Raila & Joho wanaona moto pwani

[Omollo]

Ole

The days when you used to be an independent voice seem comfortably behind us. Since joining URP and when it was in the words of Professor Lonyangapuo "killed" - joined "JP" - you have taken to partisanship and sad to say your voice has lost its power. Partly because in this world fence sitters die from crossfire.

How about this: You cry for the loss (or death) of URP and we cry for the death of NASA. In other words mourn your dead as we mourn ours?

But in your case I would first hide Sundiata, seeing all the princes killed by the invading King.

Make no mistake, Ruto is under serious attack and all you do is waste time throwing stones at those telling you to look behind you someone has a dagger pointed... Instead you tell those warning you that someone killed their man. If true, are you worried about the history of other people or the clear and present danger?

Raila's people are easily excitable. Instead of blaming uhuru for the death of nasa, they are willingly following to the slaughter house. There is no sign so far that uhuru wont support his deputy.

[Nefertiti]

This thread has become a circus.  Yes, the hustler has fallen out of favor.  To Robina's credit, she is not too blinded by loyalty to miss this obvious fact.

You're right Ruto's not guaranteed victory or GEMA support. However he's smart enough to deal with any subborteurs including hyping Raila as the omnipresent ogre. I like his chances. There's a cold war alright, not outright mayhem.

To bitmask's credit he's not blinded to reality by loyalty. Kichwa, Omollo and Pundit are the blind loyalists.

[Omollo]

This is comical to say the least...

I have been trying to tell this fella - who incidentally likes to raise the issue of intelligence - so many times that GEMA is aware of the ONLY card Ruto is holding. That card is called EMIGRE KIKUYUS in RV!. They know about the plan to create a hostage like situation to blackmail MKM to hand over power to Ruto. This issue was discussed in the talks before the handshake!

All efforts are afoot to neutralize the hostage taker(s). MKM is NOT comfortable having to be placed in a hostage situation. The hostage taker has to be neutralized.

Now Pundit keep imagining whatever you wish.

BTW one of the proposals was to let it play out: I.E go after Ruto, let Kalenjins erupt, send security forces to clamp down. A scholar friend who attended some of the talks told me parallels were drawn with similar expeditions in history as the one proposed. The outcome, he said quoting the scholar, was always the same: The Nandi [Kalenjin] always lost in the end.

Now go ahead with the Noun, Subject and Voodoo.

We already fought in 2008 and made peace. Why would we fight again & have many people suffer.If Uhuru was to attempt to ran away from the deal - you know RV will erupt - and that will cause domino effect all over the country. You also know Uhuru even if he wanted can never really trust Raila.

Why would he trust Ruto? Which of the two - Ruto and Raila - is a certified traitor? Who knows more about Ruto's treachery than the recipient of the wares Ruto was selling? Is Uhuru not aware that while Ruto was a senior official in ODM he held secret meetings with PNU and revealed secrets harmful to his own party? Is Uhuru not aware that Ruto sold his party in Naivasha to well, Uhuru? Is he not aware that Ruto turned to Kibaki when he was fired by Raila and Kibaki reinstated him?

What makes you think Uhuru is such a fool to believe Ruto a certified traitor has changed his ways? The Mafia BTW never trust a snitch. They use information and usually pay him the agreed fee in full,  but then shoot him in the back without touching the bribe money, so he is found with his 30 pieces of silver intact. That allows the mafia world to know what he really was -a snitch.

[RV Pundit]

omollo try write fictional novels..

[Omollo]

I won't recommend a new profession for you: Being Chirchir's rigging assistant seems to fit you. You then write Goebbelsian "predictions" which in effect reveal who Chirchir plans to rig in. In some cases like Machakos and Kwale (Gubernatorial) you get it right, except the entire MCA constellation reveals the theft; In others like Kilifi and Bungoma, Chirchir's "election" of governors is rescinded after the NIS alerts them of an open armed revolt with high casualties. In any event killings outside Luoland would disrupt the narrative of "only Luos". They are dropped.

You write fiction for Chirchir and now want me to join you?

omollo try write fictional novels..

