Chiloba speaks

[RV Pundit]

You're becoming Omollosque. Inventing evidence. Chirchir had no admin rights. He together with ALL 8 PRESIDENTIAL AGENTS were given access to ftp to view forms 34s. NASA never presented evidence showing FORM 34s were altered - that would entail presenting the original (copies they got as agents) that contradict the IEBC forms - with or without security.

Bottomline: This election was thrown out just because some ROS made a mess by trying to embed excel tabulation of form 34As onto the form 34Bs while printing them - the content of those forms were never impugned. It's the most stupid decision ever - because the judges never gave IEBC or Jubilee time to rebut their Audit Report. They just got 10 mins to "comment" on it.

On 17th October - we shall find out just how wrong they got this - when Jubilee romp back home again with even wider margin.

For some of them, what the jubilant believes counts for more than what was presented before the court or that photo on the web.  When the evidence does not fit, they go with the beliefs of their dear ones.

Chiloba said a few shocking things.  Among them the repetition of Paul Muite's explanation of why they could not grant the court ordered access to the server even as he casually explained away why Chirchir had admin access to their file server.  He either really believes there is nothing to fix, or he is a sociopath.

[vooke]

Of course they believe the court was wrong, however, you cannot say you accept the courts ruling and then refuse to accept its findings.  The findings are that IEBC engaged in irregularities and illegalities. Those are serious charges and you cannot say you accept the verdict and then insist that the same people who were found culpable should do it again. This is the highest court in the land and its findings are final whether you agree with it or NOT.

Stop being silly.
Babu accepted 2013 decision but has been whining about a stolen election for the past 5yrs

You can abide by the ruling since there is little else you can do and still criticize it as NASWA/CORD has been doing for the last 5yrs. Uhuru is no different. That he is busy campaigning and preparing for the coming election means he has accepted the ruling.

[vooke]

I don't think you have been following the argument. As far as Pundit, vooke and Robina are concerned, these copies of originals showing different figures dont exist because there are no photos of them floating around the web. It doesnt matter that they were presented to the court in the petition. What matters is a photo on the web. Thats all that matters as far as evidence goes. Everything else, even those admited by Chebukati are minor clerical issues here and there....

Blind guide leading blind men.
No such forms were ever presented in court, hosting them on some web server is totally irrelevant to this

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

You're becoming Omollosque. Inventing evidence. Chirchir had no admin rights. He together with ALL 8 PRESIDENTIAL AGENTS were given access to ftp to view forms 34s. NASA never presented evidence showing FORM 34s were altered - that would entail presenting the original (copies they got as agents) that contradict the IEBC forms - with or without security.

Bottomline: This election was thrown out just because some ROS made a mess by trying to embed excel tabulation of form 34As onto the form 34Bs while printing them - the content of those forms were never impugned. It's the most stupid decision ever - because the judges never gave IEBC or Jubilee time to rebut their Audit Report. They just got 10 mins to "comment" on it.

On 17th October - we shall find out just how wrong they got this - when Jubilee romp back home again with even wider margin.

For some of them, what the jubilant believes counts for more than what was presented before the court or that photo on the web.  When the evidence does not fit, they go with the beliefs of their dear ones.

Chiloba said a few shocking things.  Among them the repetition of Paul Muite's explanation of why they could not grant the court ordered access to the server even as he casually explained away why Chirchir had admin access to their file server.  He either really believes there is nothing to fix, or he is a sociopath.

I withdraw the Chirchir admin claim.  He and other party agents had read access.  I thought I had seen admin rights somewhere but don't have the evidence.  Still, the Chiloba explanation for not granting the SCOK server access remains nonsense at best.  At worst it's just a plain lie.  That is my main point. 

That said Omollesque turned out to be closer to the truth than any innocent explanations for the farce that we were fed on the portal. IEBC still has yet to show that the KIEMS kits actually have anything to do what we see on that portal.  Maybe they need a court order for that and a few weeks for the Europeans to wake up from hibernation.

[RV Pundit]

Which results in portal do you reckon was a farce. No evidence has been adduced so far that suggest any of those figures were manipulated. There are errors - as you would expect - that IEBC staff committed - small transcription errors - but so far noboy has yet to come up with evidence showing any FORM 34 A or Text-IN Data or Form 34B were not genuine. The forms had "formatting" issues - Chiloba has explained - that staff had challenges printing the results - they had to prepare an excel & then super-imposed it to original form 34s - and they ended up damaging the original form 34Bs.

In short when anyone find evidence that shows any form 34s was manipulated - kindly share. It would just entail a few NASA agents showing us what was original signed, what was text-in and what eventually showed up as scanned image in IEBC. Not a single evidence of that has been presented.

