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Re: Raila & Joho wanaona moto pwani
« Reply #120 on: June 14, 2018, 04:18:34 PM »
Pundito-there is RV Mafia but it is all run by Ruto because he is a micro manager. If you finish Ruto the whole crime family falls apart.-However, MKM is real-they have been around for a longer time. They consult and they have night meetings- they sometimes take kiapo and you dismiss them at your own peril. Besides that, ouru also has close-family members including his mother, brother, uncles, cousins and friends who look out for him and who are very powerful.  Omollo is right. Ouruto is only 50/50 on paper but the power is really like 90/10 in real life. Ouru controls all the instruments of power  and Ruto needs Ouru to do everything that Kibaki did for Ouru for Ruto to also win. All this pundit bragging of how Ruto will get into the presidency through hook or crook is just that.

You don't make sense. Uhuru is the biggest drunk. So if MKM chose Rotich  for us - we did an even greater job selecting Uhuru for them. There is nothing like MKM or Kalenjin Mafia. This is not 1930 Chicago. There is of course intense power play - for patronage & money - and I think both Uhuru team & Ruto team have solid experience in GOV to know how things ran. Raila clearly doesn't have that advantage.

If you're hoping the usual daily jostling of power & resources in gov will lead to war - then clearly you don't understand how UhuRuto ran things. Small time PS like Kibicho is now MKM Mafia all in himself :D :D :D - that lowly civil servant who can be fired any day and only his mother or father will protest - he is not a political power player.

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You are forgetting your manners like your dumped your intellect: Demonstrate the idiocy with clear arguments. Invective is an attempt to hide massive ignorance. Note also the well researched "psychological projection" which in effect means one oozes insults that reflect his own self. I.e. a person who feels he is an idiot, would most likely label those he knows not to be like him as what he is: Idiot. Sad. Any way you will not derail me one bit.
 
One can look at the subjective and narrow list you presented and see 50:50. Indeed I have not questioned the 50:50, have I? (Another indication of your failure to pay attention to simple details).

Take the example of Rotich. He is part of 50:50 and proof of Kalenjin/Kikuyu or Kikuyu/Kalenjin framework. I have not contested that contrary to your claim.

MKM simply chose poor quality Kalenjins; Converted or compromised them. Rotich is one such case of a figurehead.

MKM in screwing Ruto also made sure the key ministries remained under their control by hook or crook.

Interesting to know which goals I have shifted...

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Re: Raila & Joho wanaona moto pwani
« Reply #121 on: June 14, 2018, 05:21:20 PM »
Uhuru is Ruto chief campaigner. You guys are historical (according to my late grandfather) naive. Anyway let us see how this shadow imaginary war with MKM will work out.

Keep us posted on the scores....RV Mafia versus MKM Mafia..and winner of the match Luo Mafia :) :) your delusion knows no bounds.

Pundito-there is RV Mafia but it is all run by Ruto because he is a micro manager. If you finish Ruto the whole crime family falls apart.-However, MKM is real-they have been around for a longer time. They consult and they have night meetings- they sometimes take kiapo and you dismiss them at your own peril. Besides that, ouru also has close-family members including his mother, brother, uncles, cousins and friends who look out for him and who are very powerful.  Omollo is right. Ouruto is only 50/50 on paper but the power is really like 90/10 in real life. Ouru controls all the instruments of power  and Ruto needs Ouru to do everything that Kibaki did for Ouru for Ruto to also win. All this pundit bragging of how Ruto will get into the presidency through hook or crook is just that.

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Re: Raila & Joho wanaona moto pwani
« Reply #122 on: June 14, 2018, 10:49:23 PM »
Here is Ouru campaigning hard  for Ruto at the coast. Wake up and smell the coffee.


Uhuru is Ruto chief campaigner. You guys are historical (according to my late grandfather) naive. Anyway let us see how this shadow imaginary war with MKM will work out.

Keep us posted on the scores....RV Mafia versus MKM Mafia..and winner of the match Luo Mafia :) :) your delusion knows no bounds.

