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Re: Why is ruto being so harsh to people that gave him their votes willingly
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2024, 12:38:18 AM »
I am not naive to think the Moraras of this world will become president but I think they can make a lot of inroads in parliament, senate and local elections. This will be a start, the GenZs have one advantage, time. They can wait for these guys to drop dead or go to jail. For now, their goal should be to recapture parliament, senate and local elections but in 2027, I am assuming they will support someone like Kalonzo as a transition candidate. The goal right now is to get Ruto and Raila out of our politics, the way foward can be negotiated after the elections. A candidate like Kalonzo/Matiangi, Kalonzo/Omtatah etc can really catch fire but three years is a lifetime in politics. The only thing I know 100% is that Ruto is dead in Mt Kenya and the stupidity of it all is that no one even really liked Gachagua in Mt Kenya, he is considered more of a laughable court jester. Ruto could have found ways of completely isolating him, anyone with a brain knew that Mudavadi was actually the DP but Ruto through stupidity, hubris or bad advice decided to make him a hero. Mt Kenya is now seething mad in silence, they are steaming about the betrayal and on top of it the insults ati sijui villagers etc. I happened to attend a mt Kenya diaspora event this weekend, I was laughing on the inside at how mad these people are, Ruto better make sure diaspora does not vote, he will not get a single mt Kenya vote from the diaspora and its a huge constituency.

Riggy problem is how to shepherd Mt Kenya away from Ruto's attempts at division via Kindiki. Because he lacks 1)non-Gema clout or national following and 2)adequate finances, he will be tempted to sell them to Raila.

One thing going for Riggy is that Kindiki is not Kiraitu but a spineless Tharaka dwarf who couldn't take on mere Muthomi Njuki. Riggy's real enemy remains Ruto.

GenZ would only rally behind a promising campaign that Riggy and Kalonzo lack the wherewithal to mount and are not a bankable constituency.
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Re: Why is ruto being so harsh to people that gave him their votes willingly
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2024, 04:07:51 AM »
Robina, once youre deputy president With chance to be president anytime, n most likely in 2023, the game changes for kindiki. Youll see mt kenya east back the dwarf. Then Ruto knows how to sell n market him. Once all the mcas , mps, senators, n governors in 3 counties agree to back him then people will follow the cue. Mt kenya east faultlines With kikuyus will become huge pretty soon. For now the mt kenya east are still weighing.

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Re: Why is ruto being so harsh to people that gave him their votes willingly
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2024, 04:11:28 AM »
RiggyG, going through the opposite effects, without his office he is nothing. They are going to leave him isolated. TV shows yesterday were cancelled. The last of his supporters in mps n senators will slowly abandon him. He will have to join kalonzo bandwagon but unlike kalonzo,wamalwa n martha With few skletons the moment he talks bad...his assets will be frozen n corruption cases opened. Now he has daggers over his head.

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Re: Why is ruto being so harsh to people that gave him their votes willingly
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2024, 04:53:43 AM »
Riggy has already done his job, he has made Ruto a stinky mess in Mt Kenya. He has made Mpigs in central cower in fear with careers destroyed. All he now has to do is back someone like Kalonzo and it’s a deal done. Anything done by Ruto to Gachagua from here will be considered retaliation and will even make mt Kenya crazier. I also think that the next election will not be about money, people like Morara are threatening to topple the government with peanuts from mama mbogas. If it comes down to money, mt Kenya has plenty of money, that’s not a big problem.

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Re: Why is ruto being so harsh to people that gave him their votes willingly
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2024, 05:04:23 AM »
You over-estimate kikuyus - 17% of pop in 2009 - now should be 15% or less. You'll soon discover kenya ni kubwa.
Riggy has already done his job, he has made Ruto a stinky mess in Mt Kenya. He has made Mpigs in central cower in fear with careers destroyed. All he now has to do is back someone like Kalonzo and it’s a deal done. Anything done by Ruto to Gachagua from here will be considered retaliation and will even make mt Kenya crazier. I also think that the next election will not be about money, people like Morara are threatening to topple the government with peanuts from mama mbogas. If it comes down to money, mt Kenya has plenty of money, that’s not a big problem.