[Kichwa]

Just the facts. Ouru is going around the country funning  the flames for the war on corruption.  Usually its the opposition who does that.  An incumbent president who want his deputy to succeed him will never do that even if he sincerely want to fight corruption-he would do it quietly within the law and not at political rallies. How do you move from making corruption the political number one enemy of the nation to electing the very personification of corruption in the name of Ruto as president. If you ask Kenyans today to name the most corrupt politician, the overwhelming majority will say Ruto without blinking an eyelid.  Ouru knows this that is and that is why  he does not have to say Ruto's name any more.  "Yule" is enough to get the crowd roaring.  Corruption is being fited around Ruto's neck like a tire and sooner or later its going to be lit to burn. Do not hate the messenger.

This thread has become a circus.  Yes, the hustler has fallen out of favor.  To Robina's credit, she is not too blinded by loyalty to miss this obvious fact.

You're right Ruto's not guaranteed victory or GEMA support. However he's smart enough to deal with any subborteurs including hyping Raila as the omnipresent ogre. I like his chances. There's a cold war alright, not outright mayhem.

To bitmask's credit he's not blinded to reality by loyalty. Kichwa, Omollo and Pundit are the blind loyalists.

[Nefertiti]

This is cold war not hot bloodletting ala 2008. More like the Moi 70s. It proves Ruto is the man to beat just like Moi was.  Ruto knows this and his own men have said as much: that the war on corruption is aimed at him.

I like his mitigation strategy which is 1)play the fool and stay 'loyal' to Uhuru and make it hard to paint him as kimundu which is still Raila's monkey 2)continue to consolidate his base independent of GEMA by routing ODM everywhere. Control of the non-GEMA is what he needs to deal with non-committal Uhuru and jilted Raila.

Now go ahead and tell us how rigging will do him in... in favor of Gideon Moi

Just the facts. Ouru is going around the country funning  the flames for the war on corruption.  Usually its the opposition who does that.  An incumbent president who want his deputy to succeed him will never do that even if he sincerely want to fight corruption-he would do it quietly within the law and not at political rallies. How do you move from making corruption the political number one enemy of the nation to electing the very personification of corruption in the name of Ruto as president. If you ask Kenyans today to name the most corrupt politician, the overwhelming majority will say Ruto without blinking an eyelid.  Ouru knows this that is and that is why  he does not have to say Ruto's name any more.  "Yule" is enough to get the crowd roaring.  Corruption is being fited around Ruto's neck like a tire and sooner or later its going to be lit to burn. Do not hate the messenger.

[RV Pundit]

Robina, There is no war btw Uhuru & Ruto.If Uhuru wanted war he would have moved Ruto cheese.He didnt as clearly shown by him continueing to appoint key Ruto men to key institutions.There is also no love for Raila..if there was Raila would already be in gov either directly or thro his proxies.The last appointment he actually appointed luos supporting Ruto.Those are key indicators to watch in politics.Watch actions not words..Uhuru of course after nailing Raila has completed his political job.He also knows Raila hates Ruto more than anything...and so he is helping his biatch Raila thro the stages of grieving $ acceptance that PORK is one $ only Uhuru.Uhuru words that appear to demean Ruto are careful chosen for Raila $ Kichwa.

What Raila & Kichwa forget is that their building bridges is now water under the bridge and also that the condition that Ruto gave to Uhuru for building the bridges - has been adhered to - Raila was not be in gov in any role - except as roving ambassador. The icing on the cake is that NASA has collapsed in the processes and half NASA orphans are now calling Ruto their daddy.

There is of course real war on small time corruption...this time not even so called political responsibility is mentioned.That would worry many ministers and Ruto people in power.Here PORK going for small man directly.There is already wealth declaration.

[Omollo]

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[Kichwa]

Robina, your attitude is the correct one unlike Pundit who is in deep denial. One have to ask themselves why all of a sudden Ouru has just discovered corruption.  If corruption was such a great campaign strategy for Ruto why didn't Ouru bring it up when he was running for re-election. Why wait until its Ruto's turn to run for re-election then declare war on corruption.

