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Title: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Omollo on June 20, 2018, 01:54:11 PM
Evidence shows Ruto is now fighting back.

He has, using his proxies taken it to Uhuru's doorstep:

1. Named locations where Uhuru is hiding toxic sugar and other contraband
2. Caused his trucks to be impounded while transporting contraband sugar
3. Offered to face a "Lifestyle Audit" ahead of everyone else but asked all public officers to line up behind him

I think he knows Uhuru will flunk such an audit - if it is ever held with any degree of credibility.

Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Kadudu on June 20, 2018, 02:03:58 PM
Those are sideshows. Both would fail any credible lifestyle audit starting from 2013. Ruto is banking on starting with Jomo knowing very well by the time we get to him it will be 2099.
The problem is Kenyans know there is runaway corruption in the country and now Uhuru wants to display Ruto as the main culprit. Uhuru and his cronies have looted a tenfold of what Ruto and his crude cronies have looted since 2013.

Evidence shows Ruto is now fighting back.

He has, using his proxies taken it to Uhuru's doorstep:

1. Named locations where Uhuru is hiding toxic sugar and other contraband
2. Caused his trucks to be impounded while transporting contraband sugar
3. Offered to face a "Lifestyle Audit" ahead of everyone else but asked all public officers to line up behind him

I think he knows Uhuru will flunk such an audit - if it is ever held with any degree of credibility.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Omollo on June 20, 2018, 02:09:37 PM
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Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Omollo on June 20, 2018, 02:19:14 PM
The strategy to make Ruto the Face of Corruption, if indeed it was, is doomed to fail.

Uhuru it would look is good at stealing elections. Perhaps because the mother is a cold calculating person with zero emotions. Taking out a guy like Ruto requires nothing slower than lightening. Ruto is the kind of guy if given 3 seconds to breath will mobilize enough power to be rescued from the face of a firing squad.

I liken him to Jean Paul Marat of the French Revolution.

In other words - and I am not advocating for it - such a person can only be assassinated. Like a socialist or communist in Africa, there is no way you can remove him from power short of an internal revolt within his own organization. Ruto has a network of cells  that would make a communist envious.

My view is that if Uhuru fails to get rid of him within the next 3 months, Ruto will get rid of Uhuru faster than he can wipe his asshole.

Those are sideshows. Both would fail any credible lifestyle audit starting from 2013. Ruto is banking on starting with Jomo knowing very well by the time we get to him it will be 2099.

The problem is Kenyans know there is runaway corruption in the country and now Uhuru wants to display Ruto as the main culprit. Uhuru and his cronies have looted a tenfold of what Ruto and his crude cronies have looted since 2013.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on June 20, 2018, 03:01:55 PM
You are over estimating ruto...uhuru is going to chocke Somali billionaires. once they shift their money to uhuru ..ruto will be cash strapped..in 2 years his empire will collapse like the alliance hotels..this Putin vs Russian Luke oil oligarchs

Remember kalenjins displaced 300k kikuyus..no community will do such a thing to vengeful gema and go free...you are in for some balls smashing season of political blood letting

Muthaura is in kra...that is one of the pillars uhuru will use this kill off ruto rebellion
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Omollo on June 20, 2018, 04:17:51 PM
Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote and look for
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if Uhuru fails to get rid of him within the next 3 months, Ruto will get rid of Uhuru faster than he can wipe his asshole.

It means if Ruto has not fallen in the next three months, Uhuru would have failed to get rid of him and he would be facing a massive counter attack.

You are over estimating ruto...uhuru is going to chocke Somali billionaires. once they shift their money to uhuru ..ruto will be cash strapped..in 2 years his empire will collapse like the alliance hotels..this Putin vs Russian Luke oil oligarchs

Remember kalenjins displaced 300k kikuyus..no community will do such a thing to vengeful gema and go free...you are in for some balls smashing season of political blood letting

Muthaura is in kra...that is one of the pillars uhuru will use this kill off ruto rebellion
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Kichwa on June 20, 2018, 05:23:15 PM
True,  assassinations  were so effective because they happened before people knew there was problems in paradise and therefore very easy to deny. Ouru had already announced his problems with Ruto and inoculated him from assassination. If anything happens to Ruto now then Ouru will be held responsible no matter what.  Ouru therefore has no choice but to either finish Ruto politically or find an iron clad criminal case against him. Either way Ruto will fight back. This is not necessarily bad for Kenya. Ourutu era was bad for Kenya and it will end up consuming both of them. They expended too much energy fighting ICC and Raila and destroyed Kenya. A real Greek tragedy. Maybe a Phoenix will rise from the ashes. 

The strategy to make Ruto the Face of Corruption, if indeed it was, is doomed to fail.

Uhuru it would look is good at stealing elections. Perhaps because the mother is a cold calculating person with zero emotions. Taking out a guy like Ruto requires nothing slower than lightening. Ruto is the kind of guy if given 3 seconds to breath will mobilize enough power to be rescued from the face of a firing squad.

I liken him to Jean Paul Marat of the French Revolution.

In other words - and I am not advocating for it - such a person can only be assassinated. Like a socialist or communist in Africa, there is no way you can remove him from power short of an internal revolt within his own organization. Ruto has a network of cells  that would make a communist envious.

My view is that if Uhuru fails to get rid of him within the next 3 months, Ruto will get rid of Uhuru faster than he can wipe his asshole.

Those are sideshows. Both would fail any credible lifestyle audit starting from 2013. Ruto is banking on starting with Jomo knowing very well by the time we get to him it will be 2099.

The problem is Kenyans know there is runaway corruption in the country and now Uhuru wants to display Ruto as the main culprit. Uhuru and his cronies have looted a tenfold of what Ruto and his crude cronies have looted since 2013.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Omollo on June 20, 2018, 07:51:24 PM
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Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: patel on June 20, 2018, 08:01:59 PM
Only few took the bait that Uhuru was ever going to fight corruption.  Waste of time...kusema na kusema tuu
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 20, 2018, 08:30:59 PM
Only few took the bait that Uhuru was ever going to fight corruption.  Waste of time...kusema na kusema tuu

I don't think anybody believes that.  It's an open secret that this is about GEMA telling the hustler they owe him nothing.  There are no good guys.  So no tears to shed for whoever catches the brunt.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Kichwa on June 20, 2018, 08:51:33 PM
The most important thing is that the thieves are now openly fighting and even our resident ostrich Pundit can no longer deny. I think the genie is completely out of the box and cannot be rebottled.   Ouru should now go to plan B because plan A is oviously not working. Actually he should skip plan B and C and move straight to plan D because he wasted too much time playing coy after the handshake shook Ruto to the core.  I still believe Ouru has an upper hand but like Omollo said, the window is closing fast.

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Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Nefertiti on June 20, 2018, 11:47:55 PM
Uhuru is happy-go-lucky, slow witted, lazy and not interested in a fight. He wants to retire quietly. It must be your boy Raila who is misleading him. Ruto had likely anticipated the betrayal scenario and planted informers everywhere. He can sabotage and embarass Uhuru easily like he has done with sugar. Akicheza next the poison sugar will show up at Brookeside and the media will be tipped off.

I see Uhuru making peace as he awaits retirement... and for this slight he can forget about the Jubilee Party Leader from which he will be fired as soon as he leaves office.

The most important thing is that the thieves are now openly fighting and even our resident ostrich Pundit can no longer deny. I think the genie is completely out of the box and cannot be rebottled.   Ouru should now go to plan B because plan A is oviously not working. Actually he should skip plan B and C and move straight to plan D because he wasted too much time playing coy after the handshake shook Ruto to the core.  I still believe Ouru has an upper hand but like Omollo said, the window is closing fast.

