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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on November 03, 2019, 08:54:05 AM
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Lawmakers Kabinga Wathayu (Mwea), Munene Wambugu (Kirinyaga Central) and Zachary Thuku (Kinangop) described Mr Kiunjuri as a seasoned leader capable of uniting all others in the region.
Mr Wathayu said Mr Kiunjuri is a hard working leader who should be elevated to the top in the region.
Five members of the Kirinyaga County Assembly - Pius Njogu (Thiba), Gudson Muchina (Tebere), Erastus Ireri (Ngariama), Fredrick Bundi (Njukiini) and Kinyua Wangui (Mutira) - echoed the MP's sentiments.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/MPs-want-Kiunjuri-Mt-Kenya-kingpin/1064-5333600-og8wdkz/index.html
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This will be the lowest point in central politic next election of Uhuru. Kiunjuri is shallow. He is an idiot and populist. My late cousin who schooled with him claimed that in his hey days kiunjuri was just a loose mouth. He had this habit of making fun of nandis. So Nandi students took him to eldoret Nandi bar and after he got drunk he started running his mouth and that when he was beaten like a dog by locals and his collegemates left him there. He never made fun of nandis anymore
It won't surprise me the quality of voters is diminishing
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The could not defend his seat as governor. Let us first wait for the reaction from the Merus and Embus. Remember GEMA wa originally Gikuyu, Embu, Meru and Akamba. So far Akamba jumped ship ages ago and soon the other E and M will follow.
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The could not defend his seat as governor. Let us first wait for the reaction from the Merus and Embus. Remember GEMA wa originally Gikuyu, Embu, Meru and Akamba. So far Akamba jumped ship ages ago and soon the other E and M will follow.
Ruto planned this well.. trouble some munyas were fell..and will be Keen to square with kiraitu.That leaves us with Embus with speaker seat carrot..I don't think Ruto will retain him if he wins...he will be given another job.. and small boy Prof from stronghold...who will want to cause trouble..but he can be convinced to go for governorship.The only threat was PK and Martha but they are kaput.Sort of GEMA getting a hero like James Mwangi to politics..Mwangi Kiunjuri has it.He has GEMA diaspora votes..those are like 1m plus...about 25% of rift valley, he has nyeri and kirinyanga.We have small Muranga problem with Was Iria..but the milk man is small baby in politics.Kiambu know they have had their 10yrs with Uhuru except for the deluded Moses kuria
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This will be the lowest point in central politic next election of Uhuru. Kiunjuri is shallow. He is an idiot and populist. My late cousin who schooled with him claimed that in his hey days kiunjuri was just a loose mouth. He had this habit of making fun of nandis. So Nandi students took him to eldoret Nandi bar and after he got drunk he started running his mouth and that when he was beaten like a dog by locals and his collegemates left him there. He never made fun of nandis anymore
It won't surprise me the quality of voters is diminishing
Kiunjuri has grown from a tout to a serious political operator.Hw declared he was worth 1billion plus during his vetting.His party had a good showing compared to Martha Narc.He has planted and financed many of the current kikuyu MPs..he is also no push over and when shit hit the fan he can wage war against kenyattas.He is going to emerge from shadow with BBI..I think 2020 is going to be the defining moment for GEMA...Kenyatta can choose to play Ball or Ruto-Kiunjuri will do to them what Ruto did Moi..who is dying like an old dog..unloved except by his family.Kiunjuri just need kameme fm....and Ruto already got the mic ready there..so he can deploy his deep kikuyu wisdom hahaha.Uhuru I hope is smart enough to avoid ba kikuyu revolution against his family...the ground there is just waiting for a warrior like Kiunjuri to lead them out of Kenyatta bondage.Its bad enough kikuyu think Uhuru has done little in central..SGR the 10B dollars investment avoid kikuyu land like a plague.. Naivasha is actually Suswa about 30kms from Maa Mahiu... The brother Brookside greed add insult to injury to kikuyus who now love milk and cows than my people ever did.while the sister is engaged in moi era like grabbing at afya house...it most tragic many kikuyus see Kenyatta trying to endager the lives & properties of their diaspora by reckless war with Kalenjin for an handshake with a man who had been vanguished.BBI parliamentary will the tipping point for Kiunjuri the tout to take on the mighty Mama Ngina and his kids.
