ODM is in denial that Ruto's eating his lunch live - Mijikenda (Kilifi & Kwale) already defected. Raila's hope is to craft a huge anti-Ruto alliance of disgruntled GEMA, Luhya and Luo - which is increasingly a pipedream. His own chances are hopeless and he must sweat to be a mere kingmaker. At this rate he may settle for Kalonzo and Madvd campaign manager :D
I think he is smart enough to know Kalonzo or MaDVD won't win. His plan B maybe is to back a GEMA candidate - but there is none - Uhuru doesn't want any - so he either backs Uhuru to extend his rule (that is going to be very messy & Uhuru is not in the business of making a mess) or well he just need to swallow his pride & back Ruto -- Ruto may throw him a bone or two. Uhuru basically gave him a hoof! And beside he'll be re-paying Ruto debt of 2008!
Anything else is guaranteed failure. Anyway once the coast is captured...Gusii will be the next battle...Gusii are in wilderness now...they like coastarians now realize they've made bad bet on Raila for far too long..and are read to deal.
Anyway I think guy to watch now is Uhuru...my bet is he'll look for a very weaken lackey in GEMA to be Ruto deputy but will want to continue having power & money in Ruto gok...so he'll become Jubilee Party Leader.ODM is in denial that Ruto's eating his lunch live - Mijikenda (Kilifi & Kwale) already defected. Raila's hope is to craft a huge anti-Ruto alliance of disgruntled GEMA, Luhya and Luo - which is increasingly a pipedream. His own chances are hopeless and he must sweat to be a mere kingmaker. At this rate he may settle for Kalonzo and Madvd campaign manager :D
kichwa..it more than money..it patronage, jobs for friends n relatives, projects like roads or etcs,contracts,tenders, its about reliable n dependable n reachable ally in gov, its about future prospects..Ruto represent all that.Raila is a broke liar who cant even help miguna pass thro immigration despite going there personally...i mean uhuru went mteja on the guy. while Ruto rans gov now..mr fix it of uhuru..and has clear path to 2022..who do you think people will bet on..Raila the broke liar who killed nasa...or the power dealer now n forever amen.One phone call from Ruto...and you are sorted.
kichwa..it more than money..it patronage, jobs for friends n relatives, projects like roads or etcs,contracts,tenders, its about reliable n dependable n reachable ally in gov, its about future prospects..Ruto represent all that.Raila is a broke liar who cant even help miguna pass thro immigration despite going there personally...i mean uhuru went mteja on the guy. while Ruto rans gov now..mr fix it of uhuru..and has clear path to 2022..who do you think people will bet on..Raila the broke liar who killed nasa...or the power dealer now n forever amen.One phone call from Ruto...and you are sorted.
The rest... Raila is welcome to vehemently oppose Ruto. The young man is his worst nightmare. However Raila has been overpowered. Just like Kibaki could not contain Raila with the Moi-era state machinery - provincial admin, state appointments, patronage, money, etc - Ruto beat Raila to the punch 2008-13. In the last 5 years Ruto cemented this by routing ODM in Northern Kenya and swing zones... shrinking it to 60MPs from the 2007 peak of 100+ MPs - the equivalent of 160 now which is Jubilee. The defections of ODMers in Coast as we speak, and Nanok - all supporting Ruto 8)
Omollo says defectors don't carry votes. However this is not true because Jubilee got many new MPs in Bukusu, Ukambani - kina Munyaka Machakos Town MP - and Northern. Plus Mvurya the biggest catch of them all. These were "tumbocrats" according to Omollo.
Sorry I don't see anything significant going against Ruto. 2022 is far but Ruto is the new fulcrum in Kenya politics after Raila tipped over. I suspect Omollo and Kichwa are not in real denial and are just playing politics.
The rest... Raila is welcome to vehemently oppose Ruto. The young man is his worst nightmare. However Raila has been overpowered. Just like Kibaki could not contain Raila with the Moi-era state machinery - provincial admin, state appointments, patronage, money, etc - Ruto beat Raila to the punch 2008-13. In the last 5 years Ruto cemented this by routing ODM in Northern Kenya and swing zones... shrinking it to 60MPs from the 2007 peak of 100+ MPs - the equivalent of 160 now which is Jubilee. The defections of ODMers in Coast as we speak, and Nanok - all supporting Ruto 8)
Omollo says defectors don't carry votes. However this is not true because Jubilee got many new MPs in Bukusu, Ukambani - kina Munyaka Machakos Town MP - and Northern. Plus Mvurya the biggest catch of them all. These were "tumbocrats" according to Omollo.
Sorry I don't see anything significant going against Ruto. 2022 is far but Ruto is the new fulcrum in Kenya politics after Raila tipped over. I suspect Omollo and Kichwa are not in real denial and are just playing politics.
Raila is finished must feel good on the tongue for some of us. It’s not so much a statement of fact than a statement of opposition to him. I long made peace with the fact that he will continue to be a factor and finished until he drops.
MOAS: Omollo you ran your own version here that painted a blique picture of Raila and NASA's fate. Even so, I suggested we declare the MOAS a mystery since, unlike Newtonian gravity that is universally accepted, half of Nipate is vehement against them. That said, and once the NASA rigging evidence fell short of our expectation - and we were boxed into the server by apologists - we have to make up our own minds.
There is undisputed evidence that Jubilee walloped NASA. With 40 senators vs 26 - no pending cases - an equal share of all elections - we know Uhuru Kenyatta beat Raila Odinga.
Just like 2013, it's smart politics for a serial contender not to concede defeat. I too consider this a good move. For one I consider the parliamentary system more equitable and the minorities' only hope in tribal Kenya. Sadly it won't fly only a few years into the new system. Hopefully we can try it in 2040.
He is been finished - since 2013 - the decay continue. Kalonzo is also another kwisha.Raila is finished must feel good on the tongue for some of us. It’s not so much a statement of fact than a statement of opposition to him. I long made peace with the fact that he will continue to be a factor and finished until he drops.
He is been finished - since 2013 - the decay continue. Kalonzo is also another kwisha.Raila is finished must feel good on the tongue for some of us. It’s not so much a statement of fact than a statement of opposition to him. I long made peace with the fact that he will continue to be a factor and finished until he drops.
I agree Raila Kwisha is a sort of emblem - almost an anthem - of his opponents. The man has the nine lives of a cat!
For Kalonzo on the other hand I think it's a fact. Can't seem to excite anyone outside of the shrinking Mkamba base.He is been finished - since 2013 - the decay continue. Kalonzo is also another kwisha.Raila is finished must feel good on the tongue for some of us. It’s not so much a statement of fact than a statement of opposition to him. I long made peace with the fact that he will continue to be a factor and finished until he drops.
Ruto should be seeking Raila the way a potential victim of two demons (in agreement) seek God.I agree Raila Kwisha is a sort of emblem - almost an anthem - of his opponents. The man has the nine lives of a cat!
For Kalonzo on the other hand I think it's a fact. Can't seem to excite anyone outside of the shrinking Mkamba base.He is been finished - since 2013 - the decay continue. Kalonzo is also another kwisha.Raila is finished must feel good on the tongue for some of us. It’s not so much a statement of fact than a statement of opposition to him. I long made peace with the fact that he will continue to be a factor and finished until he drops.
Ruto should be seeking Raila the way a potential victim of two demons (in agreement) seek God.I agree Raila Kwisha is a sort of emblem - almost an anthem - of his opponents. The man has the nine lives of a cat!
For Kalonzo on the other hand I think it's a fact. Can't seem to excite anyone outside of the shrinking Mkamba base.He is been finished - since 2013 - the decay continue. Kalonzo is also another kwisha.Raila is finished must feel good on the tongue for some of us. It’s not so much a statement of fact than a statement of opposition to him. I long made peace with the fact that he will continue to be a factor and finished until he drops.
Omollo-Explain to me how exactly Raila would help Ruto? MKM do not need Raila to finish Ruto and I do not think it is in Raila's political interest to stand between Ruto and MKM. My advise to Raila would be to do what most reasonable people do during a gang fight-stay the hell away. After things have settled down, the winner will definitely need Raila to give them some sense of cover or legitimacy and that is when Raila can make his own demands for himself and for the people of Kenya. I would be surprised if RV mafia wins this fight but it does not really matter to me who wins because both of them are bad for this country.
That strategy has failed since 2009 - I mean you didn't expect Kikuyu & Kalenjin to re-unit after PEV - and when oil & water did eventually mixed - you "bet" that like Raila - Ruto would be betrayed in 3 months - now we are onto the 6yr of Jubilee - and here again you're betting on gema/rv FALLOUT. You're praying for some mutually assured destruction so that Raila can rise from the death & finally become PORK.
Well once you wake up from that dream...you'll come realization that nothing just happen. Ruto is busy working very hard and investing...while you're praying for a fall out. You'll note Ruto at this point cannot be stopped even by GEMA upstart...unless they were to back Raila :) - Ruto now controls the entire Rift Valley (including gema there in), Coast, NEP, Upper Eastern, part of Western, and soon larger swatches of Nyanza - and GEMA vote is now top-ups.Omollo-Explain to me how exactly Raila would help Ruto? MKM do not need Raila to finish Ruto and I do not think it is in Raila's political interest to stand between Ruto and MKM. My advise to Raila would be to do what most reasonable people do during a gang fight-stay the hell away. After things have settled down, the winner will definitely need Raila to give them some sense of cover or legitimacy and that is when Raila can make his own demands for himself and for the people of Kenya. I would be surprised if RV mafia wins this fight but it does not really matter to me who wins because both of them are bad for this country.
Pundit. The prisoner's dilemma theory is very reliable in predicting human behavior in a situation such as this and that is why some of us are very confident that MKM have no choice but to betray Ruto. However, In the very unlikely event that they fail to do so, then Ruto will definitely do it to them. Either way is fine with us. If Ouru is stupid, dumb and mokimo head enough to support a Ruto presidency, then I do not think Ruto will be stupid enough not to immediately consolidate his power and get rid of the kikuyus now in charge of the instruments power and replace them with Kalenjins or kikuyus that are loyal to him. When that happens, the MKM which now enjoys tremendous clout will loose power. Do you really think they are that stupid. If they are then they deserve to loose everything.
Prisoner's dilemma
The prisoner's dilemma is a standard example of a game analyzed in game theory that shows why two completely "rational" individuals might not cooperate, even if it appears that it is in their best interests to do so. It was originally framed by Merrill Flood and Melvin Dresher working at RAND in 1950.
Prisoner's dilemma - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_dilemma
Corporal: A good soldier has his heart and soul in it. When he receives an order, he gets a hard on, and when he drives his lance into the enemy’s guts, he comes. ( he shouts for joy) He lets himself be torn to bits for his superior officer, and when he lies dying he takes note that his corporal is nodding approval and that is reward enough, it’s his dearest wish
Omollo-Explain to me how exactly Raila would help Ruto? MKM do not need Raila to finish Ruto and I do not think it is in Raila's political interest to stand between Ruto and MKM. My advise to Raila would be to do what most reasonable people do during a gang fight-stay the hell away. After things have settled down, the winner will definitely need Raila to give them some sense of cover or legitimacy and that is when Raila can make his own demands for himself and for the people of Kenya. I would be surprised if RV mafia wins this fight but it does not really matter to me who wins because both of them are bad for this country.
I think you've not understood the import of 2010 constitution that requires one basically to win with 50% plus one. Coalition are permanent feature of our politics. If it was NARC or Moi era - yes one could afford to easily dismiss an MOU - and rule with a minority. Kenya 50+1 mean Kikuyus and kalenjin plus other tribes require each one. You can get out of Jubilee...only to realize you'll need a coalition. No kenyan tribe or it's grouping can even get to 25-30%. So look at GEMA option - they either continue with 50-50 with Ruto team - or they risk it all - try to gobble another coalition in the last minute with some unknown unpopular candidate or they somehow try to extend Uhuru lead. I think sane option is to continue 50-50 - they get DPORK - and they get 50-50 deal - and after 10yrs (or less if something happen to Ruto) - their DPORK get a shot at PORK. Raila of course can give them better option ---which I think is what he is trying - either back Uhuru to continue his term thro a constitutional change that make nonsense of term limit or back some upstart gema candidate - all these - just to spite Ruto.
If I was Raila - I'd basically make a deal with UhuRuto - and retire as AU envoy. His handshake with Uhuru is useless until he extend the same to Ruto. Without shaking hands with Ruto - Ruto will continue to fight him!Pundit. The prisoner's dilemma theory is very reliable in predicting human behavior in a situation such as this and that is why some of us are very confident that MKM have no choice but to betray Ruto. However, In the very unlikely event that they fail to do so, then Ruto will definitely do it to them. Either way is fine with us. If Ouru is stupid, dumb and mokimo head enough to support a Ruto presidency, then I do not think Ruto will be stupid enough not to immediately consolidate his power and get rid of the kikuyus now in charge of the instruments power and replace them with Kalenjins or kikuyus that are loyal to him. When that happens, the MKM which now enjoys tremendous clout will loose power. Do you really think they are that stupid. If they are then they deserve to loose everything.
Prisoner's dilemma
The prisoner's dilemma is a standard example of a game analyzed in game theory that shows why two completely "rational" individuals might not cooperate, even if it appears that it is in their best interests to do so. It was originally framed by Merrill Flood and Melvin Dresher working at RAND in 1950.
Prisoner's dilemma - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_dilemma
Pundit Puleeez. Spare me the constitutional explanation of how Ruto is going to become president. Kenya is not a democracy. If Kenya were a democracy, Raila would have been been a president in 2007 where he clearly won. If Kenya were a democracy, there would have been a run-off in 2013 because ouru did not win 50 plus one. If Kenya were a democracy, the server would have been opened in 2017. The reason why Ruto will not be president in 2022 has nothing to do with the votes and the constitution and that is why Ouru is making jokes of his randarandaring as if somehow that is how someone becomes president of Kenya. The last time and probably the only time anybody became the president of Kenya by winning votes was in 2002. Right now I am sure that even if Ouru were to die in office, and it is clear that Ruto should take over, MKM will try to find away to deny Ruto the presidency. That's how bad things are. Forget about the ballot path.
It's a sad state of affairs. On the one hand, it easily lets you know who is out of luck. On the other, it wastes people's time and energy on sham elections. Perhaps Pundit would take solace in the early arrival his hoped for benevolent dictatorship :grin: .
If kamwana dies and the kitchen cabinet is opposed to the hustler, they'll probably simply not announce the news until it's convenient. It's been done before in Naija.
Uhuru did not win last elections,the outcome was already pre determined and thats why live transmission of results broke down for three hours.The reason why the gap between Uhuru and Raila remained constant by 11% was by design and not default.results were streaming in randomly and there is no way the gap could have remained constant at 11%.
Actually if you did statitics 101 - that is exactly how results would behave if they randomly stream in. If the results stream in randomly from all corners of kenya - you should be able to know the results after 2,000 polling stations. That is what pollster use - they randomly sample 2,000 kenyans - not 19m adults. Initially as results start to stream - you expect wild swings - but as settle - then the gap will be constant.
Personally I called it for Uhuru just after 2,000 polling station had streamed in - I think Terminator was here - and that is when he started demanding to verify the forms.
Real rigging is 2007 - that is where you have Raila leading by nearly 1M votes today - and tomorrow you wake up & that margin has been wipped out. If Kibaki hadn't rigged himself - by witholding and inflating his strongholds votes - the gap btw Raila & Kibaki would have remained constant - based on the first few reporting const - Raila would have won! - and those results were corroborated by MPS/Councillors elections were ODM wiped the floor with PNU (had mere 40 mps!!!)+affiliates.Uhuru did not win last elections,the outcome was already pre determined and thats why live transmission of results broke down for three hours.The reason why the gap between Uhuru and Raila remained constant by 11% was by design and not default.results were streaming in randomly and there is no way the gap could have remained constant at 11%.
http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/oped/comment/Elections-results-reporting/434750-4125756-dhi4y7/index.html
The basic facts are these. The condition under which we would expect that the results from, say, 100 polling stations out of the 40,000-plus used in the election, would reflect the true result of the election is the following: these polling stations must be a random sample drawn from the total.
Randomness ensures that there is no relationship between the factors that led to selecting the 100 polling stations and any factors that affect a person’s vote.
If the reason why a polling station is in the sample is related to vote choice, then the sample will give us a biased estimate of the true result.
