The interview is quite empty on the most crucial questions. For example, how was IEBC able to declare a winner with so many returns missing? What was feeding the screen they were using to declare results? Why did IEBC refuse to comply with court orders to open the servers? What happens to ballots a voter gets and they only vote for president? (This is the Justice Philomena Mwilu question IEBC advocates could not answer in court. Can the IEBC CEO answer now?) Is he saying because 2013 results had clerical errors and missing forms we should always accept that as normal? Is he saying IEBC was not aware general elections was a massive undertaking?
The interview is quite empty on the most crucial questions. For example, how was IEBC able to declare a winner with so many returns missing? What was feeding the screen they were using to declare results? Why did IEBC refuse to comply with court orders to open the servers? What happens to ballots a voter gets and they only vote for president? (This is the Justice Philomena Mwilu question IEBC advocates could not answer in court. Can the IEBC CEO answer now?) Is he saying because 2013 results had clerical errors and missing forms we should always accept that as normal? Is he saying IEBC was not aware general elections was a massive undertaking?
You don't need all form 34a if you have form 34B - which are equally final. The rest of the issues have been canvassed severally.The interview is quite empty on the most crucial questions. For example, how was IEBC able to declare a winner with so many returns missing? What was feeding the screen they were using to declare results? Why did IEBC refuse to comply with court orders to open the servers? What happens to ballots a voter gets and they only vote for president? (This is the Justice Philomena Mwilu question IEBC advocates could not answer in court. Can the IEBC CEO answer now?) Is he saying because 2013 results had clerical errors and missing forms we should always accept that as normal? Is he saying IEBC was not aware general elections was a massive undertaking?
He said that the reason why some forms never had the required security features was due to small errors officers made on the ground, one being the destruction of some because of improper placement in the printer.
He also stated that it was because of this reason that some officers had to fill the results on an ordinary piece of paper.
He said that the reason why some forms never had the required security features was due to small errors officers made on the ground, one being the destruction of some because of improper placement in the printer.[/quote]
He also stated that it was because of this reason that some officers had to fill the results on an ordinary piece of paper.
Omollosque nonsense of course - creating evidence and afffidavits on the go.That is his explanation. NASA obtained affidavits and copies of the original forms which showed that the new forms contained fraudulent results inflated in respect of Uhuru.
Even assuming you and Chiloba are right, what would distinguish his from others created by forgers and impostors? The Court inquired and IEBC had no answer.He said that the reason why some forms never had the required security features was due to small errors officers made on the ground, one being the destruction of some because of improper placement in the printer.
He also stated that it was because of this reason that some officers had to fill the results on an ordinary piece of paper.
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If Ouru truly believes he won then he should be mad at IEBC who bungled the elections and not the court. It is clear that Jubilee threatened Chebukati and Akombe to back Chiloba and that is why Chiloba cannot and will not run the October 17th elections. He needs to pack and leave right now or he will the way Hassan left. His arrogance is evidence that he is being backed by some very powerful people in the government. I wonder how he got the job in the first place.Not necessarily. Jubilee/Uhunye believes IEBC lapses were blown out of proportion by SCOK. They argued as much in court and they maintain that stance to date.
If Ouru truly believes he won then he should be mad at IEBC who bungled the elections and not the court. It is clear that Jubilee threatened Chebukati and Akombe to back Chiloba and that is why Chiloba cannot and will not run the October 17th elections. He needs to pack and leave right now or he will the way Hassan left. His arrogance is evidence that he is being backed by some very powerful people in the government. I wonder how he got the job in the first place.Not necessarily. Jubilee/Uhunye believes IEBC lapses were blown out of proportion by SCOK. They argued as much in court and they maintain that stance to date.
If Ouru truly believes he won then he should be mad at IEBC who bungled the elections and not the court. It is clear that Jubilee threatened Chebukati and Akombe to back Chiloba and that is why Chiloba cannot and will not run the October 17th elections. He needs to pack and leave right now or he will the way Hassan left. His arrogance is evidence that he is being backed by some very powerful people in the government. I wonder how he got the job in the first place.Not necessarily. Jubilee/Uhunye believes IEBC lapses were blown out of proportion by SCOK. They argued as much in court and they maintain that stance to date.
If Ouru truly believes he won then he should be mad at IEBC who bungled the elections and not the court. It is clear that Jubilee threatened Chebukati and Akombe to back Chiloba and that is why Chiloba cannot and will not run the October 17th elections. He needs to pack and leave right now or he will the way Hassan left. His arrogance is evidence that he is being backed by some very powerful people in the government. I wonder how he got the job in the first place.Not necessarily. Jubilee/Uhunye believes IEBC lapses were blown out of proportion by SCOK. They argued as much in court and they maintain that stance to date.
That is his explanation. NASA obtained affidavits and copies of the original forms which showed that the new forms contained fraudulent results inflated in respect of Uhuru.I don't think you have been following the argument. As far as Pundit, vooke and Robina are concerned, these copies of originals showing different figures dont exist because there are no photos of them floating around the web. It doesnt matter that they were presented to the court in the petition. What matters is a photo on the web. Thats all that matters as far as evidence goes. Everything else, even those admited by Chebukati are minor clerical issues here and there....
Even assuming you and Chiloba are right, what would distinguish his from others created by forgers and impostors? The Court inquired and IEBC had no answer.He said that the reason why some forms never had the required security features was due to small errors officers made on the ground, one being the destruction of some because of improper placement in the printer.
He also stated that it was because of this reason that some officers had to fill the results on an ordinary piece of paper.
That is his explanation. NASA obtained affidavits and copies of the original forms which showed that the new forms contained fraudulent results inflated in respect of Uhuru.I don't think you have been following the argument. As far as Pundit, vooke and Robina are concerned, these copies of originals showing different figures dont exist because there are no photos of them floating around the web. It doesnt matter that they were presented to the court in the petition. What matters is a photo on the web. Thats all that matters as far as evidence goes. Everything else, even those admited by Chebukati are minor clerical issues here and there....
Even assuming you and Chiloba are right, what would distinguish his from others created by forgers and impostors? The Court inquired and IEBC had no answer.He said that the reason why some forms never had the required security features was due to small errors officers made on the ground, one being the destruction of some because of improper placement in the printer.
He also stated that it was because of this reason that some officers had to fill the results on an ordinary piece of paper.
For some of them, what the jubilant believes counts for more than what was presented before the court or that photo on the web. When the evidence does not fit, they go with the beliefs of their dear ones.
Chiloba said a few shocking things. Among them the repetition of Paul Muite's explanation of why they could not grant the court ordered access to the server even as he casually explained away why Chirchir had admin access to their file server. He either really believes there is nothing to fix, or he is a sociopath.