Pundito-there is RV Mafia but it is all run by Ruto because he is a micro manager. If you finish Ruto the whole crime family falls apart.-However, MKM is real-they have been around for a longer time. They consult and they have night meetings- they sometimes take kiapo and you dismiss them at your own peril. Besides that, ouru also has close-family members including his mother, brother, uncles, cousins and friends who look out for him and who are very powerful.  Omollo is right. Ouruto is only 50/50 on paper but the power is really like 90/10 in real life. Ouru controls all the instruments of power  and Ruto needs Ouru to do everything that Kibaki did for Ouru for Ruto to also win. All this pundit bragging of how Ruto will get into the presidency through hook or crook is just that.
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Re: Raila & Joho wanaona moto pwani
« Reply #123 on: June 15, 2018, 09:53:47 AM »
This is the lofty goal of the wedge campaign..  In 2013-14 it was played so loudly here. It's now part 2 :)

Uhuru is Ruto chief campaigner. You guys are historical (according to my late grandfather) naive. Anyway let us see how this shadow imaginary war with MKM will work out.

Keep us posted on the scores....RV Mafia versus MKM Mafia..and winner of the match Luo Mafia :) :) your delusion knows no bounds.

Pundito-there is RV Mafia but it is all run by Ruto because he is a micro manager. If you finish Ruto the whole crime family falls apart.-However, MKM is real-they have been around for a longer time. They consult and they have night meetings- they sometimes take kiapo and you dismiss them at your own peril. Besides that, ouru also has close-family members including his mother, brother, uncles, cousins and friends who look out for him and who are very powerful.  Omollo is right. Ouruto is only 50/50 on paper but the power is really like 90/10 in real life. Ouru controls all the instruments of power  and Ruto needs Ouru to do everything that Kibaki did for Ouru for Ruto to also win. All this pundit bragging of how Ruto will get into the presidency through hook or crook is just that.
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Re: Raila & Joho wanaona moto pwani
« Reply #124 on: June 15, 2018, 12:24:41 PM »
That is the clearest overt sign of the #WarAgainstCorruption actually being a #SendRutoHome

Ruto should probably negotiate a golden handshake and go home. This onslaught will be hard to beat.

I am seeing a similar dogged pursuit of false equivalence play out in the US: Whenever Trump is caught in some criminal enterprise or an one comes to light, he and his supporters find a way of blaming Hillary. Pundit cannot see the onslaught on his man without somehow thinking Raila or Raila's supporters think this or that.

He can straight ask me what I think of the #Handshake and from that know if I have the Hyena & the Human hand expectation (that somehow Ruto will go and Raila will benefit!). Has anybody remotely insinuated that? Or is this just some fear in Ruto's supporters built on the fact that Ruto rose to power out of political cannibalism.

Under NARA Ruto was basically a traitor. He spied on ODM for Kibaki and when caught openly shifted to Kibaki. He received lots of money (NIS) to fund his activities to split Rift Valley from ODM.

He rebelled at Naivasha and destroyed the ODM position where they had wanted the West Minster system of government (Parliamentary) as opposed to the Presidential system.

I can go on and on. Finally he is realizing that he has nobody above him to betray other than Uhuru. Raila has made peace with Uhuru so he cannot even use fitina. Like Ekuru Aukot, his relevance is under question. Ruto is a casualty of his own success (at treachery and vendetta) as well as the #Handshake

Anyway Pundit is stunned. He can no longer reason. He is now reduced to a verb, a noun and voodoo

Here is Ouru campaigning hard  for Ruto at the coast. Wake up and smell the coffee.
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Re: Raila & Joho wanaona moto pwani
« Reply #125 on: June 15, 2018, 12:46:31 PM »
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: Raila & Joho wanaona moto pwani
« Reply #127 on: June 15, 2018, 02:05:24 PM »
Desperation.If Uhuru say hii  Kichana - you make a mountain hill - now he says huyu - you are creating mt everest. If you think someone as sophisticated as Ruto or Uhuru can be found with their hands on the corruption jar then something is wrong with you. The only thing Ruto owns is his parliamentary financed house in Karen and maybe Sugoi. Uhuru is perhaps even more sophisticated. The war on corruption is for small boys and girls..the procurement folks.

That is the clearest overt sign of the #WarAgainstCorruption actually being a #SendRutoHome

Ruto should probably negotiate a golden handshake and go home. This onslaught will be hard to beat.

I am seeing a similar dogged pursuit of false equivalence play out in the US: Whenever Trump is caught in some criminal enterprise or an one comes to light, he and his supporters find a way of blaming Hillary. Pundit cannot see the onslaught on his man without somehow thinking Raila or Raila's supporters think this or that.

