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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on September 06, 2016, 02:24:21 PM
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Jubilee ran a tight ship in 2013 despite ICC hanging over their heads - now exactly 1yr to 2017 - they've began what will certainly obliterate CORD. Meanwhile CORD are still in shambles and as disorganized as ever. Jubilee in my rough MOAS are going to score 60% with combined opposition languishing in 40%.
(http://www.the-star.co.ke/sites/default/files/styles/new_full_content/public/articles/2016/09/05/1415013_1.jpg?itok=9DA9wJgy)
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2016/09/05/video-jubilee-party-opens-lavish-nerve-centre-in-pangani-buys-47_c1414949
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Kanu used to own KCC. The reason why CORD cannot be obliterated is because of factors that money cannot buy. In any given democratic political ecosystem, there will always be enough room for more than one political grouping. The reason why we had Kanu domination was not because of its unlimited resources but because of its draconian undemocratic methods such as political assassinations, Detention without trial, economic marginalization, etc. A political party will always have a limitation in capacity and therefore no matter how shinning their headquarters may look, they will not be able to absorb/swallow the entire political free thinking people into Jubilee. After Jubilee has absorbed all its natural constituents, there will be enough people left to mount a very competitive run for the presidency. Some people actually are repelled with the opulence of these thieves.
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Eurobond money was just too much
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Eurobond money was just too much
Yup.
(http://i.imgur.com/4oXLlr3.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/JpToOo3.jpg)
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Eurobond money was just too much
Yup.
(http://i.imgur.com/4oXLlr3.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/JpToOo3.jpg)
It would be nice to know where the money is coming from, be we don't like nice things do we?
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It would be nice to know where the money is coming from, be we don't like nice things do we?
True. :D
(http://i.imgur.com/uEtLtak.jpg)
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How is this good for KENYA?
Jubilee ran a tight ship in 2013 despite ICC hanging over their heads - now exactly 1yr to 2017 - they've began what will certainly obliterate CORD. Meanwhile CORD are still in shambles and as disorganized as ever. Jubilee in my rough MOAS are going to score 60% with combined opposition languishing in 40%.
(http://www.the-star.co.ke/sites/default/files/styles/new_full_content/public/articles/2016/09/05/1415013_1.jpg?itok=9DA9wJgy)
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2016/09/05/video-jubilee-party-opens-lavish-nerve-centre-in-pangani-buys-47_c1414949
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Jubilee is far better than CORD organization wise. CORD is really doing Kenya a disservice by not stepping up. What I predict is cracks in Jubilee post-2017 due to monolith structure. Ruto should be careful, makeup does not last.
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In Kenya, show off will take you to places, even when you're broke. Many Kenyans want to "keep up with the Joneses" so they borrow till they can't anymore. Where did Jubilee get all these monies? Anyone even care to ask? But they will be elected even if they leave the country BROKE.
Jubilee is far better than CORD organization wise. CORD is really doing Kenya a disservice by not stepping up. What I predict is cracks in Jubilee post-2017 due to monolith structure. Ruto should be careful, makeup does not last.
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I think you got me: this works great for 2017, not so much for 2022. I could be wrong. CORD must do its job and finger the elephant or ship out.
In Kenya, show off will take you to places, even when you're broke. Many Kenyans want to "keep up with the Joneses" so they borrow till they can't anymore. Where did Jubilee get all these monies? Anyone even care to ask? But they will be elected even if they leave the country BROKE.
Jubilee is far better than CORD organization wise. CORD is really doing Kenya a disservice by not stepping up. What I predict is cracks in Jubilee post-2017 due to monolith structure. Ruto should be careful, makeup does not last.
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Meantime Ruto still has a toothache.
Blow to DP Ruto after 500 URP delegates decamp to CCM
http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/Blow-to-DP-Ruto-after-500-URP-delegates-decamp-to-CCM/1107872-3369242-tp1gwrz/ (http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/Blow-to-DP-Ruto-after-500-URP-delegates-decamp-to-CCM/1107872-3369242-tp1gwrz/)
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Ruto really knows how to network... compared to Raila's noises. He has a PORK-in-waiting's confidence. I hope the bowing will end after the crowning :D
William Ruto angry at media for ignoring TICAD
http://zipo.co.ke/9179/william-ruto-angry-media-ignoring-ticad/ (http://zipo.co.ke/9179/william-ruto-angry-media-ignoring-ticad/)
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Those who are predisposed to be impressed will be impressed and those who are not will not be impressed. That's my point. They will not impress everybody with their opulence. There will be enough unimpressed Kenyans left to mount a very competitive presidential election so long as the polls are free and fair. There is a point where lavish expenditure in elections starts to have diminishing and even negative returns.
