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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Ole Ole on September 19, 2014, 06:54:51 AM
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Please tell me this is a joke, Uhuru is outsourcing rural electrification to a musician only heavens know what
will come out of this but it has doom written over it.....Akon Naija manager must be laughing all the way to the bank
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Senegalese singer, Akon has committed to light up Kibera slums as part of a major government led transformation of the slum to a modern neighbourhood.
Akon made the promise during a meeting with President Uhuru Kenyatta at State House Nairobi on Thursday. Akon trip to Kenya is a follow up of another meeting in Washington DC during the US-Africa Summit in August.
Akon met with Energy CS Davis Chirchir, Kenya Power MD Ben Chumo, President's Private Secretary Jomo Gecaga and Rural Electrification CEO and agreed on specifics for implementation that with be carried by Akon Light Africa Project.
Akon will also participate in the rural electrification process and will hold another meeting with Rural Electrification Authority to finalize on specifics.
Other initiatives to transform Kibera include one led by Devolution CS Anne Waiguru through the NYS and another to reconstruct all Roads in Kibera spearheaded by Roads CS Michael Kamau.
Lands and Housing CS Charity Ngilu will also start the Modern housing programme for Kibera.
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Akon? As in the "n" singer? He swears a lot in his music about being locked up etc. this is very irresponsible.
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Biggest ripoff of our time. If you read the book confession of the economic hit man, one of the major item that these guys would pimp to presidents
is electrification and how this would transform an area or country. In this one i see uhuru hands and some shadow company set up to rip off kenyan taxpayer. Btwn akon manager is a naija based in ATL well versed in that game. Uhuru thinks Akon will entice america musician to come donate or invest in kenya.................how many electrification project has Akon under taken in Senegal or America? If uhuru want to give Akon something to do maybe he can pay him to sing praise to uhuru or jubilee government.......stima ina wenyewe
Akon? As in the "n" singer? He swears a lot in his music about being locked up etc. this is very irresponsible.
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Kibera is already electrified by gangs charging the fee.
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i thought Jubilee manifesto specifically stated that they were going to create slumlords millionaires by subdividing slum land and issuing title deeds so the owners can take loans and build slum scrappers? where did this idea of bringing in rappers to upgrade slums come from?
Kibera is already electrified by gangs charging the fee.
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Who's that little loud mouth? Forgot his name but the one who dresses like trash to parliament. I wonder if he was behind. Uhuru must think Kenya's a joke.
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Yes before they realized they were little men without any greatest bestowed upon them to take on such courageous project that won't involve them eating...so now we are bootstrapping with rappers proceeds.
This is when Uhuru executive order would be more effective.
i thought Jubilee manifesto specifically stated that they were going to create slumlords millionaires by subdividing slum land and issuing title deeds so the owners can take loans and build slum scrappers? where did this idea of bringing in rappers to upgrade slums come from?
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That's NOT rapper proceeds. A "charity" can't cover a project of that scale. That's a cover for something else. It needs to be investigated.
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This deal was sealed after they shared a major msokoto... hapo hapo state house
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To end a "slum" is simple. Let me over-simplify:
1. Construct a modern sewage and drainage system covering every inch of the slum;
2. Allow people to connect to it for free;
3. Construct a modern road network;
4. Network stepped down electricity in the entire area
5. Whatever you do, start with a water system. It is best if the water is "free" and reliable
The slum then dies slowly of "natural causes". Houses are renewed and others demolished and modern ones put up by the owners.
Catch: If you fail to extend cleansing, (people centred) security, and maintenance services, all the above will go to waste. I would recommend buying street cleaning machines which would keep the roads open.
All the other things are just meant to MAINTAIN the slum.
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Ole Ole: Be open minded. We've tried many sources to upgrade Slums. One mainstream, well connected was the former MP of Kibera. He couldn't even build a choo. Let's try new sourcing.
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Ole Ole: Be open minded. We've tried many sources to upgrade Slums. One mainstream, well connected was the former MP of Kibera. He couldn't even build a choo. Let's try new sourcing.
Are you sure you are not buying in to Jubilee and KI propaganda? How many choos are in the housing scheme Raila started?
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Won't work. Nobody will invest money without the security of a title deed.That to me is the bottomline. You can sink millions to build a flat but gov can demolish it or gangs can take over it.
The way forward is to allocate sectional titles to Kibera residents....so one plot can have 100 families...in shares..they can then flip those shares or jointly build.