If the IEBC was reporting to us every few hours with updates from scores of polling stations that were randomly selected, we would expect results to come in close to the actual result throughout the period of reporting. Because of randomness, there would be no reason to expect any bias in the samples of polling stations selected.
How random is the release of results from ONLY Jubilee strongholds FIRST.
http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/oped/comment/Elections-results-reporting/434750-4125756-dhi4y7/index.html
The basic facts are these. The condition under which we would expect that the results from, say, 100 polling stations out of the 40,000-plus used in the election, would reflect the true result of the election is the following: these polling stations must be a random sample drawn from the total.
Randomness ensures that there is no relationship between the factors that led to selecting the 100 polling stations and any factors that affect a person’s vote.
If the reason why a polling station is in the sample is related to vote choice, then the sample will give us a biased estimate of the true result.
If the IEBC was reporting to us every few hours with updates from scores of polling stations that were randomly selected, we would expect results to come in close to the actual result throughout the period of reporting. Because of randomness, there would be no reason to expect any bias in the samples of polling stations selected.
First you don't need to waste Billions to know what MOAS already knew. UHURU was going to win by 52-54% margin. I wasn't part of any rigging nor am I a magician. You just need to do basic ethnic maths to know how the cookie will crumble.
Seconldy randomness was in the statistics - the assumption being every polling station would report the data as soon as they were done counting - and that is what they did - and once we had first few thousands polling stations - the results were NEVER going to change - that uniformity is RANDOMNESS.
If it was rigged like 2007 - then you don't have uniformity . So you either accept 2007 was rigged because of wild swings or 2013/2017 were rigged because the % never change - because data was being reported randomly from all the many polling stations.
Pundito-you really like to insult peoples intelligence. We have watched randomly streamed results for years and do not therefore need lectures. Maybe the MKM should go ahead and shave Ruto without water before reality finally hits you like a mack truck.
And really if rigging was all one required to win - why would Ruto campaign nonstop btw 2013- 2017 - with UhuRuto holding nearly 600 rallies in last few months. And all that effort saw UhuRuto increase their share of votes in bungoma, gusii, nyamira, tranzoia, narok ,etc...by anything 10-20%. Now Ruto is busy working hard again - so he can further increase Uhuru's 54% to something like 60%....by working his butt off....few months into 2018..and he made headways in kakamega, bungoma, tranozia, most of coast, turkana , maasailand...in fact he just need to crack Gusii...which as soften from the 2007 PEV feel of injustice.
In meantime lazy Raila lost 2013 by failing to consolidate his 2007 const - he let Kalenjin slip out -- while he could have us his PMship to add more votes from 45% he got in 2007! to make it 50%! All he needed to give Ruto was simple - Deputy PMship - Ruto won't have minded- if the three - Uhuru, MaDVD & him were all Deputy PM. That is ALL RAILA NEEDED TO DO :) Raila would now be serving his final term in office with Ruto looking to inherit him. But of course Raila could not standard somebody as talented as Ruto...he had to kill Ruto ambition without knowing Ruto was his most hardworking & resourceful servant :D
Come 2017 - the same lazyness - while Jubilee was merging 14 parties --- NASA were out fighting!
Come 2018 - the man just killed NASA -and is now hoping Uhuru will also kill JUBILEE. Talk of the hyena and hare...Hyena eat his mother (NASA) as the hares smiles.
And really if rigging was all one required to win - why would Ruto campaign nonstop btw 2013- 2017 - with UhuRuto holding nearly 600 rallies in last few months. And all that effort saw UhuRuto increase their share of votes in bungoma, gusii, nyamira, tranzoia, narok ,etc...by anything 10-20%. Now Ruto is busy working hard again - so he can further increase Uhuru's 54% to something like 60%....by working his butt off....few months into 2018..and he made headways in kakamega, bungoma, tranozia, most of coast, turkana , maasailand...in fact he just need to crack Gusii...which as soften from the 2007 PEV feel of injustice.
In meantime lazy Raila lost 2013 by failing to consolidate his 2007 const - he let Kalenjin slip out -- while he could have us his PMship to add more votes from 45% he got in 2007! to make it 50%! All he needed to give Ruto was simple - Deputy PMship - Ruto won't have minded- if the three - Uhuru, MaDVD & him were all Deputy PM. That is ALL RAILA NEEDED TO DO :) Raila would now be serving his final term in office with Ruto looking to inherit him. But of course Raila could not standard somebody as talented as Ruto...he had to kill Ruto ambition without knowing Ruto was his most hardworking & resourceful servant :D
Come 2017 - the same lazyness - while Jubilee was merging 14 parties --- NASA were out fighting!
Come 2018 - the man just killed NASA -and is now hoping Uhuru will also kill JUBILEE. Talk of the hyena and hare...Hyena eat his mother (NASA) as the hares smiles.
Ati hard work. What's so hard being ferried around the country in state of the art aero-planes, fleets of helicopters, and SUV's carrying sacks of money and dollying them to hungry politicians. Literally anybody can do that. In the world of magic they call it smokes and mirrors
You see my dear friend, you have no idea what a democracy is. Democracy, begins with campaign financing. If someone is allowed to steal billions, buy and maintain a fleet of helicopters, aero planes and campaign vehicles which he can then use to fly and transverse the country and dole out billions of ill gotten wealth to buy politicians while the majority of his potential opponents cannot afford to campaign for four years then that is not a democracy.
Raila is what gave Kenya any semblance of a democracy and without his participation, as of November 26, 2017 when Ouru won by 98%, as Termie correctly observed, Ouru became a "benevolent" dictator. This is Ouru's first term as a benevolent dictator and we do not know how many terms he is going to have. Ruto needs to stop wasting his money this early in ouru's first term and see where this goes.
What we are trying to tell you and you are too stubborn to understand is that Ruto and MKM have destroyed democracy in Kenya by stealing elections from Raila and through grand corruption. RV Mafia under Ruto and MKM have therefore became each others opponents by default because nobody else other than the two of them can afford to participate in the expensive democracy.
Raila was able raise the funds to compete with them from rich his funds and rich friends because people could invest in him since he had a credible chance of winning and actually won three times but they stole his elections and I do not think anybody is going to invest in him again including himslelf to run for president unless either MKM or the RV Mafia invest in his presidency. T
That leaves Ruto and MKM. This why I do not understand why Ruto and all you RV's are still running against Raila. Ouru and MKM are your opponents and the notion that the MKM are going to hand power to you win because MKM cannot get 50 plus on is laughable. In 2013 Ouruto did not get 50 plus one and in 2017 the server is yet to be opened. BTW, the constitution also says that Miguna is a citizen of Kenya.
http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=4993.msg37315;topicseen#msg37315
That thread is what we commented when it was live. I personally knew as soon as we got the first 50 polling stations - that is was over for raila.
Uhuru did not increase his share of the vote. The computers increased his share. The plan was to also give Lusaka 54% until they got intelligence that Bungoma was going to burn.
Ruto can campaign for Uhuru. He has invested heavily in it. Sadly he will not get what he longs for. His replacement is Keter. Take it to the bank.
Ati hard work. What's so hard being ferried around the country in state of the art aero-planes, fleets of helicopters, and SUV's carrying sacks of money and dollying them to hungry politicians. Literally anybody can do that. In the world of magic they call it smokes and mirrors
You see my dear friend, you have no idea what a democracy is. Democracy, begins with campaign financing. If someone is allowed to steal billions, buy and maintain a fleet of helicopters, aero planes and campaign vehicles which he can then use to fly and transverse the country and dole out billions of ill gotten wealth to buy politicians while the majority of his potential opponents cannot afford to campaign for four years then that is not a democracy.
Raila is what gave Kenya any semblance of a democracy and without his participation, as of November 26, 2017 when Ouru won by 98%, as Termie correctly observed, Ouru became a "benevolent" dictator. This is Ouru's first term as a benevolent dictator and we do not know how many terms he is going to have. Ruto needs to stop wasting his money this early in ouru's first term and see where this goes.
What we are trying to tell you and you are too stubborn to understand is that Ruto and MKM have destroyed democracy in Kenya by stealing elections from Raila and through grand corruption. RV Mafia under Ruto and MKM have therefore became each others opponents by default because nobody else other than the two of them can afford to participate in the expensive sham democracy.
Raila was able raise the funds to compete with them from rich friends in the country and from his personal his funds because he believed he could win and people believed he win and therefore they invested in him since he had a credible chance of winning and he actually won three times but they stole his elections. I do not think anybody is going to invest in him again including himslelf to run for president unless either MKM or the RV Mafia invest in his presidency.
That leaves Ruto and MKM. This why I do not understand why Ruto and all you RV's are still running against Raila or for the presidency of Kenya as if we are some kind of a democracy. Ouru and MKM are your opponents and the notion that the MKM who now have the power are going to hand power to you because you won since MKM cannot get 50 plus one is laughable. In 2013 Ouruto did not get 50 plus one and in 2017 the server is yet to be opened. BTW, the constitution also says that Miguna is a citizen of Kenya.And really if rigging was all one required to win - why would Ruto campaign nonstop btw 2013- 2017 - with UhuRuto holding nearly 600 rallies in last few months. And all that effort saw UhuRuto increase their share of votes in bungoma, gusii, nyamira, tranzoia, narok ,etc...by anything 10-20%. Now Ruto is busy working hard again - so he can further increase Uhuru's 54% to something like 60%....by working his butt off....few months into 2018..and he made headways in kakamega, bungoma, tranozia, most of coast, turkana , maasailand...in fact he just need to crack Gusii...which as soften from the 2007 PEV feel of injustice.
In meantime lazy Raila lost 2013 by failing to consolidate his 2007 const - he let Kalenjin slip out -- while he could have us his PMship to add more votes from 45% he got in 2007! to make it 50%! All he needed to give Ruto was simple - Deputy PMship - Ruto won't have minded- if the three - Uhuru, MaDVD & him were all Deputy PM. That is ALL RAILA NEEDED TO DO :) Raila would now be serving his final term in office with Ruto looking to inherit him. But of course Raila could not standard somebody as talented as Ruto...he had to kill Ruto ambition without knowing Ruto was his most hardworking & resourceful servant :D
Come 2017 - the same lazyness - while Jubilee was merging 14 parties --- NASA were out fighting!
Come 2018 - the man just killed NASA -and is now hoping Uhuru will also kill JUBILEE. Talk of the hyena and hare...Hyena eat his mother (NASA) as the hares smiles.
Kabogo has just announced his entry to national politics,PK is mark timing,come 2021,kikuyus converge in Limuru and one of the two will be annointed as the heir.Sitting central mps will call a presser and declare their support for one of their own,that will mark the begining of end for arap mashamba.
Please stop with take to the banks. Nobody can guarantee your rumours & wishful voodooism and still be standing today. :)Uhuru did not increase his share of the vote. The computers increased his share. The plan was to also give Lusaka 54% until they got intelligence that Bungoma was going to burn.
Ruto can campaign for Uhuru. He has invested heavily in it. Sadly he will not get what he longs for. His replacement is Keter. Take it to the bank.
Why should mine be voodooism when you are parading your MOAS daily?
My punditry compared to yours is day & night. You see I don't claim to know what I don't know. I don't know any of these politicians. But I know how our politician think, act & move - all that is public info. That is what I use to predict events. MOASS has been pretty solid for the last 15yrs!!!!!!!
On the contrary you create facts or stories or theories out of nothing but you wishful desires. That is mental problem that requires clinical help?. At least Kichwa here admit to being Kichwa Mbaya. You my friend you're worse than Kichwa Mbaya.
The modus operandi is pretty the same. Make ridiculous claims with an air of authority :). Then when events pan out . Disappear for months or years. Appear again to make more imaginative claims.Why should mine be voodooism when you are parading your MOAS daily?
I believe I was here throughout the elections. My leave expired and I had to go to work. I dont hide my net activities from my employer and I am required to disclose. The specific assignment required I desist from comment on matters Kenya - especially any that would cause opprobrium and lay roadblocks in delivery...
Before that I had successfully debunked your MOAS. For instance there is a bet on Kilfi. You predicted Mung'aro would be governor and spread propaganda that Kingi had done "nothing". Do you still stand by that?
When I examined it further I discovered that it was not what would happen on the ground; far from it! It was what Uhuru planned to do using Chirchir and his helpers. I did mention a number of persons who Uhuru planned to rig in including Lusaka, Mvurya, Mwashetani etc. In Lusaka's case they wouldn't announce results until a week plus after elections.
Now I believe you were not part of the rigging. You have said so and I believe you. BUT there are some curions things you may want to explain:
1. You were sure Alfred Mutua would win. Now every last village idiot knows Mutua did not win the elections. I mean he simply could not even hold a public rally anywhere in Machakos. Yet your scientific MOAS predicted a win.
2. (coming).My punditry compared to yours is day & night. You see I don't claim to know what I don't know. I don't know any of these politicians. But I know how our politician think, act & move - all that is public info. That is what I use to predict events. MOASS has been pretty solid for the last 15yrs!!!!!!!
On the contrary you create facts or stories or theories out of nothing but you wishful desires. That is mental problem that requires clinical help?. At least Kichwa here admit to being Kichwa Mbaya. You my friend you're worse than Kichwa Mbaya.
The modus operandi is pretty the same. Make ridiculous claims with an air of authority :). Then when events pan out . Disappear for months or years. Appear again to make more imaginative claims.Why should mine be voodooism when you are parading your MOAS daily?
On November 26, 2017, when Ouru won by 98%, the fake democracy we used to have in Kenya officially ended. From now on, let us stop pretending as we have been since 2007. We have wasted a lot of time analyzing Kenya's politics as if we were a democracy since 2007 even after an election was stolen, we continued to do the same post 2013 even after Ouruto did not forced a 50 plus win which we knew we did not win. Its only in 2017 after the elections were nullified and Raila refused to participate in the November 26, 2017 sham election that the era of the sham democracy ended. I am glad we are now in an era of reality. Only Pundit still think anybody is still paying attention to that charade.
I think I did MOAS for governors - and I "lost" very few. I had Kingi winning Kilifi. Mutua victory has been annualed mainly because county staff campaigned for him. As regard specific events - dude we been online together since RCBOWEN - I know you very well. Save it for newbies. I mean I started reading bowen in 2002 when I was still student at UON :).I believe I was here throughout the elections. My leave expired and I had to go to work. I dont hide my net activities from my employer and I am required to disclose. The specific assignment required I desist from comment on matters Kenya - especially any that would cause opprobrium and lay roadblocks in delivery...
Before that I had successfully debunked your MOAS. For instance there is a bet on Kilfi. You predicted Mung'aro would be governor and spread propaganda that Kingi had done "nothing". Do you still stand by that?
When I examined it further I discovered that it was not what would happen on the ground; far from it! It was what Uhuru planned to do using Chirchir and his helpers. I did mention a number of persons who Uhuru planned to rig in including Lusaka, Mvurya, Mwashetani etc. In Lusaka's case they wouldn't announce results until a week plus after elections.
Now I believe you were not part of the rigging. You have said so and I believe you. BUT there are some curions things you may want to explain:
1. You were sure Alfred Mutua would win. Now every last village idiot knows Mutua did not win the elections. I mean he simply could not even hold a public rally anywhere in Machakos. Yet your scientific MOAS predicted a win.
2. (coming).My punditry compared to yours is day & night. You see I don't claim to know what I don't know. I don't know any of these politicians. But I know how our politician think, act & move - all that is public info. That is what I use to predict events. MOASS has been pretty solid for the last 15yrs!!!!!!!
On the contrary you create facts or stories or theories out of nothing but you wishful desires. That is mental problem that requires clinical help?. At least Kichwa here admit to being Kichwa Mbaya. You my friend you're worse than Kichwa Mbaya.
The modus operandi is pretty the same. Make ridiculous claims with an air of authority :). Then when events pan out . Disappear for months or years. Appear again to make more imaginative claims.Why should mine be voodooism when you are parading your MOAS daily?
Dust yourself up and know in 2022 we will have an election. We still have a constitution. If you won't participate again - no problem - Ruto will be elected by 98% - and we continue.On November 26, 2017, when Ouru won by 98%, the fake democracy we used to have in Kenya officially ended. From now on, let us stop pretending as we have been since 2007. We have wasted a lot of time analyzing Kenya's politics as if we were a democracy since 2007 even after an election was stolen, we continued to do the same post 2013 even after Ouruto did not forced a 50 plus win which we knew we did not win. Its only in 2017 after the elections were nullified and Raila refused to participate in the November 26, 2017 sham election that the era of the sham democracy ended. I am glad we are now in an era of reality. Only Pundit still think anybody is still paying attention to that charade.