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Laikipia https://www.the-star.co.ke/counties/rift-valley/2019-11-03-laikipia-leaders-ask-ruto-to-make-kiunjuri-running-mate/
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This will be the lowest point in central politic next election of Uhuru. Kiunjuri is shallow. He is an idiot and populist. My late cousin who schooled with him claimed that in his hey days kiunjuri was just a loose mouth. He had this habit of making fun of nandis. So Nandi students took him to eldoret Nandi bar and after he got drunk he started running his mouth and that when he was beaten like a dog by locals and his collegemates left him there. He never made fun of nandis anymore
It won't surprise me the quality of voters is diminishing
Kiunjuri has grown from a tout to a serious political operator.Hw declared he was worth 1billion plus during his vetting.His party had a good showing compared to Martha Narc.He has planted and financed many of the current kikuyu MPs..he is also no push over and when shit hit the fan he can wage war against kenyattas.He is going to emerge from shadow with BBI..I think 2020 is going to be the defining moment for GEMA...Kenyatta can choose to play Ball or Ruto-Kiunjuri will do to them what Ruto did Moi..who is dying like an old dog..unloved except by his family.Kiunjuri just need kameme fm....and Ruto already got the mic ready there..so he can deploy his deep kikuyu wisdom hahaha.Uhuru I hope is smart enough to avoid ba kikuyu revolution against his family...the ground there is just waiting for a warrior like Kiunjuri to lead them out of Kenyatta bondage.Its bad enough kikuyu think Uhuru has done little in central..SGR the 10B dollars investment avoid kikuyu land like a plague.. Naivasha is actually Suswa about 30kms from Maa Mahiu... The brother Brookside greed add insult to injury to kikuyus who now love milk and cows than my people ever did.while the sister is engaged in moi era like grabbing at afya house...it most tragic many kikuyus see Kenyatta trying to endager the lives & properties of their diaspora by reckless war with Kalenjin for an handshake with a man who had been vanguished.BBI parliamentary will the tipping point for Kiunjuri the tout to take on the mighty Mama Ngina and his kids.
Kiunjuri has no clout to wage war against kenyattas. Even a mere mp like ngunjiri or kuria can take him on. Even that 1 billioj in weslth is just an hype. I doubt Kiunjuri has cash to wage a campaign
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Kenyattas were going nowhere if Ruto & Moi had not seen value in Uhuru.Kibaki and other leaders that emerged post Jomo run the show.Uhuru is going to become lameduck soon as folks focus on the future.Mwangi Kiunjuri has clear shot and is emerging from the woodwork.
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:D :D
Have you ever tried to balance an egg? No? You can’t change the laws of physics, can you?
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:D :D
Have you ever tried to balance an egg? No? You can’t change the laws of physics, can you?
(https://penningtonplanetarium.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/balance-an-egg-e1379692584393.jpg)
This is politics..more an art of persuasion and strategy..not science.Be prepared to have a shrubbing DPork
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I assure you you cannot reach the horizon - no matter how forked your tongue - it is a mirage.
Uhurutopia, Punguza, Mariga - were all horizons we never reached - now you are onto Ruto-Kiunjuri. I think at some point you were preaching Ruto-Waiguru. Or Ruto-Muturi. Now Waiguru is drumming Mariga. :D
But Imran and BBI are here and now - deal with reality not theories. I see Babu backing Uhuru 2.0 for Exec PM - as he go for ceremonial PORK. Kiunjuri is DOA - your watermelon need to shop for a Luhya. I know the dwindling Kikuyu numbers give you some hope.
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You are terrible because you watch the pawns not the quuens and the king's
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The queens and kings are lined up against your boy.