He can straight ask me what I think of the #Handshake and from that know if I have the Hyena & the Human hand expectation (that somehow Ruto will go and Raila will benefit!). Has anybody remotely insinuated that? Or is this just some fear in Ruto's supporters built on the fact that Ruto rose to power out of political cannibalism.

Under NARA Ruto was basically a traitor. He spied on ODM for Kibaki and when caught openly shifted to Kibaki. He received lots of money (NIS) to fund his activities to split Rift Valley from ODM.

He rebelled at Naivasha and destroyed the ODM position where they had wanted the West Minster system of government (Parliamentary) as opposed to the Presidential system.

I can go on and on. Finally he is realizing that he has nobody above him to betray other than Uhuru. Raila has made peace with Uhuru so he cannot even use fitina. Like Ekuru Aukot, his relevance is under question. Ruto is a casualty of his own success (at treachery and vendetta) as well as the #Handshake

Anyway Pundit is stunned. He can no longer reason. He is now reduced to a verb, a noun and voodoo

Here is Ouru campaigning hard  for Ruto at the coast. Wake up and smell the coffee.

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Re: Raila & Joho wanaona moto pwani
« Reply #128 on: June 15, 2018, 02:07:47 PM »
That lifestyle audit is targeting the regular small time thieves who keep wealth in their names or their wifes or such. If you're expecting to find Ruto's hand in the cookie jar - then clearly you underestimate him. Top politicians have sophisticated money laundering systems in place to help them evade any such traps. For example - everyone knows Ruto own weston - but if you go to companies - he won't be listed as director or shareholder. Moi used Kulei - his PA -while officially he owned only a petrol station in Nakuru & his Kabarak farm.

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Re: Raila & Joho wanaona moto pwani
« Reply #129 on: June 15, 2018, 02:09:37 PM »
It more than six year - Raila didn't even campaign until late in 2012 - because he thought Kikuyu-Kalenjin merging was like oil & water mixing. Now it's six years now and these guys are busy analyzing every Uhuru speech or non-speech for any sign of fall out.

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Re: Raila & Joho wanaona moto pwani
« Reply #130 on: June 15, 2018, 04:16:58 PM »
Keep on putting up a brave face but  but the evidence is mounting. Politics is an art and has  never been about direct talk-names like "kijana" or "yule" means a lot in politics than naming people. The fact that Ouru had to do this in the coast where Ruto has been camping for a week and also that he was with Joho and Babu Owino in the background is very significant politically. You may not get the message but the people it was intended to got it loud and clear.

Desperation.If Uhuru say hii  Kichana - you make a mountain hill - now he says huyu - you are creating mt everest. If you think someone as sophisticated as Ruto or Uhuru can be found with their hands on the corruption jar then something is wrong with you. The only thing Ruto owns is his parliamentary financed house in Karen and maybe Sugoi. Uhuru is perhaps even more sophisticated. The war on corruption is for small boys and girls..the procurement folks.

That is the clearest overt sign of the #WarAgainstCorruption actually being a #SendRutoHome

Ruto should probably negotiate a golden handshake and go home. This onslaught will be hard to beat.

I am seeing a similar dogged pursuit of false equivalence play out in the US: Whenever Trump is caught in some criminal enterprise or an one comes to light, he and his supporters find a way of blaming Hillary. Pundit cannot see the onslaught on his man without somehow thinking Raila or Raila's supporters think this or that.

He can straight ask me what I think of the #Handshake and from that know if I have the Hyena & the Human hand expectation (that somehow Ruto will go and Raila will benefit!). Has anybody remotely insinuated that? Or is this just some fear in Ruto's supporters built on the fact that Ruto rose to power out of political cannibalism.

Under NARA Ruto was basically a traitor. He spied on ODM for Kibaki and when caught openly shifted to Kibaki. He received lots of money (NIS) to fund his activities to split Rift Valley from ODM.

He rebelled at Naivasha and destroyed the ODM position where they had wanted the West Minster system of government (Parliamentary) as opposed to the Presidential system.

