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Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2022, 06:57:13 PM »
I have given you scenarios that can lead to civil war
1) Attempt or kill Ruto
2) Rig Ruto and compromise supreme court to deliver unfair verdict.
Those are two scenarios.
I dont see how Uhuru dirty politics will bring Ruto to engage in similar dirty politics.
It's in Ruto interest to play clean.

Pundit am good at military strategy far than you,you are a kid to me when it comes to war,take it from me kalenjim don't have capacity to cause civil war in Kenya.
Am on record saying kenya security forces kdf included are the weakest. Putting that into consideration and saying they will disentigrate too but even with that your scenario even doesn't come into play,you are hoping on marching down the highway from Eldoret to Nairobi (addis ababa)Tigray style.
Pundit be easy wacha blood pressure bure. Sisi GEMA ndio tutaweka Ruto kama rais kalenjins nyinyi ni kusindikiza, after that we remote control mzito Ruto after Linturi becomes his pimp.
Who will cause civil war apart from Kalenjins?

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Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2022, 06:59:41 PM »
Study this map. Kalenjin are smark right at the center of real kenya. A civil war in Kalenjin land or secession basically cuts kenya into two. You can stay with cows and camels in Isiolo :) - but Kenya gov will collapse - uganda will feel pain - south sudan - drc congo.

Again remember voting Ruto is no gurantee that immigrant wont be evicted.
Ask Gusii who voted largely for ODM - but a few votes went to PNU - and Kalenjin said they dropped the ball - and deserved a beating. It didnt help that Nyachae had attempted to kill Ruto with his chinkororo warriors shooting him - in yet another type of reckless behaviour that endanger many innocent people. So these kind of things - people are noting - and will use it as excuse to plunder.

GEMA people in RV - even if they vote 90 percent - if their kin and kith vote less than in Central - than what Kalenjin did in 2013/2017 - Kalenjin will still see that as betrayal - and will still beat them - if they lose. Uhuru is leading the way in playing dirty.


Who will cause civil war apart from Kalenjins?

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Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2022, 08:13:43 PM »
The presidential elections for 2022 is already decided, RAO is the 5th.

That might well be true or false - just provide more evidence.
But we know for sure his competitor Raila did overthrow a legitimate gov
And wanted to bomb Moi and his cabinet.
And recently swore himself as president.
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Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2022, 09:12:18 PM »
Pundito and his violence threats, everybody and their goat knows that Ruto can only threaten PEV, but implementing it will be suicide for him politically. Since everybody knows this, this threats are D.o.A

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Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2022, 09:26:23 PM »
Pundito and his violence threats, everybody and their goat knows that Ruto can only threaten PEV, but implementing it will be suicide for him politically. Since everybody knows this, this threats are D.o.A
so you see no problem when propaganda extend to attempting to commit treason like kill president or swear one...if Ruto was to swear himself the Hustle president Kenya kutakwisha.We need to raise alerts when we cross the red lines.There is politics and then there is war. War happen when politics failed.As Uhuru loses the politics he is going to try to war but let him be aware that he is taking your country down.I will help you demonstrate what dangers lurks by playing scenarios you rather not think

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Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2022, 09:28:06 PM »
The presidential elections for 2022 is already decided, RAO is the 5th.

That might well be true or false - just provide more evidence.
But we know for sure his competitor Raila did overthrow a legitimate gov
And wanted to bomb Moi and his cabinet.
And recently swore himself as president.
last you told me in 2010 that Obama n Kibaki were done making raila pork..I am hoping he is retiring having completed 10yrs as imaginary pork.Kichwa don't set yourself for more depression...just study my moas..Ruto losing 2022 will take big screw up

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Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2022, 07:32:24 AM »
Ruto is now crying foul that we should avoid divisive statements..Na bado,Thika was just a taste of the medicine.gloves are off.

Ruto is starting at a disadvantage.He needs Kikuyu and luhya to attain 50+1 constitutional threshold.That means he cannot or even wish to have civil war because these communities who vote against him.Unlike Moi,He does not have control of police intelligence and military and phone networks to bully his opponents.