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This will be the lowest point in central politic next election of Uhuru. Kiunjuri is shallow. He is an idiot and populist. My late cousin who schooled with him claimed that in his hey days kiunjuri was just a loose mouth. He had this habit of making fun of nandis. So Nandi students took him to eldoret Nandi bar and after he got drunk he started running his mouth and that when he was beaten like a dog by locals and his collegemates left him there. He never made fun of nandis anymore
It won't surprise me the quality of voters is diminishing
Kiunjuri has grown from a tout to a serious political operator.Hw declared he was worth 1billion plus during his vetting.His party had a good showing compared to Martha Narc.He has planted and financed many of the current kikuyu MPs..he is also no push over and when shit hit the fan he can wage war against kenyattas.He is going to emerge from shadow with BBI..I think 2020 is going to be the defining moment for GEMA...Kenyatta can choose to play Ball or Ruto-Kiunjuri will do to them what Ruto did Moi..who is dying like an old dog..unloved except by his family.Kiunjuri just need kameme fm....and Ruto already got the mic ready there..so he can deploy his deep kikuyu wisdom hahaha.Uhuru I hope is smart enough to avoid ba kikuyu revolution against his family...the ground there is just waiting for a warrior like Kiunjuri to lead them out of Kenyatta bondage.Its bad enough kikuyu think Uhuru has done little in central..SGR the 10B dollars investment avoid kikuyu land like a plague.. Naivasha is actually Suswa about 30kms from Maa Mahiu... The brother Brookside greed add insult to injury to kikuyus who now love milk and cows than my people ever did.while the sister is engaged in moi era like grabbing at afya house...it most tragic many kikuyus see Kenyatta trying to endager the lives & properties of their diaspora by reckless war with Kalenjin for an handshake with a man who had been vanguished.BBI parliamentary will the tipping point for Kiunjuri the tout to take on the mighty Mama Ngina and his kids.
Yes there'll be a rebellion against the kenyattas but it wont be led by kiunjuri. Kiunjuri is one of the people in government who hasn't done anything or actually made things worse. Farmers are complaining in central, he's the CS and now instead of even trying to offer solutions he's just politicking. Where do you get the idea that kiunjuri controls 1m kiuks in diaspora? The man can't even win governship in his home county laikipia. The man business has collapsed, his wealth was pegged on his sagana electricity poles factory, after kplc started using concrete poles his business has collapsed, obviously being a crook probably he has stolen now that he's a CS.
And for the record kameme has less than 20% marketshare of kuik radio market, your man was sold a dog.
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Kiunjuri is the best of the worst of generation of kikuyus leaders - because your alternative seem to be the joker Moses Kuria - who come from Gatundu South with Uhuru.
I think Kiunjuri has or will have - RV kikuyus - beyond Laikipia - all the way to Uasin Gishu. He may have lost the Governor - but he has senator and all Laikipia Mps. Nakuru mps - are firmly in Kiunjuri camp. Diaspora Kikuyus see Kiunjuri as their own.
And then Nyeri-Kirinyanga also see Kiunjuri as their own. That leave us with little problem with Muranga where milk-man will want to play hard ball.As for Kiambu - by virtue of Uhuru - they are out - obviously likes of Kabete Mp is destined fro great things - possibly Finance Minister.
It is easy to dismiss Kiunjuri until you're told to bring the alternative. And cut him some slack agriculture was long devolved. Peleka makasirio :) kwa gavan wenu.
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Kiunjuri is the best of the worst of generation of kikuyus leaders - because your alternative seem to be the joker Moses Kuria - who come from Gatundu South with Uhuru.
I think Kiunjuri has or will have - RV kikuyus - beyond Laikipia - all the way to Uasin Gishu. He may have lost the Governor - but he has senator and all Laikipia Mps. Nakuru mps - are firmly in Kiunjuri camp. Diaspora Kikuyus see Kiunjuri as their own.
And then Nyeri-Kirinyanga also see Kiunjuri as their own. That leave us with little problem with Muranga where milk-man will want to play hard ball.As for Kiambu - by virtue of Uhuru - they are out - obviously likes of Kabete Mp is destined fro great things - possibly Finance Minister.
It is easy to dismiss Kiunjuri until you're told to bring the alternative. And cut him some slack agriculture was long devolved. Peleka makasirio :) kwa gavan wenu.
Nyeri-kirinyaga see kiunjuri as their own? Where do you get that? The RV kiuk Mps are in tanga tanga not necessarily with kiunjuri. Even laikipia kiunjuri isn't influential, the only kiunjuri disciple in laikipia is the women rep bimbo waruguru.
Agriculture is devolved but policy making isn't. This is where he has failed miserably, we have his ministry proposing to outlaw manure, milk hawking etc. Then the fool can't even ensure fertilizer imported to the country is up standard(him and the other moron munya).
Why would kuria be dismissed cause he's from Gatundu? Central or gema doesn't need one leader, most likely scenario central we have several leaders depending on the issues at hand. The days of one tribal king are over, uhuru is the last gema tribal king. Its the same thing happening in ukambani.
