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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #60 on: June 24, 2018, 02:04:53 PM »
Aisha Jumwa has a very tough time ahead of her.

She is seeking to replace Gideon Mung'aro as the fixer in Kilifi. Mung'aro lost when he told one too many lies to Uhuru. Jumwa is investing in Ruto.

Unfortunately for her, she is dealing with a very informed constituency. This was the only other stronghold of the Mazrui who made sure Mombasa was never ruled by any outsiders. It is a historical thing which few understand.

On the video: Pundit is a joke. He is shocked that their pointman lacks support. This is not the only vide taken of her being heckled. It is interesting that multiple people would take such videos and then hold on to them until now.

It is possible to determine the date of a video through meta data. But then is it that matter of life to convince Pundit?
Would like to see the logic for this : the MKM/NIS engineering defections from Raila and Uhuru to Ruto.
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #61 on: June 24, 2018, 02:16:08 PM »
Sometimes you have no equal in your capacity at clutching at straws. Here is the video from Standardmedia digital library posted on June 23, 2018 soon after it was shot.
Not dated - look like campaign video of last year.
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #62 on: June 24, 2018, 02:18:54 PM »
Same video with jumwa dressed in orange n lots of mtenge then mp of malindi.Standard shared the same old video
Sometimes you have no equal in your capacity at clutching at straws. Here is the video from Standardmedia digital library posted on June 23, 2018 soon after it was shot.
Not dated - look like campaign video of last year.
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #63 on: June 24, 2018, 02:19:41 PM »
Gideon Mungaro doing well as cs..former councillor..if he had stuck with odm his best bet would be to retain his seat coz kingi n joho had bought raila long time.Smart move.The same move dori n aisha are pulling..money back guranteed move..you lose..ruto gov fixes you somewhere.Kingi has hit culdesac and his best move is to form giriama party
Aisha Jumwa has a very tough time ahead of her.

She is seeking to replace Gideon Mung'aro as the fixer in Kilifi. Mung'aro lost when he told one too many lies to Uhuru. Jumwa is investing in Ruto.

Unfortunately for her, she is dealing with a very informed constituency. This was the only other stronghold of the Mazrui who made sure Mombasa was never ruled by any outsiders. It is a historical thing which few understand.

On the video: Pundit is a joke. He is shocked that their pointman lacks support. This is not the only vide taken of her being heckled. It is interesting that multiple people would take such videos and then hold on to them until now.

It is possible to determine the date of a video through meta data. But then is it that matter of life to convince Pundit?
Would like to see the logic for this : the MKM/NIS engineering defections from Raila and Uhuru to Ruto.

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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #64 on: June 24, 2018, 02:27:02 PM »
First of all Gideon Mung'aro is NOT in the cabinet. If you want me to define for you what a cabinet is please feel free to ask instead of shaming yourself. Uhuru Kenyatta does not decide by his whims what is cabinet and what is not. However like the Kings Birthday suit, sycophants are free to admire the Kings suit.

On a personal note, you really are an irritating personality. I have watched your values (if ever you had any) fall below the ground. You started from glorifying thieves and now you worship them. You have a value system that clearly shows Kenya would be killed dead should you and the likes of Ruto seize power. I think every effort should be made to prevent that from happening. You are worse than any GEMA thief because at least they feed the cow so they can milk it in the morning. You would milk the cow nonstop until death saves it.

BTW Mung'aro is gay so he would be very welcoming to your praises.

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Gideon Mungaro doing well as cabinet
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #65 on: June 24, 2018, 02:34:13 PM »
For you it is all about money. I would not argue with that.

My focus was on his political career especially popular support. We have many despots who seize power and impose themselves on people. Human beings have been fighting them throughout history and from looking at you, will continue to do. Sometimes humans get lucky to catch some of them and hang or lynch them. By God I am sure one day Kenyans will hang some.

Gideon Mungaro doing well as cs..former councillor..if he had stuck with odm his best bet would be to retain his seat coz kingi n joho had bought raila long time.Smart move.The same move dori n aisha are pulling..money back guranteed move..you lose..ruto gov fixes you somewhere.Kingi has hit culdesac and his best move is to form giriama party
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #66 on: June 24, 2018, 03:22:08 PM »
Politics is about money n power.That is what motivate kenya politician 99%of the time
For you it is all about money. I would not argue with that.

My focus was on his political career especially popular support. We have many despots who seize power and impose themselves on people. Human beings have been fighting them throughout history and from looking at you, will continue to do. Sometimes humans get lucky to catch some of them and hang or lynch them. By God I am sure one day Kenyans will hang some.

Gideon Mungaro doing well as cs..former councillor..if he had stuck with odm his best bet would be to retain his seat coz kingi n joho had bought raila long time.Smart move.The same move dori n aisha are pulling..money back guranteed move..you lose..ruto gov fixes you somewhere.Kingi has hit culdesac and his best move is to form giriama party

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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #67 on: June 24, 2018, 03:31:41 PM »
What political office does Gideon Mung'aro occupy with the money he got? Which do you think Mwakwere now occupies after choosing money? Had there been free and fair elections in Kwale, what position would Mvurya have won?