Those old days are gone. MOAS was smokes and mirrors. The reality is that in 2007 Kibaki stole from Raila. In 2013 ouru never won 50 plus and there should have been a run-off. The August 2017 the elections were nullified and the server is yet to be opened. After the November 2017 boycott and Ouru's 98% win, democracy in Kenya is dead. What we have is two mafias struggling for power under the guise of a democracy. Nobody is buying it anymore and therefore all that talk about MOAS is for the gullible.
Uhuru did not win last elections,the outcome was already pre determined and thats why live transmission of results broke down for three hours.The reason why the gap between Uhuru and Raila remained constant by 11% was by design and not default.results were streaming in randomly and there is no way the gap could have remained constant at 11%.
Let me paraphrase that. Raila my man has capitulated, killed NASA and our only hope is for fallout in Jubilee pitting Kalenjin against Kikuyu, so we can have a shot at pork again. What if they won't be any fallout.Those old days are gone. MOAS was smokes and mirrors. The reality is that in 2007 Kibaki stole from Raila. In 2013 ouru never won 50 plus and there should have been a run-off. The August 2017 the elections were nullified and the server is yet to be opened. After the November 2017 boycott and Ouru's 98% win, democracy in Kenya is dead. What we have is two mafias struggling for power under the guise of a democracy. Nobody is buying it anymore and therefore all that talk about MOAS is for the gullible.
I think I did MOAS for governors - and I "lost" very few. I had Kingi winning Kilifi. Mutua victory has been annualed mainly because county staff campaigned for him. As regard specific events - dude we been online together since RCBOWEN - I know you very well. Save it for newbies. I mean I started reading bowen in 2002 when I was still student at UON :).
Let me paraphrase that. Raila my man has capitulated, killed NASA and our only hope is for fallout in Jubilee pitting Kalenjin against Kikuyu, so we can have a shot at pork again. What if they won't be any fallout.
The first 50 of which? Statistics or what?http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=4993.msg37315;topicseen#msg37315
That thread is what we commented when it was live. I personally knew as soon as we got the first 50 polling stations - that is was over for raila.
We ought to be past speculations. If we can’t see the audit trail one year after the fact, it’s because it does not compute.
First dispute the read only logs that you got from IEBC. The same that NASA used to cook their "win". The server was opened - results logs were copied and handed over to NASA team. NASA then turned around and wanted to open the server themselves. If that was granted - [nobody has ever gone to court to seek court orders after the first scok orders became time-barred]- they would have wanted a forensic audit. Thankful the french have done audit and declared the server clean.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/08/29/nasa-accuses-iebc-of-giving-printed-logs-instead-of-read-only-server_c1625283 (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/08/29/nasa-accuses-iebc-of-giving-printed-logs-instead-of-read-only-server_c1625283)
If you're obsessed about server & nullified election - you still have roughly 2yrs to get them - election act require them preserved for 3yrs- you can petition and get everything including the plastic basins.We ought to be past speculations. If we can’t see the audit trail one year after the fact, it’s because it does not compute.
First dispute the read only logs that you got from IEBC. The same that NASA used to cook their "win". The server was opened - results logs were copied and handed over to NASA team. NASA then turned around and wanted to open the server themselves. If that was granted - [nobody has ever gone to court to seek court orders after the first scok orders became time-barred]- they would have wanted a forensic audit. Thankful the french have done audit and declared the server clean.
If you're obsessed about server & nullified election - you still have roughly 2yrs to get them - election act require them preserved for 3yrs- you can petition and get everything including the plastic basins.We ought to be past speculations. If we can’t see the audit trail one year after the fact, it’s because it does not compute.
Give it up Pundit, you are not dealing with goat herders here.
The good old days when Kenyans were still gullible to think someone could actually run for president from outside the government as in 2002 are gone. It took three stolen elections by Ouruto to destroy that dream.
Right now we are just enjoying watching the theatre of the absurd as the sole presidential candidate for 2022, Ruto shows-off his new toys of state of the art aero planes, choppers, SUV's and how many politicians he can buy with looted money while poor Kenyans continue going to bed hungry. There is no Raila for you guys to beat up on anymore. Its now just between you and uthamaki.
First business before we fight Uthamaki - is for Ruto to take back whatever Raila took from KANU --in 2002 - and when you're comfortably LUO only party - we can ignore you - so prepared to concede and concede ground - Ruto won't be distracted by imaginary wars with Uhuru - After that Ruto is done consolidated the Non-GEMA - we can make or not make a deal with GEMA. That is how to win over GEMA. Just because you have failed to beat GEMA - doesn't mean we will fail. Moi did 12yrs as VP and 24 as PORK. Ruto is doing 10yrs as DPORK and 10yrs as PORK.
Just admit RV are just more strategic than you guys. You couldn't even hack it in 2008 when we held GEMA down literally. Ruto got himself 50-50 deal without one arrow shot. The things you thought impossible like Finance minister - we got them. Ministers & PS & Board shared 50-50. Ruto has been de-facto pork as Uhuru get wasted :D - and you still thinking he'll walk up from alchohol induced stupor to engage in a big fight :D . Let the guy just keep drinking and Ruto will handle the shiet together.Governing sio mchezo. We know why we trusted Uhuru not Martha Karua. Uhuru is our man. The man is not dyed in the wool tribalist nor does he subscribe to uthamakis - he understand what the country need is political stability and he is man of his words.Give it up Pundit, you are not dealing with goat herders here.
The good old days when Kenyans were still gullible to think someone could actually run for president from outside the government as in 2002 are gone. It took three stolen elections by Ouruto to destroy that dream.
Right now we are just enjoying watching the theatre of the absurd as the sole presidential candidate for 2022, Ruto shows-off his new toys of state of the art aero planes, choppers, SUV's and how many politicians he can buy with looted money while poor Kenyans continue going to bed hungry. There is no Raila for you guys to beat up on anymore. Its now just between you and uthamaki.
Ruto is unstoppable
But then again, HIV,despite huge strides in managing it,is quite unpredictable
Here is what one sees when one does not live in Ruto's world.
1978- Kenyatta dies while civil war is raging inside uthamakistan. Njonjo arrogant and brush hands the power over to Moi with the intent of getting it back for himself. Big mistake for himself, Uthamaki and country for the next 24 years.
2002- Moi and Mama Ngina enters a pact to create a Kenyatta/Moi dynasty, Not a Kikuyu/Kalenjin dynasty as it later appeared. Raila threw a spanner into this game plan and did the Kibaki Tosha thing.
2007- Raila wins but Uthamaki remembers the 24 years in the wilderness and refuses to give up power-Raila accepts the Nusu mkate-he is still being vilified for it but I do not blame it-it was not worth a civil war.
2013- Kibaki almost made the mistake Njonjo made of handing power Uthamaki power to MDVD. Ouru ceases the moment, Gidi is not ready so they buy Ruto and the tyranny of numbers is born, although they found out that they could not beat Raila with it so they had to steal to avoid the run-off.
2017-Raila again rears his ugly head -Ruto could not hold Kalenjins together and Mama Ngina had to fly in to rekindle the Kenyatta/Moi dynasty talk to bring Gidi back to the fold. Raila still proved to be too much and they still need to steal and that is why the server has to remain closed. Ruto has outlived his usefulness but they made him grow too big-they had to because Raila was always breathing down Uthamaki's neck and they needed a United Kalenjin/kikuyu front at all times. After the handshake, however, Uthamaki's big project is now to cut Ruto down to size. They have enough time.
Raila lacks finishing and closing power. Just watch Ruto bring home the prize. Nobody can dare rig Ruto out - hapo kenya itakwisha :DHere is what one sees when one does not live in Ruto's world.
1978- Kenyatta dies while civil war is raging inside uthamakistan. Njonjo arrogant and brush hands the power over to Moi with the intent of getting it back for himself. Big mistake for himself, Uthamaki and country for the next 24 years.
2002- Moi and Mama Ngina enters a pact to create a Kenyatta/Moi dynasty, Not a Kikuyu/Kalenjin dynasty as it later appeared. Raila threw a spanner into this game plan and did the Kibaki Tosha thing.
2007- Raila wins but Uthamaki remembers the 24 years in the wilderness and refuses to give up power-Raila accepts the Nusu mkate-he is still being vilified for it but I do not blame it-it was not worth a civil war.
2013- Kibaki almost made the mistake Njonjo made of handing power Uthamaki power to MDVD. Ouru ceases the moment, Gidi is not ready so they buy Ruto and the tyranny of numbers is born, although they found out that they could not beat Raila with it so they had to steal to avoid the run-off.
2017-Raila again rears his ugly head -Ruto could not hold Kalenjins together and Mama Ngina had to fly in to rekindle the Kenyatta/Moi dynasty talk to bring Gidi back to the fold. Raila still proved to be too much and they still need to steal and that is why the server has to remain closed. Ruto has outlived his usefulness but they made him grow too big-they had to because Raila was always breathing down Uthamaki's neck and they needed a United Kalenjin/kikuyu front at all times. After the handshake, however, Uthamaki's big project is now to cut Ruto down to size. They have enough time.
He has a monumental task ahead of him.
First dispute the read only logs that you got from IEBC. The same that NASA used to cook their "win". The server was opened - results logs were copied and handed over to NASA team. NASA then turned around and wanted to open the server themselves. If that was granted - [nobody has ever gone to court to seek court orders after the first scok orders became time-barred]- they would have wanted a forensic audit. Thankful the french have done audit and declared the server clean.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/08/29/nasa-accuses-iebc-of-giving-printed-logs-instead-of-read-only-server_c1625283
If you're obsessed about server & nullified election - you still have roughly 2yrs to get them - election act require them preserved for 3yrs- you can petition and get everything including the plastic basins.We ought to be past speculations. If we can’t see the audit trail one year after the fact, it’s because it does not compute.
Not from GEMA - but from Luo nation dying of envy & spite :(
Energizer Ruto just go started -Since the Uhuru-Raila handshake of March 9, the DP has held 46 rallies countrywide, an average of three public meetings a week.
ODM's deputy party leader Wycliffe Oparanya has met Ruto and is reportedly angling to be his running mate....hehehe...I saw the man in my backyard this weekend! :D :D :D
Haha Juma of Malindi
"We have already built bridges, what we are doing now is walking on them. That is why we are crisscrossing the country to preach peace and promote unity," she said.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/06/12/ruto-plots-raids-on-raila-strongholds_c1771444He has a monumental task ahead of him.
Ruto doesn't have HIV - he just took control of his life around 2009 and hit the gym like nobody business. That is why now he is so energetic and can do marathon meetings from 5am till midnight. That is not someone weaken by HIV - I mean when he last time he was admitted in any hospital.Ruto is unstoppable
But then again, HIV,despite huge strides in managing it,is quite unpredictable
The problem I have noticed with Pundit is his inability to read and comprehend important issues that have crucial details. I used to think it is willful but I have since changed my mind. That is why he gets into trouble trying to debate Moonki.
Again I have serious issues with his claims of being an ICT expert. Here is why:
To say The logs were copied and handed over to NASA then turned around and wanted to open the server themselves.
This really lets the cat out of the bag. Any D student of ICT will tell you the only way one can be sure the logs are a true record is for them to first viewed before printing. The IEBC handed over pre-printed logs and denied read only access as ordered by the court
You also say "NASA wanted to open the servers themselves". Again you simply did not follow the facts of the case. The court ordered read only access which the IEBC failed to provided for the most. Even the pre-printed "logs" did not meet the court ordered criteria. You rely on the sensationalism by the media with its foundations from the Duales of this world.
Then you say: they would have wanted a forensic audi: Upon what basis? What about they granted the access and then wait to oppose a forensic audit? And BTW if there grounds for such an audit were found, why would anybody be opposed to it?
You are right that the SCOK orders were time barred. How wonderful it would have been to be honest for once and embrace a little generosity by adding that Jubilee engineered the time wasting and stalling.
Thankful the french have done audit and declared the server clean: Jee! I read in some communist book that a time will come when the accused will confess their sins and murderers will sentence themselves to death. That time is near because right now we have the Corrupt exonerating themselves. The most interesting about it is that there are normal people who believe it all.First dispute the read only logs that you got from IEBC. The same that NASA used to cook their "win". The server was opened - results logs were copied and handed over to NASA team. NASA then turned around and wanted to open the server themselves. If that was granted - [nobody has ever gone to court to seek court orders after the first scok orders became time-barred]- they would have wanted a forensic audit. Thankful the french have done audit and declared the server clean.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/08/29/nasa-accuses-iebc-of-giving-printed-logs-instead-of-read-only-server_c1625283
If you're obsessed about server & nullified election - you still have roughly 2yrs to get them - election act require them preserved for 3yrs- you can petition and get everything including the plastic basins.We ought to be past speculations. If we can’t see the audit trail one year after the fact, it’s because it does not compute.
He is sick. ARVs hate Adrenalin rush and stress. That’s why it nearly brought him down and he had to secretly fly out for days/weeks just before Anne Kiguta Interview
Besides, this is an opens secret.
Ruto has my sympathies. Ask KM. He and I clashed when I stated that Raila was being screwed by Kibaki believing he would be given the presidency. We told them but they wouldn't believe. When the rock hit the head they rightly didn't see it coming. Now it is your turn brother Pundit.
Note that before the Kalenjin-Kikuyu alliance, there was the Luo-Kikuyu alliance. That is the alliance that tamed Moi. Moi knew about it and feared it all his 24 years.
Well - that give Kichwa some hope - Ruto may just drop dead before 2022.He is sick. ARVs hate Adrenalin rush and stress. That’s why it nearly brought him down and he had to secretly fly out for days/weeks just before Anne Kiguta Interview
Besides, this is an opens secret.
Ruto doesn't have HIV - he just took control of his life around 2009 and hit the gym like nobody business. That is why now he is so energetic and can do marathon meetings from 5am till midnight. That is not someone weaken by HIV - I mean when he last time he was admitted in any hospital.Ruto is unstoppable
But then again, HIV,despite huge strides in managing it,is quite unpredictable
He is sick. ARVs hate Adrenalin rush and stress. That’s why it nearly brought him down and he had to secretly fly out for days/weeks just before Anne Kiguta Interview
Besides, this is an opens secret.
Ohoo please - keep your voodoo to yourself.Ruto has my sympathies. Ask KM. He and I clashed when I stated that Raila was being screwed by Kibaki believing he would be given the presidency. We told them but they wouldn't believe. When the rock hit the head they rightly didn't see it coming. Now it is your turn brother Pundit.
Note that before the Kalenjin-Kikuyu alliance, there was the Luo-Kikuyu alliance. That is the alliance that tamed Moi. Moi knew about it and feared it all his 24 years.
1st heard of WSR positive HIV status when he was in 2008.
1st heard of WSR positive HIV status when he was in 2008.
Yeah, I did hear something like that but thought it is PHD (Pull Him Down) tactics. I doubt HIV/ AIDS will play any role unless they spike his meds. My information is he was well done by the end of the campaign. They called it The Wamalwa Option. Perhaps AIDS will be the story to pass.
Poor man. He must slow down, take a deep breath and try to be invisible. He might just have a chance.
stop hating on hiv positive people. right now an hiv+ person can live as long a life as that of a negative individual.
As far as ruto campaign for 2022 is concerned, i think he is playing his cards right. He is going for the low hanging fruits first. He is using his position to dole out development projects to regions he wants to wrestle from odm without seeming to be campaigning. He is also making many political friends a long the way. i think the only impediment to his coronation is if uhuru abandons and starts fighting him. You can never win against a government rigging machine.
i still believe that the handshake was and is meant to cripple raila politically.
Poor man. He must slow down, take a deep breath and try to be invisible. He might just have a chance.
The big debate is why would it be in ouru's interest to support Ruto for president. I see none at all.
stop hating on hiv positive people. right now an hiv+ person can live as long a life as that of a negative individual.Nobody is hating, but ARVs have their limits, and it showed last year
As far as ruto campaign for 2022 is concerned, i think he is playing his cards right. He is going for the low hanging fruits first. He is using his position to dole out development projects to regions he wants to wrestle from odm without seeming to be campaigning. He is also making many political friends a long the way. i think the only impediment to his coronation is if uhuru abandons and starts fighting him. You can never win against a government rigging machine.
i still believe that the handshake was and is meant to cripple raila politically.
