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Re: Ruto-Kiunjuri 2012 ticket - you heard it here first in 2016
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2019, 08:00:42 AM »
Read the first post here - these are nyeri & kirinyanga mps. Laikipia apart from Governor - are all for Kiunjuri. RV kiuks are in Ruto for sake of peace of their people. Kiunjuri is an icing on their cake. Because for long time they feel - central kikuyus - misuse them.

This time round RV Kikuyus will break up with Central Kikuyus if need be. They have enjoyed peace the last 10yrs and don't want somebody re-opening old wounds - and also to win stuff like senate or governor in nakuru or laikipia - you have to be friendly to all tribes.

So the dying breed of kikuyu nationalism like Kuria are going nowhere.
The next election will be about the economy esp. in mount kenya region. If there's one thing that all legislators agree on whether tanga or kieleweke is that economy is terrible and jubilee is to blame. Ruto-kiunjuri are part of the problem. This is why the likes of kuria, mwaura, mathira Mp rigathi are openly complaining and getting overwhelming support. 

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Re: Ruto-Kiunjuri 2012 ticket - you heard it here first in 2016
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2019, 09:32:05 AM »
Uhuru will carry his own cross. That is why likes of Ruto have left him alone to drive his agenda. It probable Raila can also be pinned down for anything that went wrong :) thanks to handshake. All in all - politicians - will shape the debate. Ruto has his own narrative - Hustlers versus Dynasty - but I see Raila also getting blame for handshake messing economy & Jubilee.
The next election will be about the economy esp. in mount kenya region. If there's one thing that all legislators agree on whether tanga or kieleweke is that economy is terrible and jubilee is to blame. Ruto-kiunjuri are part of the problem. This is why the likes of kuria, mwaura, mathira Mp rigathi are openly complaining and getting overwhelming support. 

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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2019, 01:48:43 PM »
Uhuru is going nowhere and your boy will end up with Madvd or Washiali. He is DOA in Mt Kenya.
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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2019, 02:03:52 PM »
When you ammend the Katiba - we will know that.  You have exactly two years to do that. BBI -I don't know why Uhuru is not prioritizing it - and is busy launching other not so important task.

Article 142 - 2) A person shall not hold office as President for more than two terms.

Uhuru is going nowhere and your boy will end up with Madvd or Washiali. He is DOA in Mt Kenya.

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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2019, 02:18:13 PM »
He is waiting for Raila to finish up Ruto in Kibra. It's a team. Your boy has capitulated already on parliamentary. It will be unanimous or pass with a few makelele. Once countless folks push Uhuru to continue - to ensure smooth transition :D as Exec PM - Gema will have to pick Uhuru 2.0 or Moi 2.0 -it a no-brainer.

When you ammend the Katiba - we will know that.  You have exactly two years to do that. BBI -I don't know why Uhuru is not prioritizing it - and is busy launching other not so important task.

Article 142 - 2) A person shall not hold office as President for more than two terms.
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« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2019, 02:46:02 PM »
What if Ruto wins Kibra? You know Raila right now is busy at high court trying to block Kibra elections tomorrow.
He is waiting for Raila to finish up Ruto in Kibra. It's a team. Your boy has capitulated already on parliamentary. It will be unanimous or pass with a few makelele. Once countless folks push Uhuru to continue - to ensure smooth transition :D as Exec PM - Gema will have to pick Uhuru 2.0 or Moi 2.0 -it a no-brainer.

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« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2019, 03:12:36 PM »
You don't sound so sure of your chances. Raila is busy lining up Luo 100% turnout. Things aren't always as they seem - isn't that one of your smart alec quips? The correct question is how Ruto will rebutt BBI while smarting from a dog beating.

What if Ruto wins Kibra? You know Raila right now is busy at high court trying to block Kibra elections tomorrow.
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« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2019, 03:37:18 PM »
1) 100% Luo vote will not help Baba.That is just winning 25% of the vote or even less.
2) Baba just lost Kamba vote - by calling them cheap. "Kambas are faithful, just like women When they want to give it to you, they will."
3) Baba is now busy fighting with maDVD - opening yet another from in Luhya.
4) Owalo will eat into Baba votes.

Finally,Mariga is poised for huge win. He just need Luhyas and Kikuyus.

