Raila & Joho wanaona moto pwani

[RV Pundit]

Playing casinos with lives of 1M poor kikuyus settled among Kalenjin is not smart politics. Not unless you find land to resettle them elsewhere or provide security for them in their houses or villages or towns. The day Uhuru betrays Ruto - Kikuyus in RV will mass emigrate to safe places way before any election is held. They've seen it all from 90s till 2013 - and are grateful for the peace & harmony down there.

[Kichwa]

I think Kalenjin warriors are overrated. Ruto is being shafted, okuyu diaspora will not have to rudisha mkono, and nothing will happen to the okuyu hostages.

Vooke, I don't think you understand RV or Kalenjin to be precise. Ruto won't be guilty of anything. He doesn't need to incite anybody. He doesn't need to finance anybody. He doesn't need Mungiki or any orgnisation. Any case take to ICC will similarly fail. The last case failed because there was simply no evidence that Kibaki had on Ruto - no organisation - nothing - ICC had to invent something they call the network .  RVs are warrior community - maybe you can relate Maasai spontaneously attacking you and you really can't go and say XYZ organize the maasai morans. The reason is warriors are trained every year & regimented as some standing army - even now in peace every Kalenjin knows there is generation whose job would be go to war at the sound of a war cry - the motive is there -the long standing grievance & distaste for kikuyus & others occupying what I they regard as their ancestral land - is enough incitement  - leave alone betraying Ruto after they've supported Uhuru. I think GEMA now clearly understands that - in 90s - they thought Moi had some private militia unleashing violence - and in 2007 - they clearly understood what capacity those loose warriors acting on the spur of moment can do - I mean Kibaki had all instruments of power/NIS/DCS - name them - and yet he was left helpless - more than half a million of his people were kicked out in a week - and he had to deal!! - and that was Raila war.

GEMA betraying Ruto would spark such a war it would make 2007 look like a walk in the park.
 
Now they are two things that could happen if UhuRuto fallout.1) Ruto can go ahead and win in another coalition - GEMA diaspora in RV would be damned.2) Ruto can loose & new Uhuru coalition say with Raila wins - and then Ruto will play his role in opposition- GEMA diaspora would be more damned.

[RV Pundit]

When did that all happen

I think Kalenjin warriors are overrated. Ruto is being shafted, okuyu diaspora will not have to rudisha mkono, and nothing will happen to the okuyu hostages.

[vooke]

Vooke, I don't think you understand RV or Kalenjin to be precise. Ruto won't be guilty of anything. He doesn't need to incite anybody. He doesn't need to finance anybody. He doesn't need Mungiki or any orgnisation. Any case take to ICC will similarly fail. The last case failed because there was simply no evidence that Kibaki had on Ruto - no organisation - nothing - ICC had to invent something they call the network .  RVs are warrior community - maybe you can relate Maasai spontaneously attacking you and you really can't go and say XYZ organize the maasai morans. The reason is warriors are trained every year & regimented as some standing army - even now in peace every Kalenjin knows there is generation whose job would be go to war at the sound of a war cry - the motive is there -the long standing grievance & distaste for kikuyus & others occupying what I they regard as their ancestral land - is enough incitement  - leave alone betraying Ruto after they've supported Uhuru. I think GEMA now clearly understands that - in 90s - they thought Moi had some private militia unleashing violence - and in 2007 - they clearly understood what capacity those loose warriors acting on the spur of moment can do - I mean Kibaki had all instruments of power/NIS/DCS - name them - and yet he was left helpless - more than half a million of his people were kicked out in a week - and he had to deal!! - and that was Raila war.

GEMA betraying Ruto would spark such a war it would make 2007 look like a walk in the park.
 
Now they are two things that could happen if UhuRuto fallout.1) Ruto can go ahead and win in another coalition - GEMA diaspora in RV would be damned.2) Ruto can loose & new Uhuru coalition say with Raila wins - and then Ruto will play his role in opposition- GEMA diaspora would be more damned.

[vooke]

[vooke]

I think Kalenjin warriors are overrated. Ruto is being shafted, okuyu diaspora will not have to rudisha mkono, and nothing will happen to the okuyu hostages.

Vooke, I don't think you understand RV or Kalenjin to be precise. Ruto won't be guilty of anything. He doesn't need to incite anybody. He doesn't need to finance anybody. He doesn't need Mungiki or any orgnisation. Any case take to ICC will similarly fail. The last case failed because there was simply no evidence that Kibaki had on Ruto - no organisation - nothing - ICC had to invent something they call the network .  RVs are warrior community - maybe you can relate Maasai spontaneously attacking you and you really can't go and say XYZ organize the maasai morans. The reason is warriors are trained every year & regimented as some standing army - even now in peace every Kalenjin knows there is generation whose job would be go to war at the sound of a war cry - the motive is there -the long standing grievance & distaste for kikuyus & others occupying what I they regard as their ancestral land - is enough incitement  - leave alone betraying Ruto after they've supported Uhuru. I think GEMA now clearly understands that - in 90s - they thought Moi had some private militia unleashing violence - and in 2007 - they clearly understood what capacity those loose warriors acting on the spur of moment can do - I mean Kibaki had all instruments of power/NIS/DCS - name them - and yet he was left helpless - more than half a million of his people were kicked out in a week - and he had to deal!! - and that was Raila war.