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Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Nefertiti on June 20, 2018, 11:53:01 PM
Just saw JFK online... Mohamed Ali the Jicho Pevu dude from Nyali. He wonders how expensive mercury can be sold off cheaply as sugar. That Matiang'i is playing politics. Then CS Adan Mohamed has contradicted Matiang'i publicly. Uhuru's war will become a circus very easily and he will be left with egg in the face.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Nefertiti on June 21, 2018, 12:28:29 AM
Only few took the bait that Uhuru was ever going to fight corruption.  Waste of time...kusema na kusema tuu

I don't think anybody believes that.  It's an open secret that this is about GEMA telling the hustler they owe him nothing.  There are no good guys.  So no tears to shed for whoever catches the brunt.

bitmask correctly predicted that Uhuru and GEMA would not reciprocate Ruto's political support. Well, a good chunk of them are actively scheming against him, some support him while Uhuru is now a watermelon. Well done bitmask, you have one forecast up on Pundit.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 21, 2018, 01:17:19 AM
Only few took the bait that Uhuru was ever going to fight corruption.  Waste of time...kusema na kusema tuu

I don't think anybody believes that.  It's an open secret that this is about GEMA telling the hustler they owe him nothing.  There are no good guys.  So no tears to shed for whoever catches the brunt.

bitmask correctly predicted that Uhuru and GEMA would not reciprocate Ruto's political support. Well, a good chunk of them are actively scheming against him, some support him while Uhuru is now a watermelon. Well done bitmask, you have one forecast up on Pundit.

Thanks.  But I take no pride in that.  It's like noticing the sky is blue  :D.  I am sure Pundit also knew this was coming down the pipeline, but did not want to jinx his hopes.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Omollo on June 21, 2018, 04:50:47 AM
You are partially right. However note that Uhuru has other arrangements and understandings with other parties apart from Ruto.

1. The deal with Moi
2. The deal with Raila

These two are in some way linked. Moi does not want a war with Raila and in this he is supported by Mama Ngina. These are the deals tying Uhuru's hands. If he backs Ruto he ends up having Moi and Raila on one side.

It is more like the story of the man carrying grass, a leopard and a goat. He can only carry one item at a time. If he leaves the goat and the grass behind or the leopard and the goat, he will suffer a loss.

He can take the goat and the grass and leave behind the leopard but on his return to pick the leopard, he will find the goat belching. Now if he takes the goat and the leopard, he will return to find the latter belching.

He must choose which of the two - Leopard or goat - he will have with him as he returns for the one he leaves behind on the first trip.

I was told he picked the goat and the grass first then returned with the goat to pick the leopard. He might as well have taken the leopard with him all along

Uhuru is happy-go-lucky, slow witted, lazy and not interested in a fight. He wants to retire quietly. It must be your boy Raila who is misleading him. Ruto had likely anticipated the betrayal scenario and planted informers everywhere. He can sabotage and embarass Uhuru easily like he has done with sugar. Akicheza next the poison sugar will show up at Brookeside and the media will be tipped off.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Kichwa on June 21, 2018, 06:21:06 AM
Ouru can finish Ruto and still be left standing but Ruto cannot finish Ouru wilthout finishing himself unless he had the backing of Raila. But I think he went too far with Raila. He cannot finish both Ouru and Raila. He is not that powerful.

Just saw JFK online... Mohamed Ali the Jicho Pevu dude from Nyali. He wonders how expensive mercury can be sold off cheaply as sugar. That Matiang'i is playing politics. Then CS Adan Mohamed has contradicted Matiang'i publicly. Uhuru's war will become a circus very easily and he will be left with egg in the face.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 21, 2018, 08:09:59 AM
why would Uhuru fight Ruto.For what end.Nothing.Uhuru $ some inner circle are just worried about perpuating themselves  after 2022.Uhuru doesnt want to become lameduck early nor retire in 2022.The problem with Uhuru he has no energy to do anything on his own...so when shit hit the fan hell need a Ruto or Raila to hold his hand.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 21, 2018, 10:51:26 AM
GEMA need to look forward - not backward - otherwise right now there is youth bulge in RV & people haven't adjsusted to reduced land sizes that can longer support kind of "large" scale lazy farming they are accosted to..and would make 2007 pev look like walk in the park - if they saw an opportunity to loot.
You are over estimating ruto...uhuru is going to chocke Somali billionaires. once they shift their money to uhuru ..ruto will be cash strapped..in 2 years his empire will collapse like the alliance hotels..this Putin vs Russian Luke oil oligarchs

Remember kalenjins displaced 300k kikuyus..no community will do such a thing to vengeful gema and go free...you are in for some balls smashing season of political blood letting

Muthaura is in kra...that is one of the pillars uhuru will use this kill off ruto rebellion
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on June 21, 2018, 10:56:41 AM
Rv pundit,
Gema are not idiots they are containing your people slowly.uhuru is going to buikding several paramilitary instslliations in rv..if your yoiuth start a war they will suffer tremendously. Uhuru is not kibaki..you guys have never seen a maniac uhuru. You will see him. Let ruto take care. All I know is those central mps challenging uhuru are dead. They are dead literally..
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 21, 2018, 11:10:08 AM
The head of police last I checked was Boinett and I think you guys really under-estimate the hatred of kikuyus all over kenya. In 2007 - police men (non-gema) - were letting warriors have a go - and pretending to be stuck - because of road blocks & all that.You cannot contain warriors :). Ruto has been trying to contain pokot raiders but it just not happening :). Kalenjin invinted guerrilla war-fare that is why some 1K nandi warriors held the Brits for 10yrs in 1900. You're talking about warriors who will be attacking solely at mid-night and retreating day-time. You don't understand the kalenjin war-infrastructure.In 92 - Kalenjin were attacking all big tribes at once - save for maasai - until you start rigorously training your youths to be ready for war -- there is no way you can match Kalenjin standing army - ready for deployment at sound of war cry.

Ruto now enjoys all the backing of warrior tribes of kenya - from kamatusa to somalis - so you start war and you'll lose so badly. Just concentrate on planting warus. Uhuru mungiki did not last a day in Molo. They retreated to Nakuru and it became too hot - Kibaki had to call Kenya Army in Lanet. He knows the limit of Munguki.

You can play around with Raila & his bunch of cowards..but not RV. The day you'll hear one RV go to national radio or tv claiming his life is in danger :) that will be a new day. Kalenjin are brought to be stoic warriors.

Rv pundit,
Gema are not idiots they are containing your people slowly.uhuru is going to buikding several paramilitary instslliations in rv..if your yoiuth start a war they will suffer tremendously. Uhuru is not kibaki..you guys have never seen a maniac uhuru. You will see him. Let ruto take care. All I know is those central mps challenging uhuru are dead. They are dead literally..
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Kadudu on June 21, 2018, 12:35:57 PM
Pundit, you may threaten the Kikuyu but the rest of Kenya has no liability with Ruto. Only the Kikuyu are vulnerable. The rest do not care about RV wars. Do not count the Somali in your army. They have invested everywhere in the country and will not look for war with other kabilas. In 2007 the Kalejin could count on the support of most of the other Kenyan ethnic groups. Come 2022 might not be the same case. Kalejins are only present in RV. Any other part of Kenya their number is negligible.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: hk on June 21, 2018, 01:00:17 PM
GEMA need to look forward - not backward - otherwise right now there is youth bulge in RV & people haven't adjsusted to reduced land sizes that can longer support kind of "large" scale lazy farming they are accosted to..and would make 2007 pev look like walk in the park - if they saw an opportunity to loot.

The biggest revolt if there's one will come from GEMA against uhuru. We also need to appreciate that urbanization has to occur driven by increased farming productivity. Even young RVs would rather move to the city than engage in farming. There are some ambitious young politician from GEMA who are looking forward and can sense that they'd be influential in Ruto's government. This people are ready to defy uhuru. Also its clear alot of money in RV interior owned by GEMA was moved in Nakuru, one of the reason why Nakuru is most likely the 3rd largest city in Kenya. No one wants to fight the least of all kikuyus, GEMA biggest concern is the economy. This is where uhuru has performed dismally and now groping in the dark to come up with a semblance of a legacy with 4 agenda. Housing I am sure uhuru's companies CMAX,KOTO and clay works will make out like bandits. So basically uhuru is more vulnerable than Ruto in corruption.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Kichwa on June 21, 2018, 01:19:22 PM
The so called Ouruto “miracle” was all based on escaping justice from ICC, stealing elections from Raila and looting the country coffers. That’s all Ouruto did over the last six years. Now the whole house of cards is coming down unraveling. Either way you look at it, it’s coming down and both Ouru and Ruto will go down with it. Ouru will most likely finish his second term but Ruto is not succeeding him. Pundit seems to be suggesting that Kalenjins have the capacity to lead Kenya by force by conquering all the other tribes like Shaka of Zulu did. I think he is finally losing his mind with his Kalenjin/Ruto exceptionalism.