ALSO, Ouru knows there is no legal mechanism to do a style audit because Kenyan political office holders do not declare wealth and therefore there is no benchmark upon which a legal life style audit can be based upon.  All Ouru wants is people to do a political life style audit of Ruto based on propaganda and innuendo to cut him down to size. Ouru will be appearing once in a while to light the fires and let Ruto's political rivals for 2022 like Joho to do the dirty job.  If this is helping Ruto then Ruto needs him like a hole in the head.

This is cold war not hot bloodletting ala 2008. More like the Moi 70s. It proves Ruto is the man to beat just like Moi was.  Ruto knows this and his own men have said as much: that the war on corruption is aimed at him.

I like his mitigation strategy which is 1)play the fool and stay 'loyal' to Uhuru and make it hard to paint him as kimundu which is still Raila's monkey 2)continue to consolidate his base independent of GEMA by routing ODM everywhere. Control of the non-GEMA is what he needs to deal with non-committal Uhuru and jilted Raila.

Now go ahead and tell us how rigging will do him in... in favor of Gideon Moi

Just the facts. Ouru is going around the country funning  the flames for the war on corruption.  Usually its the opposition who does that.  An incumbent president who want his deputy to succeed him will never do that even if he sincerely want to fight corruption-he would do it quietly within the law and not at political rallies. How do you move from making corruption the political number one enemy of the nation to electing the very personification of corruption in the name of Ruto as president. If you ask Kenyans today to name the most corrupt politician, the overwhelming majority will say Ruto without blinking an eyelid.  Ouru knows this that is and that is why  he does not have to say Ruto's name any more.  "Yule" is enough to get the crowd roaring.  Corruption is being fited around Ruto's neck like a tire and sooner or later its going to be lit to burn. Do not hate the messenger.

[Omollo]

Ruto allies read mischief in war against graft, vow to hit back

[Omollo]

[Kichwa]

Sooner or later someone was bound to read the huge writing on the wall. Ruto could no longer pretend that he was not the target of the missiles ouru was lobbing occasionally but strategically at him. I am glad he is tired of the charade and is now ready to hit back.  The war between Ouru and Ruto is now being fought in the open. May the best man win.

Ruto allies read mischief in war against graft, vow to hit back

[RV Pundit]

Wishful thinking. That was just in response of ODM like smear campaign against Ruto. The whistle campaign that Ruto is the most corrupt has been going on for decades but it hasn't stopped the man.

Sometimes you guys out desperation invent alternative reality. Now 6 months in 2018 - lets get some facts straights.
1) Ruto is DPORK who enjoy nearly equal power with PORK - and has shared GOK positions in executive & parliament equally with Uhuru.
2) Raila signed off NASA - for 4 prados & a siren  & committee of 14 elders.
3) Raila wanted "NUSU Mkate" but Ruto said no - All he has is roving envoy to deal with south sudanase - exactly like Ruto wanted.
4) NASA is officially dead - Wetangula & MaDVD cannot stand the sight of  Raila (by extension most luhyas).
5) Kalonzo & Kambas are so ashamed to face the reality of Raila betrayal - like ODM they are still in delusion.
6) Raila refuge in ODM is kaput. Ruto has gone for ODM and seem to have grabbed about half of it's forces (ODM had 60 mps - mostly Luos+Coast - nearly all coast bar 3 mps have decamped).
7) Raila attempts to push for constitutional referendum became stillborn- Ruto said NO - and Uhuru ended the charade by echoing Ruto sentiments.
Ruto rans parliament - third arm of gov  - the body that makes laws- he controls leadership of both senate & national assembly & has majority of MPs on his call & beck.
9) That Ruto will be found "corrupt" and stood down when ICC couldn't do it is grand delusion . Kibaki at least tried Ruto with graft but still failed!
10) Dreaming that UhuRuto will fight so Raila can benefit is just also grand delusion.

Sooner or later someone was bound to read the huge writing on the wall. Ruto could no longer pretend that he was not the target of the missiles ouru was lobbing occasionally but strategically at him. I am glad he is tired of the charade and is now ready to hit back.  The war between Ouru and Ruto is now being fought in the open. May the best man win.