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Raila had all this advantages going into 2013 but made a mess out of it. He had backing of many tycoons around including foreign gov and yet they still couldn't match UhuRuto mean machine. Now in 2017 with the added advantage of incumbency; CORD will be blown to smitheren. I see nearly half of CORD mps and governors are already defecting or running for the hills.
As for 2022...the only vote Ruto need is Uhuru...the rest will Ruto has already won. If Uhuru is committed to Ruto presidency and I don't see why he isn't...then it will be a walk in the park.
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It will be tall order for Uhuru to defend his seat,the starategy of buying opposition mps is not bearing fruits,they are not moving with people.
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First Uhuru is doing this to move from 50% to 65% - it the icing on the cake. He already has the cake - he won 50% with majority in parliament.
Secondly, how do you know that their people are not moving with them? Changing political tide of a region is not easy; Granted; Jubilee has been on this for 4yrs now; first it begin with mps/governors meeting with Jubilee in secret; then denying it; then it goes public; then they make it official and claim to be starting own party; then now they are joining Jubilee.Mps and governors moving to Jubilee are not fools to jump in with both legs if they haven't tested the ground. You don't see a lot of Mps in Luo Nyanza moving to Jubilee - Rege & Dalmas -maybe the exception -in other areas - CORD is dead as dodo.
CORD need to show the few remaining non-luo mps - a winning formulae - without that - why would somebody vote to join opposition.
It will be tall order for Uhuru to defend his seat,the starategy of buying opposition mps is not bearing fruits,they are not moving with people.
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Can we also say that Issac Ruto will move with his peolple????????
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He is supporting Uhuru for PORK just like Munya's PNU and Moi's KANU. So in the end nothing moves. I am not sure if there is anyone crossing over to CORD anytime soon.The day Isaac say he is supporting Raila - his support will move from 20% to 1%.
Can we also say that Issac Ruto will move with his peolple????????
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How about like of Ababu,Mwahima,Waluke,Mungaros
Ababu Namwamba's much-hyped third political force suffered a setback when two MPs abandoned him for other political outfits.
Source close to the Budalang'i MP said his political activities slowed down following moves by Sirisia MP John Waluke and his Funyula counter part Paul Otuoma.
It had been said the three of them were behind the 'mulembe consciousness' movement aimed at uniting Western residents and securing their place in politics.
Waluke said he had officially crossed over to the ruling coalition ahead of Jubilee Party's launch, for his people's benefit.
The MP, who was ODM's only legislator in Bungoma, had resigned from his position as the party's chairman for the county.
"My constituency has been marginalised by former regimes and my people are still living in abject poverty," he said on Tuesday.
"I am officially joining and will next year vie on a Jubille Party ticket which is a very democratic party so that my people can benefit."
He spoke at Kibeu Primary School during the disbursement of Sh57 million National Government Constituency Development Fund.
The MP is among several Cord politicians who will attend Jubilee Party's official launch at Safaricom Stadium Kasarani, Nairobi, on Saturday.
Read: Kenyans will not eat Jubilee's PR, says Raila
Waluke criticised ODM leader Raila Odinga saying his tour of Western region was inconsequential and would not help him secure votes.
"Odinga should concentrate on areas like Rift Valley and Central where he has less votes. Why should he be roaming in Kakamega and Busia counties alone? Those areas have been taken by Jubilee... let him forget them," he said.
Regarding development, the MP cited the opening of the Sh600 million Chesikaki-Sirisia water project and the tarmacking of Chwele-Sirisia-Lwakhakha road.
He said Sirisia residents had not benefited from road construction projects since independence.
Also read: ODM plans 'major declaration' at 10th anniversary rally in Mombasa, parallel to Jubilee's
Otuoma resigned from his ODM position alongside Ababu but said earlier in the week that he had never been part of the former secretary general's team.
