Chiloba speaks

[RV Pundit]

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[GeeMail]

The interview is quite empty on the most crucial questions. For example, how was IEBC able to declare a winner with so many returns missing? What was feeding the screen they were using to declare results? Why did IEBC refuse to comply with court orders to open the servers? What happens to ballots a voter gets and they only vote for president? (This is the Justice Philomena Mwilu question IEBC advocates could not answer in court. Can the IEBC CEO answer now?) Is he saying because 2013 results had clerical errors and missing forms we should always accept that as normal? Is he saying IEBC was not aware general elections was a massive undertaking?

[RV Pundit]

You don't need all form 34a if you have form 34B - which are equally final. The rest of the issues have been canvassed severally.

The interview is quite empty on the most crucial questions. For example, how was IEBC able to declare a winner with so many returns missing? What was feeding the screen they were using to declare results? Why did IEBC refuse to comply with court orders to open the servers? What happens to ballots a voter gets and they only vote for president? (This is the Justice Philomena Mwilu question IEBC advocates could not answer in court. Can the IEBC CEO answer now?) Is he saying because 2013 results had clerical errors and missing forms we should always accept that as normal? Is he saying IEBC was not aware general elections was a massive undertaking?

[RV Pundit]

He said that the reason why some forms never had the required security features was due to small errors officers made on the ground, one being the destruction of some because of improper placement in the printer.

He also stated that it was because of this reason that some officers had to fill the results on an ordinary piece of paper.

[GeeMail]

Canvassed severally where? So why did SCOK invalidate Uhuru's election?

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

The interview is quite empty on the most crucial questions. For example, how was IEBC able to declare a winner with so many returns missing? What was feeding the screen they were using to declare results? Why did IEBC refuse to comply with court orders to open the servers? What happens to ballots a voter gets and they only vote for president? (This is the Justice Philomena Mwilu question IEBC advocates could not answer in court. Can the IEBC CEO answer now?) Is he saying because 2013 results had clerical errors and missing forms we should always accept that as normal? Is he saying IEBC was not aware general elections was a massive undertaking?

I agree.  Those are questions I would have loved to see him answer in real time.  The interviewer seems unserious and is just happy to have Chiloba on the show.  Chiloba basically offloaded his responsibility to the secretariat and the entire IEBC.  Is everyone at the IEBC the CEO?

[Omollo]

Your ignorance is OVERWHELMING. The sad part of it is that you actually believe you are right.

You don't need all form 34a if you have form 34B - which are equally final. The rest of the issues have been canvassed severally.

The interview is quite empty on the most crucial questions. For example, how was IEBC able to declare a winner with so many returns missing? What was feeding the screen they were using to declare results? Why did IEBC refuse to comply with court orders to open the servers? What happens to ballots a voter gets and they only vote for president? (This is the Justice Philomena Mwilu question IEBC advocates could not answer in court. Can the IEBC CEO answer now?) Is he saying because 2013 results had clerical errors and missing forms we should always accept that as normal? Is he saying IEBC was not aware general elections was a massive undertaking?

[Omollo]

That is his explanation. NASA obtained affidavits and copies of the original forms which showed that the new forms contained fraudulent results inflated in respect of Uhuru.

Even assuming you and Chiloba are right, what would distinguish his from others created by forgers and impostors? The Court inquired and IEBC had no answer.

He said that the reason why some forms never had the required security features was due to small errors officers made on the ground, one being the destruction of some because of improper placement in the printer.

He also stated that it was because of this reason that some officers had to fill the results on an ordinary piece of paper.

[RV Pundit]

Omollosque nonsense of course - creating evidence and afffidavits on the go.
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That is his explanation. NASA obtained affidavits and copies of the original forms which showed that the new forms contained fraudulent results inflated in respect of Uhuru.

Even assuming you and Chiloba are right, what would distinguish his from others created by forgers and impostors? The Court inquired and IEBC had no answer.

He said that the reason why some forms never had the required security features was due to small errors officers made on the ground, one being the destruction of some because of improper placement in the printer.

He also stated that it was because of this reason that some officers had to fill the results on an ordinary piece of paper.

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[Omollo]

???

Omollosque nonsense of course - creating evidence and afffidavits on the go.

That is his explanation. NASA obtained affidavits and copies of the original forms which showed that the new forms contained fraudulent results inflated in respect of Uhuru.

Even assuming you and Chiloba are right, what would distinguish his from others created by forgers and impostors? The Court inquired and IEBC had no answer.

He said that the reason why some forms never had the required security features was due to small errors officers made on the ground, one being the destruction of some because of improper placement in the printer.

He also stated that it was because of this reason that some officers had to fill the results on an ordinary piece of paper.

[Omollo]

[Kadudu]

Mr. Minor Errors.
These "minor errors" caused a whole presidential election to be declared null and void. This man must be living in Mars.

[bryan275]

Raphael Tuju is going to jail when the peoples' government is in place. 

[Kichwa]

If Ouru truly believes he won then he should be mad at IEBC who bungled the elections and not the court.  It is clear that Jubilee threatened Chebukati and Akombe to back Chiloba and that is why Chiloba cannot and will not run the October 17th elections.  He needs to pack and leave right now or he will the way Hassan left. His arrogance is evidence that he is being backed by some very powerful people in the government.  I wonder how he got the job in the first place.