Baba initially dismissed Ruto ethnic campaigns - where Ruto was taking each of ethnic groups to dine in Karen - but at last minute he was desperately looking for Kikuyus, Luos and Nubians to meet him.

Now the man is at High Court trying to stop the dog beating.

As for BBI - we will cross that bridge when we get there. It appears Uhuru is not to keen - after central drew the line on parliamentary system.


You don't sound so sure of your chances. Raila is busy lining up Luo 100% turnout. Things aren't always as they seem - isn't that one of your smart alec quips? The correct question is how Ruto will rebutt BBI while smarting from a dog beating.

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« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2019, 03:54:14 PM »
Your propaganda where Luhya and Kikuyu are majority - while they have 1 MCA each. Luo have 3. Luo 35% need only a few top ups from Gusii, Nubians, Luhya and Kamba. Raila got all the 2nd tier influencers while Ruto has Khalwale and Nixon. Mariga need 100% Luhya and Kikuyu to match Luo. Of course Luhya unity and turnout is unbankable.

BBI - Uhuru doesn't need Kikuyu to pass parliamentary. If Ruto capitulate Kiunjuri or Kioni resistance is moot. If Ruto put up a fight - it will be Kalenjin and Kikuyu vs Kenya. He lose referendum - lose non-Gema - then try to cling onto Kikuyu vs Uhuru 2.0. But gossip say the coward is ready to surrender without a fight.

Anyway no need for all this. Kibra will be over in 2days. BBI shortly after. These are not horizons unlike Ruto-Kiunjuri.

1) 100% Luo vote will not help Baba.That is just winning 25% of the vote or even less.
2) Baba just lost Kamba vote - by calling them cheap. "Kambas are faithful, just like women When they want to give it to you, they will."
3) Baba is now busy fighting with maDVD - opening yet another from in Luhya.
4) Owalo will eat into Baba votes.

Finally,Mariga is poised for huge win. He just need Luhyas and Kikuyus.

Baba initially dismissed Ruto ethnic campaigns - where Ruto was taking each of ethnic groups to dine in Karen - but at last minute he was desperately looking for Kikuyus, Luos and Nubians to meet him.

Now the man is at High Court trying to stop the dog beating.

As for BBI - we will cross that bridge when we get there. It appears Uhuru is not to keen - after central drew the line on parliamentary system.
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Re: Ruto-Kiunjuri 2012 ticket - you heard it here first in 2016
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2019, 08:14:05 PM »
the 2 watermelons bracing for kibra dog beating


Ruto reaches out to Kalonzo for new political alliance
The two politicians' lieutenants have already held three meetings, the most recent on Monday night

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https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-11-07-ruto-reaches-out-to-kalonzo-for-new-political-alliance/
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Re: Ruto-Kiunjuri 2012 ticket - you heard it here first in 2016
« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2019, 08:32:42 PM »
Kalonzo is going nowhere...just being used..his bedroom like Raila is under serious threat

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« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2019, 11:03:28 PM »
Kalonzo is totally useless. noone in Raila or Ruto backyard openly challenge them. maybe one-off Isaac or Obado. For Kalonzo it's so open- all 3 governors supported Imran.
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« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2019, 11:07:10 PM »
Looks like Imran 58% vs 25% Mariga. Dog beating classic. Owalo 15%. Butichi 1% expose deadwood Rectangular.
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Re: Ruto-Kiunjuri 2012 ticket - you heard it here first in 2016
« Reply #33 on: November 08, 2019, 11:49:06 AM »
The usual Pundit gimmicks leading to nowhere.
Now he comes up with excuses, Luos refused others to vote. Only RV politicians busy complaining and no word from the rest Tanga Tanga gangsters.

1) 100% Luo vote will not help Baba.That is just winning 25% of the vote or even less.
2) Baba just lost Kamba vote - by calling them cheap. "Kambas are faithful, just like women When they want to give it to you, they will."
3) Baba is now busy fighting with maDVD - opening yet another from in Luhya.
4) Owalo will eat into Baba votes.

Finally,Mariga is poised for huge win. He just need Luhyas and Kikuyus.