GEMA need to look forward - not backward - otherwise right now there is youth bulge in RV & people haven't adjsusted to reduced land sizes that can longer support kind of "large" scale lazy farming they are accosted to..and would make 2007 pev look like walk in the park - if they saw an opportunity to loot.

The biggest revolt if there's one will come from GEMA against uhuru. We also need to appreciate that urbanization has to occur driven by increased farming productivity. Even young RVs would rather move to the city than engage in farming. There are some ambitious young politician from GEMA who are looking forward and can sense that they'd be influential in Ruto's government. This people are ready to defy uhuru. Also its clear alot of money in RV interior owned by GEMA was moved in Nakuru, one of the reason why Nakuru is most likely the 3rd largest city in Kenya. No one wants to fight the least of all kikuyus, GEMA biggest concern is the economy. This is where uhuru has performed dismally and now groping in the dark to come up with a semblance of a legacy with 4 agenda. Housing I am sure uhuru's companies CMAX,KOTO and clay works will make out like bandits. So basically uhuru is more vulnerable than Ruto in corruption.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on June 21, 2018, 01:29:02 PM
Hk clay works was owned by njenga karume..uhuru and ruto must be judged as a couple..nothing more nothing less..ruto is suffering the curse of vicd presidents
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: hk on June 21, 2018, 01:44:00 PM
Hk clay works was owned by njenga karume..uhuru and ruto must be judged as a couple..nothing more nothing less..ruto is suffering the curse of vicd presidents
Clay works wasn't owned by Njenga but Gema group that's the one next on your left after Githurai heading to nairobi. Kenya clayworks products manson hart is owned by kenyattas. Its opposite brookside dairy and peponi schools.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 21, 2018, 01:50:58 PM
Let me break it down for you. After Uhuru vanguished Raila - he obviously think he deserve some recognition as the top dog who tamed/killed Raila - while Ruto similarly went for Raila support base & drove them home - and whatever is happening is just the re-balancing post Raila. The meet you see the hyena fighting over is actually Raila's goat. That is actually a kalenjin proverb. When your see the hyenas fighting, just know you goat has been eatenr
The so called Ouruto “miracle” was all based on escaping justice from ICC, stealing elections from Raila and looting the country coffers. That’s all Ouruto did over the last six years. Now the whole house of cards is coming down unraveling. Either way you look at it, it’s coming down and both Ouru and Ruto will go down with it. Ouru will most likely finish his second term but Ruto is not succeeding him. Pundit seems to be suggesting that Kalenjins have the capacity to lead Kenya by force by conquering all the other tribes like Shaka of Zulu did. I think he is finally losing his mind with his Kalenjin/Ruto exceptionalism.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on June 21, 2018, 01:56:34 PM
Karine was biggest shareholder of clayworks near Kenya tents ..it was looted by his sons before he died
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Kichwa on June 21, 2018, 02:18:55 PM
You profess to be a cold hard political realist but I have noticed that’s true when it favors Ruto, otherwise when the political winds are against Ruto you have a very difficult time dealing with political  reality.  Let me purée it for you and feed it to you with a spoon, Ouruto is no more. Jubilee will be disbanded or reduced to a shadow of URP. Ruto will not get Gema support let  alone inheriting Raila’s strongholds. It’s not neccessary to argue over this as time will prove me right.


Let me break it down for you. After Uhuru vanguished Raila - he obviously think he deserve some recognition as the top dog who tamed/killed Raila - while Ruto similarly went for Raila support base & drove them home - and whatever is happening is just the re-balancing post Raila. The meet you see the hyena fighting over is actually Raila's goat. That is actually a kalenjin proverb. When your see the hyenas fighting, just know you goat has been eatenr
The so called Ouruto “miracle” was all based on escaping justice from ICC, stealing elections from Raila and looting the country coffers. That’s all Ouruto did over the last six years. Now the whole house of cards is coming down unraveling. Either way you look at it, it’s coming down and both Ouru and Ruto will go down with it. Ouru will most likely finish his second term but Ruto is not succeeding him. Pundit seems to be suggesting that Kalenjins have the capacity to lead Kenya by force by conquering all the other tribes like Shaka of Zulu did. I think he is finally losing his mind with his Kalenjin/Ruto exceptionalism.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 21, 2018, 04:56:15 PM
The so called Ouruto “miracle” was all based on escaping justice from ICC, stealing elections from Raila and looting the country coffers. That’s all Ouruto did over the last six years. Now the whole house of cards is coming down unraveling. Either way you look at it, it’s coming down and both Ouru and Ruto will go down with it. Ouru will most likely finish his second term but Ruto is not succeeding him. Pundit seems to be suggesting that Kalenjins have the capacity to lead Kenya by force by conquering all the other tribes like Shaka of Zulu did. I think he is finally losing his mind with his Kalenjin/Ruto exceptionalism.

The politics he is falling back on is out of touch with handshake politics.  The antithesis actually. 

Handshake says unite and end electoral violence.  The hustler says we will go Shaka Zulu on Kikuyus(or everybody), if Ruto is outplayed(not even rigged out).

It’s basically an admission that the hustler has been used and is now being dumped.  That the rudisha mkono deal is off the table.  All that is left is putting a fork in it with a vote of no confidence in the DP.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Omollo on June 21, 2018, 08:44:35 PM
About URP and TNA: I watched in disbelief as GEMA cheated Ruto to dissolve URP. They convinced him that he (Ruto) was dissolving TNA. It was a trick directly pulled from The Devil's Book of Tricks (Author: Unknown, suspected to be Arap Moi)

Whichever way I look at it, I find the claim that GEMA is starting the process of getting rid of Ruto totally untrue. The process began several years ago and we are seeing the finale. It has gone through dozens of stages.

Another observation: Unless Uhuru is planning on stepping down and handing power over to Ruto, I find it hard to understand the strategy whereby the Deputy President starts to act as if the president is a departing lame duck. Drunk or stoned, there will arise a time when Uhuru will want to remind Ruto that he is still the boss. Should that happen towards the end of Uhuru's term, it would spell disaster for one of them.

You profess to be a cold hard political realist but I have noticed that’s true when it favors Ruto, otherwise when the political winds are against Ruto you have a very difficult time dealing with political  reality.  Let me purée it for you and feed it to you with a spoon, Ouruto is no more. Jubilee will be disbanded or reduced to a shadow of URP. Ruto will not get Gema support let  alone inheriting Raila’s strongholds. It’s not necessary to argue over this as time will prove me right.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Nefertiti on June 21, 2018, 09:53:38 PM
You have a blinker like Pundit who insists Uhurutopia is kosher.  Ruto is not guaranteed GEMA support. However the rout of ODM from the swing zones is ongoing as we speak, and has in fact picked steam with the Handshake. Recall that URP was hived off ODM; the Duales, MATUSA and Northerners were ODM in 2007. At the end of this "fight" there will be GEMA, Ruto and everyone else splintered ala 90s. GEMA cannot splinter easily with the persecution complex. But the Raila coalition is dead, he better be working on a big anti-Ruto coalition... we need it to hold Ruto accountable - if it can even hold!

Raila's in way worse trouble than Ruto, his career dream is done, that's your BIG BLINKER.

You profess to be a cold hard political realist but I have noticed that’s true when it favors Ruto, otherwise when the political winds are against Ruto you have a very difficult time dealing with political  reality.  Let me purée it for you and feed it to you with a spoon, Ouruto is no more. Jubilee will be disbanded or reduced to a shadow of URP. Ruto will not get Gema support let  alone inheriting Raila’s strongholds. It’s not neccessary to argue over this as time will prove me right.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 22, 2018, 09:54:12 AM
You can speculate on some cold war btw Ruto and Uhuru but stubborn fact is this. The confirmed  loser is Raila..who killed nasa and is desperately fighting to retain ODM..
Raila sold himself and his folks for exactly 4 prados $ a siren.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Nefertiti on June 22, 2018, 12:27:54 PM
Kichwa needs the Uhuru-Ruto war aspirin to distract from the pain of Raila's death. Huge log in his eye he thinks there's a sand in yours.