Of course they believe the court was wrong, however, you cannot say you accept the courts ruling and then refuse to accept its findings. The findings are that IEBC engaged in irregularities and illegalities. Those are serious charges and you cannot say you accept the verdict and then insist that the same people who were found culpable should do it again. This is the highest court in the land and its findings are final whether you agree with it or NOT.Stop being silly.
I don't think you have been following the argument. As far as Pundit, vooke and Robina are concerned, these copies of originals showing different figures dont exist because there are no photos of them floating around the web. It doesnt matter that they were presented to the court in the petition. What matters is a photo on the web. Thats all that matters as far as evidence goes. Everything else, even those admited by Chebukati are minor clerical issues here and there....Blind guide leading blind men.
You're becoming Omollosque. Inventing evidence. Chirchir had no admin rights. He together with ALL 8 PRESIDENTIAL AGENTS were given access to ftp to view forms 34s. NASA never presented evidence showing FORM 34s were altered - that would entail presenting the original (copies they got as agents) that contradict the IEBC forms - with or without security.
Bottomline: This election was thrown out just because some ROS made a mess by trying to embed excel tabulation of form 34As onto the form 34Bs while printing them - the content of those forms were never impugned. It's the most stupid decision ever - because the judges never gave IEBC or Jubilee time to rebut their Audit Report. They just got 10 mins to "comment" on it.
On 17th October - we shall find out just how wrong they got this - when Jubilee romp back home again with even wider margin.
For some of them, what the jubilant believes counts for more than what was presented before the court or that photo on the web. When the evidence does not fit, they go with the beliefs of their dear ones.
Chiloba said a few shocking things. Among them the repetition of Paul Muite's explanation of why they could not grant the court ordered access to the server even as he casually explained away why Chirchir had admin access to their file server. He either really believes there is nothing to fix, or he is a sociopath.
That said Omollesque turned out to be closer to the truth than any innocent explanations for the farce that we were fed on the portal. IEBC still has yet to show that the KIEMS kits actually have anything to do what we see on that portal. Maybe they need a court order for that and a few weeks for the Europeans to wake up from hibernation.
The only KIEMS that failed to transmit were the 11K which IEBC had advised days to the election that they needed to move to network areas. The rest of the devices dis exactly what they were meant to do.You're becoming Omollosque. Inventing evidence. Chirchir had no admin rights. He together with ALL 8 PRESIDENTIAL AGENTS were given access to ftp to view forms 34s. NASA never presented evidence showing FORM 34s were altered - that would entail presenting the original (copies they got as agents) that contradict the IEBC forms - with or without security.
Bottomline: This election was thrown out just because some ROS made a mess by trying to embed excel tabulation of form 34As onto the form 34Bs while printing them - the content of those forms were never impugned. It's the most stupid decision ever - because the judges never gave IEBC or Jubilee time to rebut their Audit Report. They just got 10 mins to "comment" on it.
On 17th October - we shall find out just how wrong they got this - when Jubilee romp back home again with even wider margin.
For some of them, what the jubilant believes counts for more than what was presented before the court or that photo on the web. When the evidence does not fit, they go with the beliefs of their dear ones.
Chiloba said a few shocking things. Among them the repetition of Paul Muite's explanation of why they could not grant the court ordered access to the server even as he casually explained away why Chirchir had admin access to their file server. He either really believes there is nothing to fix, or he is a sociopath.
I withdraw the Chirchir admin claim. He and other party agents had read access. I thought I had seen admin rights somewhere but don't have the evidence. Still, the Chiloba explanation for not granting the SCOK server access remains nonsense at best. At worst it's just a plain lie. That is my main point.
That said Omollesque turned out to be closer to the truth than any innocent explanations for the farce that we were fed on the portal. IEBC still has yet to show that the KIEMS kits actually have anything to do what we see on that portal. Maybe they need a court order for that and a few weeks for the Europeans to wake up from hibernation.
I feel sure I read about these agents copies being part of all that documentation presented to the court. Am I misremembering this? It is possible NASA simply decided to focus on IEBC own admitted documents as a matter of strategy especially following lessons frim the 2013 petition. However, since I did not read those docs myself and simply read reports on what waa contained in the thousands of documents that were presented, I will not push the point further.I don't think you have been following the argument. As far as Pundit, vooke and Robina are concerned, these copies of originals showing different figures dont exist because there are no photos of them floating around the web. It doesnt matter that they were presented to the court in the petition. What matters is a photo on the web. Thats all that matters as far as evidence goes. Everything else, even those admited by Chebukati are minor clerical issues here and there....Blind guide leading blind men.
No such forms were ever presented in court, hosting them on some web server is totally irrelevant to this
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I feel sure I read about these agents copies being part of all that documentation presented to the court. Am I misremembering this? It is possible NASA simply decided to focus on IEBC own admitted documents as a matter of strategy especially following lessons frim the 2013 petition. However, since I did not read those docs myself and simply read reports on what waa contained in the thousands of documents that were presented, I will not push the point further.
The only KIEMS that failed to transmit were the 11K which IEBC had advised days to the election that they needed to move to network areas. The rest of the devices dis exactly what they were meant to do.
Chilobae responded to the memo and Chebukati said they are going through the response before making them public. What you have is a skewed issue of a scathing memo gone public while response remain private. So it's open day for conspiracy theorists. We have this with auditor general where they raise queries which somewhat leak to the public but not responses to them. Afya House and even NYS saga was largely along these lines.
Where was the push to remove Mutunga and company from office following their ruling without a full judgment in 2013? Complete with a you-will-see-us finger-wagging? That's the part I seem to miss in all these false equivalencies where criticisms of judgments = direct threats to judges.Of course they believe the court was wrong, however, you cannot say you accept the courts ruling and then refuse to accept its findings. The findings are that IEBC engaged in irregularities and illegalities. Those are serious charges and you cannot say you accept the verdict and then insist that the same people who were found culpable should do it again. This is the highest court in the land and its findings are final whether you agree with it or NOT.Stop being silly.
Babu accepted 2013 decision but has been whining about a stolen election for the past 5yrs
You can abide by the ruling since there is little else you can do and still criticize it as NASWA/CORD has been doing for the last 5yrs. Uhuru is no different. That he is busy campaigning and preparing for the coming election means he has accepted the ruling.
Hehehe :)Boss, just keeping it honest. I read somewhere about 5000 or so agents copies being presented in the petition but I have not seen anyone argue about them in the videos. If thats true, then it may have been a strategic decision to simply concentrate on the errors in the admited forms. If my memory is faulty then thats ok too. I have lots of faith in my memory but Im not infallible.e and there....