[vooke]

If Ouru truly believes he won then he should be mad at IEBC who bungled the elections and not the court.  It is clear that Jubilee threatened Chebukati and Akombe to back Chiloba and that is why Chiloba cannot and will not run the October 17th elections.  He needs to pack and leave right now or he will the way Hassan left. His arrogance is evidence that he is being backed by some very powerful people in the government.  I wonder how he got the job in the first place.

Not necessarily. Jubilee/Uhunye believes IEBC lapses were blown out of proportion by SCOK. They argued as much in court and they maintain that stance to date.

[bryan275]

If Ouru truly believes he won then he should be mad at IEBC who bungled the elections and not the court.  It is clear that Jubilee threatened Chebukati and Akombe to back Chiloba and that is why Chiloba cannot and will not run the October 17th elections.  He needs to pack and leave right now or he will the way Hassan left. His arrogance is evidence that he is being backed by some very powerful people in the government.  I wonder how he got the job in the first place.

Not necessarily. Jubilee/Uhunye believes IEBC lapses were blown out of proportion by SCOK. They argued as much in court and they maintain that stance to date.

Blown out of proportion to the tune of 11k Forms 34A missing for days on end.  I think we all need to be honest with ourselves and to each other in recognising that the missing forms were not just misplaced, but somebody sat in a room and doctored them.  I also expect that the ballot boxes have also been tampered with to match the numbers in the dodgy forms.  Hence the constant call for a re-count.

Massive frud took place, let's not belittle what happened here.

[Kichwa]

Of course they believe the court was wrong, however, you cannot say you accept the courts ruling and then refuse to accept its findings.  The findings are that IEBC engaged in irregularities and illegalities. Those are serious charges and you cannot say you accept the verdict and then insist that the same people who were found culpable should do it again. This is the highest court in the land and its findings are final whether you agree with it or NOT.

If Ouru truly believes he won then he should be mad at IEBC who bungled the elections and not the court.  It is clear that Jubilee threatened Chebukati and Akombe to back Chiloba and that is why Chiloba cannot and will not run the October 17th elections.  He needs to pack and leave right now or he will the way Hassan left. His arrogance is evidence that he is being backed by some very powerful people in the government.  I wonder how he got the job in the first place.

Not necessarily. Jubilee/Uhunye believes IEBC lapses were blown out of proportion by SCOK. They argued as much in court and they maintain that stance to date.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

If Ouru truly believes he won then he should be mad at IEBC who bungled the elections and not the court.  It is clear that Jubilee threatened Chebukati and Akombe to back Chiloba and that is why Chiloba cannot and will not run the October 17th elections.  He needs to pack and leave right now or he will the way Hassan left. His arrogance is evidence that he is being backed by some very powerful people in the government.  I wonder how he got the job in the first place.

Not necessarily. Jubilee/Uhunye believes IEBC lapses were blown out of proportion by SCOK. They argued as much in court and they maintain that stance to date.

And presumably it's true because the jubilant believes it.

[Kadame7]

That is his explanation. NASA obtained affidavits and copies of the original forms which showed that the new forms contained fraudulent results inflated in respect of Uhuru.

Even assuming you and Chiloba are right, what would distinguish his from others created by forgers and impostors? The Court inquired and IEBC had no answer.

He said that the reason why some forms never had the required security features was due to small errors officers made on the ground, one being the destruction of some because of improper placement in the printer.

He also stated that it was because of this reason that some officers had to fill the results on an ordinary piece of paper.

I don't think you have been following the argument. As far as Pundit, vooke and Robina are concerned, these copies of originals showing different figures dont exist because there are no photos of them floating around the web. It doesnt matter that they were presented to the court in the petition. What matters is a photo on the web. Thats all that matters as far as evidence goes. Everything else, even those admited by Chebukati are minor clerical issues here and there....

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

That is his explanation. NASA obtained affidavits and copies of the original forms which showed that the new forms contained fraudulent results inflated in respect of Uhuru.

Even assuming you and Chiloba are right, what would distinguish his from others created by forgers and impostors? The Court inquired and IEBC had no answer.

He said that the reason why some forms never had the required security features was due to small errors officers made on the ground, one being the destruction of some because of improper placement in the printer.

He also stated that it was because of this reason that some officers had to fill the results on an ordinary piece of paper.

I don't think you have been following the argument. As far as Pundit, vooke and Robina are concerned, these copies of originals showing different figures dont exist because there are no photos of them floating around the web. It doesnt matter that they were presented to the court in the petition. What matters is a photo on the web. Thats all that matters as far as evidence goes. Everything else, even those admited by Chebukati are minor clerical issues here and there....

For some of them, what the jubilant believes counts for more than what was presented before the court or that photo on the web.  When the evidence does not fit, they go with the beliefs of their dear ones.

Chiloba said a few shocking things.  Among them the repetition of Paul Muite's explanation of why they could not grant the court ordered access to the server even as he casually explained away why Chirchir had admin access to their file server.  He either really believes there is nothing to fix, or he is a sociopath.