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Read the first post here - these are nyeri & kirinyanga mps. Laikipia apart from Governor - are all for Kiunjuri. RV kiuks are in Ruto for sake of peace of their people. Kiunjuri is an icing on their cake. Because for long time they feel - central kikuyus - misuse them.
This time round RV Kikuyus will break up with Central Kikuyus if need be. They have enjoyed peace the last 10yrs and don't want somebody re-opening old wounds - and also to win stuff like senate or governor in nakuru or laikipia - you have to be friendly to all tribes.
So the dying breed of kikuyu nationalism like Kuria are going nowhere.
Kiunjuri is the best of the worst of generation of kikuyus leaders - because your alternative seem to be the joker Moses Kuria - who come from Gatundu South with Uhuru.
I think Kiunjuri has or will have - RV kikuyus - beyond Laikipia - all the way to Uasin Gishu. He may have lost the Governor - but he has senator and all Laikipia Mps. Nakuru mps - are firmly in Kiunjuri camp. Diaspora Kikuyus see Kiunjuri as their own.
And then Nyeri-Kirinyanga also see Kiunjuri as their own. That leave us with little problem with Muranga where milk-man will want to play hard ball.As for Kiambu - by virtue of Uhuru - they are out - obviously likes of Kabete Mp is destined fro great things - possibly Finance Minister.
It is easy to dismiss Kiunjuri until you're told to bring the alternative. And cut him some slack agriculture was long devolved. Peleka makasirio :) kwa gavan wenu.
Nyeri-kirinyaga see kiunjuri as their own? Where do you get that? The RV kiuk Mps are in tanga tanga not necessarily with kiunjuri. Even laikipia kiunjuri isn't influential, the only kiunjuri disciple in laikipia is the women rep bimbo waruguru.
Agriculture is devolved but policy making isn't. This is where he has failed miserably, we have his ministry proposing to outlaw manure, milk hawking etc. Then the fool can't even ensure fertilizer imported to the country is up standard(him and the other moron munya).
Why would kuria be dismissed cause he's from Gatundu? Central or gema doesn't need one leader, most likely scenario central we have several leaders depending on the issues at hand. The days of one tribal king are over, uhuru is the last gema tribal king. Its the same thing happening in ukambani.
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So Gema rebel against Uhuru but go to Ruto? Their grievance is Jubilee. Kiunjuri or Kuria appeal is pegged on Uhuru retirement. Now Uhuru 2.0 and Kiunjuri what - ceremonial PORK? Uhuru has trashed MOU and Ruto needs to shop for a Luhya - Madvd or Rectangular.
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Guy has no clout, this is the folly of Ruto, he does not want to give anyone 50-50 government. So he picks no bodies to try to front them. Look at Jumwa, that sports minister, he is afraid of strong independent leaders, and this is his weakpoint
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yulemsee - none of the big fish want alliance with Ruto. He lacks choices. You can see in Kibra where he brought Duale - a Somali. :) It was rumored he has Kibwana who now has joined Raila.
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Read the first post here - these are nyeri & kirinyanga mps. Laikipia apart from Governor - are all for Kiunjuri. RV kiuks are in Ruto for sake of peace of their people. Kiunjuri is an icing on their cake. Because for long time they feel - central kikuyus - misuse them.
This time round RV Kikuyus will break up with Central Kikuyus if need be. They have enjoyed peace the last 10yrs and don't want somebody re-opening old wounds - and also to win stuff like senate or governor in nakuru or laikipia - you have to be friendly to all tribes.
So the dying breed of kikuyu nationalism like Kuria are going nowhere.
The next election will be about the economy esp. in mount kenya region. If there's one thing that all legislators agree on whether tanga or kieleweke is that economy is terrible and jubilee is to blame. Ruto-kiunjuri are part of the problem. This is why the likes of kuria, mwaura, mathira Mp rigathi are openly complaining and getting overwhelming support.
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Uhuru will carry his own cross. That is why likes of Ruto have left him alone to drive his agenda. It probable Raila can also be pinned down for anything that went wrong :) thanks to handshake. All in all - politicians - will shape the debate. Ruto has his own narrative - Hustlers versus Dynasty - but I see Raila also getting blame for handshake messing economy & Jubilee.