I feel sure I read about these agents copies being part of all that documentation presented to the court. Am I misremembering this? It is possible NASA simply decided to focus on IEBC own admitted documents as a matter of strategy especially following lessons frim the 2013 petition. However, since I did not read those docs myself and simply read reports on what waa contained in the thousands of documents that were presented, I will not push the point further.
If my memory is faulty then thats ok too.
Which results in portal do you reckon was a farce. No evidence has been adduced so far that suggest any of those figures were manipulated. There are errors - as you would expect - that IEBC staff committed - small transcription errors - but so far noboy has yet to come up with evidence showing any FORM 34 A or Text-IN Data or Form 34B were not genuine. The forms had "formatting" issues - Chiloba has explained - that staff had challenges printing the results - they had to prepare an excel & then super-imposed it to original form 34s - and they ended up damaging the original form 34Bs.
In short when anyone find evidence that shows any form 34s was manipulated - kindly share. It would just entail a few NASA agents showing us what was original signed, what was text-in and what eventually showed up as scanned image in IEBC. Not a single evidence of that has been presented.
All the form 34bs that didn't have security features - again thanks to printing mess - were signed by NASA agents - some of them very well known.That said Omollesque turned out to be closer to the truth than any innocent explanations for the farce that we were fed on the portal. IEBC still has yet to show that the KIEMS kits actually have anything to do what we see on that portal. Maybe they need a court order for that and a few weeks for the Europeans to wake up from hibernation.
It definitely faulty because this evidence we've been looking for and haven't seen it.Sawasawa. Im sure I read this somewhere. I will look for that report somewhere for as fallible as my memory is, it's not that creative.If my memory is faulty then thats ok too.
But threats have nothing to do with criticizing a judgement.Where was the push to remove Mutunga and company from office following their ruling without a full judgment in 2013? Complete with a you-will-see-us finger-wagging? That's the part I seem to miss in all these false equivalencies where criticisms of judgments = direct threats to judges.Of course they believe the court was wrong, however, you cannot say you accept the courts ruling and then refuse to accept its findings. The findings are that IEBC engaged in irregularities and illegalities. Those are serious charges and you cannot say you accept the verdict and then insist that the same people who were found culpable should do it again. This is the highest court in the land and its findings are final whether you agree with it or NOT.Stop being silly.
Babu accepted 2013 decision but has been whining about a stolen election for the past 5yrs
You can abide by the ruling since there is little else you can do and still criticize it as NASWA/CORD has been doing for the last 5yrs. Uhuru is no different. That he is busy campaigning and preparing for the coming election means he has accepted the ruling.
It definitely faulty because this evidence we've been looking for and haven't seen it. I don't think there is a more powerful evidence of rigging than this. Obviously there was no rigging - so NASA went for processes laps and gaps - and the foolish Magara and his gang of four - bought it hook, line and sinker. The legal world is waiting for the earth shattering full judgement.The legal world understands the law. Its politicians and other non lawyers who think the judges are somewhere somehow struggling to write a reasoned judgment.If my memory is faulty then thats ok too.
But this was not the case in 2013 where losers and all their supporters criticized a judgement. OkIt definitely faulty because this evidence we've been looking for and haven't seen it. I don't think there is a more powerful evidence of rigging than this. Obviously there was no rigging - so NASA went for processes laps and gaps - and the foolish Magara and his gang of four - bought it hook, line and sinker. The legal world is waiting for the earth shattering full judgement.The legal world understands the law. Its politicians and other non lawyers who think the judges are somewhere somehow struggling to write a reasoned judgment.If my memory is faulty then thats ok too.
That is not my point. Even if it's debatable.
The actual point is that there is not one record of transmission with polling station, KIEMS kitidentification, location and time stamp associated with the information on the portal that IEBC has shared. Just 1 out of 40,883. I don't know why, but the reason for that cannot be a good one.
This is information, that just by itself, would go some ways in debunking claims that these are figures entered fraudulently into the system. Without that information, you cannot even start to debunk the claim that none of that data was entered at the polling stations.
But threats have nothing to do with criticizing a judgement.Where was the push to remove Mutunga and company from office following their ruling without a full judgment in 2013? Complete with a you-will-see-us finger-wagging? That's the part I seem to miss in all these false equivalencies where criticisms of judgments = direct threats to judges.Of course they believe the court was wrong, however, you cannot say you accept the courts ruling and then refuse to accept its findings. The findings are that IEBC engaged in irregularities and illegalities. Those are serious charges and you cannot say you accept the verdict and then insist that the same people who were found culpable should do it again. This is the highest court in the land and its findings are final whether you agree with it or NOT.Stop being silly.
Babu accepted 2013 decision but has been whining about a stolen election for the past 5yrs
You can abide by the ruling since there is little else you can do and still criticize it as NASWA/CORD has been doing for the last 5yrs. Uhuru is no different. That he is busy campaigning and preparing for the coming election means he has accepted the ruling.
For one Babu was out of government so his options were terribly limited. Then he was outnumbered in parliament.
Fact,and point,remains that Babu accepted and criticized a SCOK decision yet his number one fan can't reconcile Uhunye accepting and criticizing a SCOK decision.
H...hy.....hypocrisyBut threats have nothing to do with criticizing a judgement.Where was the push to remove Mutunga and company from office following their ruling without a full judgment in 2013? Complete with a you-will-see-us finger-wagging? That's the part I seem to miss in all these false equivalencies where criticisms of judgments = direct threats to judges.Of course they believe the court was wrong, however, you cannot say you accept the courts ruling and then refuse to accept its findings. The findings are that IEBC engaged in irregularities and illegalities. Those are serious charges and you cannot say you accept the verdict and then insist that the same people who were found culpable should do it again. This is the highest court in the land and its findings are final whether you agree with it or NOT.Stop being silly.
Babu accepted 2013 decision but has been whining about a stolen election for the past 5yrs
You can abide by the ruling since there is little else you can do and still criticize it as NASWA/CORD has been doing for the last 5yrs. Uhuru is no different. That he is busy campaigning and preparing for the coming election means he has accepted the ruling.
For one Babu was out of government so his options were terribly limited. Then he was outnumbered in parliament.
Fact,and point,remains that Babu accepted and criticized a SCOK decision yet his number one fan can't reconcile Uhunye accepting and criticizing a SCOK decision.
This must be the b ... bu .... but NASA did it too argument in support of intimidation of indendepent judges.
I see you invent a new standard and you want IEBC to retro-actively fulfill them. There is a lot of ways to verify what was sent via KIMS. Obviously server logs would have such data if it was configured to have them. Still even in pre-tech era - elections were verifiable - by agents signatures - pictures people took when results were pinned on the world.That is not my point. Even if it's debatable.
The actual point is that there is not one record of transmission with polling station, KIEMS kitidentification, location and time stamp associated with the information on the portal that IEBC has shared. Just 1 out of 40,883. I don't know why, but the reason for that cannot be a good one.