You can speculate on some cold war btw Ruto and Uhuru but stubborn fact is this. The confirmed  loser is Raila..who killed nasa and is desperately fighting to retain ODM..
Raila sold himself and his folks for exactly 4 prados $ a siren.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Kichwa on June 22, 2018, 12:45:21 PM
How is Raila dead when he is part of the handshake which exposed the UhuRuto war. Do you really think Ouru would have started this war with Ruto without Raila on his side. GEMA could not open a war on two fronts. Gema had no choice but to make peace with Raila first in order to start one with Ruto who was a bigger danger to them.  The country went back to governable immediately after the handshake. That in itself is evidence that Raila is still powerful.

Kichwa needs the Uhuru-Ruto war aspirin to distract from the pain of Raila's death. Huge log in his eye he thinks there's a sand in yours.

You can speculate on some cold war btw Ruto and Uhuru but stubborn fact is this. The confirmed  loser is Raila..who killed nasa and is desperately fighting to retain ODM..
Raila sold himself and his folks for exactly 4 prados $ a siren.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 22, 2018, 01:09:53 PM
All good - except what did Raila and his people get - for raising the white flag, Uhuru has continued to appoint Ruto folks including those in Luo Nyanza post-handshake and Ruto continues to ran gov - launching projects and use it to bury ODM in many places - and Raila's ODM is holding crisis after crisis meetings. Raila did not even get any role in gov!

Raila killed NASA & ODM exactly for 4 prados & a siren. Typical.Ruto (RV) have yet to lose anything in the war against graft or any "cold" war with Uhuru. At NCPB - Kalenjin replaced a Kalenjin - In NYS -a Kalenjin replaced a Meru.

I don't know what exactly Ruto has "lost" so far in the so called war. Uhuru has no stamina for cold war with Ruto. Ruto will ran so many circles around him. Unless he was to take Raila directly on board.


How is Raila dead when he is part of the handshake which exposed the UhuRuto war. Do you really think Ouru would have started this war with Ruto without Raila on his side. GEMA could not open a war on two fronts. Gema had no choice but to make peace with Raila first in order to start one with Ruto who was a bigger danger to them.  The country went back to governable immediately after the handshake. That in itself is evidence that Raila is still powerful.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Kichwa on June 22, 2018, 01:53:40 PM
If I were you I would not worry about Raila. He is sleeping like a baby. Political jobs are lagging political indicators anyway. The guy who is spending sleepless nights wondering how bad this train wreck is going to be is man WSR. Just the other day he was wondering how his cabinet will look like, now he is wondering whether to stay and fight to the bitter end or consider a political exit strategy deal like Njonjo or even exile. If he choses  to fight he has to kill the king. People noticed he did not show up to see Ouru off to Adis.

All good - except what did Raila and his people get - for raising the white flag, Uhuru has continued to appoint Ruto folks including those in Luo Nyanza post-handshake and Ruto continues to ran gov - launching projects and use it to bury ODM in many places - and Raila's ODM is holding crisis after crisis meetings. Raila did not even get any role in gov!

Raila killed NASA & ODM exactly for 4 prados & a siren. Typical.Ruto (RV) have yet to lose anything in the war against graft or any "cold" war with Uhuru. At NCPB - Kalenjin replaced a Kalenjin - In NYS -a Kalenjin replaced a Meru.

I don't know what exactly Ruto has "lost" so far in the so called war. Uhuru has no stamina for cold war with Ruto. Ruto will ran so many circles around him. Unless he was to take Raila directly on board.


How is Raila dead when he is part of the handshake which exposed the UhuRuto war. Do you really think Ouru would have started this war with Ruto without Raila on his side. GEMA could not open a war on two fronts. Gema had no choice but to make peace with Raila first in order to start one with Ruto who was a bigger danger to them.  The country went back to governable immediately after the handshake. That in itself is evidence that Raila is still powerful.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Nefertiti on June 22, 2018, 02:48:38 PM
Raila got GoK role as AU/IGAD amassador - he's fixing South Sudan. In the meantime the real war is between him and Ruto as ODM is routed everywhere outside Luo Nyanza. Kichwa says Raila is on the sidelines watching "war" ... in truth Raila is the first victim of the war.

All good - except what did Raila and his people get - for raising the white flag, Uhuru has continued to appoint Ruto folks including those in Luo Nyanza post-handshake and Ruto continues to ran gov - launching projects and use it to bury ODM in many places - and Raila's ODM is holding crisis after crisis meetings. Raila did not even get any role in gov!

Raila killed NASA & ODM exactly for 4 prados & a siren. Typical.Ruto (RV) have yet to lose anything in the war against graft or any "cold" war with Uhuru. At NCPB - Kalenjin replaced a Kalenjin - In NYS -a Kalenjin replaced a Meru.

I don't know what exactly Ruto has "lost" so far in the so called war. Uhuru has no stamina for cold war with Ruto. Ruto will ran so many circles around him. Unless he was to take Raila directly on board.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Kichwa on June 22, 2018, 04:36:46 PM
Robina, sometime I think you are just heckling without knowing what you are heckling about. Tell me just one place where ODM has been routed out and please do not tell me about coast province. The people who rushed to Ruto before the war with him and ouru boiled to the open are already doing a moon walk. As the war between Ruto and Ouru rages, you will not hear any talk of Ruto in the coast anywhere or central province. Just as you came to accept that there is a war between Ouru and Ruto, this too will come to pass. The days of following RV pundit blindly are over my friend.

Raila got GoK role as AU/IGAD amassador - he's fixing South Sudan. In the meantime the real war is between him and Ruto as ODM is routed everywhere outside Luo Nyanza. Kichwa says Raila is on the sidelines watching "war" ... in truth Raila is the first victim of the war.

All good - except what did Raila and his people get - for raising the white flag, Uhuru has continued to appoint Ruto folks including those in Luo Nyanza post-handshake and Ruto continues to ran gov - launching projects and use it to bury ODM in many places - and Raila's ODM is holding crisis after crisis meetings. Raila did not even get any role in gov!

Raila killed NASA & ODM exactly for 4 prados & a siren. Typical.Ruto (RV) have yet to lose anything in the war against graft or any "cold" war with Uhuru. At NCPB - Kalenjin replaced a Kalenjin - In NYS -a Kalenjin replaced a Meru.

I don't know what exactly Ruto has "lost" so far in the so called war. Uhuru has no stamina for cold war with Ruto. Ruto will ran so many circles around him. Unless he was to take Raila directly on board.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Nefertiti on June 22, 2018, 05:06:08 PM
Why are Jumwa and Dori being kicked out of parliamentary committees? They have rebelled against ODM to support Ruto. Nanok too. Kingi? These are big ODM fish. You're in denial about the precarious situation. Ruto may fight with Uhuru but we see many top GEMA still in his corner. Show me any elected Central leaders who have gone rogue on Ruto like ODM MPs are doing to Raila. Besides that the Wetas already left Raila's corner. I think Uhuru may end up with a rebellion... imagine he's PORK yet Ichung'wa, Waititu, et al - Kiambu backyard - support Ruto openly in public rallies.

Robina, sometime I think you are just heckling without knowing what you are heckling about. Tell me just one place where ODM has been routed out and please do not tell me about coast province. The people who rushed to Ruto before the war with him and ouru boiled to the open are already doing a moon walk. As the war between Ruto and Ouru rages, you will not hear any talk of Ruto in the coast anywhere or central province. Just as you came to accept that there is a war between Ouru and Ruto, this too will come to pass. The days of following RV pundit blindly are over my friend.

Raila got GoK role as AU/IGAD amassador - he's fixing South Sudan. In the meantime the real war is between him and Ruto as ODM is routed everywhere outside Luo Nyanza. Kichwa says Raila is on the sidelines watching "war" ... in truth Raila is the first victim of the war.

All good - except what did Raila and his people get - for raising the white flag, Uhuru has continued to appoint Ruto folks including those in Luo Nyanza post-handshake and Ruto continues to ran gov - launching projects and use it to bury ODM in many places - and Raila's ODM is holding crisis after crisis meetings. Raila did not even get any role in gov!

Raila killed NASA & ODM exactly for 4 prados & a siren. Typical.Ruto (RV) have yet to lose anything in the war against graft or any "cold" war with Uhuru. At NCPB - Kalenjin replaced a Kalenjin - In NYS -a Kalenjin replaced a Meru.