The next election will be about the economy esp. in mount kenya region. If there's one thing that all legislators agree on whether tanga or kieleweke is that economy is terrible and jubilee is to blame. Ruto-kiunjuri are part of the problem. This is why the likes of kuria, mwaura, mathira Mp rigathi are openly complaining and getting overwhelming support.
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Uhuru is going nowhere and your boy will end up with Madvd or Washiali. He is DOA in Mt Kenya.
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When you ammend the Katiba - we will know that. You have exactly two years to do that. BBI -I don't know why Uhuru is not prioritizing it - and is busy launching other not so important task.
Article 142 - 2) A person shall not hold office as President for more than two terms.
Uhuru is going nowhere and your boy will end up with Madvd or Washiali. He is DOA in Mt Kenya.
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He is waiting for Raila to finish up Ruto in Kibra. It's a team. Your boy has capitulated already on parliamentary. It will be unanimous or pass with a few makelele. Once countless folks push Uhuru to continue - to ensure smooth transition :D as Exec PM - Gema will have to pick Uhuru 2.0 or Moi 2.0 -it a no-brainer.
When you ammend the Katiba - we will know that. You have exactly two years to do that. BBI -I don't know why Uhuru is not prioritizing it - and is busy launching other not so important task.
Article 142 - 2) A person shall not hold office as President for more than two terms.
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What if Ruto wins Kibra? You know Raila right now is busy at high court trying to block Kibra elections tomorrow.
He is waiting for Raila to finish up Ruto in Kibra. It's a team. Your boy has capitulated already on parliamentary. It will be unanimous or pass with a few makelele. Once countless folks push Uhuru to continue - to ensure smooth transition :D as Exec PM - Gema will have to pick Uhuru 2.0 or Moi 2.0 -it a no-brainer.
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You don't sound so sure of your chances. Raila is busy lining up Luo 100% turnout. Things aren't always as they seem - isn't that one of your smart alec quips? The correct question is how Ruto will rebutt BBI while smarting from a dog beating.
What if Ruto wins Kibra? You know Raila right now is busy at high court trying to block Kibra elections tomorrow.
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1) 100% Luo vote will not help Baba.That is just winning 25% of the vote or even less.
2) Baba just lost Kamba vote - by calling them cheap. "Kambas are faithful, just like women When they want to give it to you, they will."
3) Baba is now busy fighting with maDVD - opening yet another from in Luhya.
4) Owalo will eat into Baba votes.
Finally,Mariga is poised for huge win. He just need Luhyas and Kikuyus.
Baba initially dismissed Ruto ethnic campaigns - where Ruto was taking each of ethnic groups to dine in Karen - but at last minute he was desperately looking for Kikuyus, Luos and Nubians to meet him.
Now the man is at High Court trying to stop the dog beating.
As for BBI - we will cross that bridge when we get there. It appears Uhuru is not to keen - after central drew the line on parliamentary system.
You don't sound so sure of your chances. Raila is busy lining up Luo 100% turnout. Things aren't always as they seem - isn't that one of your smart alec quips? The correct question is how Ruto will rebutt BBI while smarting from a dog beating.
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Your propaganda where Luhya and Kikuyu are majority - while they have 1 MCA each. Luo have 3. Luo 35% need only a few top ups from Gusii, Nubians, Luhya and Kamba. Raila got all the 2nd tier influencers while Ruto has Khalwale and Nixon. Mariga need 100% Luhya and Kikuyu to match Luo. Of course Luhya unity and turnout is unbankable.
BBI - Uhuru doesn't need Kikuyu to pass parliamentary. If Ruto capitulate Kiunjuri or Kioni resistance is moot. If Ruto put up a fight - it will be Kalenjin and Kikuyu vs Kenya. He lose referendum - lose non-Gema - then try to cling onto Kikuyu vs Uhuru 2.0. But gossip say the coward is ready to surrender without a fight.
Anyway no need for all this. Kibra will be over in 2days. BBI shortly after. These are not horizons unlike Ruto-Kiunjuri.
1) 100% Luo vote will not help Baba.That is just winning 25% of the vote or even less.
2) Baba just lost Kamba vote - by calling them cheap. "Kambas are faithful, just like women When they want to give it to you, they will."
3) Baba is now busy fighting with maDVD - opening yet another from in Luhya.
4) Owalo will eat into Baba votes.
Finally,Mariga is poised for huge win. He just need Luhyas and Kikuyus.