This is information, that just by itself, would go some ways in debunking claims that these are figures entered fraudulently into the system. Without that information, you cannot even start to debunk the claim that none of that data was entered at the polling stations.
But threats have nothing to do with criticizing a judgement.
For one Babu was out of government so his options were terribly limited. Then he was outnumbered in parliament.
Fact,and point,remains that Babu accepted and criticized a SCOK decision FOR YEARS yet his number one fan can't reconcile Uhunye accepting and criticizing a SCOK decision FOR 2 WEEKS :lolz:
Fact is: there were NO threats to judges in 2013 and you have to make up a hypothetical that there would have been :D All this to excuse Jubilee's IMMEDIATE launch of threats. Rao was rightly condemned for mere criticisms but Jubilee's number one closeted fan has to make up a hypothetical threat to equivocate with the open judicial witch-hunts we are witnessing. :D It must be tough pretending to be neutral.But threats have nothing to do with criticizing a judgement.Where was the push to remove Mutunga and company from office following their ruling without a full judgment in 2013? Complete with a you-will-see-us finger-wagging? That's the part I seem to miss in all these false equivalencies where criticisms of judgments = direct threats to judges.Of course they believe the court was wrong, however, you cannot say you accept the courts ruling and then refuse to accept its findings. The findings are that IEBC engaged in irregularities and illegalities. Those are serious charges and you cannot say you accept the verdict and then insist that the same people who were found culpable should do it again. This is the highest court in the land and its findings are final whether you agree with it or NOT.Stop being silly.
Babu accepted 2013 decision but has been whining about a stolen election for the past 5yrs
You can abide by the ruling since there is little else you can do and still criticize it as NASWA/CORD has been doing for the last 5yrs. Uhuru is no different. That he is busy campaigning and preparing for the coming election means he has accepted the ruling.
For one Babu was out of government so his options were terribly limited. Then he was outnumbered in parliament.
Fact,and point,remains that Babu accepted and criticized a SCOK decision FOR YEARS yet his number one fan can't reconcile Uhunye accepting and criticizing a SCOK decision FOR 2 WEEKS :lolz:
It's not a standard. It's just a fact I am stating. If that info is out there, and I were IEBC, I would have put it out there to buttress even the points you are making.
Babu's reaction need not be equal to Uhunye's to make my point; it suffices that both have attacked a determination after accepting it contrary to KM's claim that you can't attack and accept a decision.Fact is: there were NO threats to judges in 2013 and you have to make up a hypothetical that there would have been :D All this to excuse Jubilee's IMMEDIATE launch of threats. Rao was rightly condemned for mere criticisms but Jubilee's number one closeted fan has to make up a hypothetical threat to equivocate with the open judicial witch-hunts we are witnessing. :D It must be tough pretending to be neutral.But threats have nothing to do with criticizing a judgement.Where was the push to remove Mutunga and company from office following their ruling without a full judgment in 2013? Complete with a you-will-see-us finger-wagging? That's the part I seem to miss in all these false equivalencies where criticisms of judgments = direct threats to judges.Of course they believe the court was wrong, however, you cannot say you accept the courts ruling and then refuse to accept its findings. The findings are that IEBC engaged in irregularities and illegalities. Those are serious charges and you cannot say you accept the verdict and then insist that the same people who were found culpable should do it again. This is the highest court in the land and its findings are final whether you agree with it or NOT.Stop being silly.
Babu accepted 2013 decision but has been whining about a stolen election for the past 5yrs
You can abide by the ruling since there is little else you can do and still criticize it as NASWA/CORD has been doing for the last 5yrs. Uhuru is no different. That he is busy campaigning and preparing for the coming election means he has accepted the ruling.
For one Babu was out of government so his options were terribly limited. Then he was outnumbered in parliament.
Fact,and point,remains that Babu accepted and criticized a SCOK decision FOR YEARS yet his number one fan can't reconcile Uhunye accepting and criticizing a SCOK decision FOR 2 WEEKS :lolz:
You'll still claim it was manipulated. NASA Tech Agent were given server logs. Then they demanded access - and they go it - albeit late. Now IEBC are saying they are open to server audit. In this era of SOCIAL MEDIA - explain to me why evidence of Jubilee rigging or manipulation has not surfaced. Everyone I know nearly has facebook account. If you say Kisii votes were stolen - it should be easy to find evidence from NASA diehards - they were in polling stations, they counted the votes, the agents signed and copy was pinned. Show up pictures that someone took of the counting & what was pinned on the wall -- and what later turned out in Nairobi. --so we can understand the "Transmission" issues this election had.kadame believes that all this evidence is allergic to internet hence it NEVER saw light of day outside the courtroomIt's not a standard. It's just a fact I am stating. If that info is out there, and I were IEBC, I would have put it out there to buttress even the points you are making.
Who said so? If you find even one post of mine complaining that ANYONE has criticized a judgment, I will render full and unconditional apologies. WE criticize judgments ALL the time. Go to any law class and tell me if you can find one without criticisms of judicial reasonings. THREATS to judges offices in response to losing a case are NOT criticisms. They are intimidation and witch hunting.But this was not the case in 2013 where losers and all their supporters criticized a judgement. OkIt definitely faulty because this evidence we've been looking for and haven't seen it. I don't think there is a more powerful evidence of rigging than this. Obviously there was no rigging - so NASA went for processes laps and gaps - and the foolish Magara and his gang of four - bought it hook, line and sinker. The legal world is waiting for the earth shattering full judgement.The legal world understands the law. Its politicians and other non lawyers who think the judges are somewhere somehow struggling to write a reasoned judgment.If my memory is faulty then thats ok too.
Legal response to a determination is not intimidation or witch hunting.Who said so? If you find even one post of mine complaining that ANYONE has criticized a judgment, I will render full and unconditional apologies. WE criticize judgments ALL the time. Go to any law class and tell me if you can find one without criticisms of judicial reasonings. THREATS to judges offices in response to losing a case are NOT criticisms. They are intimidation and witch hunting.But this was not the case in 2013 where losers and all their supporters criticized a judgement. OkIt definitely faulty because this evidence we've been looking for and haven't seen it. I don't think there is a more powerful evidence of rigging than this. Obviously there was no rigging - so NASA went for processes laps and gaps - and the foolish Magara and his gang of four - bought it hook, line and sinker. The legal world is waiting for the earth shattering full judgement.The legal world understands the law. Its politicians and other non lawyers who think the judges are somewhere somehow struggling to write a reasoned judgment.If my memory is faulty then thats ok too.