I don't know what exactly Ruto has "lost" so far in the so called war. Uhuru has no stamina for cold war with Ruto. Ruto will ran so many circles around him. Unless he was to take Raila directly on board.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Nefertiti on June 22, 2018, 05:15:46 PM
Kichwa,  Ruto has serious political mettle. Ati war with President Kenyatta while 80% of the Jubilee MPs and governers  are in his  corner. Including some CSs. Maajabu when CSs side with the DP and not the "boss". Yaani venye kina Saitoti walikunja mkia... this is new.

I wouldn't be surprised to find Tuju and most Jubilee secretariat stuffed with Ruto cronies... as the drunkard slept on the job. Uhuru needs Raila to assist him take on Ruto. Na bado haiwezi! :)
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Omollo on June 22, 2018, 07:49:01 PM
Which is why I worry for him.

GEMA has a very bad track history when it comes to individuals other than MKM President having MPs in his pocket.

Moi avoided having any MPs in his pocket or at least displaying them. He dished out some money to candidates around the country but did not parade them.

He learned from what happened to Tom Mboya who like Ruto went around the country displaying his influence. Like Ruto he cashed his inheritance quite early and started acting like he was already president.
Kichwa,  Ruto has serious political mettle. Ati war with President Kenyatta while 80% of the Jubilee MPs and governers  are in his  corner. Including some CSs. Maajabu when CSs side with the DP and not the "boss". Yaani venye kina Saitoti walikunja mkia... this is new.

I wouldn't be surprised to find Tuju and most Jubilee secretariat stuffed with Ruto cronies... as the drunkard slept on the job. Uhuru needs Raila to assist him take on Ruto. Na bado haiwezi! :)
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 22, 2018, 07:58:31 PM
Why are Jumwa and Dori being kicked out of parliamentary committees? They have rebelled against ODM to support Ruto. Nanok too. Kingi? These are big ODM fish. You're in denial about the precarious situation. Ruto may fight with Uhuru but we see many top GEMA still in his corner. Show me any elected Central leaders who have gone rogue on Ruto like ODM MPs are doing to Raila. Besides that the Wetas already left Raila's corner. I think Uhuru may end up with a rebellion... imagine he's PORK yet Ichung'wa, Waititu, et al - Kiambu backyard - support Ruto openly in public rallies.

Those folks have families to feed.  Debts to pay.  Raila, ODM or principle is not going to do that for them.  It's naive to imagine that their defection somehow translates to movement on the ground.  In any case it's not meaningful to try and predict where they will be a month from now, let alone 4 years down the line.  I vaguely remember Ngilu shifting alliances like twice in a span of a few months on an election year as she looked for a spot on one of the teams.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Nefertiti on June 22, 2018, 09:07:53 PM
I agree such strength can be weakness because the opponent schemes long and hard. I think even Uhuru's MP Moses Kuria supports Ruto :) The way Ruto has strategically placed allies - parliament, counties, cabinet, etc - indicates GEMA and Uhuru have been sleeping on the job and obsessing with Raila.

Which is why I worry for him.

GEMA has a very bad track history when it comes to individuals other than MKM President having MPs in his pocket.

Moi avoided having any MPs in his pocket or at least displaying them. He dished out some money to candidates around the country but did not parade them.

He learned from what happened to Tom Mboya who like Ruto went around the country displaying his influence. Like Ruto he cashed his inheritance quite early and started acting like he was already president.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Nefertiti on June 22, 2018, 09:29:12 PM
Why are Jumwa and Dori being kicked out of parliamentary committees? They have rebelled against ODM to support Ruto. Nanok too. Kingi? These are big ODM fish. You're in denial about the precarious situation. Ruto may fight with Uhuru but we see many top GEMA still in his corner. Show me any elected Central leaders who have gone rogue on Ruto like ODM MPs are doing to Raila. Besides that the Wetas already left Raila's corner. I think Uhuru may end up with a rebellion... imagine he's PORK yet Ichung'wa, Waititu, et al - Kiambu backyard - support Ruto openly in public rallies.

Those folks have families to feed.  Debts to pay.  Raila, ODM or principle is not going to do that for them.  It's naive to imagine that their defection somehow translates to movement on the ground.  In any case it's not meaningful to try and predict where they will be a month from now, let alone 4 years down the line.  I vaguely remember Ngilu shifting alliances like twice in a span of a few months on an election year as she looked for a spot on one of the teams.

Lest the main point is forgotten: the migration of the "swing regions" from Raila's to Ruto's column. A slow, sure and momentous snowball. Need I enumerate? Kalenjin, Somali & Northerners, MATUSA, Bukusu. Now the Mijikenda. Later the Gusii. All these regions had "tumbocrats" - defectors who while they did not swing entire counties, landed Jubilee a few MPs and grassroots presence hither and thither. Followership rarely flips overnight. The ODM avalanche is a rare occurrence like the solar eclipse that we are privileged to watch. It's why Kichwa's giddiness at the collapse of the Uhuruto house of cards is amusing; theirs was a coalition while ODM is a one-man guitar burning up as the oblivious guitarist plays on. :D

Alas! even some Kikuyus have defected from Uhuru to Ruto... na bado mnasema tumbocrat. :o  William Ruto has leadership. A rare political talent. Lean back and watch him unscramble this.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Omollo on June 22, 2018, 10:11:28 PM
Robina

Defections to Ruto are engineered by the NIS. This is being done at a time when NIS as currently constituted is an MKM edifice. I have already been insulted for suggesting that the huge budget increase when there is no election and Raila has a different target than the usual suspects. I will however not change my position and time will prove me right.

It is extremely difficult to convert certain parts of the country to vote for MKM or Ruto. Moi did a good job of creating and anti Kikuyu alliance. If Ruto wants to benefit from it, he must show his anti-Kikuyu credentials and they wiull be checked for fraud.

I speak about all those areas you have listed. Even the MATUSA will need more than assurances of blood to vote with him. MKM routinely steals votes in Samburu. Left on their own those have been Raila's people which he inherited from Moi.

Now should Raila disappear like Moi did (after betraying his own alliance to Uhuru) they will find someone else who will carry their spears. I say the same about my adopted people of Pwani as well as Kisiis.

Like I said here before, people are waiting to see where Raila is going with his handshake. If Uhuru makes the mistake of believing Raila is dead and his supporters too and puts on his scavenging uniform, he will get a rude awakening.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 23, 2018, 09:33:15 AM
First I see you're desperately asking GEMA to assassinate Ruto :) now. Things must be very rough for ODM.  This time round - Ruto is not asking for Non-GEMA to vote a gema candidate - this time round it's Ruto asking for his vote - so expect very little resistance in areas where GEMA are not popular like coast.  I see Ruto sweeping the entire RV including Kikuyus (even if Uhuru was to mess around), of course most of northern kenya, coast, part of western -  which roughly would make him hit 40% - before any GEMA vote is cast in Mt Kenya.

Robina

Defections to Ruto are engineered by the NIS. This is being done at a time when NIS as currently constituted is an MKM edifice. I have already been insulted for suggesting that the huge budget increase when there is no election and Raila has a different target than the usual suspects. I will however not change my position and time will prove me right.

It is extremely difficult to convert certain parts of the country to vote for MKM or Ruto. Moi did a good job of creating and anti Kikuyu alliance. If Ruto wants to benefit from it, he must show his anti-Kikuyu credentials and they wiull be checked for fraud.

I speak about all those areas you have listed. Even the MATUSA will need more than assurances of blood to vote with him. MKM routinely steals votes in Samburu. Left on their own those have been Raila's people which he inherited from Moi.

Now should Raila disappear like Moi did (after betraying his own alliance to Uhuru) they will find someone else who will carry their spears. I say the same about my adopted people of Pwani as well as Kisiis.

Like I said here before, people are waiting to see where Raila is going with his handshake. If Uhuru makes the mistake of believing Raila is dead and his supporters too and puts on his scavenging uniform, he will get a rude awakening.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Omollo on June 23, 2018, 09:46:14 AM
You have become the Kariuki Chotara of this board.

When a researcher describes a new virus, he is, in your twisted mind, urging people to infect others with it.