He said he was still a member of the party and would make efforts for Luhyas' needs to be addressed in a structured manner.
Otuoma called for unity among the Luhya and said he would ensure the community has a place in politics.
"The Luhya must not be blinded from obvious truths," he said, adding the people must be visionary.
"You cannot leave your home and have no plan. There must be a plan. There must be a structure."
Ababu and Otuoma, who was ODM vice chairman, resigned saying they had been shortchanged and disrespected by the party.
Speculation has been rife on the MP's plans amid claims he was a Jubilee
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Where Jubilee will for sure gain ground on CORD is 1) Northern Kenya (Jubilee scores 80%) -3 counties NEP&Isiolo&Marsabit&Lamu&Tana River 2) Secondly the 4 Maa counties (Jubilee scores 80%)-Narok/Kajaido/Laikipia/Samburu 3) Jubilee will also do well in Turkana (maybe 60%). That leaves us with 2 counties of Kisii,4 counties of Luhya, Tranzoia,Taveta, Kwale, Kilifi and Mombasa -possibly Machakos - as the battle ground btw Jubilee & CORD - with Jubilee more than obviously doing way better than 2013. The way I see Kwale & Tranzoia will fall. Gusii counties now seem ready to move on from 07 bitterness - so I expect Jubilee to do really well there. ODM may retain Busia (although Otuoma's Luhya might torpedo the fewer tesos). maDVD keeps Vihiga.Kakamega will be dicey - 3 horse race -btw Jubilee, Khawale & Oparanya. Bungoma is btw Jubilee and Ford-K. ODM will keep Mombasa. Kilifi will be a fight and so will Taveta -where governor and senator are Jubilee bound --so maybe Jubilee will even take Taveta (not sure of Kenyatta land issue).
So rough MOAS - Jubilee nick it with 60% - and if you're not carefully - they can nick it with 65% with constitutional majority in parliament.
All Jubilee need to do is to conduct the most organized,free and fair nomination in 2017. They have to throw all the money in that. They have to ran a mini national election on a small budget. I would advice them to deploy technology.
The only safe counties for CORD are the 4 luo counties, 2-3 Kamba counties and which one? :)
How about like of Ababu,Mwahima,Waluke,Mungaros
Ababu Namwamba's much-hyped third political force suffered a setback when two MPs abandoned him for other political outfits.
Source close to the Budalang'i MP said his political activities slowed down following moves by Sirisia MP John Waluke and his Funyula counter part Paul Otuoma.
It had been said the three of them were behind the 'mulembe consciousness' movement aimed at uniting Western residents and securing their place in politics.
Waluke said he had officially crossed over to the ruling coalition ahead of Jubilee Party's launch, for his people's benefit.
The MP, who was ODM's only legislator in Bungoma, had resigned from his position as the party's chairman for the county.
"My constituency has been marginalised by former regimes and my people are still living in abject poverty," he said on Tuesday.
"I am officially joining and will next year vie on a Jubille Party ticket which is a very democratic party so that my people can benefit."
He spoke at Kibeu Primary School during the disbursement of Sh57 million National Government Constituency Development Fund.
The MP is among several Cord politicians who will attend Jubilee Party's official launch at Safaricom Stadium Kasarani, Nairobi, on Saturday.
Read: Kenyans will not eat Jubilee's PR, says Raila
Waluke criticised ODM leader Raila Odinga saying his tour of Western region was inconsequential and would not help him secure votes.
"Odinga should concentrate on areas like Rift Valley and Central where he has less votes. Why should he be roaming in Kakamega and Busia counties alone? Those areas have been taken by Jubilee... let him forget them," he said.
Regarding development, the MP cited the opening of the Sh600 million Chesikaki-Sirisia water project and the tarmacking of Chwele-Sirisia-Lwakhakha road.
He said Sirisia residents had not benefited from road construction projects since independence.
Also read: ODM plans 'major declaration' at 10th anniversary rally in Mombasa, parallel to Jubilee's
Otuoma resigned from his ODM position alongside Ababu but said earlier in the week that he had never been part of the former secretary general's team.
He said he was still a member of the party and would make efforts for Luhyas' needs to be addressed in a structured manner.
Otuoma called for unity among the Luhya and said he would ensure the community has a place in politics.