Subliminal message is clear - Ruto is burying ODM alive and you want him to stop. I don't see that happening. Ruto has never stopped campaigning ever since he got into politics. You saw in pre 2013; post 2013 and now - That is how a son of a peasant has rose to power while still very young. Ruto just turned 51yrs!!!Poor man. He must slow down, take a deep breath and try to be invisible. He might just have a chance.
It is a joke to imagine that Ruto can bury ODM.
I have been trying to teach you politics since 2002 but I must say I have failed badly in your case.
Lesson Number One:
A politician defecting to a political party or transferring allegiance to a National Demagogue does not mean and has never meant the people he purports to represent have also defected. I told you that about Coast, Western etc. Sadly you still make that mistake. In your mind when Aisha Jumwa stands up to say we support Ruto, it means all of Kilifi is supporting Ruto. Wrong. It simply means she may lose her seat like Chidzuga (whom you praised)
Lesson Two (coming)
There is no way you can teach me political punditry. My punditry here is testimony. It the same way you or me cannot purport to teach Ruto politics. Ruto is powerful DPORK - and he is most likely younger than you - and both of your are sons of peasants - him perhaps even poorer.
Ruto has buried ODM in many places - he started in Kalenjin land - completely buried it - after 3 yrs non-stop campaign using MAU & ICC - then he proceeded to Maasai-Samburu land - now completely buried - then Somali & Borana - ODM completely buried.
Ruto has tried coast & has failed - mainly because of the anti-kikuyu/anti-kenyatta animus down there is HUGE - Joho & Asian barons are also quite monied & could outbid Ruto for Mijikenda votea- but now there won't be a kenyatta running - so Ruto is bring it home - and Asian barons (save for Joho) abandoned Raila just before repeat election!!!!
The thing with politics - that Ruto understands - you got to keep trying - and keep trying. You have to work hard for it. COAST this time round has cracked.
Next to crack is Gusii & Part of Western.It is a joke to imagine that Ruto can bury ODM.
I have been trying to teach you politics since 2002 but I must say I have failed badly in your case.
Lesson Number One:
A politician defecting to a political party or transferring allegiance to a National Demagogue does not mean and has never meant the people he purports to represent have also defected. I told you that about Coast, Western etc. Sadly you still make that mistake. In your mind when Aisha Jumwa stands up to say we support Ruto, it means all of Kilifi is supporting Ruto. Wrong. It simply means she may lose her seat like Chidzuga (whom you praised)
Lesson Two (coming)
I would like to be a son of a peasant but I am not and have never hidden that bro. I thank God for everything but it does not mean I should stomach the theft and pillage of the likes of Ruto trying to compensate for having been born destitute.
You are making this a personal fight driven by envy and jealousy. You may recall I have previously though briefly supported Ruto's position. I changed my mind when I became aware of his debauchery in matters of the management of public funds. Kenya is a very poor country and I see so many old and young people dying of hunger (often recorded as malaria) all because those entrusted with public funds are stealing it. That is the point of departure between me and you. You cheer those who steal - be it power or money. You admire them and they are your role models. I think they are the scum of this earth. An honest man should be able to make a lot of money by the power of his muscles, the agility of his brains and above all an honest and truthful belief in God. That is what I believe. I don't even think you know God exists.
About burying ODM:
He probably did but Raila still won in 2013 and 2017. He can win again today if you call elections or if Uhuru drops dead. In other words the so called burying is no different from a dog burying rotten meat in the hope of exhuming it a weêk later and then returning find it now part of the soil. A waste of time really.
Ruto cannot get votes at the Coast while glued to GEMA. He must make a clear and irreversible detachment from GEMA then he may have a fighting chance. The public display of "support" for Ruto is a message to Raila by the coastals.
Lastly your punditry: You have got it so wrong so many times I still wonder why you still call yourself "Pundit". The only thing you get right are those people Chirchir tells you he will rig in, like Alfred Ng'ang'a Mutua.
There is no way you can teach me political punditry. My punditry here is testimony. It the same way you or me cannot purport to teach Ruto politics. Ruto is powerful DPORK - and he is most likely younger than you - and both of your are sons of peasants - him perhaps even poorer.
Ruto has buried ODM in many places - he started in Kalenjin land - completely buried it - after 3 yrs non-stop campaign using MAU & ICC - then he proceeded to Maasai-Samburu land - now completely buried - then Somali & Borana - ODM completely buried.
Ruto has tried coast & has failed - mainly because of the anti-kikuyu/anti-kenyatta animus down there is HUGE - Joho & Asian barons are also quite monied & could outbid Ruto for Mijikenda votea- but now there won't be a kenyatta running - so Ruto is bring it home - and Asian barons (save for Joho) abandoned Raila just before repeat election!!!!
The thing with politics - that Ruto understands - you got to keep trying - and keep trying. You have to work hard for it. COAST this time round has cracked.
Next to crack is Gusii & Part of Western.It is a joke to imagine that Ruto can bury ODM.
I have been trying to teach you politics since 2002 but I must say I have failed badly in your case.
Lesson Number One:
A politician defecting to a political party or transferring allegiance to a National Demagogue does not mean and has never meant the people he purports to represent have also defected. I told you that about Coast, Western etc. Sadly you still make that mistake. In your mind when Aisha Jumwa stands up to say we support Ruto, it means all of Kilifi is supporting Ruto. Wrong. It simply means she may lose her seat like Chidzuga (whom you praised)
Lesson Two (coming)
You live in alternate universe. So not gonna waste more precious time.Much obliged that you finally came close to figuring it out.
There is no way you can teach me political punditry. My punditry here is testimony. It the same way you or me cannot purport to teach Ruto politics. Ruto is powerful DPORK - and he is most likely younger than you - and both of your are sons of peasants - him perhaps even poorer.
Ruto has buried ODM in many places - he started in Kalenjin land - completely buried it - after 3 yrs non-stop campaign using MAU & ICC - then he proceeded to Maasai-Samburu land - now completely buried - then Somali & Borana - ODM completely buried.
Ruto has tried coast & has failed - mainly because of the anti-kikuyu/anti-kenyatta animus down there is HUGE - Joho & Asian barons are also quite monied & could outbid Ruto for Mijikenda votea- but now there won't be a kenyatta running - so Ruto is bring it home - and Asian barons (save for Joho) abandoned Raila just before repeat election!!!!
The thing with politics - that Ruto understands - you got to keep trying - and keep trying. You have to work hard for it. COAST this time round has cracked.
Next to crack is Gusii & Part of Western.It is a joke to imagine that Ruto can bury ODM.
I have been trying to teach you politics since 2002 but I must say I have failed badly in your case.
Lesson Number One:
A politician defecting to a political party or transferring allegiance to a National Demagogue does not mean and has never meant the people he purports to represent have also defected. I told you that about Coast, Western etc. Sadly you still make that mistake. In your mind when Aisha Jumwa stands up to say we support Ruto, it means all of Kilifi is supporting Ruto. Wrong. It simply means she may lose her seat like Chidzuga (whom you praised)
Lesson Two (coming)
RV pundit- the political punditry that you brag about is solely based on the 2013 and 2017 stolen election results. The lesson we should have learnt in 2007 is that it is a waste of time running for an election in Kenya with an incumbent who controls all the instruments of power. Based on that experience, I can comfortably predict that Ruto can campaign all he wants but he will not be president of Kenya unless there is a way that those who now hold the instruments of power in Kenya-MKM-will benefit from his presidency. Everybody knows that if Ruto were to become president, his first task will be to consolidate his power by removing MKM stranglehold on the instruments of power and replacing them with kalenjins. Why would MKM let that happen? If you pundit can answer that question convincingly, then I will accept his punditry that Ruto will be the next.
I agree with Pundito on Uhunye tribalism streak. It APPEARS less than that of those before him
But this is not by choice, but rather by a post 2007 reality check; GEMA however populous need others to win, especially given the 50%+1 hurdle
Joho feeling the heat - only left with 3 Mombasa Mps.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Hassan-Joho-isolated-as-allies-shift-support-to-DP-Ruto/1064-4611156-11ud9um/index.html
https://www.kenya-today.com/politics/raila-beats-ruto-hands-down-in-latest-move-to-curb-rebellion-in-odm
Pundit told us not long ago that power is taken not given. If Ruto is going to be president he has to take it from the MKM but the notion that they are going to give it to him is laughable. Ouru has people who run Kenya for him so that he can have time to drink and these people love power and they are not going to hand it over to Ruto. They would hand it over to Gidi under another arrangement if they have to hand it to another tribal person but not Ruto. They learnt that lesson well in 1978.
You haven't been listening. There is a reason why Moi chose Uhuru. The is a reason why Ruto has Kept Uhuru and Uhuru is PORK. If you paid attention - you'd have known Ruto is de-facto PORK. He is the engine of this gov.Maybe you should listen to ODM MPs who were lamenting. Nothing happen in GOV without ruto knowing or okaying. Ruto runs gov. Ruto runs Jubilee. The man is at his office latest SIX - sometimes by 5am...you think he goes there for morning kesha :D...and by mid-day he is done knowing who is doing shiet...and he goes for inspection tours & rallies. So basically there is really nothing GEMA or MKM will lose..except the title of PORK :).If Ruto didn't have power - he won't be making crazy money as Gov supervisor :) taking his fair/ceasar share of 5-10% to ensure things ran smoothly and on time. The boss was given SGR phase 1 - 30B - so he is still busy chewing that nyama. Then he probably chewed phase 2. And is ready for phase 3. The other nyamas...that don't concern the BOSS...Ruto takes them. The problem right now is everyone want to take their 5-10% including unkown Kaburas & ngiritas.Pundit told us not long ago that power is taken not given. If Ruto is going to be president he has to take it from the MKM but the notion that they are going to give it to him is laughable. Ouru has people who run Kenya for him so that he can have time to drink and these people love power and they are not going to hand it over to Ruto. They would hand it over to Gidi under another arrangement if they have to hand it to another tribal person but not Ruto. They learnt that lesson well in 1978.
Bla bla bla bla. The more reason why he will never be pork. Moi looked attractive to Njonjo because he was naive. In 2013 Ruto was naive about government and so MKM liked him right now they fear him like they feared Raila in 2007, 2013 and 2017. Gidi looks more attractive to MKM than Ruto right now. I actually think Ruto knows MKM is not going to hand him over power because otherwise he would not be in such panic mode. He is trying to insulate himself politically for the corruption charges coming against him soon like he did with ICC then if he survives the court charges then he believes he can be a national hero and make it hard for MKM to rig him out. If that is his ultimate plan then he will need Raila like Omollo said and therefore I do not understand this old tired political anti Raila strategy in the Ruto camp.
Hehehe - Ruto ni moto ya kuotea mbali
1) Raila is waving a white flag - telling ODM mpps they are free to work with Jubilee(Ruto). Eti go and when I summon you - comeback :) . How is that even possible.
2) Pale Baringo..the up-start Moi Gideon - is even afraid to fill a candidate for the by-election.https://www.kenya-today.com/politics/raila-beats-ruto-hands-down-in-latest-move-to-curb-rebellion-in-odm
MKM will like everyone benefit from Ruto. However they will benefit more - because they'll get DPORK, plus Uhuru will still be powerful Jubilee leader & half the gov positions. The other options they have is to try find another candidate who can win in 2022 or have Uhuru somehow extend his rule. I think both ideas are stupid...so the best idea is to continue the Jubilee partnership and transform Kenya.
When you talk about instruments of power? What exactly are those? The minister of security is a Kisii - Matiangi. The minister of Finance - is Rotich a Kalenjin. The Majority Leader of Parliament is Duale - a Somali. The Majority Leader of Senate is Murkomen - a Kalenjin. The Speaker of Parliament - is Muturi a Mbeere. The Speaker of Senate - is Lusaka a Bukusu. The Nairobi Governor is Sonko - a Kamba.The head of KDF - General Samson Mwathethe is from Coast.The Police Inspector is Boinnet a Kalenjin. The Minister of Energy is Keter. The DPP is Somali. The EACC head is Somali. Solicitor General a Kisii. The Chief Justice is Maranga - a Kisii. IEBC Chair is Chebukati - a Bukusu. All major parastal are headed by all tribes...KAA is headed by Nowergeina, KPLC/Kenya Pipeline/ etc by Kalenjin, KCB a major Gov bank by Gusii Ogiara. The Chair of Governors is Turkana - and so in Minister of Petroleum (and PS is Kalenjin).The Budget Controller Adhiambo is a Luo. Ouko the Auditor General is a Luo. Kalenjin have 7 Governors (plus 10 deputy governors) - which more than Kikuyu governors. These are "INSTRUMENTS" Of power.
I guess you mean only position held by Kikuyus are "instruments of power" - which to me are restricted to - Head of Civil Services/CBK Governor/NIS Head/AG/Min of Infrastructure/KRA?
Bottomline; Kenya is too sophisticated & diversified to be "owned" by any tribe. If someone in GEMA was hoping Uhuru would be a dyed in the wool tribalist like Kibaki or his father Kenyatta - they got it wrong - Uhuru has no tribal blood flowing in his vein.If GEMA are not careful..Uhuru will hand over the DPORK to Luhyas or Kambas...as he remain the Supreme Leader of Jubilee....attending Cabinet like Jubilee Sec General Tuju(a Luo).
Ruto is not waiting like Moi for Kenyatta to drop dead. He is taking power. By force. By hook or crook. Who is this MKM. Give me 3 names of the card carrying members. Maybe Ruto get assisinated or something like that...but Ruto is not waiting for GEMA or MKM to make him PORK. He is going to do it himself. MKM/GEMA will be running to make a deal.
Like I told you Ruto is targetting to get 40% of all votes - small tribes that supported Moi/KANU - before any GEMA vote is counted. Once he get 40% of Kenya (Moi Old KANU) - he'll need 10% to make it. Now there are so many 10% - from the big 5 tribes - and so GEMA will be rushing to make a deal. If you're waiting for Ruto to go beg GEMA for support - :D :D then you clearly haven't studied the man like I have. That is why Ruto is busy making crazy trips to former KANU Zones - and just passing to check the GEMA buddies once in a while.
Why is Ruto anti- Raila - Raila came with Luos in NDP & went with MOI's KANU in 2002 rebellion and has kept it as his own. Ruto knows it. Ruto wants it. Once Ruto has taken back OLD GREAT KANU (KADU of 60s) - basically conglomeration of small tribes of kenya - and I think he is about to - COAST & GUSII - once they are safely in - we can close that chapter - and make friends with Raila & Luo people.
Just sit back & relax so Ruto can teach you politics 101. Ruto is about to do the most outstanding political undertaking since KADU-KANU merger of 1966 - combine Non-GEMA+GEMA into one unified force :D :D. Poor Luos people will be left out AGAIN! unless they rebel from Raila Odinga.Bla bla bla bla. The more reason why he will never be pork. Moi looked attractive to Njonjo because he was naive. In 2013 Ruto was naive about government and so MKM liked him right now they fear him like they feared Raila in 2007, 2013 and 2017. Gidi looks more attractive to MKM than Ruto right now. I actually think Ruto knows MKM is not going to hand him over power because otherwise he would not be in such panic mode. He is trying to insulate himself politically for the corruption charges coming against him soon like he did with ICC then if he survives the court charges then he believes he can be a national hero and make it hard for MKM to rig him out. If that is his ultimate plan then he will need Raila like Omollo said and therefore I do not understand this old tired political anti Raila strategy in the Ruto camp.
Yup. We have seen before that Gideon is an empty coat and incoherent windbag. Kanu has only Tiaty's Kamket Baringo yote :D The Baringo South by-election will be another reminder of Gideon's hopeless incompetence.
This is the issue facing the Anyone-but-Ruto squad: PK, Mdvd, Mutua, etc - are all hopeless against Ruto. Only 80yo Raila measures up.
This is the funniest piece I have read since I started teaching you politics in 2002.
Tell us how he will go about taking power?
I could not help laughing at this aloud! And I am in a public place which has really embarrassed me.
Matiangi is Interior minister but they do not completely trust him so Karanja Kibicho is running the show and believe you me his hand stretches far. Just ask Sonko in Nairobi!