Internationally Hillary had almost twice as much money as Trump? May had more money going in to the last UK elections, how come broke Corbyn beat her?

Politics is about PEOPLE. Repeat that 1000 times.
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Politics is about money n power.That is what motivate kenya politician 99%of the time
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #68 on: June 24, 2018, 04:33:30 PM »
Cabinet Sec in National Gok with budget large than kilifi county and more power under him is good deal.Kingi would be happy for such deal.Politics is a gamble..the reward power n money
What political office does Gideon Mung'aro occupy with the money he got? Which do you think Mwakwere now occupies after choosing money? Had there been free and fair elections in Kwale, what position would Mvurya have won?

Internationally Hillary had almost twice as much money as Trump? May had more money going in to the last UK elections, how come broke Corbyn beat her?

Politics is about PEOPLE. Repeat that 1000 times.
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The singular politic first attested in English 1430 and comes from Middle French politique, in turn from Latin politicus, which is the Latinization of the Greek ????????? (politikos), meaning amongst others "of, for, or relating to citizens", "civil", "civic", "belonging to the state", in turn from ??????? (polites), "citizen" and that from ????? (polis), "city".
Politics is about money n power.That is what motivate kenya politician 99%of the time


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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #69 on: June 24, 2018, 06:14:04 PM »
https://twitter.com/hon_mungaro?lang=en
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When was he elected to that position? Which BTW is neither a cabinet post nor political.
Cabinet Sec in National Gok with budget large than kilifi county and more power under him is good deal.Kingi would be happy for such deal.Politics is a gamble..the reward power n money
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #70 on: June 24, 2018, 06:33:19 PM »
https://twitter.com/hon_mungaro?lang=en
Gideon M. Mung'aro
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Chief Administrative Secretary - Ministry of Lands and Physical Planning.

Ardhi House, Nairobi, Kenya.

When was he elected to that position? Which BTW is neither a cabinet post nor political.
Cabinet Sec in National Gok with budget large than kilifi county and more power under him is good deal.Kingi would be happy for such deal.Politics is a gamble..the reward power n money
Great deal for former kanjora

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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #71 on: June 24, 2018, 10:28:18 PM »
Aisha Juma has clarified that video clip was long time - ODM nomination battle with Mtengo - don't buy Omollo & his ODM groupies videos on face value.
https://web.facebook.com/james.mlei/videos/1017065751777867/
Sometimes you have no equal in your capacity at clutching at straws. Here is the video from Standardmedia digital library posted on June 23, 2018 soon after it was shot.
Not dated - look like campaign video of last year.
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #72 on: June 25, 2018, 03:21:59 AM »
Three months ago.  Yes 3.  If someone told me a Jubilant faction would be cheering Aisha Jumwa(Yes, Aisha) support for the hustler while dismissing kamwana's as irrelevant I would have demanded a cranial examination.  Reality is crazier than fiction.
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #73 on: June 25, 2018, 07:51:59 AM »
bitmask, here's why : Kamwana's the classic hapless king... at the mercy of the queen  :)


End of bromance as Uhuru, Ruto clash becomes public
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/End-of-bromance-as-Uhuru--Ruto-clash-becomes-public/3126390-4627960-nykbq6z/index.html

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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #74 on: June 25, 2018, 10:08:47 AM »
Aisha Jumwa has hell in Kilifi and in Coast generally. So as time goes by let's see how strong your straws are against the waves of the Indian Ocean.

The rules are: Since the media publishing these state it is as recent as three days ago, you present data which would refute that. A Face Book post by Aisha Jumwa (which appears to buy your early defense) is simply not adequate.

While at it explain why the tape escaped the Jubilee Party machinery if indeed it was the Mtengo - Jumwa primaries.

I see Jumwa in a hotel (where I understand she spent several days with Ruto) denying the tape and using Pundit's words. What a shame.
Aisha Juma has clarified that video clip was long time - ODM nomination battle with Mtengo - don't buy Omollo & his ODM groupies videos on face value.
https://web.facebook.com/james.mlei/videos/1017065751777867/
on June 23, 2018 soon after it was shot.
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #75 on: June 25, 2018, 11:22:23 AM »
He is playing politics with civil servants instead of politicians. Guaranteed to fail.
bitmask, here's why : Kamwana's the classic hapless king... at the mercy of the queen  :)


End of bromance as Uhuru, Ruto clash becomes public
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/End-of-bromance-as-Uhuru--Ruto-clash-becomes-public/3126390-4627960-nykbq6z/index.html

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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #76 on: June 25, 2018, 11:29:29 AM »
Yesterday you listed a non political position as political. Today you seem to have a different view.

Were Iringo, Nancy Gitau and Kimemia politicians or civil servants?

Political wars in Kenya may be fought by dogs - i.e. Duale may be sent to insult someone or Kuria and Aladwa sent to irritate Luos and Kikuyus respectively.