"The Luhya must not be blinded from obvious truths," he said, adding the people must be visionary.
"You cannot leave your home and have no plan. There must be a plan. There must be a structure."
Ababu and Otuoma, who was ODM vice chairman, resigned saying they had been shortchanged and disrespected by the party.
Speculation has been rife on the MP's plans amid claims he was a Jubilee
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Day dreaming
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That jubilee building was being auctioned the other day. Now it has an anchor tenant with long term lease that's already paid for. Talk about fortunes changing. Now the building is even getting an exit ramp to Thika rd.
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YOu mean entrance ramp!
The way I see it this is not good for democracy. Most money will go into these behemoths and nothing will get done. instead of building roads and schools, money will go into peoples pockets just to make them happy. PArliament willl get worse than it is, passing every bills - most that will favor the standing govt.
That jubilee building was being auctioned the other day. Now it has an anchor tenant with long term lease that's already paid for. Talk about fortunes changing. Now the building is even getting an exit ramp to Thika rd.
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I really do not understand why folks are excited about this building. If Jubilee were to win or lose the 2017 elections, its not going to be because of this building. Hilary and Trumps national elections are run in a much smaller building. Orange house is good enough for CORD to run its national elections and they should not try to keep up with the Joneses. CORD needs to keep calm and let Jubilee go through their show, knowing that after all is said and done, there will be enough Kenyans left out of the Jubilee parade to put together a formidable competition for the presidency in 2017.
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Kichwa's own mp Rege of Karauchuonyo is defecting to Jubilee.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/ODM-MP-to-defect-to-Jubilee-Party/1064-3372734-8y66yb/index.html
I really do not understand why folks are excited about this building. If Jubilee were to win or lose the 2017 elections, its not going to be because of this building. Hilary and Trumps national elections are run in a much smaller building. Orange house is good enough for CORD to run its national elections and they should not try to keep up with the Joneses. CORD needs to keep calm and let Jubilee go through their show, knowing that after all is said and done, there will be enough Kenyans left out of the Jubilee parade to put together a formidable competition for the presidency in 2017.
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Pundit, Rege is not my MP but Jubilee is where any self respecting MP who cannot win in CORD zones will go to for the money and the optics. There will be a lot of movement to Jubilee house but once its packed to capacity, there will be enough people left to put together a formidable run for the 2017 presidency.
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CORD needs to do its proper job of selling Kenyans a better option which they are not doing at present. Kenyan democracy is not mature so optics count if not countered with clarity and vision. Jubilee's performance is AVERAGE but trumpeted as great.
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Cord has done everything. Countless progressive vision manifestos, endless campaigns etc. what they haven't done as proficiently is bribe the media, hire hecklers, bribe Cord MPs like Jubilee Ruto has done, extra judicial killings, imprison opposition voices, train Mungiki hackers, steal billions for electioneering, fabricate a narrative on economic development and many more nefarious strategies, Eurobond, Westgate, extra judicial killings, Kenya genocide, South Sudan genocide etc... Jubilee is Kanu rebirthed badder and dangerous and an abomination.
What's the better option? My gosh, what's the better option? Jubilee isn't even on the same playing field as Cord. It's like a football match between a pack of wild dogs cheered on by wild dogs conditioned to howl on savagery cues- anti/hate sentiments- who happen to have the referee and their families on a leash vs a pro football team aka Cord. Cord is clean. They went in this clean and undoubtedly want to keep it this way win or lose the elections- Jubilee isn't worth compromising Cord's legacy.
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Jubilee has unlimited resources and therefore CORD trying to compete with them with grandiose optics is stupid. CORD can still win this with the limited resources that they have. Its a tall order but its doable. CORD is the only hope for Kenya's democracy which Ruto wants to destroy before 2022. People will get tired or even disgusted with the optics and no substance. CORD must be strong and find ways to criticize, ridicule and even make who are not scared of the Jubilee extravagant, ostentatious, grandiose, fancy, opulent and swanky expenditure of stolen peoples money in a country where 60% of the people live in abject poverty.
CORD needs to do its proper job of selling Kenyans a better option which they are not doing at present. Kenyan democracy is not mature so optics count if not countered with clarity and vision. Jubilee's performance is AVERAGE but trumpeted as great.