The Minister of Finance? Jesus? They picked an alcoholic who is mostly drunk with a perennial headache. He is invited to drinking partieds while the PS Kamau Thug ( Dr Kamau Thugge) runs the show!
Muturi is a Mbeere? Of Course but he has washed dishes several times in Gatundu and I doubt he remembers that he is NOT a Kikuyu. If asked by Mama Ngina to jump he asks: How high Mum? :D :D :D They took the file of him being jailed for corruption and kept it somewhere in Gatundu as they did that of Sonko.
Mwathethe? Jesus the man has no backbone and is surrounded by Kikuyus. When the boss waits for his deputy to tell him what to say...? Totally emasculated.
The others mentioned are chokora positions that mean zilch
Comptroller of Budget? The one who was threatened to LIE that she gave approval to violate the constitution? Get real Pundit, you are addressing people with brains.
Uhuru is a tribalist who is more rabid than Kibaki.
Ruto is not waiting like Moi for Kenyatta to drop dead. He is taking power. By force. By hook or crook. Who is this MKM. Give me 3 names of the card carrying members. Maybe Ruto get assisinated or something like that...but Ruto is not waiting for GEMA or MKM to make him PORK. He is going to do it himself. MKM/GEMA will be running to make a deal.
Like I told you Ruto is targetting to get 40% of all votes - small tribes that supported Moi/KANU - before any GEMA vote is counted. Once he get 40% of Kenya (Moi Old KANU) - he'll need 10% to make it. Now there are so many 10% - from the big 5 tribes - and so GEMA will be rushing to make a deal. If you're waiting for Ruto to go beg GEMA for support - :D :D then you clearly haven't studied the man like I have. That is why Ruto is busy making crazy trips to former KANU Zones - and just passing to check the GEMA buddies once in a while.
Why is Ruto anti- Raila - Raila came with Luos in NDP & went with MOI's KANU in 2002 rebellion and has kept it as his own. Ruto knows it. Ruto wants it. Once Ruto has taken back OLD GREAT KANU (KADU of 60s) - basically conglomeration of small tribes of kenya - and I think he is about to - COAST & GUSII - once they are safely in - we can close that chapter - and make friends with Raila & Luo people.
Just sit back & relax so Ruto can teach you politics 101. Ruto is about to do the most outstanding political undertaking since KADU-KANU merger of 1966 - combine Non-GEMA+GEMA into one unified force :D :D. Poor Luos people will be left out AGAIN! unless they rebel from Raila Odinga.
MKM is old GEMA hands - Muthaura or Joe Wanjui types - Kibaki agemates - who somehow control Uhuru :) Kuchen insists there is an all-out war on Ruto yet PORK continues to appoint chairmen, ambassadors, etc on 50-50. The real ongoing war is Ruto's attrition and takeover of ODM zones outside Luo.
Keep changing goal posts - whenever Uhuru got a minister - Ruto got a PS. Whenever Ruto got board Chair - Uhuru gets the CEO. Uhuru get the speaker - Ruto get the majority leader. I can go on and on but clearly it waste of time talking to an idiot like you.
Yeap once gov has been shared equally - what more war is left. As far as I know what is pending is Ambassadorial positions. The few replacements. Otherwise Cabinet was shared equally, PS, Boards & Parastals.
The NDP brigade are going to hate Ruto - coz he is driving the last nail. I think Coast is pretty much finished - Joho is left with 3 Mps :).
Next we should go to GUsii - Ruto just need to win two current governors plus get Matiangi to do his thing - and it game shot!
Yeap once gov has been shared equally - what more war is left. As far as I know what is pending is Ambassadorial positions. The few replacements. Otherwise Cabinet was shared equally, PS, Boards & Parastals.
The NDP brigade are going to hate Ruto - coz he is driving the last nail. I think Coast is pretty much finished - Joho is left with 3 Mps :).
Next we should go to GUsii - Ruto just need to win two current governors plus get Matiangi to do his thing - and it game shot!MKM is old GEMA hands - Muthaura or Joe Wanjui types - Kibaki agemates - who somehow control Uhuru :) Kuchen insists there is an all-out war on Ruto yet PORK continues to appoint chairmen, ambassadors, etc on 50-50. The real ongoing war is Ruto's attrition and takeover of ODM zones outside Luo.
Still Omollo will tell you how he "knows politics" :) - while his man Raila is slowly but surely getting taken to the cleaners.
No proof of Ruto-Uhuru or Kalenjin-MKM war
No mkia or sign of any real power for Raila
Massive proof of ODM rout by Ruto
Pundit
You are forgetting your manners like your dumped your intellect: Demonstrate the idiocy with clear arguments. Invective is an attempt to hide massive ignorance. Note also the well researched "psychological projection" which in effect means one oozes insults that reflect his own self. I.e. a person who feels he is an idiot, would most likely label those he knows not to be like him as what he is: Idiot. Sad. Any way you will not derail me one bit.
One can look at the subjective and narrow list you presented and see 50:50. Indeed I have not questioned the 50:50, have I? (Another indication of your failure to pay attention to simple details).
Take the example of Rotich. He is part of 50:50 and proof of Kalenjin/Kikuyu or Kikuyu/Kalenjin framework. I have not contested that contrary to your claim.
MKM simply chose poor quality Kalenjins; Converted or compromised them. Rotich is one such case of a figurehead.
MKM in screwing Ruto also made sure the key ministries remained under their control by hook or crook.
Interesting to know which goals I have shifted...
Debate Pundit. You lack the gravitas to debate OmolloStill Omollo will tell you how he "knows politics" :) - while his man Raila is slowly but surely getting taken to the cleaners.
No proof of Ruto-Uhuru or Kalenjin-MKM war
No mkia or sign of any real power for Raila
Massive proof of ODM rout by Ruto
You don't make sense. Uhuru is the biggest drunk. So if MKM chose Rotich for us - we did an even greater job selecting Uhuru for them. There is nothing like MKM or Kalenjin Mafia. This is not 1930 Chicago. There is of course intense power play - for patronage & money - and I think both Uhuru team & Ruto team have solid experience in GOV to know how things ran. Raila clearly doesn't have that advantage.
If you're hoping the usual daily jostling of power & resources in gov will lead to war - then clearly you don't understand how UhuRuto ran things. Small time PS like Kibicho is now MKM Mafia all in himself :D :D :D - that lowly civil servant who can be fired any day and only his mother or father will protest - he is not a political power player.
You told us Mvurya, Lusaka and other defectors have no gravitas... now Jubilee has more new MPs everywhere -
Luhya, Ukambani, Turkana - snatched from ODM. The future of Raila and ODM looks blique while Ruto's is brighter than ever.
You don't make sense. Uhuru is the biggest drunk. So if MKM chose Rotich for us - we did an even greater job selecting Uhuru for them. There is nothing like MKM or Kalenjin Mafia. This is not 1930 Chicago. There is of course intense power play - for patronage & money - and I think both Uhuru team & Ruto team have solid experience in GOV to know how things ran. Raila clearly doesn't have that advantage.
If you're hoping the usual daily jostling of power & resources in gov will lead to war - then clearly you don't understand how UhuRuto ran things. Small time PS like Kibicho is now MKM Mafia all in himself :D :D :D - that lowly civil servant who can be fired any day and only his mother or father will protest - he is not a political power player.Pundit
You are forgetting your manners like your dumped your intellect: Demonstrate the idiocy with clear arguments. Invective is an attempt to hide massive ignorance. Note also the well researched "psychological projection" which in effect means one oozes insults that reflect his own self. I.e. a person who feels he is an idiot, would most likely label those he knows not to be like him as what he is: Idiot. Sad. Any way you will not derail me one bit.
One can look at the subjective and narrow list you presented and see 50:50. Indeed I have not questioned the 50:50, have I? (Another indication of your failure to pay attention to simple details).
Take the example of Rotich. He is part of 50:50 and proof of Kalenjin/Kikuyu or Kikuyu/Kalenjin framework. I have not contested that contrary to your claim.
MKM simply chose poor quality Kalenjins; Converted or compromised them. Rotich is one such case of a figurehead.
MKM in screwing Ruto also made sure the key ministries remained under their control by hook or crook.
Interesting to know which goals I have shifted...
Pundito-there is RV Mafia but it is all run by Ruto because he is a micro manager. If you finish Ruto the whole crime family falls apart.-However, MKM is real-they have been around for a longer time. They consult and they have night meetings- they sometimes take kiapo and you dismiss them at your own peril. Besides that, ouru also has close-family members including his mother, brother, uncles, cousins and friends who look out for him and who are very powerful. Omollo is right. Ouruto is only 50/50 on paper but the power is really like 90/10 in real life. Ouru controls all the instruments of power and Ruto needs Ouru to do everything that Kibaki did for Ouru for Ruto to also win. All this pundit bragging of how Ruto will get into the presidency through hook or crook is just that.
Uhuru is Ruto chief campaigner. You guys are historical (according to my late grandfather) naive. Anyway let us see how this shadow imaginary war with MKM will work out.
Keep us posted on the scores....RV Mafia versus MKM Mafia..and winner of the match Luo Mafia :) :) your delusion knows no bounds.Pundito-there is RV Mafia but it is all run by Ruto because he is a micro manager. If you finish Ruto the whole crime family falls apart.-However, MKM is real-they have been around for a longer time. They consult and they have night meetings- they sometimes take kiapo and you dismiss them at your own peril. Besides that, ouru also has close-family members including his mother, brother, uncles, cousins and friends who look out for him and who are very powerful. Omollo is right. Ouruto is only 50/50 on paper but the power is really like 90/10 in real life. Ouru controls all the instruments of power and Ruto needs Ouru to do everything that Kibaki did for Ouru for Ruto to also win. All this pundit bragging of how Ruto will get into the presidency through hook or crook is just that.
Uhuru is Ruto chief campaigner. You guys are historical (according to my late grandfather) naive. Anyway let us see how this shadow imaginary war with MKM will work out.
Keep us posted on the scores....RV Mafia versus MKM Mafia..and winner of the match Luo Mafia :) :) your delusion knows no bounds.Pundito-there is RV Mafia but it is all run by Ruto because he is a micro manager. If you finish Ruto the whole crime family falls apart.-However, MKM is real-they have been around for a longer time. They consult and they have night meetings- they sometimes take kiapo and you dismiss them at your own peril. Besides that, ouru also has close-family members including his mother, brother, uncles, cousins and friends who look out for him and who are very powerful. Omollo is right. Ouruto is only 50/50 on paper but the power is really like 90/10 in real life. Ouru controls all the instruments of power and Ruto needs Ouru to do everything that Kibaki did for Ouru for Ruto to also win. All this pundit bragging of how Ruto will get into the presidency through hook or crook is just that.
Here is Ouru campaigning hard for Ruto at the coast. Wake up and smell the coffee.
The same people who doubted Kalenjins would ever work with Okoyu,the same characters who predicted rift in Ouruto are still pursuing this narrative.
Seems like NASA’s strategy is to cross its gonads and hope for a fallout. They are veterans at this with over 6 years experience
That is the clearest overt sign of the #WarAgainstCorruption actually being a #SendRutoHome
Ruto should probably negotiate a golden handshake and go home. This onslaught will be hard to beat.
I am seeing a similar dogged pursuit of false equivalence play out in the US: Whenever Trump is caught in some criminal enterprise or an one comes to light, he and his supporters find a way of blaming Hillary. Pundit cannot see the onslaught on his man without somehow thinking Raila or Raila's supporters think this or that.
He can straight ask me what I think of the #Handshake and from that know if I have the Hyena & the Human hand expectation (that somehow Ruto will go and Raila will benefit!). Has anybody remotely insinuated that? Or is this just some fear in Ruto's supporters built on the fact that Ruto rose to power out of political cannibalism.
Under NARA Ruto was basically a traitor. He spied on ODM for Kibaki and when caught openly shifted to Kibaki. He received lots of money (NIS) to fund his activities to split Rift Valley from ODM.
He rebelled at Naivasha and destroyed the ODM position where they had wanted the West Minster system of government (Parliamentary) as opposed to the Presidential system.
I can go on and on. Finally he is realizing that he has nobody above him to betray other than Uhuru. Raila has made peace with Uhuru so he cannot even use fitina. Like Ekuru Aukot, his relevance is under question. Ruto is a casualty of his own success (at treachery and vendetta) as well as the #Handshake
Anyway Pundit is stunned. He can no longer reason. He is now reduced to a verb, a noun and voodooHere is Ouru campaigning hard for Ruto at the coast. Wake up and smell the coffee.
If Ruto is going to run around campaigning for president then it’s only fair that people take a life style audit on him too. This is the first time Ruto is going to be at the head of a ticket and he has to be ready to attract maximum attention. Raila has had Billions of Kenya shillings spent to demonize him and to cast him as everything bad including a demon. Ruto should not expect a smooth sailing. It’s only June 2018.
The same people who doubted Kalenjins would ever work with Okoyu,the same characters who predicted rift in Ouruto are still pursuing this narrative.
Seems like NASA’s strategy is to cross its gonads and hope for a fallout. They are veterans at this with over 6 years experience
Desperation.If Uhuru say hii Kichana - you make a mountain hill - now he says huyu - you are creating mt everest. If you think someone as sophisticated as Ruto or Uhuru can be found with their hands on the corruption jar then something is wrong with you. The only thing Ruto owns is his parliamentary financed house in Karen and maybe Sugoi. Uhuru is perhaps even more sophisticated. The war on corruption is for small boys and girls..the procurement folks.That is the clearest overt sign of the #WarAgainstCorruption actually being a #SendRutoHome
Ruto should probably negotiate a golden handshake and go home. This onslaught will be hard to beat.
I am seeing a similar dogged pursuit of false equivalence play out in the US: Whenever Trump is caught in some criminal enterprise or an one comes to light, he and his supporters find a way of blaming Hillary. Pundit cannot see the onslaught on his man without somehow thinking Raila or Raila's supporters think this or that.
He can straight ask me what I think of the #Handshake and from that know if I have the Hyena & the Human hand expectation (that somehow Ruto will go and Raila will benefit!). Has anybody remotely insinuated that? Or is this just some fear in Ruto's supporters built on the fact that Ruto rose to power out of political cannibalism.
Under NARA Ruto was basically a traitor. He spied on ODM for Kibaki and when caught openly shifted to Kibaki. He received lots of money (NIS) to fund his activities to split Rift Valley from ODM.
He rebelled at Naivasha and destroyed the ODM position where they had wanted the West Minster system of government (Parliamentary) as opposed to the Presidential system.
I can go on and on. Finally he is realizing that he has nobody above him to betray other than Uhuru. Raila has made peace with Uhuru so he cannot even use fitina. Like Ekuru Aukot, his relevance is under question. Ruto is a casualty of his own success (at treachery and vendetta) as well as the #Handshake
Anyway Pundit is stunned. He can no longer reason. He is now reduced to a verb, a noun and voodooHere is Ouru campaigning hard for Ruto at the coast. Wake up and smell the coffee.
It more than six year - Raila didn't even campaign until late in 2012 - because he thought Kikuyu-Kalenjin merging was like oil & water mixing. Now it's six years now and these guys are busy analyzing every Uhuru speech or non-speech for any sign of fall out.The same people who doubted Kalenjins would ever work with Okoyu,the same characters who predicted rift in Ouruto are still pursuing this narrative.
Seems like NASA’s strategy is to cross its gonads and hope for a fallout. They are veterans at this with over 6 years experience
Raila's people are easily excitable. Instead of blaming uhuru for the death of nasa, they are willingly following to the slaughter house. There is no sign so far that uhuru wont support his deputy.
Raila's people are easily excitable. Instead of blaming uhuru for the death of nasa, they are willingly following to the slaughter house. There is no sign so far that uhuru wont support his deputy.
We do not have a dog in this fight. We are spectators. Ouru and Ruto can only get along if there is Raila to fight. If there is no Raila to fight then Ouru and Ruto have to fight. Its the law of the jungle. Intellectuals call it prisoners dilemma. Read all about it. Makes a lot of sense. Look at it this way. If you have three bulls, two ganging against one and one bull pulls out, then the two bulls who used to gang on the one will now start to fight each other. Its that simple.