All the form 34bs that didn't have security features - again thanks to printing mess - were signed by NASA agents - some of them very well known.

That said Omollesque turned out to be closer to the truth than any innocent explanations for the farce that we were fed on the portal. IEBC still has yet to show that the KIEMS kits actually have anything to do what we see on that portal.  Maybe they need a court order for that and a few weeks for the Europeans to wake up from hibernation.

[vooke]

You're becoming Omollosque. Inventing evidence. Chirchir had no admin rights. He together with ALL 8 PRESIDENTIAL AGENTS were given access to ftp to view forms 34s. NASA never presented evidence showing FORM 34s were altered - that would entail presenting the original (copies they got as agents) that contradict the IEBC forms - with or without security.

Bottomline: This election was thrown out just because some ROS made a mess by trying to embed excel tabulation of form 34As onto the form 34Bs while printing them - the content of those forms were never impugned. It's the most stupid decision ever - because the judges never gave IEBC or Jubilee time to rebut their Audit Report. They just got 10 mins to "comment" on it.

On 17th October - we shall find out just how wrong they got this - when Jubilee romp back home again with even wider margin.

For some of them, what the jubilant believes counts for more than what was presented before the court or that photo on the web.  When the evidence does not fit, they go with the beliefs of their dear ones.

Chiloba said a few shocking things.  Among them the repetition of Paul Muite's explanation of why they could not grant the court ordered access to the server even as he casually explained away why Chirchir had admin access to their file server.  He either really believes there is nothing to fix, or he is a sociopath.

I withdraw the Chirchir admin claim.  He and other party agents had read access.  I thought I had seen admin rights somewhere but don't have the evidence.  Still, the Chiloba explanation for not granting the SCOK server access remains nonsense at best.  At worst it's just a plain lie.  That is my main point. 

That said Omollesque turned out to be closer to the truth than any innocent explanations for the farce that we were fed on the portal. IEBC still has yet to show that the KIEMS kits actually have anything to do what we see on that portal.  Maybe they need a court order for that and a few weeks for the Europeans to wake up from hibernation.

The only KIEMS that failed to transmit were the 11K which IEBC had advised days to the election that they needed to move to network areas. The rest of the devices dis exactly what they were meant to do.

Chilobae responded to the memo and Chebukati said they are going through the response before making them public. What you have is a skewed issue of a scathing memo gone public while response remain private. So it's open day for conspiracy theorists. We have this with auditor general where they raise queries which somewhat leak to the public but not responses to them. Afya House  and even NYS saga was largely along these lines.

[Kadame7]

I don't think you have been following the argument. As far as Pundit, vooke and Robina are concerned, these copies of originals showing different figures dont exist because there are no photos of them floating around the web. It doesnt matter that they were presented to the court in the petition. What matters is a photo on the web. Thats all that matters as far as evidence goes. Everything else, even those admited by Chebukati are minor clerical issues here and there....

Blind guide leading blind men.
No such forms were ever presented in court, hosting them on some web server is totally irrelevant to this

I feel sure I read about these agents copies being part of all that documentation presented to the court. Am I misremembering this? It is possible NASA simply decided to focus on IEBC own admitted documents as a matter of strategy especially following lessons frim the 2013 petition. However, since I did not read those docs myself and simply read reports on what waa contained in the thousands of documents that were presented, I will not push the point further.

[RV Pundit]

Hehehe

e and there....
I feel sure I read about these agents copies being part of all that documentation presented to the court. Am I misremembering this? It is possible NASA simply decided to focus on IEBC own admitted documents as a matter of strategy especially following lessons frim the 2013 petition. However, since I did not read those docs myself and simply read reports on what waa contained in the thousands of documents that were presented, I will not push the point further.

[RV Pundit]

I am told KIEMS that failed to transmit- were those that were reliant on TELKOM & Airtel Kenya network. Nothing sinister. Just a supplier or provider failing to meet his end of the bargain.

The only KIEMS that failed to transmit were the 11K which IEBC had advised days to the election that they needed to move to network areas. The rest of the devices dis exactly what they were meant to do.

Chilobae responded to the memo and Chebukati said they are going through the response before making them public. What you have is a skewed issue of a scathing memo gone public while response remain private. So it's open day for conspiracy theorists. We have this with auditor general where they raise queries which somewhat leak to the public but not responses to them. Afya House  and even NYS saga was largely along these lines.