To end a "slum" is simple. Let me over-simplify:
1. Construct a modern sewage and drainage system covering every inch of the slum;
2. Allow people to connect to it for free;
3. Construct a modern road network;
4. Network stepped down electricity in the entire area
5. Whatever you do, start with a water system. It is best if the water is "free" and reliable
The slum then dies slowly of "natural causes". Houses are renewed and others demolished and modern ones put up by the owners.
Catch: If you fail to extend cleansing, (people centred) security, and maintenance services, all the above will go to waste. I would recommend buying street cleaning machines which would keep the roads open.
All the other things are just meant to MAINTAIN the slum.
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Omollo: Haiya!, you have short memory lol. That's Baba Jimmy's project
Ole Ole: Be open minded. We've tried many sources to upgrade Slums. One mainstream, well connected was the former MP of Kibera. He couldn't even build a choo. Let's try new sourcing.
Are you sure you are not buying in to Jubilee and KI propaganda? How many choos are in the housing scheme Raila started?
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Won't work. Nobody will invest money without the security of a title deed.That to me is the bottomline. You can sink millions to build a flat but gov can demolish it or gangs can take over it.
The way forward is to allocate sectional titles to Kibera residents....so one plot can have 100 families...in shares..they can then flip those shares or jointly build.
Individuals and private people don't invest in public infrastructure that frequently - not that it hasn't been done or cannot be done. My unstated target is of course the National and County governments. The county Government can extend the sewage and Drainage system to Kibera slums, just like they have done in parts of the same area from Karanja Road to Adams.
Once that is done, the titles you speak of will be more attractive than Kengen share IPO
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Omollo: Haiya!, you have short memory lol. That's Baba Jimmy's project
Please try to be objective for your own credibility, that's all I am asking. Repeating those jingoist statements meant to promote hate by pillorying a person is not very helpful. I get where you are going and have to pass.
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In the years Jakuon Mohammed presided as King of Kibera, what did he accomplish? Usilie machozi wakati kazi inafanyika. The people of Kibera must continue to suffer at whatever cost for Jakuon to maintain his perpetual stranglehold on them. This is a multi-nation charity initiative, Jaconists are indeed a special breed, to reject anything, even that which is free or subsidised, that does not come from their goD
Please tell me this is a joke, Uhuru is outsourcing rural electrification to a musician only heavens know what
will come out of this but it has doom written over it.....Akon Naija manager must be laughing all the way to the bank
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RVP/Omollo: Both your points are valid to some extent. changing these ghettos will require collaborative effort between government and private initiative. Places like Kibera and other slums located on very prime real estate can be candidates to mega urban renewal projects.
Won't work. Nobody will invest money without the security of a title deed.That to me is the bottomline. You can sink millions to build a flat but gov can demolish it or gangs can take over it.
The way forward is to allocate sectional titles to Kibera residents....so one plot can have 100 families...in shares..they can then flip those shares or jointly build.
Individuals and private people don't invest in public infrastructure that frequently - not that it hasn't been done or cannot be done. My unstated target is of course the National and County governments. The county Government can extend the sewage and Drainage system to Kibera slums, just like they have done in parts of the same area from Karanja Road to Adams.
Once that is done, the titles you speak of will be more attractive than Kengen share IPO
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We are on the same page. Gov should of course invest in public infrastructure but that will not eliminate the minimal investment (cartoons and ironsheet) from the individual slum holders. Kibera has water, electricity and somewhat good roads given there is barely space to walk with legs. What is needed and which won't cost gov a dime...is to issue title deed to all slum resident owning structures...they will probably kill each other in allotment...but it has to be done.
Rural slum resident (landless) are being given land every yr.
Urban slums resident are not. Ngilu should issue title deed to Kibera residences..randomly..and in few yrs..there will be no slum there.
Individuals and private people don't invest in public infrastructure that frequently - not that it hasn't been done or cannot be done. My unstated target is of course the National and County governments. The county Government can extend the sewage and Drainage system to Kibera slums, just like they have done in parts of the same area from Karanja Road to Adams.
Once that is done, the titles you speak of will be more attractive than Kengen share IPO
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We are on the same page. Gov should of course invest in public infrastructure but that will not eliminate the minimal investment (cartoons and ironsheet) from the individual slum holders. Kibera has water, electricity and somewhat good roads given there is barely space to walk with legs. What is needed and which won't cost gov a dime...is to issue title deed to all slum resident owning structures...they will probably kill each other in allotment...but it has to be done.
Rural slum resident (landless) are being given land every yr.
Urban slums resident are not. Ngilu should issue title deed to Kibera residences..randomly..and in few yrs..there will be no slum there.