GEMA betraying Ruto would spark such a war it would make 2007 look like a walk in the park.
 
Now they are two things that could happen if UhuRuto fallout.1) Ruto can go ahead and win in another coalition - GEMA diaspora in RV would be damned.2) Ruto can loose & new Uhuru coalition say with Raila wins - and then Ruto will play his role in opposition- GEMA diaspora would be more damned.

https://www.facebook.com/ThePolitician001/videos/2055874604668655/

[RV Pundit]

Why would Kibaki help Ruto against his people. There was simply no evidence that could nail Ruto or Kosgey or Sang. Gov cannot protect kikuyu diaspora - it couldn't in 2008 - and it cannot now. What will protect them is political settlement like Jubilee/UhuRuto. I don't see how Uhuru can be so foolish as to start a war with Ruto & by extension spark a war btw Kalenjin & Kikuyus? For what end? To make Raila PORK?

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I think Kalenjin warriors are overrated. Ruto is being shafted, okuyu diaspora will not have to rudisha mkono, and nothing will happen to the okuyu hostages.

[vooke]

Why would Kibaki help Ruto against his people. There was simply no evidence that could nail Ruto or Kosgey or Sang. Gov cannot protect kikuyu diaspora - it couldn't in 2008 - and it cannot now. What will protect them is political settlement like Jubilee/UhuRuto. I don't see how Uhuru can be so foolish as to start a war with Ruto & by extension spark a war btw Kalenjin & Kikuyus? For what end? To make Raila PORK?

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

It was nothing short of sabotage.  The opposite would be a government bending over backwards to incriminate him.

[RV Pundit]

How did it Kibaki help Ruto & Sang case. The battle btw Bensuoda and Gov was with regard with Uhuru - and Kibaki helped Uhuru because Uhuru involved himself with Mungiki. Kibaki actually cooked the evidence that took Ruto to ICC. When they couldn't find any evidence - they simply converted PNU people in North Rift to be witnesses - and the case basically collapse on trial - because the lying witnesses although protected in Europe - withdrew. The only who was later Killed - yebei - was in Kenya all along.

The reality is Ruto has huge leverage against GEMA which explain why he made the deal with Uhuru - he doesn't need to lift a finger - for RVs to harm Kikuyu interest in RV - that is huge leverage - that earned Raila PM. Raila recently attempted street protests and they were of course crushed.

[RV Pundit]

What gov action or in action sabotaged Ruto trial. The trial that had began and gone on for months at ICC - before it collapsed as key witnesses holed up in EU refused to testify.
Uhuru trial never began and big fight was gov stalling Bensauda requests.

It was nothing short of sabotage.  The opposite would be a government bending over backwards to incriminate him.

[Kichwa]

I think Kalenjin warriors are overrated. Ruto is being shafted, okuyu diaspora will not have to rudisha mkono, and nothing will happen to the okuyu hostages.

Vooke, I don't think you understand RV or Kalenjin to be precise. Ruto won't be guilty of anything. He doesn't need to incite anybody. He doesn't need to finance anybody. He doesn't need Mungiki or any orgnisation. Any case take to ICC will similarly fail. The last case failed because there was simply no evidence that Kibaki had on Ruto - no organisation - nothing - ICC had to invent something they call the network .  RVs are warrior community - maybe you can relate Maasai spontaneously attacking you and you really can't go and say XYZ organize the maasai morans. The reason is warriors are trained every year & regimented as some standing army - even now in peace every Kalenjin knows there is generation whose job would be go to war at the sound of a war cry - the motive is there -the long standing grievance & distaste for kikuyus & others occupying what I they regard as their ancestral land - is enough incitement  - leave alone betraying Ruto after they've supported Uhuru. I think GEMA now clearly understands that - in 90s - they thought Moi had some private militia unleashing violence - and in 2007 - they clearly understood what capacity those loose warriors acting on the spur of moment can do - I mean Kibaki had all instruments of power/NIS/DCS - name them - and yet he was left helpless - more than half a million of his people were kicked out in a week - and he had to deal!! - and that was Raila war.

GEMA betraying Ruto would spark such a war it would make 2007 look like a walk in the park.
 
Now they are two things that could happen if UhuRuto fallout.1) Ruto can go ahead and win in another coalition - GEMA diaspora in RV would be damned.2) Ruto can loose & new Uhuru coalition say with Raila wins - and then Ruto will play his role in opposition- GEMA diaspora would be more damned.

https://www.facebook.com/ThePolitician001/videos/2055874604668655/

[Kichwa]

I have seen soldiers survivor a war just to be killed by a local street thug when they come back after the war. Just because Ruto lucked out with ICC does not mean he is invincible.

What gov action or in action sabotaged Ruto trial. The trial that had began and gone on for months at ICC - before it collapsed as key witnesses holed up in EU refused to testify.
Uhuru trial never began and big fight was gov stalling Bensauda requests.