On the other hand I am flattered to learn that GEMA has hired me as their adviser and perhaps take orders from me.

I was there to advise them to take out Tom Mboya.

I ordered them to take out J. M. after he scared them by paying enough MPs to vote for electoral reform amendments that reversed the 1966 draconian laws used to rig out KPU. I told GEMA it is not the mild reversal that should worry them but J.M.s control of a majority of MPs and mentioned "Vote of confidence".

You are some piece of crap.

First I see you're desperately asking GEMA to assassinate Ruto :) now. Things must be very rough for ODM.  This time round - Ruto is not asking for Non-GEMA to vote a gema candidate - this time round it's Ruto asking for his vote - so expect very little resistance in areas where GEMA are not popular like coast.  I see Ruto sweeping the entire RV including Kikuyus (even if Uhuru was to mess around), of course most of northern kenya, coast, part of western -  which roughly would make him hit 40% - before any GEMA vote is cast in Mt Kenya.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Omollo on June 23, 2018, 11:26:50 AM
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Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 23, 2018, 11:42:40 AM
You're all over with "assassinate " Ruto.
In other words - and I am not advocating for it - such a person can only be assassinated. Like a socialist or communist in Africa, there is no way you can remove him from power short of an internal revolt within his own organization. Ruto has a network of cells  that would make a communist envious.

My view is that if Uhuru fails to get rid of him within the next 3 months, Ruto will get rid of Uhuru faster than he can wipe his asshole.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 23, 2018, 11:48:09 AM
Not dated - look like campaign video of last year.
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Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Omollo on June 23, 2018, 12:01:56 PM
I have no idea if Ruto pays you by the decibel of noise you make. You are maximizing your wages. If you want more money ask him to pay you by the number of lies and fabrications. You are clearly better on that front.

You're all over with "assassinate " Ruto.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Omollo on June 23, 2018, 12:21:06 PM
Let me educate you about Kilifi. Before I do let me share some simple statistics that may help you understand:

1. Kilifi has a total of 0 (ZERO) Jubilee MPs
2. Kilifi has a total of 0 (NADA) Jubilee MCAs

Having done that let me add the following:

3. ALL politicians who associated with Jubilee lost and lost badly
4. ALL MPs who went to bed with Jubilee were banished
5. Politicians associated with Jubilee can only hold political rallies with heavy police and para military presence.

Jubilee is aware of this and fears using high handed tactics in Kilifi for fear of extending the Lamu problem to Kilifi. The locals know that too and Aisha Jumwa can continue opening her legs for Ruto but she can kiss goodbye to a political seat in Kilifi. She may well not complete her term. That is Kilifi not Machakos.

Please date the video as you wish. One thing is clear: You got the message.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 23, 2018, 01:44:40 PM
Their mps do sure come cheap.Amason kingi is thinking of her own giriama party.Ruto has bought their leaders for cheap...from lunga lunga to vanga
Let me educate you about Kilifi. Before I do let me share some simple statistics that may help you understand:

1. Kilifi has a total of 0 (ZERO) Jubilee MPs
2. Kilifi has a total of 0 (NADA) Jubilee MCAs

Having done that let me add the following:

3. ALL politicians who associated with Jubilee lost and lost badly
4. ALL MPs who went to bed with Jubilee were banished
5. Politicians associated with Jubilee can only hold political rallies with heavy police and para military presence.

Jubilee is aware of this and fears using high handed tactics in Kilifi for fear of extending the Lamu problem to Kilifi. The locals know that too and Aisha Jumwa can continue opening her legs for Ruto but she can kiss goodbye to a political seat in Kilifi. She may well not complete her term. That is Kilifi not Machakos.

Please date the video as you wish. One thing is clear: You got the message.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: vooke on June 23, 2018, 07:58:35 PM
Babu is toying with the idea of picking Giddy as his running mate
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Nefertiti on June 23, 2018, 09:07:50 PM
Silly. Ruto cannot be challenged in Kalenjin, we know this empirically from 2013 & 17 when he was a mere DP. Raila must play kingmaker to a GEMA-Luhya ticket to stand a chance. I doubt his gigantic bruised ego can allow it. 

Babu is toying with the idea of picking Giddy as his running mate
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Nefertiti on June 23, 2018, 09:12:08 PM
Would like to see the logic for this : the MKM/NIS engineering defections from Raila and Uhuru to Ruto.

Robina

Defections to Ruto are engineered by the NIS. This is being done at a time when NIS as currently constituted is an MKM edifice. I have already been insulted for suggesting that the huge budget increase when there is no election and Raila has a different target than the usual suspects. I will however not change my position and time will prove me right.

It is extremely difficult to convert certain parts of the country to vote for MKM or Ruto. Moi did a good job of creating and anti Kikuyu alliance. If Ruto wants to benefit from it, he must show his anti-Kikuyu credentials and they wiull be checked for fraud.

I speak about all those areas you have listed. Even the MATUSA will need more than assurances of blood to vote with him. MKM routinely steals votes in Samburu. Left on their own those have been Raila's people which he inherited from Moi.

Now should Raila disappear like Moi did (after betraying his own alliance to Uhuru) they will find someone else who will carry their spears. I say the same about my adopted people of Pwani as well as Kisiis.

Like I said here before, people are waiting to see where Raila is going with his handshake. If Uhuru makes the mistake of believing Raila is dead and his supporters too and puts on his scavenging uniform, he will get a rude awakening.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: GeeMail on June 23, 2018, 09:40:56 PM
Not dated - look like campaign video of last year.
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Pundit why would such a charged crowd be asking her to GO last year?
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 24, 2018, 10:41:01 AM
From the t-shirts - they look like Mtengo supporters - Aisha was battling him for Malindi MP with Mtengo - after leaving the Kilifi women rep seat. I'd date this to last year
Pundit why would such a charged crowd be asking her to GO last year?
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 24, 2018, 10:43:10 AM
That is Omollo. Nothing get btw him and a short term "point" - so he'll invent & create stories - that of course lack logical coherence & consistent - and hence all those contradictions.
Would like to see the logic for this : the MKM/NIS engineering defections from Raila and Uhuru to Ruto.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Omollo on June 24, 2018, 02:04:53 PM
Aisha Jumwa has a very tough time ahead of her.

She is seeking to replace Gideon Mung'aro as the fixer in Kilifi. Mung'aro lost when he told one too many lies to Uhuru. Jumwa is investing in Ruto.

Unfortunately for her, she is dealing with a very informed constituency. This was the only other stronghold of the Mazrui who made sure Mombasa was never ruled by any outsiders. It is a historical thing which few understand.

On the video: Pundit is a joke. He is shocked that their pointman lacks support. This is not the only vide taken of her being heckled. It is interesting that multiple people would take such videos and then hold on to them until now.

It is possible to determine the date of a video through meta data. But then is it that matter of life to convince Pundit?
Would like to see the logic for this : the MKM/NIS engineering defections from Raila and Uhuru to Ruto.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: audacityofhope on June 24, 2018, 02:16:08 PM
Sometimes you have no equal in your capacity at clutching at straws. Here is the video from Standardmedia digital library posted on June 23, 2018 soon after it was shot.
Not dated - look like campaign video of last year.
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Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 24, 2018, 02:18:54 PM
Same video with jumwa dressed in orange n lots of mtenge then mp of malindi.Standard shared the same old video
Sometimes you have no equal in your capacity at clutching at straws. Here is the video from Standardmedia digital library posted on June 23, 2018 soon after it was shot.
Not dated - look like campaign video of last year.
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Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 24, 2018, 02:19:41 PM
Gideon Mungaro doing well as cs..former councillor..if he had stuck with odm his best bet would be to retain his seat coz kingi n joho had bought raila long time.Smart move.The same move dori n aisha are pulling..money back guranteed move..you lose..ruto gov fixes you somewhere.Kingi has hit culdesac and his best move is to form giriama party
Aisha Jumwa has a very tough time ahead of her.

She is seeking to replace Gideon Mung'aro as the fixer in Kilifi. Mung'aro lost when he told one too many lies to Uhuru. Jumwa is investing in Ruto.

Unfortunately for her, she is dealing with a very informed constituency. This was the only other stronghold of the Mazrui who made sure Mombasa was never ruled by any outsiders. It is a historical thing which few understand.