If Ruto is going to run around campaigning for president then it’s only fair that people take a life style audit on him too. This is the first time Ruto is going to be at the head of a ticket and he has to be ready to attract maximum attention. Raila has had Billions of Kenya shillings spent to demonize him and to cast him as everything bad including a demon. Ruto should not expect a smooth sailing. It’s only June 2018.The same people who doubted Kalenjins would ever work with Okoyu,the same characters who predicted rift in Ouruto are still pursuing this narrative.
Seems like NASA’s strategy is to cross its gonads and hope for a fallout. They are veterans at this with over 6 years experience
Campaigning does not mean anything if the votes are going to be stolen my friend. Ruto will not even survive to get to the point where his votes are stolen like Raila. Raila will get a lot of respect when history is properly written. The war on corruption will only end when Ruto is politically finished. Everybody else caught in this war on corruption is collateral damage.:lolz: :lolz: :lolz:It more than six year - Raila didn't even campaign until late in 2012 - because he thought Kikuyu-Kalenjin merging was like oil & water mixing. Now it's six years now and these guys are busy analyzing every Uhuru speech or non-speech for any sign of fall out.The same people who doubted Kalenjins would ever work with Okoyu,the same characters who predicted rift in Ouruto are still pursuing this narrative.
Seems like NASA’s strategy is to cross its gonads and hope for a fallout. They are veterans at this with over 6 years experience
Raila's people are easily excitable. Instead of blaming uhuru for the death of nasa, they are willingly following to the slaughter house. There is no sign so far that uhuru wont support his deputy.
This thread has become a circus. Yes, the hustler has fallen out of favor. To Robina's credit, she is not too blinded by loyalty to miss this obvious fact.
We already fought in 2008 and made peace. Why would we fight again & have many people suffer.If Uhuru was to attempt to ran away from the deal - you know RV will erupt - and that will cause domino effect all over the country. You also know Uhuru even if he wanted can never really trust Raila.
omollo try write fictional novels..
This thread has become a circus. Yes, the hustler has fallen out of favor. To Robina's credit, she is not too blinded by loyalty to miss this obvious fact.
You're right Ruto's not guaranteed victory or GEMA support. However he's smart enough to deal with any subborteurs including hyping Raila as the omnipresent ogre. I like his chances. There's a cold war alright, not outright mayhem.
To bitmask's credit he's not blinded to reality by loyalty. Kichwa, Omollo and Pundit are the blind loyalists.
Just the facts. Ouru is going around the country funning the flames for the war on corruption. Usually its the opposition who does that. An incumbent president who want his deputy to succeed him will never do that even if he sincerely want to fight corruption-he would do it quietly within the law and not at political rallies. How do you move from making corruption the political number one enemy of the nation to electing the very personification of corruption in the name of Ruto as president. If you ask Kenyans today to name the most corrupt politician, the overwhelming majority will say Ruto without blinking an eyelid. Ouru knows this that is and that is why he does not have to say Ruto's name any more. "Yule" is enough to get the crowd roaring. Corruption is being fited around Ruto's neck like a tire and sooner or later its going to be lit to burn. Do not hate the messenger.
This is cold war not hot bloodletting ala 2008. More like the Moi 70s. It proves Ruto is the man to beat just like Moi was. Ruto knows this and his own men have said as much: that the war on corruption is aimed at him.
I like his mitigation strategy which is 1)play the fool and stay 'loyal' to Uhuru and make it hard to paint him as kimundu which is still Raila's monkey 2)continue to consolidate his base independent of GEMA by routing ODM everywhere. Control of the non-GEMA is what he needs to deal with non-committal Uhuru and jilted Raila.
Now go ahead and tell us how rigging will do him in... in favor of Gideon Moi :)Just the facts. Ouru is going around the country funning the flames for the war on corruption. Usually its the opposition who does that. An incumbent president who want his deputy to succeed him will never do that even if he sincerely want to fight corruption-he would do it quietly within the law and not at political rallies. How do you move from making corruption the political number one enemy of the nation to electing the very personification of corruption in the name of Ruto as president. If you ask Kenyans today to name the most corrupt politician, the overwhelming majority will say Ruto without blinking an eyelid. Ouru knows this that is and that is why he does not have to say Ruto's name any more. "Yule" is enough to get the crowd roaring. Corruption is being fited around Ruto's neck like a tire and sooner or later its going to be lit to burn. Do not hate the messenger.
The war on graft can only be dealt with if the three arms of government which is the Executive, Legislature and Judiciary work together in a bid to curb the menace, said deputy president William Ruto.
Ruto said that corruption has hampered development in the country and the only way to tackle it is through the formation of teamwork of the three arms of government.
Speaking on Sunday during Iftar dinner at Showground at Msambweni Constituency Kwale County, Ruto expressed concern for the three arms of government to join hands on the fight against corruption.
“The government is keen on war against graft and therefore need for the three arms of government to collaborate to intensify the fight on corruption in our country,” said Ruto.
The DP said that corruption issues need not to be instigated politically since it is a collective responsibility that involves all government officials.
At the same time, he appealed to political leaders to stop staging the whole issue of corruption by connecting it to some political divisions aligned to their political parties.
"People should desist from the culture of putting blame on someone presumed to be a corrupt person simply because you differ on political matters,”added Ruto.
On the other hand, Ruto said that the government is planning to start a program that will focus on school fees payment for the students learning in vocational training colleges in Kwale County as from September this year.
The students are set to benefit from a sh. 30,000 grant and another sh. 40,000 loan which intends to cover for their school fees to ease their learning process.
"The government will offer sh. 30,000 as grant to the ongoing students from the three polytechnics in the county to cater for their fees hence it is your duty as Kwale leaders to lobby more students to join the institutions,” said Ruto.
The Deputy President noted that the number of students in the polytechnics is worrying and therefore leaders need to talk to parents to take their children to the training colleges so as to attain a substantive number.
Ruto was accompanied by a number of coastal leaders who pledged to support him in the 2022 presidential candidature.
They included Governor Salim Mvurya of Kwale County, Senator Issa Boy (Kwale county), Senator Mohammed Faki (Mombasa County) and the law makers who are Suleiman Dori (Msambweni), Benjamin Tayari (Kinango), Owen Baya (Kilifi North) and Aisha Jumwa (Malindi).
Ruto allies read mischief in war against graft, vow to hit back (https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/William-Ruto-allies-now-read-mischief-in-graft-war/1064-4604296-157bnxf/index.html)
Sooner or later someone was bound to read the huge writing on the wall. Ruto could no longer pretend that he was not the target of the missiles ouru was lobbing occasionally but strategically at him. I am glad he is tired of the charade and is now ready to hit back. The war between Ouru and Ruto is now being fought in the open. May the best man win.
Towards the end of NARA, it was clear that we had been shafted. People had been saying that for quite some time but we ignored. In fact some of us targeted those well-meaning souls who warned us about the shafting for special matusi. We believed and said that "Raila and and Kibaki are enjoying 'equal' power". The delusions continued well in to 2011 when Kibaki started making moves intended to sideline Raila with a view of choosing his own successor.
I have no idea when KM opened his eyes to the reality - a reality is trying with noble intentions - to share with Pundit. But I know he was among the last to see the asteroid about to land on our heads.
This therefore is deja vu. When a news media associated with Uhuru publishes a report about Ruto being shafted and his propagandists turn around and blame "ODM Propaganda" and Raila and his retinue. It's like there is a memo to absorb all the blows and ignore all hints to the Drunken Uncle to leave before the family dinner.
Those making the accusations are not ODM. They are Jubilee people. Yet Pundit finds a way to suggest they are ODM.
While Raila wants a referendum for purely noble reasons based on the desire for electoral justice and national unity, GEMA wants the same for reasons of wanting to renege on their promises to Ruto.
Yes on the face of it Ruto has the same power as Uhuru. That in itself should have set all red lights burning hot. Like I said, Ruto has only one card to play: Emigre Kikuyus. It is not a situation GEMA wants and they would like to see it resolved. If they have to give him power, they want to exercise (as Churchill said about Kenya's independence before Mau Mau) : Magnanimity in victory. GEMA does not want an image of having given in to blackmail. They will not appease the beast that is holding their people hostage. The act of holding Kikuyus in RV hostage to Ruto's ambitions is in itself proof that Ruto is not honest nor are his intentions noble (that word again! Let's try righteous, virtuous, good, honorable, upright, decent, worthy, moral, ethical, reputable; magnanimous, unselfish, generous). They feel a certain compulsion. If he gets power while holding hostages, he is likely to grow bolder and may not be amenable to return the power when his term of office expires.
Towards the end of NARA, it was clear that we had been shafted. People had been saying that for quite some time but we ignored. In fact some of us targeted those well-meaning souls who warned us about the shafting for special matusi. We believed and said that "Raila and and Kibaki are enjoying 'equal' power". The delusions continued well in to 2011 when Kibaki started making moves intended to sideline Raila with a view of choosing his own successor.
I have no idea when KM opened his eyes to the reality - a reality is trying with noble intentions - to share with Pundit. But I know he was among the last to see the asteroid about to land on our heads.
This therefore is deja vu. When a news media associated with Uhuru publishes a report about Ruto being shafted and his propagandists turn around and blame "ODM Propaganda" and Raila and his retinue. It's like there is a memo to absorb all the blows and ignore all hints to the Drunken Uncle to leave before the family dinner.
Those making the accusations are not ODM. They are Jubilee people. Yet Pundit finds a way to suggest they are ODM.
While Raila wants a referendum for purely noble reasons based on the desire for electoral justice and national unity, GEMA wants the same for reasons of wanting to renege on their promises to Ruto.
Yes on the face of it Ruto has the same power as Uhuru. That in itself should have set all red lights burning hot. Like I said, Ruto has only one card to play: Emigre Kikuyus. It is not a situation GEMA wants and they would like to see it resolved. If they have to give him power, they want to exercise (as Churchill said about Kenya's independence before Mau Mau) : Magnanimity in victory. GEMA does not want an image of having given in to blackmail. They will not appease the beast that is holding their people hostage. The act of holding Kikuyus in RV hostage to Ruto's ambitions is in itself proof that Ruto is not honest nor are his intentions noble (that word again! Let's try righteous, virtuous, good, honorable, upright, decent, worthy, moral, ethical, reputable; magnanimous, unselfish, generous). They feel a certain compulsion. If he gets power while holding hostages, he is likely to grow bolder and may not be amenable to return the power when his term of office expires.
I’m quoting this for posterity sake because it is Omorlo’s finest.
Diaspora Okoyu are overrated as a factor. Supposing Uhuru let them burn. Then what?
1. Ruto and his cohorts would see jail this time with the government firmly on ICC side.
2. Next, all avenues of looting would be shut to RV and I doubt they are interested.
3. Who in their right mind would support RV against GEMA and the rest of Kenya?
If Uhuru is still with Ruto,it’s not out of Diaspora Okoyu but rather because he is a gentleman. If he is against him then it must be because Baba has bigger capital than Ruto,and Uhunye is seriously weighing this option. The fact that Uhuru worked with Ruto tells me nothing is impossible.
I’m quoting this for posterity sake because it is Omorlo’s finest.
Diaspora Okoyu are overrated as a factor. Supposing Uhuru let them burn. Then what?
1. Ruto and his cohorts would see jail this time with the government firmly on ICC side.
2. Next, all avenues of looting would be shut to RV and I doubt they are interested.
3. Who in their right mind would support RV against GEMA and the rest of Kenya?
If Uhuru is still with Ruto,it’s not out of Diaspora Okoyu but rather because he is a gentleman. If he is against him then it must be because Baba has bigger capital than Ruto,and Uhunye is seriously weighing this option. The fact that Uhuru worked with Ruto tells me nothing is impossible.
So called diaspora threat is one of the funnier rationales I have seen advanced. Suppose kamwana keeps his end of the bargain(he won’t :D) and folks refuse to vote for a thug who shares no kinship and IEBC refuses to come the rescue. Will they attack Kijuyus in RV in a post-handshake Kenya? To what end? I mean they did with one of their own in power in the 90s and it didn’t change nothing.
Vooke, I don't think you understand RV or Kalenjin to be precise. Ruto won't be guilty of anything. He doesn't need to incite anybody. He doesn't need to finance anybody. He doesn't need Mungiki or any orgnisation. Any case take to ICC will similarly fail. The last case failed because there was simply no evidence that Kibaki had on Ruto - no organisation - nothing - ICC had to invent something they call the network :). RVs are warrior community - maybe you can relate Maasai spontaneously attacking you and you really can't go and say XYZ organize the maasai morans. The reason is warriors are trained every year & regimented as some standing army - even now in peace every Kalenjin knows there is generation whose job would be go to war at the sound of a war cry - the motive is there -the long standing grievance & distaste for kikuyus & others occupying what I they regard as their ancestral land - is enough incitement - leave alone betraying Ruto after they've supported Uhuru. I think GEMA now clearly understands that - in 90s - they thought Moi had some private militia unleashing violence - and in 2007 - they clearly understood what capacity those loose warriors acting on the spur of moment can do - I mean Kibaki had all instruments of power/NIS/DCS - name them - and yet he was left helpless - more than half a million of his people were kicked out in a week - and he had to deal!! - and that was Raila war.
GEMA betraying Ruto would spark such a war it would make 2007 look like a walk in the park.
Now they are two things that could happen if UhuRuto fallout.1) Ruto can go ahead and win in another coalition - GEMA diaspora in RV would be damned.2) Ruto can loose & new Uhuru coalition say with Raila wins - and then Ruto will play his role in opposition- GEMA diaspora would be more damned.I’m quoting this for posterity sake because it is Omorlo’s finest.
Diaspora Okoyu are overrated as a factor. Supposing Uhuru let them burn. Then what?
1. Ruto and his cohorts would see jail this time with the government firmly on ICC side.
2. Next, all avenues of looting would be shut to RV and I doubt they are interested.
3. Who in their right mind would support RV against GEMA and the rest of Kenya?
If Uhuru is still with Ruto,it’s not out of Diaspora Okoyu but rather because he is a gentleman. If he is against him then it must be because Baba has bigger capital than Ruto,and Uhunye is seriously weighing this option. The fact that Uhuru worked with Ruto tells me nothing is impossible.
I think Kalenjin warriors are overrated. Ruto is being shafted, okuyu diaspora will not have to rudisha mkono, and nothing will happen to the okuyu hostages.
Vooke, I don't think you understand RV or Kalenjin to be precise. Ruto won't be guilty of anything. He doesn't need to incite anybody. He doesn't need to finance anybody. He doesn't need Mungiki or any orgnisation. Any case take to ICC will similarly fail. The last case failed because there was simply no evidence that Kibaki had on Ruto - no organisation - nothing - ICC had to invent something they call the network :). RVs are warrior community - maybe you can relate Maasai spontaneously attacking you and you really can't go and say XYZ organize the maasai morans. The reason is warriors are trained every year & regimented as some standing army - even now in peace every Kalenjin knows there is generation whose job would be go to war at the sound of a war cry - the motive is there -the long standing grievance & distaste for kikuyus & others occupying what I they regard as their ancestral land - is enough incitement - leave alone betraying Ruto after they've supported Uhuru. I think GEMA now clearly understands that - in 90s - they thought Moi had some private militia unleashing violence - and in 2007 - they clearly understood what capacity those loose warriors acting on the spur of moment can do - I mean Kibaki had all instruments of power/NIS/DCS - name them - and yet he was left helpless - more than half a million of his people were kicked out in a week - and he had to deal!! - and that was Raila war.
GEMA betraying Ruto would spark such a war it would make 2007 look like a walk in the park.
Now they are two things that could happen if UhuRuto fallout.1) Ruto can go ahead and win in another coalition - GEMA diaspora in RV would be damned.2) Ruto can loose & new Uhuru coalition say with Raila wins - and then Ruto will play his role in opposition- GEMA diaspora would be more damned.I’m quoting this for posterity sake because it is Omorlo’s finest.
Diaspora Okoyu are overrated as a factor. Supposing Uhuru let them burn. Then what?
1. Ruto and his cohorts would see jail this time with the government firmly on ICC side.
2. Next, all avenues of looting would be shut to RV and I doubt they are interested.
3. Who in their right mind would support RV against GEMA and the rest of Kenya?
If Uhuru is still with Ruto,it’s not out of Diaspora Okoyu but rather because he is a gentleman. If he is against him then it must be because Baba has bigger capital than Ruto,and Uhunye is seriously weighing this option. The fact that Uhuru worked with Ruto tells me nothing is impossible.
