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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: sema on October 14, 2022, 05:16:19 PM
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I am increasingly noticing that they are many men in Kenya between the ages of 22 to 45 who are either not working and in many cases have never worked. These men are now flocking to social media and spending all day on instagram, youtube and tiktok and they are spending their days twerking and gossiping about their body counts. The fact that they are jobless or broke doesn't seem to bother them in the least.
However, it looks like the women (in some cases their wives and girlfriends have jobs). The women in Kenya seem to be able to hold down 9 to 5 jobs, but not these young and not so young men who believe that gossiping all day on youtube is a real job, but in reality, it's their wives and girlfriends that are paying their bills for them.
These men are now flocking to youtube and listening to clowns like Andrew Kibe (a 48 year old man) who has been in the US for almost a year and a half, but appears to not be working and who spends his whole day complaining about women. He seems to have landed in the US with this Kenyan attitude of not working, but yet spends all day gossiping on youtube and whining about how bad women are. He has two kids in Kenya that are clearly being taken care of by their mothers, but this fact is totally lost on Kibe and this brings up another issue: Deadbeats. Ruto needs to look into some kind of child support enforcement to force many of these idle men into a sense of responsibility and work.
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Youtube is working. I own an apartment in some place in Nairobi - the number of young youtubers living large are in that estate is huge.
There are new careers that were created post 2020 covid.
These are online entertainment jobs - social influencing - and name it
Some make serious money. Kibe is on his way to big YouTube cheques.
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Kibe with 284K subscribers is probably closing 10K usd per month - if they especially come from diaspora.
https://www.youtube.com/c/AndrewKibeee
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lol..you clearly don't know how the youtube algorithim works. The ad rates that are paid out for African youtubers are miniscule because the consumers are not in those markets. Companies buy ad's on youtube in an effort to attract customers. They're not buying ad's for joy. Those customers (i.e. the one's with the disposable income are largely in the west and that is who they want. They're not looking for consumers in Uganda)
Sounds like you are confusing wash wash with youtube
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Kibe with 284K subscribers is probably closing 10K usd per month - if they especially come from diaspora.
https://www.youtube.com/c/AndrewKibeee
no. no. no. Especially because most of his viewers are based in Kenya the ad rates are miniscule. To make that amount in the US, you'd need a majority of US viewers and millions and millions of views on each video. I've heard he is living off some woman in Dallas (he is clearly in someone's house, but never talks about it even when asked) You can't survive off those miniscule youtube earnings in the US
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It still a lot of money for kenya youtuber.
And with huge diaspora looking for kenya content - you will find most say Kibe subscribers are American-Kenyans
Like I have told you - I have seen those small boys living large - with youtube skits.
lol..you clearly don't know how the youtube algorithim works. The ad rates that are paid out for African youtubers are miniscule because the consumers are not in those markets. Companies buy ad's on youtube in an effort to attract customers. They're not buying ad's for joy. Those customers (i.e. the one's with the disposable income are largely in the west and that is who they want. They're not looking for consumers in Uganda)
Sounds like you are confusing wash wash with youtube
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The growth of such kind of revenues is hockey stick like.
You struggle to get subscribers - then you start growing fast - when it become viral
I have seen Kibe grow very fast...I was among first subscribers when he use to beg with phone line to Mpesa.
If he hits a million subscribers - he will be closing serious money monthly
And he wont have to report to anyone - and will be able to travel - and say whatever he wants.
And again most diaspora kenyans will be looking for such content to connect to kenya
no. no. no. Especially because most of his viewers are based in Kenya the ad rates are miniscule. To make that amount in the US, you'd need a majority of US viewers and millions and millions of views on each video. I've heard he is living off some woman in Dallas (he is clearly in someone's house, but never talks about it even when asked) You can't survive off those miniscule youtube earnings in the US
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Kibe with 284K subscribers is probably closing 10K usd per month - if they especially come from diaspora.
https://www.youtube.com/c/AndrewKibeee (https://www.youtube.com/c/AndrewKibeee)
Never heard of him. But he is funny.