I can go on and on. Finally he is realizing that he has nobody above him to betray other than Uhuru. Raila has made peace with Uhuru so he cannot even use fitina. Like Ekuru Aukot, his relevance is under question. Ruto is a casualty of his own success (at treachery and vendetta) as well as the #Handshake

Anyway Pundit is stunned. He can no longer reason. He is now reduced to a verb, a noun and voodoo

Here is Ouru campaigning hard  for Ruto at the coast. Wake up and smell the coffee.
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Re: Raila & Joho wanaona moto pwani
« Reply #131 on: June 15, 2018, 04:21:47 PM »
Campaigning does not mean anything if the votes are going to be stolen my friend. Ruto will not even survive to get to the point where his votes are stolen like Raila. Raila will get a lot of respect when history is properly written. The war on corruption will only end when Ruto is politically finished.  Everybody else caught in this war on corruption is collateral damage.

It more than six year - Raila didn't even campaign until late in 2012 - because he thought Kikuyu-Kalenjin merging was like oil & water mixing. Now it's six years now and these guys are busy analyzing every Uhuru speech or non-speech for any sign of fall out.
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Re: Raila & Joho wanaona moto pwani
« Reply #132 on: June 15, 2018, 11:16:06 PM »
Raila's people are easily excitable. Instead of blaming uhuru for the death of nasa, they are willingly following to the slaughter house. There is no sign so far that uhuru wont support his deputy.

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Re: Raila & Joho wanaona moto pwani
« Reply #133 on: June 16, 2018, 12:31:19 AM »
We do not have a dog in this fight. We are spectators.  Ouru and Ruto can only get along if there is Raila to fight. If there is no Raila to fight then Ouru and Ruto have to fight. Its the law of the jungle. Intellectuals call it prisoners dilemma. Read all about it. Makes a lot of sense.  Look at it this way. If you have three bulls, two ganging against one and one bull pulls out, then the two bulls who used to gang on the one will now start to fight each other. Its that simple. 

Raila's people are easily excitable. Instead of blaming uhuru for the death of nasa, they are willingly following to the slaughter house. There is no sign so far that uhuru wont support his deputy.
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Re: Raila & Joho wanaona moto pwani
« Reply #134 on: June 16, 2018, 12:41:12 AM »
This thread has become a circus.  Yes, the hustler has fallen out of favor.  To Robina's credit, she is not too blinded by loyalty to miss this obvious fact.
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Re: Raila & Joho wanaona moto pwani
« Reply #135 on: June 16, 2018, 08:53:59 AM »
Precisely. I think come 2022 - we may not have to waste a lot of money in campaigns.
Raila's people are easily excitable. Instead of blaming uhuru for the death of nasa, they are willingly following to the slaughter house. There is no sign so far that uhuru wont support his deputy.

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Re: Raila & Joho wanaona moto pwani
« Reply #136 on: June 16, 2018, 08:56:16 AM »
We already fought in 2008 and made peace. Why would we fight again & have many people suffer.If Uhuru was to attempt to ran away from the deal - you know RV will erupt - and that will cause domino effect all over the country. You also know Uhuru even if he wanted can never really trust Raila.

We do not have a dog in this fight. We are spectators.  Ouru and Ruto can only get along if there is Raila to fight. If there is no Raila to fight then Ouru and Ruto have to fight. Its the law of the jungle. Intellectuals call it prisoners dilemma. Read all about it. Makes a lot of sense.  Look at it this way. If you have three bulls, two ganging against one and one bull pulls out, then the two bulls who used to gang on the one will now start to fight each other. Its that simple. 

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Re: Raila & Joho wanaona moto pwani
« Reply #137 on: June 16, 2018, 08:57:18 AM »
Heheher - this hilarious - Eti Joho now is new Jubilee pointman

After being isolated - he ran to Uhuru side of Jubilee :) - which side is that.

https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Joho-Uhuru-union-jolts-Jubilee--new-point-men--in-Coast-/1064-4615056-lf6tto/index.html

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Re: Raila & Joho wanaona moto pwani
« Reply #139 on: June 16, 2018, 10:40:10 AM »
Campaigning does not mean anything if the votes are going to be stolen my friend. Ruto will not even survive to get to the point where his votes are stolen like Raila. Raila will get a lot of respect when history is properly written. The war on corruption will only end when Ruto is politically finished.  Everybody else caught in this war on corruption is collateral damage.

It more than six year - Raila didn't even campaign until late in 2012 - because he thought Kikuyu-Kalenjin merging was like oil & water mixing. Now it's six years now and these guys are busy analyzing every Uhuru speech or non-speech for any sign of fall out.
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