That means even if Azimio rigs this election and influences Supreme court for favourable judgement.No war will take place.

ANYBODY WHO THINKS OR IMAGINES RUTO WILL BECOME PRESIDENT IN 2022 IS A MAD MAN.

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Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2022, 07:50:15 AM »
Study this map. Kalenjin are smark right at the center of real kenya. A civil war in Kalenjin land or secession basically cuts kenya into two. You can stay with cows and camels in Isiolo :) - but Kenya gov will collapse - uganda will feel pain - south sudan - drc congo.

Again remember voting Ruto is no gurantee that immigrant wont be evicted.
Ask Gusii who voted largely for ODM - but a few votes went to PNU - and Kalenjin said they dropped the ball - and deserved a beating. It didnt help that Nyachae had attempted to kill Ruto with his chinkororo warriors shooting him - in yet another type of reckless behaviour that endanger many innocent people. So these kind of things - people are noting - and will use it as excuse to plunder.

GEMA people in RV - even if they vote 90 percent - if their kin and kith vote less than in Central - than what Kalenjin did in 2013/2017 - Kalenjin will still see that as betrayal - and will still beat them - if they lose. Uhuru is leading the way in playing dirty.


Who will cause civil war apart from Kalenjins?

We have reached a point of no return,

I repeat,Ruto can't attempt civil war because that would put him below 50% which Kikuyu and luhya give him.

Unlike in Moi days,Show me the percentage of kalenjins in the police and kdf.Table real data hear.Even if they revolted,they wouldn't beat other tribes.

In the likely scenario Kenya goes to civil war,Kenya will be divided on one side Kikuyu kamba,then coast republic,luhya luhya republic,republic of Somali land and then you will have kalenjin maasai pokot samburu republic that would bring war between maasai andkalenjins and Ruto would loose control pokot and turkana are just armed bandits who would overun him in days.

Be careful what you wish for,we have Ruto by the balls,ATALIJUA JIJI.Nairobi sio sugoi.

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Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2022, 07:52:38 AM »
Why would Kalenjin start war before all election processes have been exhausted. Not unless Ruto is killed now. They are going to zipped it up. But assume that Ruto has been rigged out, present evidence that shows clearly he has been rigged out and the supreme court dismiss them - at that point I tell Uhuru will hand to Raila in some bunker - with millions in IDP camps and many deaths.

Kalenjin dont care about alliance when it come to war - that is why in 1992 they fought against almost all tribes. They dont care about police or army - give kalenjin 10 guns - and bring the police with 100 guns - the police will run. Actually police run with arrows - It's KDF that will run.

They have the numbers (millions of warriors that can be activated in few hours all over rift valley - that KDF/Kenya Police cannot raise those numbers), they have the rudimentary training and they have a cause. 

We have reached a point of no return,

I repeat,Ruto can't attempt civil war because that would put him below 50% which Kikuyu and luhya give him.

Unlike in Moi days,Show me the percentage of kalenjins in the police and kdf.Table real data hear.Even if they revolted,they wouldn't beat other tribes.

In the likely scenario Kenya goes to civil war,Kenya will be divided on one side Kikuyu kamba,then coast republic,luhya luhya republic,republic of Somali land and then you will have kalenjin maasai pokot samburu republic that would bring war between maasai andkalenjins and Ruto would loose control pokot and turkana are just armed bandits who would overun him in days.

Be careful what you wish for,we have Ruto by the balls,ATALIJUA JIJI.Nairobi sio sugoi.


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Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2022, 08:00:19 AM »
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Otherwise the political risk of meltdown keep increasing - and the prospect of civil war remain high.

Why would Uhuru risk becoming an international pariah 5 months before his term ends? Uhuru will retire in peace.  His wife will move back to London and that will be it.  Kenyans don't like to see their ex presidents disrespected. This is not Liberia where people's ears will be cut off on live TV.

Raila will then spend the next 5 years harassing Ruto and taking him to court.  Ruto should retaliate by letting miguna miguna come back.

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Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2022, 08:02:07 AM »
Rvp

Control your emotions.Be a man.

Even if it means swearing Raila in statehouse banker,Who cares? Even kibaki was sworn at night.