The fact that you must visit an alternate timeline in the mutliverse to find an equivalent to the threats we are witnessing says to me its not pang'ang'a to you or you would not have gone there.Babu's reaction need not be equal to Uhunye's to make my point; it suffices that both have attacked a determination after accepting it contrary to KM's claim that you can't attack and accept a decision.Fact is: there were NO threats to judges in 2013 and you have to make up a hypothetical that there would have been :D All this to excuse Jubilee's IMMEDIATE launch of threats. Rao was rightly condemned for mere criticisms but Jubilee's number one closeted fan has to make up a hypothetical threat to equivocate with the open judicial witch-hunts we are witnessing. :D It must be tough pretending to be neutral.But threats have nothing to do with criticizing a judgement.Where was the push to remove Mutunga and company from office following their ruling without a full judgment in 2013? Complete with a you-will-see-us finger-wagging? That's the part I seem to miss in all these false equivalencies where criticisms of judgments = direct threats to judges.Of course they believe the court was wrong, however, you cannot say you accept the courts ruling and then refuse to accept its findings. The findings are that IEBC engaged in irregularities and illegalities. Those are serious charges and you cannot say you accept the verdict and then insist that the same people who were found culpable should do it again. This is the highest court in the land and its findings are final whether you agree with it or NOT.Stop being silly.
Babu accepted 2013 decision but has been whining about a stolen election for the past 5yrs
You can abide by the ruling since there is little else you can do and still criticize it as NASWA/CORD has been doing for the last 5yrs. Uhuru is no different. That he is busy campaigning and preparing for the coming election means he has accepted the ruling.
For one Babu was out of government so his options were terribly limited. Then he was outnumbered in parliament.
Fact,and point,remains that Babu accepted and criticized a SCOK decision FOR YEARS yet his number one fan can't reconcile Uhunye accepting and criticizing a SCOK decision FOR 2 WEEKS :lolz:
Anything else ni pang'ang'a
In which universe is this a "legak response to a determination"?? LOL! Dude, the only "legal responses to a determination" are: appeals, judicial review etc etc. There is NO thing like removing a judge as a response to a determination EVEN A VERY BAD DETERMINATION!!Legal response to a determination is not intimidation or witch hunting.Who said so? If you find even one post of mine complaining that ANYONE has criticized a judgment, I will render full and unconditional apologies. WE criticize judgments ALL the time. Go to any law class and tell me if you can find one without criticisms of judicial reasonings. THREATS to judges offices in response to losing a case are NOT criticisms. They are intimidation and witch hunting.But this was not the case in 2013 where losers and all their supporters criticized a judgement. OkIt definitely faulty because this evidence we've been looking for and haven't seen it. I don't think there is a more powerful evidence of rigging than this. Obviously there was no rigging - so NASA went for processes laps and gaps - and the foolish Magara and his gang of four - bought it hook, line and sinker. The legal world is waiting for the earth shattering full judgement.The legal world understands the law. Its politicians and other non lawyers who think the judges are somewhere somehow struggling to write a reasoned judgment.If my memory is faulty then thats ok too.
It's the hypocrisy that's I find nauseatingThe fact that you must visit an alternate timeline in the mutliverse to find an equivalent to the threats we are witnessing says to me its not pang'ang'a to you or you would not have gone there.Babu's reaction need not be equal to Uhunye's to make my point; it suffices that both have attacked a determination after accepting it contrary to KM's claim that you can't attack and accept a decision.Fact is: there were NO threats to judges in 2013 and you have to make up a hypothetical that there would have been :D All this to excuse Jubilee's IMMEDIATE launch of threats. Rao was rightly condemned for mere criticisms but Jubilee's number one closeted fan has to make up a hypothetical threat to equivocate with the open judicial witch-hunts we are witnessing. :D It must be tough pretending to be neutral.But threats have nothing to do with criticizing a judgement.Where was the push to remove Mutunga and company from office following their ruling without a full judgment in 2013? Complete with a you-will-see-us finger-wagging? That's the part I seem to miss in all these false equivalencies where criticisms of judgments = direct threats to judges.Of course they believe the court was wrong, however, you cannot say you accept the courts ruling and then refuse to accept its findings. The findings are that IEBC engaged in irregularities and illegalities. Those are serious charges and you cannot say you accept the verdict and then insist that the same people who were found culpable should do it again. This is the highest court in the land and its findings are final whether you agree with it or NOT.Stop being silly.
Babu accepted 2013 decision but has been whining about a stolen election for the past 5yrs
You can abide by the ruling since there is little else you can do and still criticize it as NASWA/CORD has been doing for the last 5yrs. Uhuru is no different. That he is busy campaigning and preparing for the coming election means he has accepted the ruling.
For one Babu was out of government so his options were terribly limited. Then he was outnumbered in parliament.
Fact,and point,remains that Babu accepted and criticized a SCOK decision FOR YEARS yet his number one fan can't reconcile Uhunye accepting and criticizing a SCOK decision FOR 2 WEEKS :lolz:
Anything else ni pang'ang'a
That's why I can't understand why all of Kisii is up in flames over Ngunjiri's petition. It's now a political crime to criticize him. That petition is the ONLY tangible move so far against Maraga.In which universe is this a "legak response to a determination"?? LOL! Dude, the only "legal responses to a determination" are: appeals, judicial review etc etc. There is NO thing like removing a judge as a response to a determination EVEN A VERY BAD ONE!!Legal response to a determination is not intimidation or witch hunting.Who said so? If you find even one post of mine complaining that ANYONE has criticized a judgment, I will render full and unconditional apologies. WE criticize judgments ALL the time. Go to any law class and tell me if you can find one without criticisms of judicial reasonings. THREATS to judges offices in response to losing a case are NOT criticisms. They are intimidation and witch hunting.But this was not the case in 2013 where losers and all their supporters criticized a judgement. OkIt definitely faulty because this evidence we've been looking for and haven't seen it. I don't think there is a more powerful evidence of rigging than this. Obviously there was no rigging - so NASA went for processes laps and gaps - and the foolish Magara and his gang of four - bought it hook, line and sinker. The legal world is waiting for the earth shattering full judgement.The legal world understands the law. Its politicians and other non lawyers who think the judges are somewhere somehow struggling to write a reasoned judgment.If my memory is faulty then thats ok too.