[RV Pundit]

As you engage in wishful thinking - Kenyatta family are selling their Kamame (Media Max) to Ruto.

https://kenyalivenews.com/dp-ruto-snatches-and-takes-control-of-mediamax-limited-from-uhuru-kenyatta/

[Omollo]

Towards the end of NARA, it was clear that we had been shafted. People had been saying that for quite some time but we ignored. In fact some of us targeted those well-meaning souls who warned us about the shafting for special matusi. We believed and said that "Raila and and Kibaki are enjoying 'equal' power". The delusions continued well in to 2011 when Kibaki started making moves intended to sideline Raila with a view of choosing his own successor.

I have no idea when KM opened his eyes to the reality - a reality is trying with noble intentions - to share with Pundit. But I know he was among the last to see the asteroid about to land on our heads.

This therefore is deja vu. When a news media associated with Uhuru publishes a report about Ruto being shafted and his propagandists turn around and blame "ODM Propaganda" and Raila and his retinue. It's like there is a memo to absorb all the blows and ignore all hints to the Drunken Uncle to leave before the family dinner.

Those making the accusations are not ODM. They are Jubilee people. Yet Pundit finds a way to suggest they are ODM.

While Raila wants a referendum for purely noble reasons based on the desire for electoral justice and national unity, GEMA wants the same for reasons of wanting to renege on their promises to Ruto.

Yes on the face of it Ruto has the same power as Uhuru. That in itself should have set all red lights burning hot. Like I said, Ruto has only one card to play: Emigre Kikuyus. It is not a situation GEMA wants and they would like to see it resolved. If they have to give him power, they want to exercise (as Churchill said about Kenya's independence before Mau Mau) : Magnanimity in victory. GEMA does not want an image of having given in to blackmail. They will not appease the beast that is holding their people hostage. The act of holding Kikuyus in RV hostage to Ruto's ambitions is in itself proof that Ruto is not honest nor are his intentions noble (that word again! Let's try righteous, virtuous, good, honorable, upright, decent, worthy, moral, ethical, reputable; magnanimous, unselfish, generous). They feel a certain compulsion. If he gets power while holding hostages, he is likely to grow bolder and may not be amenable to return the power when his term of office expires.

 

[RV Pundit]

Everyone knew Raila had been shafted by Kibaki after he came taken on military chopper to Sagana and sign off a bad deal against advice of Ruto. Ruto & many in RVs made that very clear...the foolish Raila had basically got nothing except department ministries located in community/upper hill. I am sure you have seen what REAL power sharing is during the last two terms of UhuRuto gov...there is no a whiff of noise or crumbing.
As regard GEMA votes - again - at this point - Ruto is so popular against so many paper-tigers - Ruto alone will probably manage 40% before any GEMA vote is in. The hostage crisis is real and if you can help GEMA find home for 1M plus of their poeple...I am sure they'll listen to you. They simply cannot afford to renege. The deal for Uhuru 10 - and Ruto 10 - was made with that undertaking. Reneging would poison RV for many decades.

Towards the end of NARA, it was clear that we had been shafted. People had been saying that for quite some time but we ignored. In fact some of us targeted those well-meaning souls who warned us about the shafting for special matusi. We believed and said that "Raila and and Kibaki are enjoying 'equal' power". The delusions continued well in to 2011 when Kibaki started making moves intended to sideline Raila with a view of choosing his own successor.

I have no idea when KM opened his eyes to the reality - a reality is trying with noble intentions - to share with Pundit. But I know he was among the last to see the asteroid about to land on our heads.

This therefore is deja vu. When a news media associated with Uhuru publishes a report about Ruto being shafted and his propagandists turn around and blame "ODM Propaganda" and Raila and his retinue. It's like there is a memo to absorb all the blows and ignore all hints to the Drunken Uncle to leave before the family dinner.

Those making the accusations are not ODM. They are Jubilee people. Yet Pundit finds a way to suggest they are ODM.

While Raila wants a referendum for purely noble reasons based on the desire for electoral justice and national unity, GEMA wants the same for reasons of wanting to renege on their promises to Ruto.