This time it's ballin Bai without lube ballin Bai miguna version....If you dare protest anywhere near Nairobi,kibra goons will be on your case.

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Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2022, 08:03:12 AM »
It's upto him - the best thing Uhuru and institution can do is to ensure very credible, very free, very fair election - if Ruto loses after such a process - he will bide his time - wait for Raila to finish his term. He is just 55yrs.

If not - I am afraid neither Ruto or Kalenjin have the stomach for such an injustice. Kalenjin dont take lightly to injustice that would make them lesser men like Luos have been made in kenya.

The Luos have endured a lot - but not Kalenjin. Not before they kill and plunder.

Why would Uhuru risk becoming an international pariah 5 months before his term ends? Uhuru will retire in peace.  His wife will move back to London and that will be it.  Kenyans don't like to see their ex presidents disrespected. This is not Liberia where people's ears will be cut off on live TV.

Raila will then spend the next 5 years harassing Ruto and taking him to court.  Ruto should retaliate by letting miguna miguna come back.

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Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2022, 08:05:13 AM »
Why would Kalenjin start war before all election processes have been exhausted. Not unless Ruto is killed now. They are going to zipped it up. But assume that Ruto has been rigged out, present evidence that shows clearly he has been rigged out and the supreme court dismiss them - at that point I tell Uhuru will hand to Raila in some bunker - with millions in IDP camps and many deaths.

Kalenjin dont care about alliance when it come to war - that is why in 1992 they fought against almost all tribes. They dont care about police or army - give kalenjin 10 guns - and bring the police with 100 guns - the police will run. Actually police run with arrows - It's KDF that will run.

They have the numbers (millions of warriors that can be activated in few hours all over rift valley - that KDF/Kenya Police cannot raise those numbers), they have the rudimentary training and they have a cause. 

We have reached a point of no return,

I repeat,Ruto can't attempt civil war because that would put him below 50% which Kikuyu and luhya give him.

Unlike in Moi days,Show me the percentage of kalenjins in the police and kdf.Table real data hear.Even if they revolted,they wouldn't beat other tribes.

In the likely scenario Kenya goes to civil war,Kenya will be divided on one side Kikuyu kamba,then coast republic,luhya luhya republic,republic of Somali land and then you will have kalenjin maasai pokot samburu republic that would bring war between maasai andkalenjins and Ruto would loose control pokot and turkana are just armed bandits who would overun him in days.

Be careful what you wish for,we have Ruto by the balls,ATALIJUA JIJI.Nairobi sio sugoi.


Kalenjins controlled Kenya security department from 1983-2007,Now it's not the case.

Unlike in Moi days when you could become president with 36%,Now you need 50%>

Count your losses and move on.

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Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2022, 08:05:22 AM »
I am playing scenarios that can help you and loved ones.
War will start if Ruto is rigged - just immediately a compromised supreme court okays such a rigged process.
If the final verdict is delivered at 4pm - by 6pm - the entire rift valley will be a war zone - and following morning the world will wake up to a huge shock of the destruction it would have done in 12 hours.
By then Kalenjin will not care about elections or trying to appease or smile at people.
They know peaceful demos is just being fodder for kenya police guns - they know even calling for repeat election is waste of time.
They will go for war - first to reclaim land - and secondly to force coalition gov - with majimbo at it core - or self-governance of each tribe.
Uhuru may decide to hand over to military at that point
Otherwise by then international community will be calling Ruto and Kalenjin to stop genocide.
In my estimation - I see about 3 million IDPS - the entire rift valley and bordering communities in huge fire & destruction.
Rvp

Control your emotions.Be a man.

Even if it means swearing Raila in statehouse banker,Who cares? Even kibaki was sworn at night.

This time it's ballin Bai without lube ballin Bai miguna version....If you dare protest anywhere near Nairobi,kibra goons will be on your case.