Baba initially dismissed Ruto ethnic campaigns - where Ruto was taking each of ethnic groups to dine in Karen - but at last minute he was desperately looking for Kikuyus, Luos and Nubians to meet him.
Now the man is at High Court trying to stop the dog beating.
As for BBI - we will cross that bridge when we get there. It appears Uhuru is not to keen - after central drew the line on parliamentary system.
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the 2 watermelons bracing for kibra dog beating
Ruto reaches out to Kalonzo for new political alliance
The two politicians' lieutenants have already held three meetings, the most recent on Monday night
In Summary
• The two politicians feel increasingly isolated in their respective political camps ahead of the 2022 presidential race.
• The DP has been using his Rift Valley and Central Kenya allies to reach out to Kalonzo
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_uyUZn5goWnxMNqB3dvQB5b6kQLwJ7CtrB-Wd25BathO7OZH06vml3badoeD4tQ3gNO5IHtnZozGUUGzrjG-nqJzQ1ISmQ=s512)
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-11-07-ruto-reaches-out-to-kalonzo-for-new-political-alliance/
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Kalonzo is going nowhere...just being used..his bedroom like Raila is under serious threat
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Kalonzo is totally useless. noone in Raila or Ruto backyard openly challenge them. maybe one-off Isaac or Obado. For Kalonzo it's so open- all 3 governors supported Imran.
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Looks like Imran 58% vs 25% Mariga. Dog beating classic. Owalo 15%. Butichi 1% expose deadwood Rectangular.
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The usual Pundit gimmicks leading to nowhere.
Now he comes up with excuses, Luos refused others to vote. Only RV politicians busy complaining and no word from the rest Tanga Tanga gangsters.
1) 100% Luo vote will not help Baba.That is just winning 25% of the vote or even less.
2) Baba just lost Kamba vote - by calling them cheap. "Kambas are faithful, just like women When they want to give it to you, they will."
3) Baba is now busy fighting with maDVD - opening yet another from in Luhya.
4) Owalo will eat into Baba votes.
Finally,Mariga is poised for huge win. He just need Luhyas and Kikuyus.
Baba initially dismissed Ruto ethnic campaigns - where Ruto was taking each of ethnic groups to dine in Karen - but at last minute he was desperately looking for Kikuyus, Luos and Nubians to meet him.
Now the man is at High Court trying to stop the dog beating.
As for BBI - we will cross that bridge when we get there. It appears Uhuru is not to keen - after central drew the line on parliamentary system.
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There was violence everywhere - what seem to have happened - ODM planned their strongholds to vote very early - and come around 10am - they implemented intimidation - with a crowd of 200 people staying around polling stations - and others running up & down kibra - preventing people from voting.Jubilee agents including MPS had to endure stones, insults and name it.
Kibra by-election certainly was not free and fair.
The usual Pundit gimmicks leading to nowhere.
Now he comes up with excuses, Luos refused others to vote. Only RV politicians busy complaining and no word from the rest Tanga Tanga gangsters.
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Coming from a man who otherwise praises his side for using all means to stick to power. :o
As earlier mentioned here by Robina, 35% voter turnout by a by-election is normal. I have not heard IEBC complaining or any other election observation bodies. Only RV politicians are making noise and have not noticed their usual allies like Kimani Ichung'wah and John Kiarie have gone silent.
There was violence everywhere - what seem to have happened - ODM planned their strongholds to vote very early - and come around 10am - they implemented intimidation - with a crowd of 200 people staying around polling stations - and others running up & down kibra - preventing people from voting.Jubilee agents including MPS had to endure stones, insults and name it.
Kibra by-election certainly was not free and fair.
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Kibra was not just the usual by-election. It was like a mini general elections. The violence was all over. That Ruto bribed voters is conjecture - nobody has shown evidence of Mariga or Ruto dishing money. The violent conduct of ODM Is all over the media.
I can say Ruto is corrupt - but I have no evidence. When I say ODM ocherstracted violent acts - it all over the news.
Coming from a man who otherwise praises his side for using all means to stick to power. :o
As earlier mentioned here by Robina, 35% voter turnout by a by-election is normal. I have not heard IEBC complaining or any other election observation bodies. Only RV politicians are making noise and have not noticed their usual allies like Kimani Ichung'wah and John Kiarie have gone silent.