vooke, pretending that threatening a judge's job after he rules against you is the same thing as saying this or that decision is bad is very hypocritical. The Ngunjiri petition is dirty because it is an open smear attack on a judicial officer for doing his job after a disfavourable ruling. EVERYONE should be up in flames. Not just Kisiis. When Raila was roundly criticized in 2013 for saying "korti bandia" he immediately dropped that tack and stuck to criticism of the judgment itself. Zero tolerance to Ngunjiri type nonsense is the only way of dealing with wannabe Mois and much more than Kisii flames should be targetted at these enemies of civility and institutionalism.Kadame,
vooke, not only have I seen that ridiculous (yes, ridiculous) document, I also watched his press 'show' where he could not answer simple challenges from journalists. :D Have YOU read this document or listened to that presser? Just which one of these "allegations" (I have problems even calling them allegations, more like imaginations) do you think constitutes a leg to stand on?vooke, pretending that threatening a judge's job after he rules against you is the same thing as saying this or that decision is bad is very hypocritical. The Ngunjiri petition is dirty because it is an open smear attack on a judicial officer for doing his job after a disfavourable ruling. EVERYONE should be up in flames. Not just Kisiis. When Raila was roundly criticized in 2013 for saying "korti bandia" he immediately dropped that tack and stuck to criticism of the judgment itself. Zero tolerance to Ngunjiri type nonsense is the only way of dealing with wannabe Mois and much more than Kisii flames should be targetted at these enemies of civility and institutionalism.Kadame,
You are free to invent all sorts of motives behind Ngunjiri petition calling it all sorts of names that you can muster, and I think it is a wild petition btw, but we should defend him in exercising his right to petition.
Have you read it?
Here;
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2rMMQJiqMB8LXBfZlppMGlScEU
But some pages are disjointed.
Kisii are not the more enlightened to protest the petitio; it's good old and simplistic Tribe doing the talking. Maraga should not be defended by such primitive and dirty tactics. That's blackmail.
Uhunye and anyone who took the determination personal is free to pursue all legal recourse available to them. If Maraga and crew are clean,they should sit pretty. If not,they should start packing and buckle up for the roughest ride of their lives. 8)
We should only be worried when they cross the legal lines
That's why I said I don't think it'll go far.vooke, not only have I seen that ridiculous (yes, ridiculous) document, I also watched his press 'show' where he could not answer simple challenges from journalists. :D Have YOU read this document or listened to that presser? Just which one of these "allegations" (I have problems even calling them allegations, more like imaginations) do you think constitutes a leg to stand on?vooke, pretending that threatening a judge's job after he rules against you is the same thing as saying this or that decision is bad is very hypocritical. The Ngunjiri petition is dirty because it is an open smear attack on a judicial officer for doing his job after a disfavourable ruling. EVERYONE should be up in flames. Not just Kisiis. When Raila was roundly criticized in 2013 for saying "korti bandia" he immediately dropped that tack and stuck to criticism of the judgment itself. Zero tolerance to Ngunjiri type nonsense is the only way of dealing with wannabe Mois and much more than Kisii flames should be targetted at these enemies of civility and institutionalism.Kadame,
You are free to invent all sorts of motives behind Ngunjiri petition calling it all sorts of names that you can muster, and I think it is a wild petition btw, but we should defend him in exercising his right to petition.
Have you read it?
Here;
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2rMMQJiqMB8LXBfZlppMGlScEU
But some pages are disjointed.
Kisii are not the more enlightened to protest the petitio; it's good old and simplistic Tribe doing the talking. Maraga should not be defended by such primitive and dirty tactics. That's blackmail.
Uhunye and anyone who took the determination personal is free to pursue all legal recourse available to them. If Maraga and crew are clean,they should sit pretty. If not,they should start packing and buckle up for the roughest ride of their lives. 8)
We should only be worried when they cross the legal lines
Did you hear him say that the CJ exercised "undue influence" on the other judges of the SCOK and even "forced" Judge Ibrahim not to participate in the final determination? :D According to Ngunjiri, the sick judge was willing to participate despite illness if only mean old Maraga had not stopped him. Yes, Ngunjiri said this in front of cameras while presenting this petition that people like you have decided to take seriously in all the wrong ways :D Asked how he could possibly know this he immediately dodged claiming he will present evidence later. In fact, how Uhuru supporters like Kabogo have dismissed this as Ngunjiri's own side-shows just may have convinced me it was a one-man sycophancy move to prove loyalty or build his own brand among Uhuru's supporters for his own future career moves ala Babu Owino/Abwabu Namamba strategies: only I doubt he would go all that distance without approval from higher ups considering the potential of moves like this at this time to cost Uhuru votes in some places while he is busy campaigning.
This is all BS. Read it yourself and tell me what you take seriously there. Ati judges have been indoctrinated :lolz: Apparently, they lack brains to determine their own judicial philosophy and are so weak-minded they should not expose themselves to all the legal and philosophical thought there is out there. Should they be so exposed and either come to agree with all these thoughts or to arrive at them on their own, this is grounds to remove them. :D Dude, are we in church trying a rogue bishop for heresy?
The ONLY thing there that might pass for a genuine concern if one didn't already know that one was dealing with a shameless propagandist is the charge that there were inappropriate communications with petitioners during the petition. Indeed I would eagerly wait to see evidence of these inappropriate communications given a still undenied widely reported story of this very thing by Jubilee allied persons. :) But of course he is not claiming to want to present this evidence but instead wants the JSC to start invading Maraga's privacy to satisfy Ngunjiri's curiosity.
Jubilee's transparent propagandas and witchhunts are obvious. They are only shocking in how brazenly they are executed.
And of course Kisiis are out protecting their "our man". My point is that this type of thing should be treated as far more than an "our man" issue by ALL facets of this society who care about actual institutional maturity.
Condemnations are not threats. Just like Ngunjiri has a "right" to make up stuff either for his own political career stardom or for Jubilee, everyone else has a right to call out his BS and condemn this blatant politicization of judgments. I'm pretty sure Ngunjiri cannot substantiate any of this: 90% is non-existent "offenses" and when addressing actual wrong, he is asking the JSC to invade Maraga's privacy and insinuating that he himself invaded the closed SCOK deliberations or at best that he has acquired testimony from judges who are ready to be called to give evidence of coercion/intimidation by Maraga: How much of this do you realistically expect would happen? True dat, about propaganda, but no one tried to have Mutunga removed for allegedly eating 1 Billion to give the 2013 judgment. No one even tried to legitimize the allegations by pretending to institute a formal proceeding. What I find sickest by the Ngunjiri types is how far they are willing to take their Moiwannabeism.
That's why I said I don't think it'll go far.
I have a problem with preempting it by issuing threats and all because I trust we have structures (JSC-Parliament) to weed out bullshiet. The only reason I can guess for that is real fear.
Ngunjiri says he's ready to stand by or substantiate every claim right there. I'd love to see that. I'm told he should have filed an affidavit and not that love letter.
But we won't get far because Uhuru has asked him to withdraw it.
Regarding propaganda,we are back to equivalence. We was told that Mutunga and team ate 1B each.