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Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2022, 08:22:52 AM »
Uhuru will campaign and hope Raila wins fairly. I do not think he will dare rig because he knows the legacy he will leave behind. If Ruto loses fairly, he will congratulate the winner and wait for the 2027 duel again. If he wins outright and somehow the election is bungled like 2007, DP will be spending many days, weeks, and months convincing folks to stop fighting. Folks tend to erupt organically when the loser fraudulently is announced the winner!
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Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2022, 08:25:06 AM »
I dont think Ruto will be in Kenya if violence starts. He knows what destruction the Kalenjin are capable of executing in few hours . He will run to exile for an alibi against ICC and for his personal security. Uhuru will be looking for him to stop the kalenjin. All he need to do is not talk. They will be looking for Ruto to calm down the warriors.

The biggest strength kalenjin have is ability to rise almost all at once and fight - the ability to raise millions of fighters in few minutes rudimentary trained in military warfare - in large area - will mean Kenya Police is useless - and will be busy with IDP camps.

At that point - it's to bring KDF - and then things could go very wrong for kenya - for a very long time.

Uhuru will campaign and hope Raila wins fairly. I do not think he will dare rig because he knows the legacy he will leave behind. If Ruto loses fairly, he will congratulate the winner and wait for the 2027 duel again. If he wins outright and somehow the election is bungled like 2007, DP will be spending many days, weeks, and months convincing folks to stop fighting. Folks tend to erupt organically when the loser fraudulently is announced the winner!

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Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2022, 09:26:21 AM »
I dont think Ruto will be in Kenya if violence starts. He knows what destruction the Kalenjin are capable of executing in few hours . He will run to exile for an alibi against ICC and for his personal security. Uhuru will be looking for him to stop the kalenjin. All he need to do is not talk. They will be looking for Ruto to calm down the warriors.

The biggest strength kalenjin have is ability to rise almost all at once and fight - the ability to raise millions of fighters in few minutes rudimentary trained in military warfare - in large area - will mean Kenya Police is useless - and will be busy with IDP camps.

At that point - it's to bring KDF - and then things could go very wrong for kenya - for a very long time.

Uhuru will campaign and hope Raila wins fairly. I do not think he will dare rig because he knows the legacy he will leave behind. If Ruto loses fairly, he will congratulate the winner and wait for the 2027 duel again. If he wins outright and somehow the election is bungled like 2007, DP will be spending many days, weeks, and months convincing folks to stop fighting. Folks tend to erupt organically when the loser fraudulently is announced the winner!
I know exactly what you mean. I wish we never experience or see tension ever in Kenya. I am a Uasin Gishu native, and I know how folks can quickly assemble when "Kakobook" is uttered. Non-Kalenjins would start trembling when Jacobo (Kakobook actually) war cry starts. In my village, we had more luhyas than Nandis in 1990, and when multipartyism started, tension started almost immediately. Kenyan villages were mixed and in harmony up until 1990. In my village, the Nandi folks were MOI damu, and Luhyas were proudly FORD! One night the sleepy, quiet village erupted, and houses from both sides started going up in flames out of nowhere. The next day or so, a contingent of Nandi warriors from remote villages came in lorries and tractors. Within weeks of combat, popularly known as land clashes, the whole village was 100% Kalenjin because Luhyas had been driven past Turbo to Lumukanda sides in present day Kakamega County. Within months, Kalenjins, as well in Kakamega and Luhya areas, were driven to Uasin Gishu showing no one wins when folks fight. It is only the uchumi and poverty that will follow.
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Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2022, 10:08:48 AM »
Yes it will be disaster and there will be no winners.
Yes Kakobook is bad news. I didnt know about Kalenjin ability to rise and defend themselves in that scale until I witnessesed in 1992.
Previously I used to know kalenjin like everyone whenever there is small cry in the village - people would rush to scenes - mostly armed.
But Kakobook is bad news - I still remember that day in 1992 -  Kabobook! O-wen Molo! - "there is war! Attack molo" - it was errie women cry
That move quickly ridge to ridge.
Our primary school was half boarding half day
Immediately the bell was rung - it was mid-day - we were told to go home - and use the left or right path - cant remember depending on the gender.
We took like an hour to get our stuff out - by time we are getting out of the gate - thousands of men - dressed wierldy - never seen kipisigis dressed in shukas before - armed with all sort of crude weapons were assembling in schools.
As we walked to nearest town to get transport home - more and more were coming.
We reach home eventually - to find everyone left - to my grandfather house in the next ridge - there were only one worker - who was hidding behind the house. I dont know where my father was....but we came back the following day when it was established the war was happening in Nakuru district -
I dont know how the news broke - but in some areas - they were saying kikuyu raiders had emerged from the forest :) - anyway for the next three days - thousands of people passed our farm to Nakuru - we live 2 kms from Mau forest - many coming from transmara that 200kms  - sweeping through kikiyus and gusii - in the next days - burning/killing/stealing
Cows and all sort of livestock would follow - to be sold. Somehow Kalenjin believe cows from raid - are huge blessing - than cow you rear - so they demand for them was high. Kalenjin are savage thieves.
And then it ended as quickly as it started...though many never came back from forest - deciding to clear mau forest for settlement - or steal kikuyu cows - in Nakuru - those transmara primitives are something else - brown teeth with cuts all over their body .
Many eventually became the squattors and mau ogiek - Moi had to settle in late 90s.