[Kadame7]

Of course they believe the court was wrong, however, you cannot say you accept the courts ruling and then refuse to accept its findings.  The findings are that IEBC engaged in irregularities and illegalities. Those are serious charges and you cannot say you accept the verdict and then insist that the same people who were found culpable should do it again. This is the highest court in the land and its findings are final whether you agree with it or NOT.

Stop being silly.
Babu accepted 2013 decision but has been whining about a stolen election for the past 5yrs

You can abide by the ruling since there is little else you can do and still criticize it as NASWA/CORD has been doing for the last 5yrs. Uhuru is no different. That he is busy campaigning and preparing for the coming election means he has accepted the ruling.

Where was the push to remove Mutunga and company from office following their ruling without a full judgment in 2013? Complete with a you-will-see-us finger-wagging? That's the part I seem to miss in all these false equivalencies where criticisms of judgments = direct threats to judges.

[Kadame7]

Hehehe

e and there....
I feel sure I read about these agents copies being part of all that documentation presented to the court. Am I misremembering this? It is possible NASA simply decided to focus on IEBC own admitted documents as a matter of strategy especially following lessons frim the 2013 petition. However, since I did not read those docs myself and simply read reports on what waa contained in the thousands of documents that were presented, I will not push the point further.

Boss, just keeping it honest. I read somewhere about 5000 or so agents copies being presented in the petition but I have not seen anyone argue about them in the videos. If thats true, then it may have been a strategic decision to simply concentrate on the errors in the admited forms. If my memory is faulty then thats ok too. I have lots of faith in my memory but Im not infallible.

[RV Pundit]

It definitely faulty because this evidence we've been looking for and haven't seen it. I don't think there is a more powerful evidence of rigging than this. Obviously there was no rigging - so NASA went for processes laps and gaps - and the foolish Magara and his gang of four - bought it hook, line and sinker. The legal world is waiting for the earth shattering full judgement.

If my memory is faulty then thats ok too.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Which results in portal do you reckon was a farce. No evidence has been adduced so far that suggest any of those figures were manipulated. There are errors - as you would expect - that IEBC staff committed - small transcription errors - but so far noboy has yet to come up with evidence showing any FORM 34 A or Text-IN Data or Form 34B were not genuine. The forms had "formatting" issues - Chiloba has explained - that staff had challenges printing the results - they had to prepare an excel & then super-imposed it to original form 34s - and they ended up damaging the original form 34Bs.

In short when anyone find evidence that shows any form 34s was manipulated - kindly share. It would just entail a few NASA agents showing us what was original signed, what was text-in and what eventually showed up as scanned image in IEBC. Not a single evidence of that has been presented.

All the form 34bs that didn't have security features - again thanks to printing mess - were signed by NASA agents - some of them very well known.

That said Omollesque turned out to be closer to the truth than any innocent explanations for the farce that we were fed on the portal. IEBC still has yet to show that the KIEMS kits actually have anything to do what we see on that portal.  Maybe they need a court order for that and a few weeks for the Europeans to wake up from hibernation.

That is not my point.  Even if it's debatable. 

The actual point is that there is not one record of transmission with polling station, KIEMS kitidentification, location and time stamp associated with the information on the portal that IEBC has shared.  Just 1 out of 40,883.  I don't know why, but the reason for that cannot be a good one.

This is information, that just by itself, would go some ways in debunking claims that these are figures entered fraudulently into the system.  Without that information, you cannot even start to debunk the claim that none of that data was entered at the polling stations.

[Kadame7]

It definitely faulty because this evidence we've been looking for and haven't seen it.

If my memory is faulty then thats ok too.

Sawasawa. Im sure I read this somewhere. I will look for that report somewhere for as fallible as my memory is, it's not that creative.

[vooke]

Of course they believe the court was wrong, however, you cannot say you accept the courts ruling and then refuse to accept its findings.  The findings are that IEBC engaged in irregularities and illegalities. Those are serious charges and you cannot say you accept the verdict and then insist that the same people who were found culpable should do it again. This is the highest court in the land and its findings are final whether you agree with it or NOT.

Stop being silly.
Babu accepted 2013 decision but has been whining about a stolen election for the past 5yrs

You can abide by the ruling since there is little else you can do and still criticize it as NASWA/CORD has been doing for the last 5yrs. Uhuru is no different. That he is busy campaigning and preparing for the coming election means he has accepted the ruling.

Where was the push to remove Mutunga and company from office following their ruling without a full judgment in 2013? Complete with a you-will-see-us finger-wagging? That's the part I seem to miss in all these false equivalencies where criticisms of judgments = direct threats to judges.

But threats have nothing to do with criticizing a judgement.

For one Babu was out of government so his options were terribly limited. Then he was outnumbered in parliament.