There was violence everywhere - what seem to have happened - ODM planned their strongholds to vote very early - and come around 10am - they implemented intimidation - with a crowd of 200 people staying around polling stations - and others running up & down kibra - preventing people from voting.Jubilee agents including MPS had to endure stones, insults and name it.
Kibra by-election certainly was not free and fair.
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Pundit? Any grapevine on Ruto BBI strategy. Or is it cowardly surrender - going chicken.
You don't sound so sure of your chances. Raila is busy lining up Luo 100% turnout. Things aren't always as they seem - isn't that one of your smart alec quips? The correct question is how Ruto will rebutt BBI while smarting from a dog beating.
What if Ruto wins Kibra? You know Raila right now is busy at high court trying to block Kibra elections tomorrow.
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Political std of proof is not water-tight court. Tanga Tanga can petition for ODM violence. But Pundit was mocking Raila for suing to see voter roll.
In Wajir Ruto bought out the competition - his guy "won" unopposed. Is a doper athlete a talent or a fraud? Pundit couldn't be contained. Now of course running to court doesn't look so good for the invincible facade.
Coming from a man who otherwise praises his side for using all means to stick to power. :o
As earlier mentioned here by Robina, 35% voter turnout by a by-election is normal. I have not heard IEBC complaining or any other election observation bodies. Only RV politicians are making noise and have not noticed their usual allies like Kimani Ichung'wah and John Kiarie have gone silent.
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my thinking.Jubilee never had any position on BBI and will not have one. Individual Jubilee membership will either support or reject. If it's parliament My Kenya will likely oppose it while others will support.End of the day Kenyatta knows better than entertain katiba so it be like other reports ...direct to the shelf or dustbin.
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Political std of proof is not water-tight court. Tanga Tanga can petition for ODM violence. But Pundit was mocking Raila for suing to see voter roll.
In Wajir Ruto bought out the competition - his guy "won" unopposed. Is a doper athlete a talent or a fraud? Pundit couldn't be contained. Now of course running to court doesn't look so good for the invincible facade.
Coming from a man who otherwise praises his side for using all means to stick to power. :o
As earlier mentioned here by Robina, 35% voter turnout by a by-election is normal. I have not heard IEBC complaining or any other election observation bodies. Only RV politicians are making noise and have not noticed their usual allies like Kimani Ichung'wah and John Kiarie have gone silent.
All conjecture but we saw odm violence.There is no need for court drama because it's only 2yrs before the next poll.2021 is start of campaigning...so Imran should be given 1yr to work.
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What will be Ruto's position? Uhuru will support inclusivity and more devolution.
my thinking.Jubilee never had any position on BBI and will not have one. Individual Jubilee membership will either support or reject. If it's parliament My Kenya will likely oppose it while others will support.End of the day Kenyatta knows better than entertain katiba so it be like other reports ...direct to the shelf or dustbin.
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Political std of proof is not water-tight court. Tanga Tanga can petition for ODM violence. But Pundit was mocking Raila for suing to see voter roll.
In Wajir Ruto bought out the competition - his guy "won" unopposed. Is a doper athlete a talent or a fraud? Pundit couldn't be contained. Now of course running to court doesn't look so good for the invincible facade.
Coming from a man who otherwise praises his side for using all means to stick to power. :o
As earlier mentioned here by Robina, 35% voter turnout by a by-election is normal. I have not heard IEBC complaining or any other election observation bodies. Only RV politicians are making noise and have not noticed their usual allies like Kimani Ichung'wah and John Kiarie have gone silent.
All conjecture but we saw odm violence.There is no need for court drama because it's only 2yrs before the next poll.2021 is start of campaigning...so Imran should be given 1yr to work.
That's nice. Very democratic. When you call electoral fraud chess game - and respect for law checkers - going to court doesn't look so good. A few clips of voters feasting in Karen and the judge toss out the petition.
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What will be Ruto's position? Uhuru will support inclusivity and more devolution.
my thinking.Jubilee never had any position on BBI and will not have one. Individual Jubilee membership will either support or reject. If it's parliament My Kenya will likely oppose it while others will support.End of the day Kenyatta knows better than entertain katiba so it be like other reports ...direct to the shelf or dustbin.