Yes on the face of it Ruto has the same power as Uhuru. That in itself should have set all red lights burning hot. Like I said, Ruto has only one card to play: Emigre Kikuyus. It is not a situation GEMA wants and they would like to see it resolved. If they have to give him power, they want to exercise (as Churchill said about Kenya's independence before Mau Mau) : Magnanimity in victory. GEMA does not want an image of having given in to blackmail. They will not appease the beast that is holding their people hostage. The act of holding Kikuyus in RV hostage to Ruto's ambitions is in itself proof that Ruto is not honest nor are his intentions noble (that word again! Let's try righteous, virtuous, good, honorable, upright, decent, worthy, moral, ethical, reputable; magnanimous, unselfish, generous). They feel a certain compulsion. If he gets power while holding hostages, he is likely to grow bolder and may not be amenable to return the power when his term of office expires.

 

[vooke]

Towards the end of NARA, it was clear that we had been shafted. People had been saying that for quite some time but we ignored. In fact some of us targeted those well-meaning souls who warned us about the shafting for special matusi. We believed and said that "Raila and and Kibaki are enjoying 'equal' power". The delusions continued well in to 2011 when Kibaki started making moves intended to sideline Raila with a view of choosing his own successor.

I have no idea when KM opened his eyes to the reality - a reality is trying with noble intentions - to share with Pundit. But I know he was among the last to see the asteroid about to land on our heads.

This therefore is deja vu. When a news media associated with Uhuru publishes a report about Ruto being shafted and his propagandists turn around and blame "ODM Propaganda" and Raila and his retinue. It's like there is a memo to absorb all the blows and ignore all hints to the Drunken Uncle to leave before the family dinner.

Those making the accusations are not ODM. They are Jubilee people. Yet Pundit finds a way to suggest they are ODM.

While Raila wants a referendum for purely noble reasons based on the desire for electoral justice and national unity, GEMA wants the same for reasons of wanting to renege on their promises to Ruto.

Yes on the face of it Ruto has the same power as Uhuru. That in itself should have set all red lights burning hot. Like I said, Ruto has only one card to play: Emigre Kikuyus. It is not a situation GEMA wants and they would like to see it resolved. If they have to give him power, they want to exercise (as Churchill said about Kenya's independence before Mau Mau) : Magnanimity in victory. GEMA does not want an image of having given in to blackmail. They will not appease the beast that is holding their people hostage. The act of holding Kikuyus in RV hostage to Ruto's ambitions is in itself proof that Ruto is not honest nor are his intentions noble (that word again! Let's try righteous, virtuous, good, honorable, upright, decent, worthy, moral, ethical, reputable; magnanimous, unselfish, generous). They feel a certain compulsion. If he gets power while holding hostages, he is likely to grow bolder and may not be amenable to return the power when his term of office expires.

 

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[RV Pundit]

Vooke, I don't think you understand RV or Kalenjin to be precise. Ruto won't be guilty of anything. He doesn't need to incite anybody. He doesn't need to finance anybody. He doesn't need Mungiki or any orgnisation. Any case take to ICC will similarly fail. The last case failed because there was simply no evidence that Kibaki had on Ruto - no organisation - nothing - ICC had to invent something they call the network .  RVs are warrior community - maybe you can relate Maasai spontaneously attacking you and you really can't go and say XYZ organize the maasai morans. The reason is warriors are trained every year & regimented as some standing army - even now in peace every Kalenjin knows there is generation whose job would be go to war at the sound of a war cry - the motive is there -the long standing grievance & distaste for kikuyus & others occupying what I they regard as their ancestral land - is enough incitement  - leave alone betraying Ruto after they've supported Uhuru. I think GEMA now clearly understands that - in 90s - they thought Moi had some private militia unleashing violence - and in 2007 - they clearly understood what capacity those loose warriors acting on the spur of moment can do - I mean Kibaki had all instruments of power/NIS/DCS - name them - and yet he was left helpless - more than half a million of his people were kicked out in a week - and he had to deal!! - and that was Raila war.

GEMA betraying Ruto would spark such a war it would make 2007 look like a walk in the park.
 
Now they are two things that could happen if UhuRuto fallout.1) Ruto can go ahead and win in another coalition - GEMA diaspora in RV would be damned.2) Ruto can loose & new Uhuru coalition say with Raila wins - and then Ruto will play his role in opposition- GEMA diaspora would be more damned.