Baba initially dismissed Ruto ethnic campaigns - where Ruto was taking each of ethnic groups to dine in Karen - but at last minute he was desperately looking for Kikuyus, Luos and Nubians to meet him.

Now the man is at High Court trying to stop the dog beating.

As for BBI - we will cross that bridge when we get there. It appears Uhuru is not to keen - after central drew the line on parliamentary system.

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Re: Ruto-Kiunjuri 2012 ticket - you heard it here first in 2016
« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2019, 12:24:49 PM »
There was violence everywhere - what seem to have happened - ODM planned their strongholds to vote very early - and come around 10am - they implemented intimidation - with a crowd of 200 people staying around polling stations - and others running up & down kibra - preventing people from voting.Jubilee agents including MPS had to endure stones, insults and name it.

Kibra by-election certainly was not free and fair.

The usual Pundit gimmicks leading to nowhere.
Now he comes up with excuses, Luos refused others to vote. Only RV politicians busy complaining and no word from the rest Tanga Tanga gangsters.

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« Reply #35 on: November 08, 2019, 01:43:22 PM »
Coming from a man who otherwise praises his side for using all means to stick to power. :o

As earlier mentioned here by Robina, 35% voter turnout by a by-election is normal. I have not heard IEBC complaining or any other election observation bodies. Only RV politicians are making noise and have not noticed their usual allies like Kimani Ichung'wah and John Kiarie have gone silent.

There was violence everywhere - what seem to have happened - ODM planned their strongholds to vote very early - and come around 10am - they implemented intimidation - with a crowd of 200 people staying around polling stations - and others running up & down kibra - preventing people from voting.Jubilee agents including MPS had to endure stones, insults and name it.

Kibra by-election certainly was not free and fair.

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« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2019, 01:50:43 PM »
Kibra was not just the usual by-election. It was like a mini general elections. The violence was all over. That Ruto bribed voters is conjecture - nobody has shown evidence of Mariga or Ruto dishing money. The violent conduct of ODM Is all over the media.

I can say Ruto is corrupt - but I have no evidence. When I say ODM ocherstracted violent acts - it all over the news.

Coming from a man who otherwise praises his side for using all means to stick to power. :o

As earlier mentioned here by Robina, 35% voter turnout by a by-election is normal. I have not heard IEBC complaining or any other election observation bodies. Only RV politicians are making noise and have not noticed their usual allies like Kimani Ichung'wah and John Kiarie have gone silent.

There was violence everywhere - what seem to have happened - ODM planned their strongholds to vote very early - and come around 10am - they implemented intimidation - with a crowd of 200 people staying around polling stations - and others running up & down kibra - preventing people from voting.Jubilee agents including MPS had to endure stones, insults and name it.

Kibra by-election certainly was not free and fair.

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« Reply #37 on: November 08, 2019, 06:09:27 PM »
Pundit? Any grapevine on Ruto BBI strategy. Or is it cowardly surrender - going chicken.

You don't sound so sure of your chances. Raila is busy lining up Luo 100% turnout. Things aren't always as they seem - isn't that one of your smart alec quips? The correct question is how Ruto will rebutt BBI while smarting from a dog beating.

What if Ruto wins Kibra? You know Raila right now is busy at high court trying to block Kibra elections tomorrow.
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« Reply #38 on: November 08, 2019, 06:20:22 PM »
Political std of proof is not water-tight court. Tanga Tanga can petition for ODM violence. But Pundit was mocking Raila for suing to see voter roll.

In Wajir Ruto bought out the competition - his guy "won" unopposed. Is a doper athlete a talent or a fraud? Pundit couldn't be contained. Now of course running to court doesn't look so good for the invincible facade.


Coming from a man who otherwise praises his side for using all means to stick to power. :o

As earlier mentioned here by Robina, 35% voter turnout by a by-election is normal. I have not heard IEBC complaining or any other election observation bodies. Only RV politicians are making noise and have not noticed their usual allies like Kimani Ichung'wah and John Kiarie have gone silent.
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« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2019, 06:23:29 PM »
my thinking.Jubilee never had any position on BBI and will not have one. Individual  Jubilee membership will either support or reject. If it's parliament My Kenya will likely oppose it while others will support.End of the day Kenyatta knows better than entertain katiba so it be like other reports ...direct to the shelf or dustbin.