There are two plausible theories.. UhuRuto are stringing Raila along so they can keep him off the streets ..or UhuRuto have fallen out because Uhuru doesn't want to retire.Now if later theory is true..then Ruto & Kiunjuri will oppose BBI and let the chips fall.There is no way Ruto for fear of losing will support BBI.You should already know Ruto as go getter doesn't fear failure.If BBI is defeated he stands better chance to win and of course keep the current undiluted presidency.So no guessing..Ruto will oppose BBI.We shall see what kind of support Uhuru gives BBI.. lukewarm buy time type for next 2yrs or all hell break loose as he starts the rigorous process of changing the Constitution in next 2yrs.. 1) you know debate about BBI.. 2)drafting the constitutional ammendments bills .. 3)signature collections...4) Iebc verification..4)Mca approval in half the counties... 5)parliament vote....6) then iebc prepare for a referendum after 7) getting financing and then 8);campaigning for referendum...those are eight process each requires a minimum of 3 months..that is 24 months..well into 2022..where iebc will be handling nomination in first quarter and second quarter elections..then supreme Court for last quarter...some jokes are amazing.I don't want to factor the court cases, injunctions and crazy wars of words that will send the economy to ICU for 3 yrs.Uhuru is not keen to release BBI because of all that...throw in for a yr for IEBC to go round collecting views on boundaries reviews.That is already too much politics to get any shiet done
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Economy and legacy - or "peace" - are dicy concepts. Those are inventive scarecrows. Who need legacy without retire?The big economic factor is stability that inclusion address. Plus economic blocks, NHS - retooling devolution. What is a bigger legacy than inclusion and effective devolved services? BBI is a solution not a disruption.
Those 8 processes are easy peasy : Uhuru provide funds and machinery - Raila the legwork. With most non-Kikuyu & -Kalenjin supporting - it smooth sailing. Aukot and Kisii professor already got rebuffed by court. It will run parallel with few court cases that get tossed out.
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Raila that just threw the kitchen sink to save kibra is a spent force.Anyway BBI ikuje.I don't know why Uhuru is acting busy.
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Next week. Uhuru was waiting on Raila to subdue Ruto in Kibich. It hard to speak for majority immediately after dog beating.
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This is one fight Ruto should have avoided because it was unnecessary and had nothing to do with Kibira but everything to do with 2022 and and BBI manenos. Ruto gave Raila an opportunity to get a psychologically win and establish himself as a winner against the inevitable match-ups with Ruto. Imran would have won without Raila but Ruto's bone-headed strategy to bloody Raila's nose and humiliate him in his own "bedroom" backfired. Instead he gave Raila the opportunity to showcase his coalition alliance and look like the inevitable winner. In the process, Ruto made himself look like a loser, petty and petulant. Ruto has reinforced the fact that without Ouru he is a lightweight in Kenya's national A list politics. He has made Raila get credit for winning a seat, he would have gotten NO credit for winning. Trying to humiliate Raila in his own "bedroom" backfired big time. Raila supporters used the "bedroom" analogy effectively to galvanize their side. It was like throwing the tear-gas back to the police before it explodes.
Raila that just threw the kitchen sink to save kibra is a spent force.Anyway BBI ikuje.I don't know why Uhuru is acting busy.
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Kichwa once you concede like Mariga did it's over.That is what ODM has yet to learn.Ruto did the same with No,Narc.Has Raila ever conceded even when he was no 5 in 1997 he was frothing how Moi had stolen from him.Now the same father of Constitution want to kill it
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Mariga lost fair and square like Ouru lost in 2002. RAO won 2007, 2013 and 2017. Constitutions are supposed to be amended when they do not work well.
Kichwa once you concede like Mariga did it's over.That is what ODM has yet to learn.Ruto did the same with No,Narc.Has Raila ever conceded even when he was no 5 in 1997 he was frothing how Moi had stolen from him.Now the same father of Constitution want to kill it
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Raila also won in'1997 where he disputed elections despite coming distant 3rd or 4th . Go slow on conceding...let start parting ways....does it have to be acrimonious...with insults and character assiniation....Ruto part ways with many politicians nearly weekly but he never badmouth them...ODM and Raila have long way to modern democracy.That explain why odm internal elections in deep nyalgunga are no different from kibra . violence and rigging.
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admitting you lost is start of journey to winning..but living in bubble where everything is stolen is delusional.Mariga has learnt the lesson....next time fix the few issues.. starting with being a voter in kibra