Ukambani. This election will be decided by those 3 kabilas - GEMA, Luhya and Ukambani
These so called scenarios can happen if only Raila does not run
GEMA was united by Raila in 2007.  As long as Raila is in the ballot they will always be united.
Another fact , Raila just like 2013 will win in Luhya land only that the margin will be smaller and this is what matters.
Out of all politicians in the recent past .Ruto seems to be the most strategic.Unlike you he knew that to win Presidency he needs to consolidate his 2017 coalition and then go hunting in his rival strongholds. For that he will come out victorious in Coast , improve really well in Western and Lower western and thus win hands down.
This other theories you are trying to advance are wet dreams.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on February 22, 2022, 04:10:12 PM
Pundit,

Uhuru bado hajaongea.Mambo bado....

(1) He will remind kikuyu people of Molo clashes,
(2) Kiambaa 2007/8,
(3) The assasination theory,
(4) How ruto has been using boys (Ndindi/Ichungwa) to abuse their father (uhuru).He will curse them at Ihura stadium in Muranga.
(5) How Ruto stole public money and fought BBI which was mean't to help GEMA
(6) How he wanted o slap him in statehouse but uhuru gave him an uppercut,
(7) How he was blackmailing GOK projects.

You will hear the most stupid things in the coming days and weeks...Then DCI will summon ruto on assasination theory,then murathe will hire some jigger infest drunkards to protest against him outside DCI office at muthaiga,then message resonates.

expect lots of chaos moving ahead,

Martha koome will now know why she can't vote like sending money via M-pesa

Like i said, the matter will head to DCI and it surely did today....Anything that makes Ruto dirty.The PROPAGANDA continues in media and local radio stations like inooro.All is fair in war.



The guy is brave I have to grant him.  Bravery, especially the audacious variety tends to correlate well with stupidity.  Kenyan politics, especially at the top, is basically a mafia contest and you could get killed - over nothing really.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 22, 2022, 05:21:21 PM
Yeap - the top boys have layers of security - and here you're taking them with bare hands. There are lines you dont cross. This one is another Jacob Juma or a Miguna Miguna type.
The guy is brave I have to grant him.  Bravery, especially the audacious variety tends to correlate well with stupidity.  Kenyan politics, especially at the top, is basically a mafia contest and you could get killed - over nothing really.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Githunguri on February 22, 2022, 07:43:20 PM
Pundit,

Uhuru bado hajaongea.Mambo bado....

(1) He will remind kikuyu people of Molo clashes,
(2) Kiambaa 2007/8,
(3) The assasination theory,
(4) How ruto has been using boys (Ndindi/Ichungwa) to abuse their father (uhuru).He will curse them at Ihura stadium in Muranga.
(5) How Ruto stole public money and fought BBI which was mean't to help GEMA
(6) How he wanted o slap him in statehouse but uhuru gave him an uppercut,
(7) How he was blackmailing GOK projects.

You will hear the most stupid things in the coming days and weeks...Then DCI will summon ruto on assasination theory,then murathe will hire some jigger infest drunkards to protest against him outside DCI office at muthaiga,then message resonates.

expect lots of chaos moving ahead,

Martha koome will now know why she can't vote like sending money via M-pesa

Like i said, the matter will head to DCI and it surely did today....Anything that makes Ruto dirty.The PROPAGANDA continues in media and local radio stations like inooro.All is fair in war.



The guy is brave I have to grant him.  Bravery, especially the audacious variety tends to correlate well with stupidity.  Kenyan politics, especially at the top, is basically a mafia contest and you could get killed - over nothing really.

Livondo is a fool,He is indeed setting himself up.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: GeeMail on February 22, 2022, 08:07:43 PM
It's upto him - the best thing Uhuru and institution can do is to ensure very credible, very free, very fair election - if Ruto loses after such a process - he will bide his time - wait for Raila to finish his term. He is just 55yrs.

If not - I am afraid neither Ruto or Kalenjin have the stomach for such an injustice. Kalenjin dont take lightly to injustice that would make them lesser men like Luos have been made in kenya.

The Luos have endured a lot - but not Kalenjin. Not before they kill and plunder.

Why would Uhuru risk becoming an international pariah 5 months before his term ends? Uhuru will retire in peace.  His wife will move back to London and that will be it.  Kenyans don't like to see their ex presidents disrespected. This is not Liberia where people's ears will be cut off on live TV.