Ngunjiri is more then being condemned, he has been threatened. Kisii's are vowing to shift their votes just to prove a point. That's not condemnation. And it has worked!Condemnations are not threats. Just like Ngunjiri has a "right" to make up stuff either for his own political career stardom or for Jubilee, everyone else has a right to call out his BS and condemn this blatant politicization of judgments. I'm pretty sure Ngunjiri cannot substantiate any of this: 90% is non-existent "offenses" and when addressing actual wrong, he is asking the JSC to invade Maraga's privacy and insinuating that he himself invaded the closed SCOK deliberations or at best that he has acquired testimony from judges who are ready to be called to give evidence of coercion/intimidation by Maraga: How much of this do you realistically expect would happen? True dat, about propaganda, but no one tried to have Mutunga removed for allegedly eating 1 Billion to give the 2013 judgment. No one even tried to legitimize the allegations by pretending to institute a formal proceeding. What I find sickest by the Ngunjiri types is how far they are willing to take their Moiwannabeism.
That's why I said I don't think it'll go far.
I have a problem with preempting it by issuing threats and all because I trust we have structures (JSC-Parliament) to weed out bullshiet. The only reason I can guess for that is real fear.
Ngunjiri says he's ready to stand by or substantiate every claim right there. I'd love to see that. I'm told he should have filed an affidavit and not that love letter.
But we won't get far because Uhuru has asked him to withdraw it.
Regarding propaganda,we are back to equivalence. We was told that Mutunga and team ate 1B each.
You'll still claim it was manipulated. NASA Tech Agent were given server logs. Then they demanded access - and they go it - albeit late.
Now IEBC are saying they are open to server audit. In this era of SOCIAL MEDIA - explain to me why evidence of Jubilee rigging or manipulation has not surfaced. Everyone I know nearly has facebook account. If you say Kisii votes were stolen - it should be easy to find evidence from NASA diehards - they were in polling stations, they counted the votes, the agents signed and copy was pinned. Show up pictures that someone took of the counting & what was pinned on the wall -- and what later turned out in Nairobi. --so we can understand the "Transmission" issues this election had.It's not a standard. It's just a fact I am stating. If that info is out there, and I were IEBC, I would have put it out there to buttress even the points you are making.
I find it interesting how you struggle to see that openly targeting a judge's job due to a judicial decision (and while he is still writing a judgment) is a threat and intimidation, instead you see it as criticism, and somehow can say that voters withdrawing their support in disapproval of a party's behaviour constitutes a "threat".....ARE YOU SERIOUS??? 8)Ngunjiri is more then being condemned, he has been threatened. Kisii's are vowing to shift their votes just to prove a point. That's not condemnation. And it has worked!Condemnations are not threats. Just like Ngunjiri has a "right" to make up stuff either for his own political career stardom or for Jubilee, everyone else has a right to call out his BS and condemn this blatant politicization of judgments. I'm pretty sure Ngunjiri cannot substantiate any of this: 90% is non-existent "offenses" and when addressing actual wrong, he is asking the JSC to invade Maraga's privacy and insinuating that he himself invaded the closed SCOK deliberations or at best that he has acquired testimony from judges who are ready to be called to give evidence of coercion/intimidation by Maraga: How much of this do you realistically expect would happen? True dat, about propaganda, but no one tried to have Mutunga removed for allegedly eating 1 Billion to give the 2013 judgment. No one even tried to legitimize the allegations by pretending to institute a formal proceeding. What I find sickest by the Ngunjiri types is how far they are willing to take their Moiwannabeism.
That's why I said I don't think it'll go far.
I have a problem with preempting it by issuing threats and all because I trust we have structures (JSC-Parliament) to weed out bullshiet. The only reason I can guess for that is real fear.
Ngunjiri says he's ready to stand by or substantiate every claim right there. I'd love to see that. I'm told he should have filed an affidavit and not that love letter.
But we won't get far because Uhuru has asked him to withdraw it.
Regarding propaganda,we are back to equivalence. We was told that Mutunga and team ate 1B each.
You're 'pretty sure' yet you can't/won't wait for him to present his evidence ok. Rest 'pretty sure' that you can't eat your words because he has withdrawn.
I'm not seriou,I'm vooke 8)I find it interesting how you struggle to see that openly targeting a judge's job due to a judicial decision is a threat and intimidation, instead you see it as criticism, and somehow can say that voters withdrawing their support in disapproval of a party's behaviour constitutes a "threat".....ARE YOU SERIOUS??? 8)Ngunjiri is more then being condemned, he has been threatened. Kisii's are vowing to shift their votes just to prove a point. That's not condemnation. And it has worked!Condemnations are not threats. Just like Ngunjiri has a "right" to make up stuff either for his own political career stardom or for Jubilee, everyone else has a right to call out his BS and condemn this blatant politicization of judgments. I'm pretty sure Ngunjiri cannot substantiate any of this: 90% is non-existent "offenses" and when addressing actual wrong, he is asking the JSC to invade Maraga's privacy and insinuating that he himself invaded the closed SCOK deliberations or at best that he has acquired testimony from judges who are ready to be called to give evidence of coercion/intimidation by Maraga: How much of this do you realistically expect would happen? True dat, about propaganda, but no one tried to have Mutunga removed for allegedly eating 1 Billion to give the 2013 judgment. No one even tried to legitimize the allegations by pretending to institute a formal proceeding. What I find sickest by the Ngunjiri types is how far they are willing to take their Moiwannabeism.
That's why I said I don't think it'll go far.
I have a problem with preempting it by issuing threats and all because I trust we have structures (JSC-Parliament) to weed out bullshiet. The only reason I can guess for that is real fear.
Ngunjiri says he's ready to stand by or substantiate every claim right there. I'd love to see that. I'm told he should have filed an affidavit and not that love letter.
But we won't get far because Uhuru has asked him to withdraw it.
Regarding propaganda,we are back to equivalence. We was told that Mutunga and team ate 1B each.
You're 'pretty sure' yet you can't/won't wait for him to present his evidence ok. Rest 'pretty sure' that you can't eat your words because he has withdrawn.
I made it clear not just that I think these are BS allegations but WHY before this withdrawal. Dude, if a judge complained of coercion by Maraga, why would he need a Nyeri MP to report the matter to the JSC? So I'm not resting assured of anything, my fren, I was not waiting to be proven/disproven right. If the JSC had soiled itself by entertaining it beyond the most cursory consideration they would have just colluded with political thugs.
If Maraga was caught doing something wrong in the normal course of things and this blew up in his face and he found himself facing all sorts of pressure and inquisitions for his misbehaviour, one, I doubt any Kisii would waste their time demonstrating for him, and two, it would not be a fight between Nyeri MPs and the CJ. It would look more like the Shollei sagas. These "threats" be they from Kisii or elsewhere are because everyone can see the witch-hunt for what it is and it stinks. Dudes lose a court case then start a grand inquisition against the CJ, anyone could tell you whats going on there.