1. The Irons sheets are not to be interfered with. They disappear on their own;
2. The mistake made is to imagine one can put up high quality houses in a slum and they would be any different. If you look at the architectural history of Kibera, it has been "improving" with time without ever ceasing to be a slum. Form grass thatched houses to mabati and now bricks and blocks. Yet it remains a slum.
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Omollo what you do not get is..where will you lay sewers, roads, electricity? The land need to surveyed and tiled..with portions removed for roads,sewer and wayleaves.
So the first step is to for gov to give up the land. Right now it gov land...grabbed by citizens.
The gov will then decide who to issue the title to the land....i would suggest they give it to all slum dwellers...and after that move in and erect peacons....
And then start building the roads and the sewers...
1. The Irons sheets are not to be interfered with. They disappear on their own;
2. The mistake made is to imagine one can put up high quality houses in a slum and they would be any different. If you look at the architectural history of Kibera, it has been "improving" with time without ever ceasing to be a slum. Form grass thatched houses to mabati and now bricks and blocks. Yet it remains a slum.
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Omollo what you do not get is..where will you lay sewers, roads, electricity? The land need to surveyed and tiled..with portions removed for roads,sewer and wayleaves.
So the first step is to for gov to give up the land. Right now it gov land...grabbed by citizens.
The gov will then decide who to issue the title to the land....i would suggest they give it to all slum dwellers...and after that move in and erect peacons....
And then start building the roads and the sewers...
Actually Pundit, the roads are well marked out and planned for the entire Nairobi. That is the tricky part. You need the political will power to force those roads through.
Stage one is sensitization where you call all those affected or to be affected to meetings and impress on them the need for the roads. Stage two is to let the politicians and other busy bodies know all this (above) plus that there is no option to it
Stage Three is to swing in to action with or without their support and construct the infrastructure.
It is NOT easy and will never be easy. There will be opposition from NGOs and politicians. But you move on and do it and that fizzles. You know estates like Umoja etc were only put up after bulldozers went in to clear the shanties. That is archaic.
Surveying land and issuing titles can go on now or later. It wont stop you. There are roads and other amenities in areas that have no titles issued. The Key is using city physical planning maps that clearly show the room for the said infrastructure.
Note that a place like Kayole has ALL the roads tarmacked. The only problem is that they are all under mud. Why? because failure to use modern methods of street cleaning and to maintain the drainage.
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Who owns the Kibera land? Govt?
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Good ideas.
Public involvement to reduce corruption.
Omollo what you do not get is..where will you lay sewers, roads, electricity? The land need to surveyed and tiled..with portions removed for roads,sewer and wayleaves.
So the first step is to for gov to give up the land. Right now it gov land...grabbed by citizens.
The gov will then decide who to issue the title to the land....i would suggest they give it to all slum dwellers...and after that move in and erect peacons....
And then start building the roads and the sewers...
Actually Pundit, the roads are well marked out and planned for the entire Nairobi. That is the tricky part. You need the political will power to force those roads through.
Stage one is sensitization where you call all those affected or to be affected to meetings and impress on them the need for the roads. Stage two is to let the politicians and other busy bodies know all this (above) plus that there is no option to it
Stage Three is to swing in to action with or without their support and construct the infrastructure.
It is NOT easy and will never be easy. There will be opposition from NGOs and politicians. But you move on and do it and that fizzles. You know estates like Umoja etc were only put up after bulldozers went in to clear the shanties. That is archaic.
Surveying land and issuing titles can go on now or later. It wont stop you. There are roads and other amenities in areas that have no titles issued. The Key is using city physical planning maps that clearly show the room for the said infrastructure.
Note that a place like Kayole has ALL the roads tarmacked. The only problem is that they are all under mud. Why? because failure to use modern methods of street cleaning and to maintain the drainage.
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Who owns the Kibera land? Govt?
For now I believe it is GoK or Nairobi County. I have no idea. But the infrastructure has been planned for many years ago.
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Pundit
Kidero can build soviet style high rises and rent them to the current tenants. Am sure they pay rent. Land will belong to county. Or even better contract a private developer lease the land and build apts at a min fee.
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You guys are kidding..Akon is from Senegalese background...
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Akon was born in St. Louis, and spent much of his childhood in the West African country Senegal, which he describes as his "hometown".
Senegal is poorer than kenya.
Now, tell me why this guy would come and do charity work for kenyans while his people are suffering in poverty?
Something is very wrong with this picture. :D
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The thug forgot to bring along his fellow hoodrat Young Jeezy. You judge a person by the company they keep.