Fact,and point,remains that Babu accepted and criticized a SCOK decision FOR YEARS  yet his number one fan can't reconcile Uhunye accepting and criticizing a SCOK decision FOR 2 WEEKS

[Kadame7]

It definitely faulty because this evidence we've been looking for and haven't seen it. I don't think there is a more powerful evidence of rigging than this. Obviously there was no rigging - so NASA went for processes laps and gaps - and the foolish Magara and his gang of four - bought it hook, line and sinker. The legal world is waiting for the earth shattering full judgement.

If my memory is faulty then thats ok too.

The legal world understands the law. Its politicians and other non lawyers who think the judges are somewhere somehow struggling to write a reasoned judgment.

[vooke]

It definitely faulty because this evidence we've been looking for and haven't seen it. I don't think there is a more powerful evidence of rigging than this. Obviously there was no rigging - so NASA went for processes laps and gaps - and the foolish Magara and his gang of four - bought it hook, line and sinker. The legal world is waiting for the earth shattering full judgement.

If my memory is faulty then thats ok too.

The legal world understands the law. Its politicians and other non lawyers who think the judges are somewhere somehow struggling to write a reasoned judgment.

But this was not the case in 2013 where losers and all their supporters criticized a judgement. Ok

[RV Pundit]

I see you invent a new standard and you want IEBC to retro-actively fulfill them. There is a lot of ways to verify what was sent via KIMS. Obviously server logs would have such data if it was configured to have them. Still even in pre-tech era - elections were verifiable - by agents signatures - pictures people took when results were pinned on the world.

That is not my point.  Even if it's debatable. 

The actual point is that there is not one record of transmission with polling station, KIEMS kitidentification, location and time stamp associated with the information on the portal that IEBC has shared.  Just 1 out of 40,883.  I don't know why, but the reason for that cannot be a good one.

This is information, that just by itself, would go some ways in debunking claims that these are figures entered fraudulently into the system.  Without that information, you cannot even start to debunk the claim that none of that data was entered at the polling stations.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Of course they believe the court was wrong, however, you cannot say you accept the courts ruling and then refuse to accept its findings.  The findings are that IEBC engaged in irregularities and illegalities. Those are serious charges and you cannot say you accept the verdict and then insist that the same people who were found culpable should do it again. This is the highest court in the land and its findings are final whether you agree with it or NOT.

Stop being silly.
Babu accepted 2013 decision but has been whining about a stolen election for the past 5yrs

You can abide by the ruling since there is little else you can do and still criticize it as NASWA/CORD has been doing for the last 5yrs. Uhuru is no different. That he is busy campaigning and preparing for the coming election means he has accepted the ruling.

Where was the push to remove Mutunga and company from office following their ruling without a full judgment in 2013? Complete with a you-will-see-us finger-wagging? That's the part I seem to miss in all these false equivalencies where criticisms of judgments = direct threats to judges.

But threats have nothing to do with criticizing a judgement.

For one Babu was out of government so his options were terribly limited. Then he was outnumbered in parliament.

Fact,and point,remains that Babu accepted and criticized a SCOK decision yet his number one fan can't reconcile Uhunye accepting and criticizing a SCOK decision.

This must be the b ... bu .... but NASA did it too argument in support of intimidation of indendepent judges.

[vooke]

Of course they believe the court was wrong, however, you cannot say you accept the courts ruling and then refuse to accept its findings.  The findings are that IEBC engaged in irregularities and illegalities. Those are serious charges and you cannot say you accept the verdict and then insist that the same people who were found culpable should do it again. This is the highest court in the land and its findings are final whether you agree with it or NOT.

Stop being silly.
Babu accepted 2013 decision but has been whining about a stolen election for the past 5yrs

You can abide by the ruling since there is little else you can do and still criticize it as NASWA/CORD has been doing for the last 5yrs. Uhuru is no different. That he is busy campaigning and preparing for the coming election means he has accepted the ruling.

Where was the push to remove Mutunga and company from office following their ruling without a full judgment in 2013? Complete with a you-will-see-us finger-wagging? That's the part I seem to miss in all these false equivalencies where criticisms of judgments = direct threats to judges.

But threats have nothing to do with criticizing a judgement.

For one Babu was out of government so his options were terribly limited. Then he was outnumbered in parliament.

Fact,and point,remains that Babu accepted and criticized a SCOK decision yet his number one fan can't reconcile Uhunye accepting and criticizing a SCOK decision.

This must be the b ... bu .... but NASA did it too argument in support of intimidation of indendepent judges.

H...hy.....hypocrisy