I’m quoting this for posterity sake because it is Omorlo’s finest.
Diaspora Okoyu are overrated as a factor. Supposing Uhuru let them burn. Then what?
1. Ruto and his cohorts would see jail this time with the government firmly on ICC side.
2. Next, all avenues of looting would be shut to RV and I doubt they are interested.
3. Who in their right mind would support RV against GEMA and the rest of Kenya?
If Uhuru is still with Ruto,it’s not out of Diaspora Okoyu but rather because he is a gentleman. If he is against him then it must be because Baba has bigger capital than Ruto,and Uhunye is seriously weighing this option. The fact that Uhuru worked with Ruto tells me nothing is impossible.
So called diaspora threat is one of the funnier rationales I have seen advanced. Suppose kamwana keeps his end of the bargain(he won’t :D) and folks refuse to vote for a thug who shares no kinship and IEBC refuses to come the rescue. Will they attack Kijuyus in RV in a post-handshake Kenya? To what end? I mean they did with one of their own in power in the 90s and it didn’t change nothing.
I think Kalenjin warriors are overrated. Ruto is being shafted, okuyu diaspora will not have to rudisha mkono, and nothing will happen to the okuyu hostages.Vooke, I don't think you understand RV or Kalenjin to be precise. Ruto won't be guilty of anything. He doesn't need to incite anybody. He doesn't need to finance anybody. He doesn't need Mungiki or any orgnisation. Any case take to ICC will similarly fail. The last case failed because there was simply no evidence that Kibaki had on Ruto - no organisation - nothing - ICC had to invent something they call the network :). RVs are warrior community - maybe you can relate Maasai spontaneously attacking you and you really can't go and say XYZ organize the maasai morans. The reason is warriors are trained every year & regimented as some standing army - even now in peace every Kalenjin knows there is generation whose job would be go to war at the sound of a war cry - the motive is there -the long standing grievance & distaste for kikuyus & others occupying what I they regard as their ancestral land - is enough incitement - leave alone betraying Ruto after they've supported Uhuru. I think GEMA now clearly understands that - in 90s - they thought Moi had some private militia unleashing violence - and in 2007 - they clearly understood what capacity those loose warriors acting on the spur of moment can do - I mean Kibaki had all instruments of power/NIS/DCS - name them - and yet he was left helpless - more than half a million of his people were kicked out in a week - and he had to deal!! - and that was Raila war.
GEMA betraying Ruto would spark such a war it would make 2007 look like a walk in the park.
Now they are two things that could happen if UhuRuto fallout.1) Ruto can go ahead and win in another coalition - GEMA diaspora in RV would be damned.2) Ruto can loose & new Uhuru coalition say with Raila wins - and then Ruto will play his role in opposition- GEMA diaspora would be more damned.I’m quoting this for posterity sake because it is Omorlo’s finest.
Diaspora Okoyu are overrated as a factor. Supposing Uhuru let them burn. Then what?
1. Ruto and his cohorts would see jail this time with the government firmly on ICC side.
2. Next, all avenues of looting would be shut to RV and I doubt they are interested.
3. Who in their right mind would support RV against GEMA and the rest of Kenya?
If Uhuru is still with Ruto,it’s not out of Diaspora Okoyu but rather because he is a gentleman. If he is against him then it must be because Baba has bigger capital than Ruto,and Uhunye is seriously weighing this option. The fact that Uhuru worked with Ruto tells me nothing is impossible.
Termie summarized Bensouda’s woes nicely; she was up and against a functioning government,and not just The Hague 5. While I doubt Ruto’s culpability, I can’t ignore the extremely generous hand Kibaki,and later Uhuruto government lent him. I sometimes try to imagine a similar scenario without the givernment’s hand. Unpretty.
The only person who thinks Okoyu Diaspors matters are Kales. Haven’t heard anyone shiet scared. Maybe they forgot 2008,or better, they are more than ready to crush a repeat.
I think Kalenjin warriors are overrated. Ruto is being shafted, okuyu diaspora will not have to rudisha mkono, and nothing will happen to the okuyu hostages.
Why would Kibaki help Ruto against his people. There was simply no evidence that could nail Ruto or Kosgey or Sang. Gov cannot protect kikuyu diaspora - it couldn't in 2008 - and it cannot now. What will protect them is political settlement like Jubilee/UhuRuto. I don't see how Uhuru can be so foolish as to start a war with Ruto & by extension spark a war btw Kalenjin & Kikuyus? For what end? To make Raila PORK?Termie summarized Bensouda’s woes nicely; she was up and against a functioning government,and not just The Hague 5. While I doubt Ruto’s culpability, I can’t ignore the extremely generous hand Kibaki,and later Uhuruto government lent him. I sometimes try to imagine a similar scenario without the givernment’s hand. Unpretty.
The only person who thinks Okoyu Diaspors matters are Kales. Haven’t heard anyone shiet scared. Maybe they forgot 2008,or better, they are more than ready to crush a repeat.
Termie summarized Bensouda’s woes nicely; she was up and against a functioning government,and not just The Hague 5. While I doubt Ruto’s culpability, I can’t ignore the extremely generous hand Kibaki,and later Uhuruto government lent him. I sometimes try to imagine a similar scenario without the givernment’s hand. Unpretty.
The only person who thinks Okoyu Diaspors matters are Kales. Haven’t heard anyone shiet scared. Maybe they forgot 2008,or better, they are more than ready to crush a repeat.
To be honest, attitude towards ICC varied from the very instance the idea was mooted. Ruto at some point wanted to face ICC to clear his name, Baba opposed it when it was convenient,rooted for it when it served his interest. When it was clear that Uhuruto ticket was crystallizing,Kibaki did everything to save them. And when they got into power,they frustrated it to the best of their ability. Maybe even without this support the duo would have been acquitted,but it’s dishonest pretending that they never received any help
It was nothing short of sabotage. The opposite would be a government bending over backwards to incriminate him.
I think Kalenjin warriors are overrated. Ruto is being shafted, okuyu diaspora will not have to rudisha mkono, and nothing will happen to the okuyu hostages.Vooke, I don't think you understand RV or Kalenjin to be precise. Ruto won't be guilty of anything. He doesn't need to incite anybody. He doesn't need to finance anybody. He doesn't need Mungiki or any orgnisation. Any case take to ICC will similarly fail. The last case failed because there was simply no evidence that Kibaki had on Ruto - no organisation - nothing - ICC had to invent something they call the network :). RVs are warrior community - maybe you can relate Maasai spontaneously attacking you and you really can't go and say XYZ organize the maasai morans. The reason is warriors are trained every year & regimented as some standing army - even now in peace every Kalenjin knows there is generation whose job would be go to war at the sound of a war cry - the motive is there -the long standing grievance & distaste for kikuyus & others occupying what I they regard as their ancestral land - is enough incitement - leave alone betraying Ruto after they've supported Uhuru. I think GEMA now clearly understands that - in 90s - they thought Moi had some private militia unleashing violence - and in 2007 - they clearly understood what capacity those loose warriors acting on the spur of moment can do - I mean Kibaki had all instruments of power/NIS/DCS - name them - and yet he was left helpless - more than half a million of his people were kicked out in a week - and he had to deal!! - and that was Raila war.
GEMA betraying Ruto would spark such a war it would make 2007 look like a walk in the park.
Now they are two things that could happen if UhuRuto fallout.1) Ruto can go ahead and win in another coalition - GEMA diaspora in RV would be damned.2) Ruto can loose & new Uhuru coalition say with Raila wins - and then Ruto will play his role in opposition- GEMA diaspora would be more damned.I’m quoting this for posterity sake because it is Omorlo’s finest.
Diaspora Okoyu are overrated as a factor. Supposing Uhuru let them burn. Then what?
1. Ruto and his cohorts would see jail this time with the government firmly on ICC side.
2. Next, all avenues of looting would be shut to RV and I doubt they are interested.
3. Who in their right mind would support RV against GEMA and the rest of Kenya?
If Uhuru is still with Ruto,it’s not out of Diaspora Okoyu but rather because he is a gentleman. If he is against him then it must be because Baba has bigger capital than Ruto,and Uhunye is seriously weighing this option. The fact that Uhuru worked with Ruto tells me nothing is impossible.
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What gov action or in action sabotaged Ruto trial. The trial that had began and gone on for months at ICC - before it collapsed as key witnesses holed up in EU refused to testify.
Uhuru trial never began and big fight was gov stalling Bensauda requests.It was nothing short of sabotage. The opposite would be a government bending over backwards to incriminate him.
Ruto has a big geopolitical leverage over Uhuru. Emigre settlements and Kalenjin warrior tradition are history not a Ruto conspiracy. Pundit doesn't say what would happen if the beneficiary of the Ruto betrayal is Gideon.
Uhuru is non-committal. It's more likely that Ruto will bag a GEMA portion to top up the wembe of non-GEMA yote... as NDP and the Wipers become the new fragmented opposition of the 90s.
Ruto will then have a freehand to run his 5-10 year program without some political debt to GEMA or Uhuru. Just serve Kenya by vision and transformation. You see the Uhuru dither to endorse Ruto that excites Kichwa so much is actually a blessing to make him his own man bila deni la nusu mkate.
Robina. Ruto is very easy to finish. It will only take Ouru one or two tours of GEMA to finish Ruto in GEMA. Once GEMA leaves, Ruto everything else will fall off and Ruto will be left with a Jubilee version of URP. Jubilee is done. Ouru does not need Jubilee anymore. This thread should be kept alive until 2022.
Ruto has a big geopolitical leverage over Uhuru. Emigre settlements and Kalenjin warrior tradition are history not a Ruto conspiracy. Pundit doesn't say what would happen if the beneficiary of the Ruto betrayal is Gideon.
Uhuru is non-committal. It's more likely that Ruto will bag a GEMA portion to top up the wembe of non-GEMA yote... as NDP and the Wipers become the new fragmented opposition of the 90s.
Ruto will then have a freehand to run his 5-10 year program without some political debt to GEMA or Uhuru. Just serve Kenya by vision and transformation. You see the Uhuru dither to endorse Ruto that excites Kichwa so much is actually a blessing to make him his own man bila deni la nusu mkate.
Exactly you've broken it down. Ruto would be stupid to wait for GEMA to back him. That would make him a very weak candidate. His biggest leverage against GEMA is 1) the fate of rv emigre in case of fall out 2) succeed Raila as de-factor non-gema leader -his huge popularity from Mandera to Lunga Lunga - from Malaba to Liboi. He basically right now control most of rv, huge swatche of western, most of the northern kenya and parts of coast - if he nails Gusii (the hardest battle for him) - then would be in such position - it would be GEMA running for him to make a deal.
Once Ruto consolidates non-GEMA he should divide and conquer portions of GEMA, Luhya, Kamba, etc like Moi. No DPORK or special treat for Kikuyu or Luo. We need a PORK with free reign not nusu mkate sham democracy - that way things run smoothly and there is one man to blame or praise for everything. Contra to the propaganda and anti corruption crescendo Ruto is a visionary who will do wonders for Kenya. ]
That is real fear about Ruto - people know he is such a terrific (terrifying) political talent - and once he become PORK - he will certainly control all levers of power. Ruto is nearest we have of a Kagame - a leader who knows what it takes to transform the country & who won't take BS. Uhuru is happy lucky go guy and is fortunate to have Ruto stepping in to ran GoK machinery.
Uhuru's vision and performance is essentially Ruto-powered. Jubilee runs on URP manifesto. Else Raila would have rained mayhem on the party with Okoa and his typical kisirani. Yet the fool has the temerity to pee on Ruto.
A Kagame-Meles combo is what it takes to leapfrog to mid-income. Complete with Marshall Plans, eminent domain, etc. Folks need to be lined up for the "greater good" development synergy. A few churas will be deported to Canada... hopefully not senile Raila :) Ruto is a visionary Moi. Kibaki kind of economics - "working nation" - bila political acumen quickly descended into chaos.That is real fear about Ruto - people know he is such a terrific (terrifying) political talent - and once he become PORK - he will certainly control all levers of power. Ruto is nearest we have of a Kagame - a leader who knows what it takes to transform the country & who won't take BS. Uhuru is happy lucky go guy and is fortunate to have Ruto stepping in to ran GoK machinery.
Ruto is no Mele or Kageme. Ruto is a thief. Other than stealing and building a personal empire based on corruption proceeds, there is nothing in Ruto's record to support your obsession with him. Ouru has no vision and I do not understand what performance that you speak of. Ouru's only chance at legacy is fighting corruption in the name of taming Ruto.Uhuru's vision and performance is essentially Ruto-powered. Jubilee runs on URP manifesto. Else Raila would have rained mayhem on the party with Okoa and his typical kisirani. Yet the fool has the temerity to pee on Ruto.
A Kagame-Meles combo is what it takes to leapfrog to mid-income. Complete with Marshall Plans, eminent domain, etc. Folks need to be lined up for the "greater good" development synergy. A few churas will be deported to Canada... hopefully not senile Raila :) Ruto is a visionary Moi. Kibaki kind of economics - "working nation" - bila political acumen quickly descended into chaos.That is real fear about Ruto - people know he is such a terrific (terrifying) political talent - and once he become PORK - he will certainly control all levers of power. Ruto is nearest we have of a Kagame - a leader who knows what it takes to transform the country & who won't take BS. Uhuru is happy lucky go guy and is fortunate to have Ruto stepping in to ran GoK machinery.
Meantime Raila is doing a roll-call... he'll find an open mutiny leaving him with NDP.
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Ruto is no Mele or Kageme. Ruto is a thief. Other than stealing and building a personal empire based on corruption proceeds, there is nothing in Ruto's record to support your obsession with him. Ouru has no vision and I do not understand what performance that you speak of. Ouru's only chance at legacy is fighting corruption in the name of taming Ruto.
Ruto is no Mele or Kageme. Ruto is a thief. Other than stealing and building a personal empire based on corruption proceeds, there is nothing in Ruto's record to support your obsession with him. Ouru has no vision and I do not understand what performance that you speak of. Ouru's only chance at legacy is fighting corruption in the name of taming Ruto.
He is Kagame and Kagame is good is fact free gaslighting. The facts aside, it boggles the mind why anyone would wish a Kagame on a country. The puny gains in Rwanda are not enough to prevent the disaster awaiting Kagame's exit.
I agree with you that Kagame is bad for Rwanda for the reasons you stated but my argument to Robina was that Ruto is not capable of marshalling the political juggernaut hold on Kenya that Kagame has been able to put together in Rwanda in order to achieve the so called fruits of benevolent dictatorship that the likes of Robina admires so much.Ruto is no Mele or Kageme. Ruto is a thief. Other than stealing and building a personal empire based on corruption proceeds, there is nothing in Ruto's record to support your obsession with him. Ouru has no vision and I do not understand what performance that you speak of. Ouru's only chance at legacy is fighting corruption in the name of taming Ruto.
He is Kagame and Kagame is good is fact free gaslighting. The facts aside, it boggles the mind why anyone would wish a Kagame on a country. The puny gains in Rwanda are not enough to prevent the disaster awaiting Kagame's exit.
Ruto has the vision and political acumen to pull a transformation. Most leaders have one or the other. Don't belabor the point. What qualities do the competitors have?
Ruto has the vision and political acumen to pull a transformation. Most leaders have one or the other. Don't belabor the point. What qualities do the competitors have?
Robina-that Ruto only exists in Pundits head.Ruto has the vision and political acumen to pull a transformation. Most leaders have one or the other. Don't belabor the point. What qualities do the competitors have?
I think Ruto is more Meles Zenawi than Kagame. Kagame is an action man - quintessentially military man who get stuff done with precision - he has no intellectual pent like Meles or Ruto.Ruto has the vision and political acumen to pull a transformation. Most leaders have one or the other. Don't belabor the point. What qualities do the competitors have?
As Raila & Ruto shadow box - Gema respond to Raila - and tell him to keep off Jubilee/
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/06/17/stop-attacking-ruto-jubilee-leaders-tell-bad-mannered-raila_c1774105
As Raila & Ruto shadow box - Gema respond to Raila - and tell him to keep off Jubilee/
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/06/17/stop-attacking-ruto-jubilee-leaders-tell-bad-mannered-raila_c1774105
The GEMA men were brutal on Raila. Basically they told him to fix ODM and NASA first. And these are the same people who have reportedly deserted Ruto??