Raila will then spend the next 5 years harassing Ruto and taking him to court.  Ruto should retaliate by letting miguna miguna come back.

Why should Uhuru do for Ruto what they did not do together in 2013 and 2017? Free election foreign language to Ruto even now. He is bluffing all the way when he speak of free election because he never know one.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 22, 2022, 09:31:34 PM
Ruto rigged moi..he knows you need rigging margin and is working hard for that..if gov has to rig two million votes..it won't
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: audacityofhope on February 23, 2022, 06:40:27 AM
Yeap - the top boys have layers of security - and here you're taking them with bare hands. There are lines you dont cross. This one is another Jacob Juma or a Miguna Miguna type.
Of layers of security ... and  bare hands. You compare Stanley Livondo to Jacob Juma (JJ), so please tell us who killed JJ. And don't beat about the Bush.....!
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 23, 2022, 06:55:59 AM
Definitely -Msando and that Jacob guy - was a proffesional hit job. Someone like Ruto is an institution. He has many potential assasins (cops) willing to work for him for free even. Definitely one of his guys took Yebei down - for someone to be kidnapped in Turbo and be found dead in Tsavo - that is not an easy job. Uhuru killed more than 10 mungiki - including Njenga wife and the guys in their rav4 car - and of course the Luo and kingaga dude who were working for NGOS supporting Mungiki witnesses. Uhuru you can almost tell was assisted directly by gov going by how the killing were being done - right in the middle of Nairobi streets sometimes - cops definitely knew it was their colleaques doing their job.This Livondo guy is going to meet Ruto samburu man :) - internet rumours samburu man never misses-to accuse Ruto of trying to assisinate pork - hapo is crossing the line - like Yebei did by falsely accusing him of ICC manenos.

These top politicians dont get up there without lots of graves - because sometimes you're standing btw them and billions - and they have many security officers just willing to do anything for the boss. The boss doesnt need to be aware of the details. They have people who just get told sort out that problem. If you're the problem - then you arrange your funeral - because those trained assasins will track you and kill your proffesionally - and layers of bosses - will handle the details.

In short take these people if at least you have some basic security - at least two bodyguards like an MP - or even a gun - otherwise if you're going to going mano to mano - and you're walking the streets unarmed - you'll get shot or kidnapped - tortured - and killed.

Of layers of security ... and  bare hands. You compare Stanley Livondo to Jacob Juma (JJ), so please tell us who killed JJ. And don't beat about the Bush.....!
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Kadudu on February 23, 2022, 10:50:38 AM
In your long list you left out Sergeant Kimei. :o

Definitely -Msando and that Jacob guy - was a proffesional hit job. Someone like Ruto is an institution. He has many potential assasins (cops) willing to work for him for free even. Definitely one of his guys took Yebei down - for someone to be kidnapped in Turbo and be found dead in Tsavo - that is not an easy job. Uhuru killed more than 10 mungiki - including Njenga wife and the guys in their rav4 car - and of course the Luo and kingaga dude who were working for NGOS supporting Mungiki witnesses. Uhuru you can almost tell was assisted directly by gov going by how the killing were being done - right in the middle of Nairobi streets sometimes - cops definitely knew it was their colleaques doing their job.This Livondo guy is going to meet Ruto samburu man :) - internet rumours samburu man never misses-to accuse Ruto of trying to assisinate pork - hapo is crossing the line - like Yebei did by falsely accusing him of ICC manenos.

These top politicians dont get up there without lots of graves - because sometimes you're standing btw them and billions - and they have many security officers just willing to do anything for the boss. The boss doesnt need to be aware of the details. They have people who just get told sort out that problem. If you're the problem - then you arrange your funeral - because those trained assasins will track you and kill your proffesionally - and layers of bosses - will handle the details.

In short take these people if at least you have some basic security - at least two bodyguards like an MP - or even a gun - otherwise if you're going to going mano to mano - and you're walking the streets unarmed - you'll get shot or kidnapped - tortured - and killed.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: RV Pundit on February 23, 2022, 11:16:13 AM
That too look professional suicide.
In your long list you left out Sergeant Kimei. :o
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: Kadudu on February 23, 2022, 11:40:47 AM
In other words, colllateral damage.

That too look professional suicide.
Title: Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
Post by: gout on February 23, 2022, 11:58:07 AM
Jacob Juma was onto Eurobond. Whose heist was it??