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Re: Why is ruto being so harsh to people that gave him their votes willingly
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2024, 06:18:45 AM »
RiggyG, going through the opposite effects, without his office he is nothing. They are going to leave him isolated. TV shows yesterday were cancelled. The last of his supporters in mps n senators will slowly abandon him. He will have to join kalonzo bandwagon but unlike kalonzo,wamalwa n martha With few skletons the moment he talks bad...his assets will be frozen n corruption cases opened. Now he has daggers over his head.

It really depends on how good a player Riggy becomes. He can seize the moment or fade into the oblivion. Persecution would have the opposite effect as we saw when Uhuru froze his cash and prosecuted him.

I am not saying I have full confidence in his game but he has nothing to lose so let's see.
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Re: Why is ruto being so harsh to people that gave him their votes willingly
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2024, 06:41:49 AM »
My Kenya cannot win a presidential election alone but you cannot win presidency without Mt Kenya. It’s also scary when you combine mt Kenya, Kambas, Kisiis, genZ, and other disaffected Kenyans. That’s a scary constituency. One thing about Kikuyus is that they always come in large numbers to fight for what is right. This is why they are now mostly on GenZ bandwagon, a lot of Kikuyus stop being tribal when economy and freedoms are threatened. This is why Ruto became president, also the reason they like Kalonzo, Wamalwa, Morara etc deep inside, most Kikuyus would rather see a fair and free country.

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Re: Why is ruto being so harsh to people that gave him their votes willingly
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2024, 06:44:37 AM »
RiggyG was part of big team under Ruto.
This is time he either create his own team - he has serious personal weakness or character flaw - and cant do this.
Or join Kalonzo bandwagon or kenyatta.
I think he will prefer Kalonzo - if he goes back to being Kenyatta PA - he  has lost

It really depends on how good a player Riggy becomes. He can seize the moment or fade into the oblivion. Persecution would have the opposite effect as we saw when Uhuru froze his cash and prosecuted him.

I am not saying I have full confidence in his game but he has nothing to lose so let's see.

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Re: Why is ruto being so harsh to people that gave him their votes willingly
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2024, 06:46:15 AM »
Eti you cannot win presidency without Mt kenya - is that a mathematical fact or make believe nonsense.
My Kenya cannot win a presidential election alone but you cannot win presidency without Mt Kenya. It’s also scary when you combine mt Kenya, Kambas, Kisiis, genZ, and other disaffected Kenyans. That’s a scary constituency. One thing about Kikuyus is that they always come in large numbers to fight for what is right. This is why they are now mostly on GenZ bandwagon, a lot of Kikuyus stop being tribal when economy and freedoms are threatened. This is why Ruto became president, also the reason they like Kalonzo, Wamalwa, Morara etc deep inside, most Kikuyus would rather see a fair and free country.

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Re: Why is ruto being so harsh to people that gave him their votes willingly
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2024, 07:41:39 AM »
Only Moi type rigging, Mt Kenya and friends is scary. It scares me that they are really quiet. That’s a big and monied constituency. I think yo are soon going to realize how scary that is, it’s a kale wake up call. I am not even a mt Kenya supremacist, I believe in supremacy of ideas and not numbers but that’s a scary constituency.

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Re: Why is ruto being so harsh to people that gave him their votes willingly
« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2024, 10:17:06 AM »
Ruto is definitely not scared - and fired RIGGY who was making similar arguments. 2027 you'll be crying. Win first Nairobi governorship.
Only Moi type rigging, Mt Kenya and friends is scary. It scares me that they are really quiet. That’s a big and monied constituency. I think yo are soon going to realize how scary that is, it’s a kale wake up call. I am not even a mt Kenya supremacist, I believe in supremacy of ideas and not numbers but that’s a scary constituency.

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Re: Why is ruto being so harsh to people that gave him their votes willingly
« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2024, 11:02:26 AM »
Since February, he has been scared shitless. Time is ticking even for him.

Ruto is definitely not scared - and fired RIGGY who was making similar arguments. 2027 you'll be crying. Win first Nairobi governorship.
Only Moi type rigging, Mt Kenya and friends is scary. It scares me that they are really quiet. That’s a big and monied constituency. I think yo are soon going to realize how scary that is, it’s a kale wake up call. I am not even a mt Kenya supremacist, I believe in supremacy of ideas and not numbers but that’s a scary constituency.
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Re: Why is ruto being so harsh to people that gave him their votes willingly
« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2024, 12:22:49 PM »
3yrs is enough time to figure out something. He is career politician.
Since February, he has been scared shitless. Time is ticking even for him.