Funny... so many ODM members have crossed over to Ruto during Handshake - yet zero Jubilee members have gone to Raila.As Raila & Ruto shadow box - Gema respond to Raila - and tell him to keep off Jubilee/
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/06/17/stop-attacking-ruto-jubilee-leaders-tell-bad-mannered-raila_c1774105
I like a Ruto but to be honest, his claim to fame is restoring Kanu era plunder that his community so badly missed after a decade break from power. Ruto is no visionary of any sort,and if he is, he is yet to prove it. It seems to me that all he is interested in is State House
You are looking at lagging indicators while we are looking at leading indicators.
You man is doing so well he having his second crisis meeting in mombasa in a month; NASA died; ODM is dying; And man is neither in opposition or gov. What a dilemma. Meanwhile Ruto is adding and adding more support to his base...You are looking at lagging indicators while we are looking at leading indicators.
Trojan horse 1 worked because with Luo-only NDP Raila could only gain. Trojan 2 is a disaster as the fickle swing regions in ODM are also free to swing... right into Ruto's corner. Kichwa is undistracted by these minor details of the ODM immolation - as he focuses fulltime on the Uhuru-Ruto "all out war" :)
Trojan horse really only worked because senile Moi mishandled his succession leading to a rebellion. Either way KANU was going to implode because Moi had promised so many people they would succeed him only to fish Uhuru from nowhere leading to Raila big break in Politics.Now for Raila to implode Jubilee - which already has a presidential candidates - perhaps he can play around with Ruto's deputy - which really won't work.
Anyway Raila gameplan is to entice Uhuru with constitutional change that would allow him to continue as PM. However even if that was to happen Uhuru would rather do Medved-Putin with Ruto than Raila.
Raila game is like a book pple have read back to back. He has no tricks people cannot read. His game is over. The sooner he retires the better for Kichwa.
He knows Kenyans won't accept to prolong the Kenyatta reign. Uhuru himself has opposed referendum. The idea is just to drive a wedge in Jubilee. Sadly for him Ruto long did his homework and lined up GEMA allies. Amazingly it's ODM holding crisis meetings not Jubilee.
The other open card is to up the "Ruto ni mwizi" chorus. I'm told Loudmouth Luos are having a field day with this: chanting anti-Ruto slogans at every town- and village baraza. That Ruto owns a company called Ol-Tororei - which means Liwe Liwalo in Kalenjin :D. Apparently this company is ACME, Inc - supplying GoK with everything - pens, tissue, teabags, name it... at hefty prices of course. This enables Ruto to buy helicopters and bribe supporters.
Ergo Ruto is a thief who cannot be trusted. We must wait for Raila to annoint the next PORK... to rescue us from Big Bad Ruto.Trojan horse really only worked because senile Moi mishandled his succession leading to a rebellion. Either way KANU was going to implode because Moi had promised so many people they would succeed him only to fish Uhuru from nowhere leading to Raila big break in Politics.Now for Raila to implode Jubilee - which already has a presidential candidates - perhaps he can play around with Ruto's deputy - which really won't work.
Anyway Raila gameplan is to entice Uhuru with constitutional change that would allow him to continue as PM. However even if that was to happen Uhuru would rather do Medved-Putin with Ruto than Raila.
Raila game is like a book pple have read back to back. He has no tricks people cannot read. His game is over. The sooner he retires the better for Kichwa.
Robina, For every Gema ally Ruto has, there are several Gema politicians who are ready, eager and willing to replace them as soon as they get the signal from Ouru. If Ouru sends a strong signal today that he is no longer backing Ruto, then those Ruto allies in central will start melting like ice out of refrigerator. Once Ruto loses, central, he is done-cooked and you can pork him with a fork. Ruto needs Ouru solidly behind him 100%. Ouru is toying with him like a cat and then one day, when he gets the clearance from NIS, Bam!!.
I saw a video of Raila about a character fond of kutangatanga. If I didn't know any better, I would have thought Raila and kamwana are reading from the same script.
:D :D :D I think Uhuru is toying with Raila... as Ruto sharpens the knife.
Seriously I think you're wrong. With most non-GEMA in his corner Ruto does not need Uhuru/GEMA 100% to win. Uhuru's non-committal ambivalence is good enough. The rest about what Uhuru will do or not - do anti-Ruto rounds, etc - is pure conjecture.Robina, For every Gema ally Ruto has, there are several Gema politicians who are ready, eager and willing to replace them as soon as they get the signal from Ouru. If Ouru sends a strong signal today that he is no longer backing Ruto, then those Ruto allies in central will start melting like ice out of refrigerator. Once Ruto loses, central, he is done-cooked and you can pork him with a fork. Ruto needs Ouru solidly behind him 100%. Ouru is toying with him like a cat and then one day, when he gets the clearance from NIS, Bam!!.
Uhuru will not fight corruption seriously cause he's corrupt and his extended family is also very corrupt. If kinyua is the one influencing NYS payments to uhuru's uncle firm, doesn't that show uhuru is actually the problem. Also I'd imagine Ruto also has files on uhuru that he can also unleash. Corruption starts with budgeting where uhuru is involved. Nobody is scared of uhuru in central anymore and his influence is waning. Maybe I hang around the wrong gemas but of late everyone is worried about the economy and lack of dynamism. The likes of Governor for Laikipia might surprise some people and become very influential in mount kenya region.
This is what Kichwa et al are saying : it's a war against Ruto, not corruption. What they don't say is how Ruto would not hit back. The man is cunning and entrenched in GoK, Parliament, the counties, etc. Looking at the strong allies Ruto has in Central alone tells me Uhuru is not at war with Ruto. It's more like stepping aside or going lukewarm with fake hurdles to create the impression Ruto is an outsider.
The only significant event og the Handshake is the sudden death of ODM. I hear half the members didn't show up for the crisis retreat.Uhuru will not fight corruption seriously cause he's corrupt and his extended family is also very corrupt. If kinyua is the one influencing NYS payments to uhuru's uncle firm, doesn't that show uhuru is actually the problem. Also I'd imagine Ruto also has files on uhuru that he can also unleash. Corruption starts with budgeting where uhuru is involved. Nobody is scared of uhuru in central anymore and his influence is waning. Maybe I hang around the wrong gemas but of late everyone is worried about the economy and lack of dynamism. The likes of Governor for Laikipia might surprise some people and become very influential in mount kenya region.
Robina. What is Ruto going to fight Ouru with. MKM is holding all the important organs of the government. Forget about politicians at the coast. Think people. Those politicians you talk about will be rendered useless when rallies begin because they will be boooed down and will not be able to sell Ruto. Once Ruto loses Ouru, Ruto is done.This is what Kichwa et al are saying : it's a war against Ruto, not corruption. What they don't say is how Ruto would not hit back. The man is cunning and entrenched in GoK, Parliament, the counties, etc. Looking at the strong allies Ruto has in Central alone tells me Uhuru is not at war with Ruto. It's more like stepping aside or going lukewarm with fake hurdles to create the impression Ruto is an outsider.
The only significant event of the Handshake is the sudden death of ODM. I hear half the members didn't show up for the crisis retreat.Uhuru will not fight corruption seriously cause he's corrupt and his extended family is also very corrupt. If kinyua is the one influencing NYS payments to uhuru's uncle firm, doesn't that show uhuru is actually the problem. Also I'd imagine Ruto also has files on uhuru that he can also unleash. Corruption starts with budgeting where uhuru is involved. Nobody is scared of uhuru in central anymore and his influence is waning. Maybe I hang around the wrong gemas but of late everyone is worried about the economy and lack of dynamism. The likes of Governor for Laikipia might surprise some people and become very influential in mount kenya region.
I think you mean the security or judicial organs - NIS, DCI, DPP, AG, etc. Ruto being DPORK has eyes and ears all over too. The IG and many cops for instance. Also Ruto has the Majority Leaders in both chambers and the Senate Speaker. Many strategic allies. Uhuru's complicity in corruption makes this a political fight which is where the many allies come in. You can already see how it's all playing out in Parliament, the and media and the streets.
I don't know what you mean that Ruto's GEMA allies will be booed or cowed. One, Uhuru is not openly hostile to Ruto, it's more of a cold war. His real intentions remain to be seen. Two, Ruto has a big non-GEMA alliance backing him which would defy Uhuru. The ODM stampede is a very strong pointer of this. It's amazing that you dismiss it. Uhuru abandoning Ruto would be seen as dynasty vs the outsider and the Ruto campaign would not collapse.
I don't put it beyond Uhuru and GEMA to hatch vicious machinations but I don't sense it in the works nor underrate Ruto.Robina. What is Ruto going to fight Ouru with. MKM is holding all the important organs of the government. Forget about politicians at the coast. Think people. Those politicians you talk about will be rendered useless when rallies begin because they will be boooed down and will not be able to sell Ruto. Once Ruto loses Ouru, Ruto is done.This is what Kichwa et al are saying : it's a war against Ruto, not corruption. What they don't say is how Ruto would not hit back. The man is cunning and entrenched in GoK, Parliament, the counties, etc. Looking at the strong allies Ruto has in Central alone tells me Uhuru is not at war with Ruto. It's more like stepping aside or going lukewarm with fake hurdles to create the impression Ruto is an outsider.
The only significant event of the Handshake is the sudden death of ODM. I hear half the members didn't show up for the crisis retreat.Uhuru will not fight corruption seriously cause he's corrupt and his extended family is also very corrupt. If kinyua is the one influencing NYS payments to uhuru's uncle firm, doesn't that show uhuru is actually the problem. Also I'd imagine Ruto also has files on uhuru that he can also unleash. Corruption starts with budgeting where uhuru is involved. Nobody is scared of uhuru in central anymore and his influence is waning. Maybe I hang around the wrong gemas but of late everyone is worried about the economy and lack of dynamism. The likes of Governor for Laikipia might surprise some people and become very influential in mount kenya region.
I think you mean the security or judicial organs - NIS, DCI, DPP, AG, etc. Ruto being DPORK has eyes and ears all over too. The IG and many cops for instance. Also Ruto has the Majority Leaders in both chambers and the Senate Speaker. Many strategic allies. Uhuru's complicity in corruption makes this a political fight which is where the many allies come in. You can already see how it's all playing out in Parliament, the and media and the streets.
I don't know what you mean that Ruto's GEMA allies will be booed or cowed. One, Uhuru is not openly hostile to Ruto, it's more of a cold war. His real intentions remain to be seen. Two, Ruto has a big non-GEMA alliance backing him which would defy Uhuru. The ODM stampede is a very strong pointer of this. It's amazing that you dismiss it. Uhuru abandoning Ruto would be seen as dynasty vs the outsider and the Ruto campaign would not collapse.
I don't put it beyond Uhuru and GEMA to hatch vicious machinations but I don't sense it in the works nor underrate Ruto.
Mr Kingi is said to have explained to members that his dalliance with Mr Ruto followed Mr Odinga’s resolve to work with the government.
Kichwa and bitmask - iko sida ODM. As the Ruto non-GEMA alliance expands. Already they are sticking out their necks for Ruto in face of party "discipline". Suleiman Dori is to be stripped of the Coast Parliamentary Group leadership.
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Very funny - they are working with Ruto in the spirit of the Handshake :DQuoteMr Kingi is said to have explained to members that his dalliance with Mr Ruto followed Mr Odinga’s resolve to work with the government.
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Very funny - they are working with Ruto in the spirit of the Handshake :DQuoteMr Kingi is said to have explained to members that his dalliance with Mr Ruto followed Mr Odinga’s resolve to work with the government.
The “leaders” will stick their necks out if you pay them enough. That guy on the street is who I have in mind. I’d be shocked if he’d line up for teargas and bullets in the name of Ruto. I am not even sure the Kalenjin hoipoloi would take teargas in his name.
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Kichwa and bitmask - iko sida ODM. As the Ruto non-GEMA alliance expands. Already they are sticking out their necks for Ruto in face of party "discipline". Suleiman Dori is to be stripped of the Coast Parliamentary Group leadership.
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Very funny - they are working with Ruto in the spirit of the Handshake :DQuoteMr Kingi is said to have explained to members that his dalliance with Mr Ruto followed Mr Odinga’s resolve to work with the government.
The “leaders” will stick their necks out if you pay them enough. That guy on the street is who I have in mind. I’d be shocked if he’d line up for teargas and bullets in the name of Ruto. I am not even sure the Kalenjin hoipoloi would take teargas in his name.
Well, as we saw on October 26th and more recently before the Handshake, only Luo youth will take teargas and bullets for Raila. As the Kalenjin will do for Ruto and possibly Mungiki for Uhuru. When it comes to the hoi polloi only tribesmates will take the risk. Not even Raila transcends that line.
On the political class, the top three have many psycophants. Ruto is fast replacing Raila as the man who cuts across the regions.
Ruto has yet to run even a single nationwide presidential election as the head of the ticket and yet you are putting him on the league of Raila and Ouru. He just bought some leaders who have not demonstrated that they can win elections on their own. Most of the leaders that Ruto is buying won on Raila and Ouru cocktails and will lose when they switch allegiance. Ruto still has a long way to prove himself. Both Ruto and Ouru spend too much energy fighting ICC and Raila and in the end they ended up destroying Kenya and their political legacy. Ouru will finish Ruto and then he will be done too. The ouruto era will end like a Greek tragedy.Kichwa and bitmask - iko sida ODM. As the Ruto non-GEMA alliance expands. Already they are sticking out their necks for Ruto in face of party "discipline". Suleiman Dori is to be stripped of the Coast Parliamentary Group leadership.
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Very funny - they are working with Ruto in the spirit of the Handshake :DQuoteMr Kingi is said to have explained to members that his dalliance with Mr Ruto followed Mr Odinga’s resolve to work with the government.
The “leaders” will stick their necks out if you pay them enough. That guy on the street is who I have in mind. I’d be shocked if he’d line up for teargas and bullets in the name of Ruto. I am not even sure the Kalenjin hoipoloi would take teargas in his name.
Well, as we saw on October 26th and more recently before the Handshake, only Luo youth will take teargas and bullets for Raila. As the Kalenjin will do for Ruto and possibly Mungiki for Uhuru. When it comes to the hoi polloi only tribesmates will take the risk. Not even Raila transcends that line.
On the political class, the top three have many psycophants. Ruto is fast replacing Raila as the man who cuts across the regions.
Ruto orchestrated the merger and brought in the defectors. He and Raila are the men - Uhuru is the pampered freeloader since Kanu days. Never worked for anything. Even now he's unable to make up his mind on whether he wants Ruto to succeed him; between his handlers, the MKM and Raila agendas he's thoroughly confused. I heard Oscar Sudi saying he supports the lifestyle audit provided it starts with Mzee Jomo :) Basically reminding Uhuru of his own glass house.Ruto has yet to run even a single nationwide presidential election as the head of the ticket and yet you are putting him on the league of Raila and Ouru. He just bought some leaders who have not demonstrated that they can win elections on their own. Most of the leaders that Ruto is buying won on Raila and Ouru cocktails and will lose when they switch allegiance. Ruto still has a long way to prove himself. Both Ruto and Ouru spend too much energy fighting ICC and Raila and in the end they ended up destroying Kenya and their political legacy. Ouru will finish Ruto and then he will be done too. The ouruto era will end like a Greek tragedy.Kichwa and bitmask - iko sida ODM. As the Ruto non-GEMA alliance expands. Already they are sticking out their necks for Ruto in face of party "discipline". Suleiman Dori is to be stripped of the Coast Parliamentary Group leadership.
ODM threatens action on members who boycotted PG
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Very funny - they are working with Ruto in the spirit of the Handshake :DQuoteMr Kingi is said to have explained to members that his dalliance with Mr Ruto followed Mr Odinga’s resolve to work with the government.
The “leaders” will stick their necks out if you pay them enough. That guy on the street is who I have in mind. I’d be shocked if he’d line up for teargas and bullets in the name of Ruto. I am not even sure the Kalenjin hoipoloi would take teargas in his name.
Well, as we saw on October 26th and more recently before the Handshake, only Luo youth will take teargas and bullets for Raila. As the Kalenjin will do for Ruto and possibly Mungiki for Uhuru. When it comes to the hoi polloi only tribesmates will take the risk. Not even Raila transcends that line.
On the political class, the top three have many psycophants. Ruto is fast replacing Raila as the man who cuts across the regions.