But Pundit note one thing: The Dog Owner controlling the State always wins. That is because in the end it is the coercive instruments that take over and win the war. Moi's arsenal included Parliament and judiciary. Those two have limited participation and reduced impact today.

He is playing politics with civil servants instead of politicians. Guaranteed to fail.
bitmask, here's why : Kamwana's the classic hapless king... at the mercy of the queen  :)


End of bromance as Uhuru, Ruto clash becomes public
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/End-of-bromance-as-Uhuru--Ruto-clash-becomes-public/3126390-4627960-nykbq6z/index.html
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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #77 on: June 25, 2018, 12:14:33 PM »
That is kibaki folly and you saw how it ended. Politician fight politic war because they are free to go partisan -  to go rallies and make partisan positions. The Murather-Kibicho guys can only fight proxy wars - because they cannot by law be partisan - or they would be kicked out by parliament. Ruto has his people in gov - all arms - just like Uhuru - but he knows what each person best job is.

You saw the same civil servant try fight Sonko - and Sonko gave them Miguna Miguna - now its them bending over to Sonko.

Ruto just gave them a peter keneth move - murathe spend the week desperately calling & threatening MPS :) :) not to attend the rally- Ruto is basically fighting their proxy war right in GEMA - the civil servant are confused because politicians will never answer to them  - politician have huge egos - Uhuru has to call Moses Kuria himself and tell him to start war - but Uhuru doesn't want to do that - he wants somebody else to do it for him - so this end before it starts.


Yesterday you listed a non political position as political. Today you seem to have a different view.

Were Iringo, Nancy Gitau and Kimemia politicians or civil servants?

Political wars in Kenya may be fought by dogs - i.e. Duale may be sent to insult someone or Kuria and Aladwa sent to irritate Luos and Kikuyus respectively.

But Pundit note one thing: The Dog Owner controlling the State always wins. That is because in the end it is the coercive instruments that take over and win the war. Moi's arsenal included Parliament and judiciary. Those two have limited participation and reduced impact today.

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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #78 on: June 25, 2018, 12:55:08 PM »
What you describe there is the cosmetic part of the war.

Rallies where people dance and raise fingers (hopefully not the middle one) are just michezo ya kuigiza ( public drama, if you will). Those are usually the smokescreens to hide the real fight.

What should worry you is why those loyalist GEMA Mps are "supporting" Ruto.

That is kibaki folly and you saw how it ended. Politician fight politic war because they are free to go partisan -  to go rallies and make partisan positions. The Murather-Kibicho guys can only fight proxy wars - because they cannot by law be partisan - or they would be kicked out by parliament. Ruto has his people in gov - all arms - just like Uhuru - but he knows what each person best job is.

You saw the same civil servant try fight Sonko - and Sonko gave them Miguna Miguna - now its them bending over to Sonko.

Ruto just gave them a peter keneth move - murathe spend the week desperately calling & threatening MPS :) :) not to attend the rally- Ruto is basically fighting their proxy war right in GEMA - the civil servant are confused because politicians will never answer to them  - politician have huge egos - Uhuru has to call Moses Kuria himself and tell him to start war - but Uhuru doesn't want to do that - he wants somebody else to do it for him - so this end before it starts.


Yesterday you listed a non political position as political. Today you seem to have a different view.

Were Iringo, Nancy Gitau and Kimemia politicians or civil servants?

Political wars in Kenya may be fought by dogs - i.e. Duale may be sent to insult someone or Kuria and Aladwa sent to irritate Luos and Kikuyus respectively.

But Pundit note one thing: The Dog Owner controlling the State always wins. That is because in the end it is the coercive instruments that take over and win the war. Moi's arsenal included Parliament and judiciary. Those two have limited participation and reduced impact today.
... [the ICC case] will be tried in Europe, where due procedure and expertise prevail.; ... Second-guessing Ocampo and fantasizing ..has obviously become a national pastime.- NattyDread

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Re: Uhuru Kenyatta Vs Bill Ruto
« Reply #79 on: June 25, 2018, 01:15:22 PM »
There are because they are gaining now and in the future. Uhuru cannot follow through things - he'll get tired soon enough if not high - so these mps know in Ruto - btw now & 2022 - they have a reliable accessible partner - who can unlock many doors in gov & make things happen.

The future is interesting - here is Uhuru who is going lameduck and his orphans are trying "impossible" move to extend his term somehow - and here is Ruto the heir apparent - who "must" choose a GEMA DPORK.Most ambitious politicians will want to be part of the future (if not design that future). And that future right now is Ruto. Uhuru has to figure out how to extend his term or make it clear he will chose the DPORK for Ruto.

Uhuru has to crystallize his plan for the future. And do it fast because power hates vacuum. The likes of PK will fill the void and by the time Uhuru wants to appoint his wife as DPORK - Ruto would already have picked his DPORK.

What you describe there is the cosmetic part of the war.

Rallies where people dance and raise fingers (hopefully not the middle one) are just michezo ya kuigiza ( public drama, if you will). Those are usually the smokescreens to hide the real fight.

What should worry you is why those loyalist GEMA Mps are "supporting" Ruto.