President @UKenyatta asks MP Ngunjiri to withdraw CJ Maraga petition. pic.twitter.com/Bm0DjWP3Ty
— Amb. Manoah Esipisu EBS (@MEsipisu) September 15, 2017
President @UKenyatta asks MP Ngunjiri to withdraw CJ Maraga petition. pic.twitter.com/Bm0DjWP3Ty
— Amb. Manoah Esipisu EBS (@MEsipisu) September 15, 2017
I'm not seriou,I'm vooke 8)Right: Ngunjiri is within his constitutional rights but Kisii voters are not, yes? :D Who has gotten in the way of his exercising them? Perhaps you should direct your complaint at Uhuru who is busy interfering with Ngunjiri's constitutional rights :D
There are well laid out procedures for kicking them out and Jubilee following this is no intimidation or threatening. Threats are withholding Kisii votes should this be followed or even attempted
Concerning your thoughts/views/opinion,I told you they are not the subject so highly irrelevant as are mine which mirror yours 8); what matters is getting in the way of a petitioner within his constitutional right.
Uhunye does not need Kisii 280k to get past the 50% mark, but with the uncertain turnout on 17th,he needs every vote. That is what compelled him to beat st a hasty retreat.
Some would be excused for seeing it for what it is. Good cop, bad cop routine in the service of intimidation.
They are within their rights to deny Uhunye votes for entertaining the very thought of kicking out Maraga for his sins.I'm not seriou,I'm vooke 8)Right: Ngunjiri is within his constitutional rights but Kisii voters are not, yes? :D Who has gotten in the way of his exercising them? Perhaps you should direct your complaint at Uhuru who is busy interfering with Ngunjiri's constitutional rights :D
There are well laid out procedures for kicking them out and Jubilee following this is no intimidation or threatening. Threats are withholding Kisii votes should this be followed or even attempted
Concerning your thoughts/views/opinion,I told you they are not the subject so highly irrelevant as are mine which mirror yours 8); what matters is getting in the way of a petitioner within his constitutional right.
My opinions are shared because you suggested something about those opinions which had to be countered.
Right! Voters must NOT withdraw their votes, how dare they? I mean, who do they think those votes belong to: them??? :-XUhunye does not need Kisii 280k to get past the 50% mark, but with the uncertain turnout on 17th,he needs every vote. That is what compelled him to best a hasty retreat.
Some would be excused for seeing it for what it is. Good cop, bad cop routine in the service of intimidation.
Kisii threats are what intimidation is all about and I ain't surprised you can't see that
Uhunye does not need Kisii 280k to get past the 50% mark, but with the uncertain turnout on 17th,he needs every vote. That is what compelled him to best a hasty retreat.
Some would be excused for seeing it for what it is. Good cop, bad cop routine in the service of intimidation.
Kisii threats are what intimidation is all about and I ain't surprised you can't see that
Kisii threats won, Uhunye lostUhunye does not need Kisii 280k to get past the 50% mark, but with the uncertain turnout on 17th,he needs every vote. That is what compelled him to best a hasty retreat.
Some would be excused for seeing it for what it is. Good cop, bad cop routine in the service of intimidation.
Kisii threats are what intimidation is all about and I ain't surprised you can't see that
You are gonna twist yourself into a pretzel defending kamwana.
President @UKenyatta asks MP Ngunjiri to withdraw CJ Maraga petition. pic.twitter.com/Bm0DjWP3Ty
— Amb. Manoah Esipisu EBS (@MEsipisu) September 15, 2017
Some would be excused for seeing it for what it is. Good cop, bad cop routine in the service of intimidation.
If he really believed that the judge should be removed then he should tell Ouru to go to hell. You cannot have democracy and all its ideals when the president controls all his MP's. Ouru most likely told his poodle to file the case and then when it becomes embarrassing, he orders him to withdraw the case and he want credit for it.Party interests first. What part of that is too hard for you to comprehend?
Some would be excused for seeing it for what it is. Good cop, bad cop routine in the service of intimidation.
I stand by the grievances in the #MaragaPetition but due to the current political environment I will not pursue it, for now.
— Hon Ngunjiri Wambugu CBS (@ngunjiriwambugu) September 15, 2017
Which ones are these? You mean like how he has been indoctrinated in the church of NGO and needs to be deprogrammed? :D Or how he forced Ibrahim to get admitted in hosi just when he was most needed? :D And then how he gave a bad eye to other judges to make them agree to his ideas even though they disagreed? :D Or maybe it was Lenaola's sins and not Maraga's...like displaying an unwelcoming attitude to dinner guests Grand Mullah and friends on 31st August? :DThey are within their rights to deny Uhunye votes for entertaining the very thought of kicking out Maraga for his sins.I'm not seriou,I'm vooke 8)Right: Ngunjiri is within his constitutional rights but Kisii voters are not, yes? :D Who has gotten in the way of his exercising them? Perhaps you should direct your complaint at Uhuru who is busy interfering with Ngunjiri's constitutional rights :D
There are well laid out procedures for kicking them out and Jubilee following this is no intimidation or threatening. Threats are withholding Kisii votes should this be followed or even attempted
Concerning your thoughts/views/opinion,I told you they are not the subject so highly irrelevant as are mine which mirror yours 8); what matters is getting in the way of a petitioner within his constitutional right.
My opinions are shared because you suggested something about those opinions which had to be countered.
We will never know because Kisiis have bullied Uhunye and he has backed down.Which ones are these? You mean like how he has been indoctrinated in the church of NGO and needs to be deprogrammed? :D Or how he forced Ibrahim to get admitted in hosi just when he was most needed? :D And then how he gave a bad eye to other judges to make them agree to his ideas even though they disagreed? :D Or maybe it was Lenaola's sins and not Maraga's...like displaying an unwelcoming attitude to dinner guests Grand Mullah and friends on 31st August? :DThey are within their rights to deny Uhunye votes for entertaining the very thought of kicking out Maraga for his sins.I'm not seriou,I'm vooke 8)Right: Ngunjiri is within his constitutional rights but Kisii voters are not, yes? :D Who has gotten in the way of his exercising them? Perhaps you should direct your complaint at Uhuru who is busy interfering with Ngunjiri's constitutional rights :D
There are well laid out procedures for kicking them out and Jubilee following this is no intimidation or threatening. Threats are withholding Kisii votes should this be followed or even attempted
Concerning your thoughts/views/opinion,I told you they are not the subject so highly irrelevant as are mine which mirror yours 8); what matters is getting in the way of a petitioner within his constitutional right.
My opinions are shared because you suggested something about those opinions which had to be countered.