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Look like Joho's drug bizness has come to the rescue
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000215164/odm-to-use-823-branded-vehicles-during-extravaganza
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Look like Joho's drug bizness has come to the rescue
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000215164/odm-to-use-823-branded-vehicles-during-extravaganza
On one hand, we have Jubilee JAP with this:
The Auditor General has declared that Sh215 billion from Kenya’s controversial Eurobond funds has not been accounted for, two years after the Government claimed the cash was allocated to ministries.
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000215138/audit-sh215b-eurobond-cash-unaccounted-for
While on the other hand we have CORD with drug money.
Both sides dishing out money like it was free.
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CORD is not the government so its funding is less concerning than Jubilee's. Uhuruto need to publish their sources and financiers. They have claimed the parade of fuel guzzling SUVs is from "volunteers" :)
CORD just needs to stop the kneejerk and organize in time. They have the carte blanche unlike Jubilee.
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CORD is not the government so its funding is less concerning than Jubilee's. Uhuruto need to publish their sources and financiers. They have claimed the parade of fuel guzzling SUVs is from "volunteers" :)
CORD just needs to stop the kneejerk and organize in time. They have the carte blanche unlike Jubilee.
So what happens if CORD wins next year and the financiers demand their ROI, just like with Jubilee?
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ROI kitu gani?
Its going to be very messy after JAP wins.
Everyone wants a share of the loot, so there will be a lot of jostling with whatever little govt perks available.
CORD is not the government so its funding is less concerning than Jubilee's. Uhuruto need to publish their sources and financiers. They have claimed the parade of fuel guzzling SUVs is from "volunteers" :)
CORD just needs to stop the kneejerk and organize in time. They have the carte blanche unlike Jubilee.
So what happens if CORD wins next year and the financiers demand their ROI, just like with Jubilee?
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Drug money ? That's the MKM afia + Mungiki/matatu distributors. OMG.
(http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/thursday/mputsluvyxyn3nofmly57d1072fc3776.jpg)
Definitely not in Cord budget. That bus looks like it was plucked out of some rich country. Each of those would be at least 200 grand. Vicinity of millions. The only people who can fund those in such a short amount of time are billionaires because they have the contacts and networks to get that done asap, then waste not want not convert them into tour buses after the elections. No drug cartel, even MKM can fund an election war chest of that magnitude. These are the hallmarks of Gates and Rockefeller types.
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That bus design looks like Microsoft... login page for outlook.
(https://secure.aadcdn.microsoftonline-p.com/dbd5a2dd-6ybrougjmflxqw910ieyohr7wb4x4-yvoixrlaidmz4/appbranding/askzfdsqe20i-bcjwporaywega7vbt4acqnn1hiliiw/0/heroillustration?ts=635974776187911809)
You can smell billionaire from the design angles.
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Robina, CORD is in the process of organizing. Look at the past Kenyan elections and you will realize that they are still on schedule. Give the process a chance. CORD cannot compete with Jubilee's unlimited resource, so CORD has to be very strategic. They should wait for Jubilee to absorb to its capacity while at the same time protecting its vital zones. Once all the koigi's have been absorbed into the new jubilee, CORD will have more than enough left to form a formidable run for the presidency. CORD must be strategically patient. This is a long distance race and not a sprint. Jubilee and their supporters like pundit think they can knock CORD out in the first round but that is impossible because CORD is too heavy to be knocked out in the first round. This fight will go all the way to the last round because the country is deeply divided. Whom ever wins will do so by only a few points if the elections are truly free and fair.
CORD is not the government so its funding is less concerning than Jubilee's. Uhuruto need to publish their sources and financiers. They have claimed the parade of fuel guzzling SUVs is from "volunteers" :)
CORD just needs to stop the kneejerk and organize in time. They have the carte blanche unlike Jubilee.
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I can't wait to see Ruto balance the massive Jubilee liver on his palm. Kanu broke up; FORD split; NARC, ODM,... sembuse Jubilee? The dicey nature of tribal blocks... hold a piece here and that piece there drops off. Trying to explain to Luhyas their shot at power through this great democratic party is 2042 :D
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People all pundit is doing is setting kenyans up for some serious rigging. Muslims are still mad with Jubilee over Muslim cleric execution and who can forget rounding up of Muslim in all major cities and holding them in metal cages?