On the video: Pundit is a joke. He is shocked that their pointman lacks support. This is not the only vide taken of her being heckled. It is interesting that multiple people would take such videos and then hold on to them until now.

It is possible to determine the date of a video through meta data. But then is it that matter of life to convince Pundit?
Would like to see the logic for this : the MKM/NIS engineering defections from Raila and Uhuru to Ruto.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Omollo on June 24, 2018, 02:27:02 PM
First of all Gideon Mung'aro is NOT in the cabinet. If you want me to define for you what a cabinet is please feel free to ask instead of shaming yourself. Uhuru Kenyatta does not decide by his whims what is cabinet and what is not. However like the Kings Birthday suit, sycophants are free to admire the Kings suit.

On a personal note, you really are an irritating personality. I have watched your values (if ever you had any) fall below the ground. You started from glorifying thieves and now you worship them. You have a value system that clearly shows Kenya would be killed dead should you and the likes of Ruto seize power. I think every effort should be made to prevent that from happening. You are worse than any GEMA thief because at least they feed the cow so they can milk it in the morning. You would milk the cow nonstop until death saves it.

BTW Mung'aro is gay so he would be very welcoming to your praises.

Mshenzi.
Gideon Mungaro doing well as cabinet
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Omollo on June 24, 2018, 02:34:13 PM
For you it is all about money. I would not argue with that.

My focus was on his political career especially popular support. We have many despots who seize power and impose themselves on people. Human beings have been fighting them throughout history and from looking at you, will continue to do. Sometimes humans get lucky to catch some of them and hang or lynch them. By God I am sure one day Kenyans will hang some.

Gideon Mungaro doing well as cs..former councillor..if he had stuck with odm his best bet would be to retain his seat coz kingi n joho had bought raila long time.Smart move.The same move dori n aisha are pulling..money back guranteed move..you lose..ruto gov fixes you somewhere.Kingi has hit culdesac and his best move is to form giriama party
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 24, 2018, 03:22:08 PM
Politics is about money n power.That is what motivate kenya politician 99%of the time
For you it is all about money. I would not argue with that.

My focus was on his political career especially popular support. We have many despots who seize power and impose themselves on people. Human beings have been fighting them throughout history and from looking at you, will continue to do. Sometimes humans get lucky to catch some of them and hang or lynch them. By God I am sure one day Kenyans will hang some.

Gideon Mungaro doing well as cs..former councillor..if he had stuck with odm his best bet would be to retain his seat coz kingi n joho had bought raila long time.Smart move.The same move dori n aisha are pulling..money back guranteed move..you lose..ruto gov fixes you somewhere.Kingi has hit culdesac and his best move is to form giriama party
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Omollo on June 24, 2018, 03:31:41 PM
What political office does Gideon Mung'aro occupy with the money he got? Which do you think Mwakwere now occupies after choosing money? Had there been free and fair elections in Kwale, what position would Mvurya have won?

Internationally Hillary had almost twice as much money as Trump? May had more money going in to the last UK elections, how come broke Corbyn beat her?

Politics is about PEOPLE. Repeat that 1000 times.
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The singular politic first attested in English 1430 and comes from Middle French politique, in turn from Latin politicus, which is the Latinization of the Greek ????????? (politikos), meaning amongst others "of, for, or relating to citizens", "civil", "civic", "belonging to the state", in turn from ??????? (polites), "citizen" and that from ????? (polis), "city".
Politics is about money n power.That is what motivate kenya politician 99%of the time
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 24, 2018, 04:33:30 PM
Cabinet Sec in National Gok with budget large than kilifi county and more power under him is good deal.Kingi would be happy for such deal.Politics is a gamble..the reward power n money
What political office does Gideon Mung'aro occupy with the money he got? Which do you think Mwakwere now occupies after choosing money? Had there been free and fair elections in Kwale, what position would Mvurya have won?

Internationally Hillary had almost twice as much money as Trump? May had more money going in to the last UK elections, how come broke Corbyn beat her?

Politics is about PEOPLE. Repeat that 1000 times.
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The singular politic first attested in English 1430 and comes from Middle French politique, in turn from Latin politicus, which is the Latinization of the Greek ????????? (politikos), meaning amongst others "of, for, or relating to citizens", "civil", "civic", "belonging to the state", in turn from ??????? (polites), "citizen" and that from ????? (polis), "city".
Politics is about money n power.That is what motivate kenya politician 99%of the time

Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Omollo on June 24, 2018, 06:14:04 PM
https://twitter.com/hon_mungaro?lang=en
Gideon M. Mung'aro
@Hon_Mungaro
Chief Administrative Secretary - Ministry of Lands and Physical Planning.

Ardhi House, Nairobi, Kenya.

When was he elected to that position? Which BTW is neither a cabinet post nor political.
Cabinet Sec in National Gok with budget large than kilifi county and more power under him is good deal.Kingi would be happy for such deal.Politics is a gamble..the reward power n money
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 24, 2018, 06:33:19 PM
https://twitter.com/hon_mungaro?lang=en
Gideon M. Mung'aro
@Hon_Mungaro
Chief Administrative Secretary - Ministry of Lands and Physical Planning.

Ardhi House, Nairobi, Kenya.

When was he elected to that position? Which BTW is neither a cabinet post nor political.
Cabinet Sec in National Gok with budget large than kilifi county and more power under him is good deal.Kingi would be happy for such deal.Politics is a gamble..the reward power n money
Great deal for former kanjora
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 24, 2018, 10:28:18 PM
Aisha Juma has clarified that video clip was long time - ODM nomination battle with Mtengo - don't buy Omollo & his ODM groupies videos on face value.
https://web.facebook.com/james.mlei/videos/1017065751777867/
Sometimes you have no equal in your capacity at clutching at straws. Here is the video from Standardmedia digital library posted on June 23, 2018 soon after it was shot.
Not dated - look like campaign video of last year.
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Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on June 25, 2018, 03:21:59 AM
Three months ago.  Yes 3.  If someone told me a Jubilant faction would be cheering Aisha Jumwa(Yes, Aisha) support for the hustler while dismissing kamwana's as irrelevant I would have demanded a cranial examination.  Reality is crazier than fiction.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Nefertiti on June 25, 2018, 07:51:59 AM
bitmask, here's why : Kamwana's the classic hapless king... at the mercy of the queen  :)


End of bromance as Uhuru, Ruto clash becomes public
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/End-of-bromance-as-Uhuru--Ruto-clash-becomes-public/3126390-4627960-nykbq6z/index.html (https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/End-of-bromance-as-Uhuru--Ruto-clash-becomes-public/3126390-4627960-nykbq6z/index.html)

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Few now doubt that a handsome majority of central Kenya MPs solidly back Mr Ruto, and in the event of a showdown between the President and Deputy they would go with the latter.

This includes initiatives in Parliament on anti-corruption effort, or any legal and constitutional amendments that might be proposed from the Building Bridges initiative, which most of them dismiss as a restricted Uhuru-Raila deal of no importance to Jubilee’s post-Kenyatta agenda.

It would provide for a bizarre situation if President Kenyatta was abandoned by his central Kenya troops, leaving him to depend on the support of Mr Odinga’s opposition forces.

Rather than Mr Kenyatta’s State House, Mr Ruto’s Harambee House Annexe office and Karen official residence and office have become the magnets for central Kenya leaders soliciting support for development projects or fund raising efforts.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Omollo on June 25, 2018, 10:08:47 AM
Aisha Jumwa has hell in Kilifi and in Coast generally. So as time goes by let's see how strong your straws are against the waves of the Indian Ocean.

The rules are: Since the media publishing these state it is as recent as three days ago, you present data which would refute that. A Face Book post by Aisha Jumwa (which appears to buy your early defense) is simply not adequate.

While at it explain why the tape escaped the Jubilee Party machinery if indeed it was the Mtengo - Jumwa primaries.