It was nothing short of sabotage.  The opposite would be a government bending over backwards to incriminate him.

[Nefertiti]

Ruto has a big geopolitical leverage over Uhuru. Emigre settlements and Kalenjin warrior tradition are history not a Ruto conspiracy. Pundit doesn't say what would happen if the beneficiary of the Ruto betrayal is Gideon.

Uhuru is non-committal. It's more likely that Ruto will bag a GEMA portion to top up the wembe of non-GEMA yote... as NDP and the Wipers become the new fragmented opposition of the 90s.

Ruto will then have a freehand to run his 5-10 year program without some political debt to GEMA or Uhuru. Just serve Kenya by vision and transformation. You see the Uhuru dither to endorse Ruto that excites Kichwa so much is actually a blessing to make him his own man bila deni la nusu mkate.

[Kichwa]

Robina.  Ruto is very easy to finish.  It will only take Ouru one or two tours of GEMA to finish Ruto in GEMA. Once GEMA leaves, Ruto everything else will fall off and Ruto will be left with a Jubilee version of URP. Jubilee is done. Ouru does not need Jubilee anymore. This thread should be kept alive until 2022.

Ruto has a big geopolitical leverage over Uhuru. Emigre settlements and Kalenjin warrior tradition are history not a Ruto conspiracy. Pundit doesn't say what would happen if the beneficiary of the Ruto betrayal is Gideon.

Uhuru is non-committal. It's more likely that Ruto will bag a GEMA portion to top up the wembe of non-GEMA yote... as NDP and the Wipers become the new fragmented opposition of the 90s.

Ruto will then have a freehand to run his 5-10 year program without some political debt to GEMA or Uhuru. Just serve Kenya by vision and transformation. You see the Uhuru dither to endorse Ruto that excites Kichwa so much is actually a blessing to make him his own man bila deni la nusu mkate.

[RV Pundit]

First for Uhuru to break Jubilee - he has to find a better deal. The deal Raila is dangling we don't know the details - it appears to change the constitution & somehow allow Uhuru to continue as Executive PORK or something close to that. I don't see any other deal that would excite Uhuru.

If UhuRuto were to fall out, Uhuru would face such a huge rebellion esp from RV emigre of Kikuyus. They know from history - when rubber meet the roads - Uhuru's gov won't be there for them.

The big question is who will be running against Ruto in 2022. Raila? MaDVD? Uhuru again? Gideon? I think once you answer that question - then everything else start to make sense.

Robina.  Ruto is very easy to finish.  It will only take Ouru one or two tours of GEMA to finish Ruto in GEMA. Once GEMA leaves, Ruto everything else will fall off and Ruto will be left with a Jubilee version of URP. Jubilee is done. Ouru does not need Jubilee anymore. This thread should be kept alive until 2022.

[RV Pundit]

Exactly you've broken it down. Ruto would be stupid to wait for GEMA to back him. That would make him a very weak candidate. His biggest leverage against GEMA is 1) the fate of rv emigre in case of fall out 2) succeed Raila as de-factor non-gema leader -his huge popularity from Mandera to Lunga Lunga - from Malaba to Liboi. He basically right now control most of rv, huge swatche of western, most of the northern kenya and parts of coast - if he nails Gusii (the hardest battle for him) - then would be in such position - it would be GEMA running for him to make a deal.

Ruto has a big geopolitical leverage over Uhuru. Emigre settlements and Kalenjin warrior tradition are history not a Ruto conspiracy. Pundit doesn't say what would happen if the beneficiary of the Ruto betrayal is Gideon.

Uhuru is non-committal. It's more likely that Ruto will bag a GEMA portion to top up the wembe of non-GEMA yote... as NDP and the Wipers become the new fragmented opposition of the 90s.

Ruto will then have a freehand to run his 5-10 year program without some political debt to GEMA or Uhuru. Just serve Kenya by vision and transformation. You see the Uhuru dither to endorse Ruto that excites Kichwa so much is actually a blessing to make him his own man bila deni la nusu mkate.

[RV Pundit]

https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/1064-4616420-c1n7bsz/index.html

[Nefertiti]

Once Ruto consolidates non-GEMA he should divide and conquer portions of GEMA, Luhya, Kamba, etc like Moi. No DPORK or special treat for Kikuyu or Luo. We need a PORK with free reign not nusu mkate sham democracy - that way things run smoothly and there is one man to blame or praise for everything. Contra to the propaganda and anti corruption crescendo Ruto is a visionary who will do wonders for Kenya.
 

Exactly you've broken it down. Ruto would be stupid to wait for GEMA to back him. That would make him a very weak candidate. His biggest leverage against GEMA is 1) the fate of rv emigre in case of fall out 2) succeed Raila as de-factor non-gema leader -his huge popularity from Mandera to Lunga Lunga - from Malaba to Liboi. He basically right now control most of rv, huge swatche of western, most of the northern kenya and parts of coast - if he nails Gusii (the hardest battle for him) - then would be in such position - it would be GEMA running for him to make a deal.