Ruto-Kiunjuri 2012 ticket - you heard it here first in 2016

[RV Pundit]

Political std of proof is not water-tight court. Tanga Tanga can petition for ODM violence. But Pundit was mocking Raila for suing to see voter roll.

In Wajir Ruto bought out the competition - his guy "won" unopposed. Is a doper athlete a talent or a fraud? Pundit couldn't be contained. Now of course running to court doesn't look so good for the invincible facade.

Coming from a man who otherwise praises his side for using all means to stick to power.

As earlier mentioned here by Robina, 35% voter turnout by a by-election is normal. I have not heard IEBC complaining or any other election observation bodies. Only RV politicians are making noise and have not noticed their usual allies like Kimani Ichung'wah and John Kiarie have gone silent.

All conjecture but we saw odm violence.There is no need for court drama because it's only 2yrs before the next poll.2021 is start of campaigning...so Imran should be given 1yr to work.

[Nefertiti]

What will be Ruto's position? Uhuru will support inclusivity and more devolution.

my thinking.Jubilee never had any position on BBI and will not have one. Individual  Jubilee membership will either support or reject. If it's parliament My Kenya will likely oppose it while others will support.End of the day Kenyatta knows better than entertain katiba so it be like other reports ...direct to the shelf or dustbin.

[Nefertiti]

Political std of proof is not water-tight court. Tanga Tanga can petition for ODM violence. But Pundit was mocking Raila for suing to see voter roll.

In Wajir Ruto bought out the competition - his guy "won" unopposed. Is a doper athlete a talent or a fraud? Pundit couldn't be contained. Now of course running to court doesn't look so good for the invincible facade.

Coming from a man who otherwise praises his side for using all means to stick to power.

As earlier mentioned here by Robina, 35% voter turnout by a by-election is normal. I have not heard IEBC complaining or any other election observation bodies. Only RV politicians are making noise and have not noticed their usual allies like Kimani Ichung'wah and John Kiarie have gone silent.

All conjecture but we saw odm violence.There is no need for court drama because it's only 2yrs before the next poll.2021 is start of campaigning...so Imran should be given 1yr to work.

That's nice. Very democratic. When you call electoral fraud chess game - and respect for law checkers - going to court doesn't look so good. A few clips of voters feasting in Karen and the judge toss out the petition.

[RV Pundit]

What will be Ruto's position? Uhuru will support inclusivity and more devolution.

my thinking.Jubilee never had any position on BBI and will not have one. Individual  Jubilee membership will either support or reject. If it's parliament My Kenya will likely oppose it while others will support.End of the day Kenyatta knows better than entertain katiba so it be like other reports ...direct to the shelf or dustbin.

There are two plausible theories.. UhuRuto are stringing Raila along so they can keep him off the streets ..or UhuRuto have fallen out because Uhuru doesn't want to retire.Now if later theory is true..then Ruto & Kiunjuri will oppose BBI and let the chips fall.There is no way Ruto for fear of losing will support BBI.You should already know Ruto as go getter doesn't fear failure.If BBI is defeated he stands better chance to win and of course keep the current undiluted presidency.So no guessing..Ruto will oppose BBI.We shall see what kind of support Uhuru gives BBI.. lukewarm buy time type for next 2yrs or all hell break loose as he starts the rigorous process of changing the Constitution in next 2yrs.. 1) you know debate about BBI.. 2)drafting the constitutional ammendments bills .. 3)signature collections...4) Iebc verification..4)Mca approval in half the counties... 5)parliament vote....6) then iebc prepare for a referendum after 7) getting financing and then ;campaigning for referendum...those are eight process each requires a minimum of 3 months..that is 24 months..well into 2022..where iebc will be handling nomination in first quarter and second quarter elections..then supreme Court for last quarter...some jokes are amazing.I don't want to factor the court cases, injunctions and crazy wars of words that will send the economy to ICU for 3 yrs.Uhuru is not keen to release BBI because of all that...throw in for a yr for IEBC to go round collecting views on boundaries reviews.That is already too much politics to get any shiet done

[Nefertiti]

Economy and legacy - or "peace" - are dicy concepts. Those are inventive scarecrows. Who need legacy without retire?The big economic factor is stability that inclusion address. Plus economic blocks, NHS - retooling devolution. What is a bigger legacy than inclusion and effective devolved services? BBI is a solution not a disruption.

Those 8 processes are easy peasy : Uhuru provide funds and machinery - Raila the legwork. With most non-Kikuyu & -Kalenjin supporting - it smooth sailing. Aukot and Kisii professor already got rebuffed by court. It will run parallel with few court cases that get tossed out.

[RV Pundit]

Raila that just threw the kitchen sink to save kibra is a spent force.Anyway BBI ikuje.I don't know why Uhuru is acting busy.

[Nefertiti]

Next week. Uhuru was waiting on Raila to subdue Ruto in Kibich. It hard to speak for majority immediately after dog beating.

[Kichwa]

This is one fight Ruto should have avoided because it was unnecessary and  had nothing to do with Kibira but everything to do with 2022 and and BBI manenos.  Ruto gave Raila an opportunity to get a psychologically win and establish himself as a winner against the inevitable match-ups with Ruto. Imran would have won without Raila but Ruto's bone-headed strategy to bloody Raila's nose and humiliate him in his own "bedroom" backfired. Instead he gave Raila the opportunity to showcase his coalition alliance and look like the inevitable winner.  In the process, Ruto made himself look like a loser, petty and petulant. Ruto has reinforced the fact that without Ouru he is a lightweight in Kenya's national A list politics. He has made Raila get credit for winning a seat, he would have gotten NO credit for winning.  Trying to humiliate  Raila in his own "bedroom" backfired big time.  Raila supporters used the "bedroom" analogy effectively to galvanize their side.  It was like throwing the tear-gas back to the police before it explodes.

Raila that just threw the kitchen sink to save kibra is a spent force.Anyway BBI ikuje.I don't know why Uhuru is acting busy.

[RV Pundit]

Kichwa once you concede like Mariga did it's over.That is what ODM has yet to learn.Ruto did the same with No,Narc.Has Raila ever conceded even when he was no 5 in 1997 he was frothing how Moi had stolen from him.Now the same father of Constitution want to kill it

[Kichwa]

Mariga  lost fair and square like Ouru lost in 2002. RAO won 2007, 2013 and 2017.  Constitutions are supposed to be amended when they do not work well.

Kichwa once you concede like Mariga did it's over.That is what ODM has yet to learn.Ruto did the same with No,Narc.Has Raila ever conceded even when he was no 5 in 1997 he was frothing how Moi had stolen from him.Now the same father of Constitution want to kill it

[RV Pundit]

Raila also won in'1997 where he disputed elections despite coming distant 3rd or 4th . Go slow on conceding...let start parting ways....does it have to be acrimonious...with insults and character assiniation....Ruto part ways with many politicians nearly weekly but he  never badmouth them...ODM and Raila have long way to modern democracy.That explain why odm internal elections in deep nyalgunga are no different from kibra . violence and rigging.

[RV Pundit]

admitting you lost is start of journey to winning..but living in bubble where everything is stolen is delusional.Mariga has learnt the lesson....next time fix the few issues.. starting with being a voter in kibra