....Kibaki swearing at nigh...no sooner had CJ done that  swearing - my friend from Lessos calls me - tell me at least a couple thousand nandis warriors are matching to Burnt forest....that was early night - and tomorrow moring- they had swept clean except for few areas like Kiambaa.

-- That is why it's in kenya interest to make sure Kakobook is never sounded - because they will no time to respond or plan to respond - and the police had better prepared for night battles

I know exactly what you mean. I wish we never experience or see tension ever in Kenya. I am a Uasin Gishu native, and I know how folks can quickly assemble when "Kakobook" is uttered. Non-Kalenjins would start trembling when Jacobo (Kakobook actually) war cry starts. In my village, we had more luhyas than Nandis in 1990, and when multipartyism started, tension started almost immediately. Kenyan villages were mixed and in harmony up until 1990. In my village, the Nandi folks were MOI damu, and Luhyas were proudly FORD! One night the sleepy, quiet village erupted, and houses from both sides started going up in flames out of nowhere. The next day or so, a contingent of Nandi warriors from remote villages came in lorries and tractors. Within weeks of combat, popularly known as land clashes, the whole village was 100% Kalenjin because Luhyas had been driven past Turbo to Lumukanda sides in present day Kakamega County. Within months, Kalenjins, as well in Kakamega and Luhya areas, were driven to Uasin Gishu showing no one wins when folks fight. It is only the uchumi and poverty that will follow.

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Re: Ruto wanted to kill Uhuru-Stanley Livondo.
« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2022, 10:56:41 AM »
At least you now agree there can't be winners but most suffering will be in Kalenjin RV loss of property and deaths,we from other areas will be watching on TV just like in the past. Kabobook :D

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« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2022, 11:01:42 AM »
When did I not agree. I have always said I will be biggest victim because I own properties in Kikuyu and Kambaland. And I cannot take my wife to RV - those savages when they run out of victims - can start going for anyone. I am going to be in Uganda depending on how things pan out - if I see a scenario of war - you'll not find me in kenya. The retaliatory attacks will catch many on the wrong sides because unfortunately most people do not think through issues - they just assume everything will be fine or have no option. Others will be thinking - it cannot happen...they cannot dare...ICC and many make-belief nonsense - when you're dealing with Africa Savages!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is not an election to joke about. As we approach d-day - with Uhury & deep state digging in - Ruto will dig in - you better be safe. Dont be around Kericho Tea Hotel unless you have to. You will run to the police station to find it's full of women and children - who are dying in that police station - urudishe you get sodomized and killed. This is what happened to many men in 2007 - we took our farm workers only to find police station is full to the brim - a kid had died there from suffocation - men not allowed to shelter in police station - we had to live with our workers in same house for two weeks - hidding them until it was safe and the road unblocked.

I can only be found nabbing if Ruto was to drop dead and kalenjin erupted - but within those two hours - before news  reaches everywhere - I will be in JKIA flying out of the country

At least you now agree there can't be winners but most suffering will be in Kalenjin RV loss of property and deaths,we from other areas will be watching on TV just like in the past. Kabobook :D