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I can't wait to see Ruto balance the massive Jubilee liver on his palm. Kanu broke up; FORD split; NARC, ODM,... sembuse Jubilee? The dicey nature of tribal blocks... hold a piece here and that piece there drops off. Trying to explain to Luhyas their shot at power through this great democratic party is 2042 :D
As soon as 2017 is done(assuming the jubilant wins), it's just a matter of time before the GEMA jubilant will discover that he as a Kenyan is entitled to a leader of his choice. Not an anointed stranger. It has been demonstrated time and again for those who care to learn.
2022 is wide open, regardless of what a would-be lameduck kamwana would suggest. By his own admission, he can guarantee the hustler his wife's and children's votes.
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I can't wait to see Ruto balance the massive Jubilee liver on his palm. Kanu broke up; FORD split; NARC, ODM,... sembuse Jubilee? The dicey nature of tribal blocks... hold a piece here and that piece there drops off. Trying to explain to Luhyas their shot at power through this great democratic party is 2042 :D
As soon as 2017 is done(assuming the jubilant wins), it's just a matter of time before the GEMA jubilant will discover that he as a Kenyan is entitled to a leader of his choice. Not an anointed stranger. It has been demonstrated time and again for those who care to learn.
2022 is wide open, regardless of what a would-be lameduck kamwana would suggest. By his own admission, he can guarantee the hustler his wife's and children's votes.
The heir conundrum... I heard Murkomen suggest on live broadcast that Ruto is ready for "fair nominations" on 2022, with tongue-in-cheek. How will next DPORK be decided - via the same fair nominations? Everyone's been mollified with the same vague promise. It's fair to say that cannister has been kicked down the road.
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I do not believe we are even discussing 2022.
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Ruto just managed to bring home more than 40 defectors and has a united party way bigger than KANU was in 90s; and so of you here still thing he no shot in 2022.
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With the unlimited resources he has, I am suprised he was not able to buy any big names. Some of them like Rege was considered to have defected a very long time ago and more than 100 people are trying to replace him.
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He bought Kwale Governor Mvurya. This concept of defecting or "crossing the floor" outside of IEBC transfer window 6 months to elections reminds me of KANU and is the hallmark of political corruption. Only in Africa. Even in the premier leagues players don't just switch camps midseason. UhuRuto really lack integrity.
With the unlimited resources he has, I am suprised he was not able to buy any big names. Some of them like Rege was considered to have defected a very long time ago and more than 100 people are trying to replace him.
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My support for politicians is not unconditional. It is of the “love the sinner, hate the sin” variety. Incompetence, corruption, greed - these are common strains suffered by them all to various extents. Competence is scarcer and redeems a few like Ruto. Parading defectors is perpetuating a culture of political impunity and is bad for our democracy. It's a mixed feeling: in impression with the "brilliance" but appalled by the implication.
Are we together? :D :D
Ruto just managed to bring home more than 40 defectors and has a united party way bigger than KANU was in 90s; and so of you here still thing he no shot in 2022.
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Can we talk about politics..for politics sake..without throwing other aspects. Ruto is wearing a political hat there. He has done well as politician. Or you rather have Kibaki who does well economically or management wise..but fails in politics..and plunges the country into chaos.
My support for politicians is not unconditional. It is of the “love the sinner, hate the sin” variety. Incompetence, corruption, greed - these are common strains suffered by them all to various extents. Competence is scarcer and redeems a few like Ruto. Parading defectors is perpetuating a culture of political impunity and is bad for our democracy. It's a mixed feeling: in impression with the "brilliance" but appalled by the implication.
Are we together? :D :D
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Can we talk about politics..for politics sake..without throwing other aspects. Ruto is wearing a political hat there. He has done well as politician. Or you rather have Kibaki who does well economically or management wise..but fails in politics..and plunges the country into chaos.
My support for politicians is not unconditional. It is of the “love the sinner, hate the sin” variety. Incompetence, corruption, greed - these are common strains suffered by them all to various extents. Competence is scarcer and redeems a few like Ruto. Parading defectors is perpetuating a culture of political impunity and is bad for our democracy. It's a mixed feeling: in impression with the "brilliance" but appalled by the implication.
Are we together? :D :D
You can't separate politics from governance.