I see Jumwa in a hotel (where I understand she spent several days with Ruto) denying the tape and using Pundit's words. What a shame.
Aisha Juma has clarified that video clip was long time - ODM nomination battle with Mtengo - don't buy Omollo & his ODM groupies videos on face value.
https://web.facebook.com/james.mlei/videos/1017065751777867/
on June 23, 2018 soon after it was shot.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 25, 2018, 11:22:23 AM
He is playing politics with civil servants instead of politicians. Guaranteed to fail.
bitmask, here's why : Kamwana's the classic hapless king... at the mercy of the queen  :)


End of bromance as Uhuru, Ruto clash becomes public
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/End-of-bromance-as-Uhuru--Ruto-clash-becomes-public/3126390-4627960-nykbq6z/index.html (https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/End-of-bromance-as-Uhuru--Ruto-clash-becomes-public/3126390-4627960-nykbq6z/index.html)
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Omollo on June 25, 2018, 11:29:29 AM
Yesterday you listed a non political position as political. Today you seem to have a different view.

Were Iringo, Nancy Gitau and Kimemia politicians or civil servants?

Political wars in Kenya may be fought by dogs - i.e. Duale may be sent to insult someone or Kuria and Aladwa sent to irritate Luos and Kikuyus respectively.

But Pundit note one thing: The Dog Owner controlling the State always wins. That is because in the end it is the coercive instruments that take over and win the war. Moi's arsenal included Parliament and judiciary. Those two have limited participation and reduced impact today.

He is playing politics with civil servants instead of politicians. Guaranteed to fail.
bitmask, here's why : Kamwana's the classic hapless king... at the mercy of the queen  :)


End of bromance as Uhuru, Ruto clash becomes public
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/End-of-bromance-as-Uhuru--Ruto-clash-becomes-public/3126390-4627960-nykbq6z/index.html (https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/End-of-bromance-as-Uhuru--Ruto-clash-becomes-public/3126390-4627960-nykbq6z/index.html)
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 25, 2018, 12:14:33 PM
That is kibaki folly and you saw how it ended. Politician fight politic war because they are free to go partisan -  to go rallies and make partisan positions. The Murather-Kibicho guys can only fight proxy wars - because they cannot by law be partisan - or they would be kicked out by parliament. Ruto has his people in gov - all arms - just like Uhuru - but he knows what each person best job is.

You saw the same civil servant try fight Sonko - and Sonko gave them Miguna Miguna - now its them bending over to Sonko.

Ruto just gave them a peter keneth move - murathe spend the week desperately calling & threatening MPS :) :) not to attend the rally- Ruto is basically fighting their proxy war right in GEMA - the civil servant are confused because politicians will never answer to them  - politician have huge egos - Uhuru has to call Moses Kuria himself and tell him to start war - but Uhuru doesn't want to do that - he wants somebody else to do it for him - so this end before it starts.


Yesterday you listed a non political position as political. Today you seem to have a different view.

Were Iringo, Nancy Gitau and Kimemia politicians or civil servants?

Political wars in Kenya may be fought by dogs - i.e. Duale may be sent to insult someone or Kuria and Aladwa sent to irritate Luos and Kikuyus respectively.

But Pundit note one thing: The Dog Owner controlling the State always wins. That is because in the end it is the coercive instruments that take over and win the war. Moi's arsenal included Parliament and judiciary. Those two have limited participation and reduced impact today.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Omollo on June 25, 2018, 12:55:08 PM
What you describe there is the cosmetic part of the war.

Rallies where people dance and raise fingers (hopefully not the middle one) are just michezo ya kuigiza ( public drama, if you will). Those are usually the smokescreens to hide the real fight.

What should worry you is why those loyalist GEMA Mps are "supporting" Ruto.

That is kibaki folly and you saw how it ended. Politician fight politic war because they are free to go partisan -  to go rallies and make partisan positions. The Murather-Kibicho guys can only fight proxy wars - because they cannot by law be partisan - or they would be kicked out by parliament. Ruto has his people in gov - all arms - just like Uhuru - but he knows what each person best job is.

You saw the same civil servant try fight Sonko - and Sonko gave them Miguna Miguna - now its them bending over to Sonko.

Ruto just gave them a peter keneth move - murathe spend the week desperately calling & threatening MPS :) :) not to attend the rally- Ruto is basically fighting their proxy war right in GEMA - the civil servant are confused because politicians will never answer to them  - politician have huge egos - Uhuru has to call Moses Kuria himself and tell him to start war - but Uhuru doesn't want to do that - he wants somebody else to do it for him - so this end before it starts.


Yesterday you listed a non political position as political. Today you seem to have a different view.

Were Iringo, Nancy Gitau and Kimemia politicians or civil servants?

Political wars in Kenya may be fought by dogs - i.e. Duale may be sent to insult someone or Kuria and Aladwa sent to irritate Luos and Kikuyus respectively.

But Pundit note one thing: The Dog Owner controlling the State always wins. That is because in the end it is the coercive instruments that take over and win the war. Moi's arsenal included Parliament and judiciary. Those two have limited participation and reduced impact today.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 25, 2018, 01:15:22 PM
There are because they are gaining now and in the future. Uhuru cannot follow through things - he'll get tired soon enough if not high - so these mps know in Ruto - btw now & 2022 - they have a reliable accessible partner - who can unlock many doors in gov & make things happen.

The future is interesting - here is Uhuru who is going lameduck and his orphans are trying "impossible" move to extend his term somehow - and here is Ruto the heir apparent - who "must" choose a GEMA DPORK.Most ambitious politicians will want to be part of the future (if not design that future). And that future right now is Ruto. Uhuru has to figure out how to extend his term or make it clear he will chose the DPORK for Ruto.

Uhuru has to crystallize his plan for the future. And do it fast because power hates vacuum. The likes of PK will fill the void and by the time Uhuru wants to appoint his wife as DPORK - Ruto would already have picked his DPORK.

What you describe there is the cosmetic part of the war.

Rallies where people dance and raise fingers (hopefully not the middle one) are just michezo ya kuigiza ( public drama, if you will). Those are usually the smokescreens to hide the real fight.

What should worry you is why those loyalist GEMA Mps are "supporting" Ruto.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: Kichwa on June 25, 2018, 02:28:24 PM
Making a VP choice that will unite Gema is easier said than done. In fact most choices will divide them rather than unite them. In 2002 Moi thought that by picking a Kikuyu presidential candidate he was home free then came Kibaki tosha. Ruto can pick Peter Kenneth if he wants but other presidential candidates including Gidi can also pick a Gema. There may also be a Gema presidential candidate. Ruto has no monopoly over Gema vote.


There are because they are gaining now and in the future. Uhuru cannot follow through things - he'll get tired soon enough if not high - so these mps know in Ruto - btw now & 2022 - they have a reliable accessible partner - who can unlock many doors in gov & make things happen.

The future is interesting - here is Uhuru who is going lameduck and his orphans are trying "impossible" move to extend his term somehow - and here is Ruto the heir apparent - who "must" choose a GEMA DPORK.Most ambitious politicians will want to be part of the future (if not design that future). And that future right now is Ruto. Uhuru has to figure out how to extend his term or make it clear he will chose the DPORK for Ruto.

Uhuru has to crystallize his plan for the future. And do it fast because power hates vacuum. The likes of PK will fill the void and by the time Uhuru wants to appoint his wife as DPORK - Ruto would already have picked his DPORK.

What you describe there is the cosmetic part of the war.

Rallies where people dance and raise fingers (hopefully not the middle one) are just michezo ya kuigiza ( public drama, if you will). Those are usually the smokescreens to hide the real fight.

What should worry you is why those loyalist GEMA Mps are "supporting" Ruto.
Title: Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on June 25, 2018, 04:12:51 PM
It actually easy - the battle is really btw Muranga & Mt Kenya east. Nyeri & Kiambu have had their fair share. I see Uhuru leaning more towards Muranga - and there the competition is btw current governor Wa Iria & now PK - and in Mt Kenya East - Kithure Kindiki. Kindiki seem like a spare time. Kiunjuri has gone silent...but I consider him also one of possible DPORK candidates. Uhuru obviously rans GEMA and he'll have final word...so Ruto has to think about PLAN B incase Uhuru has other ideas...and that would be Luhya.
Making a VP choice that will unite Gema is easier said than done. In fact most choices will divide them rather than unite them. In 2002 Moi thought that by picking a Kikuyu presidential candidate he was home free then came Kibaki tosha. Ruto can pick Peter Kenneth if he wants but other presidential candidates including Gidi can also pick a Gema. There may also be a Gema presidential candidate. Ruto has no monopoly over Gema vote.