Check out this video The Don Imus of the Sahel I guess.
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I'm surprised you don't understand how youtube works. So, I have posted an example below for you. This is a Nigerian youtuber with 650,000 subscribers. For a video he did that got 1 million views he only made $132 dollars.
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Kibe is not funny and is actually a total loser and very bitter man. Had to escape from Kenya after he was fired from Kiss (& I'm sure used the visa he had received when he worked at kiss) He is very elusive about what he is doing in dallas. Never answers questions about whether he has a job or not, but is clearly living in someone's house. Never answers questions about his visa. Never answer questions about who he is living with. He just whines all day about women and jalas (very envious of him after jalas took his job and became an MP -- something kibe tried to do years ago and failed); never answers questions about his marital status or his children, but yet spends all day criticizing other people's lives but won't answer questions about his own life.
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Kibe is not funny and is actually a total loser and very bitter man. Had to escape from Kenya after he was fired from Kiss (& I'm sure used the visa he had received when he worked at kiss) He is very elusive about what he is doing in dallas. Never answers questions about whether he has a job or not, but is clearly living in someone's house. Never answers questions about his visa. Never answer questions about who he is living with. He just whines all day about women and jalas (very envious of him after jalas took his job and became an MP -- something kibe tried to do years ago and failed); never answers questions about his marital status or his children, but yet spends all day criticizing other people's lives but won't answer questions about his own life.
Really? I only just saw this guy and one video clip. I am not saying he has no flaws(we all do). But his channel is like a shock jock. There is a niche for that kind of stuff.
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I think you're just jealous as Kibe is making money using his talent spending nothing.
Kibe for example is closing almost 50k views per day
If he isnt making money now - soon he will start making serious money.
I'm surprised you don't understand how youtube works. So, I have posted an example below for you. This is a Nigerian youtuber with 650,000 subscribers. For a video he did that got 1 million views he only made $132 dollars.
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Dont be bitter.
He is not a criminal fugitive :)
Jesus did he dump you?
He is using his big mouth to earn an honest living after getting fired for saying stuff corporates found unpalatable.
People like his content - kinda like Amerix of Twitter -
Lot of men who feel emasculated by feminism are trooping to listen to Kibe preach.
There is a youtube channel for everything.
You dont like Kibe - you move on - listen to Jalas - he has is own.
Kibe is not funny and is actually a total loser and very bitter man. Had to escape from Kenya after he was fired from Kiss (& I'm sure used the visa he had received when he worked at kiss) He is very elusive about what he is doing in dallas. Never answers questions about whether he has a job or not, but is clearly living in someone's house. Never answers questions about his visa. Never answer questions about who he is living with. He just whines all day about women and jalas (very envious of him after jalas took his job and became an MP -- something kibe tried to do years ago and failed); never answers questions about his marital status or his children, but yet spends all day criticizing other people's lives but won't answer questions about his own life.
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Lot of men who feel emasculated by feminism are trooping to listen to Kibe preach.
You missed my entire point. Feminism is not emasculating Kenyan men. The bad economy and the unemployment rate is what is emasculating them. They are confusing the issues. LOL! To change their reality, they need to start looking at ways of changing their economic depression either by immigrating to countries with jobs or focusing on their skills. Listening to bitter men like Amerix and Kibe won't resolve their economic issues.
Pundit: Stick to analyzing MOASS.
Why would I be jealous of Kibe?
Ruto is not going to be able to change the country with gossiping/twerking men. Men need to do real things like working in factories, manufacturing plants, building machines, etc, etc
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Kibe with 284K subscribers is probably closing 10K usd per month - if they especially come from diaspora.
https://www.youtube.com/c/AndrewKibeee (https://www.youtube.com/c/AndrewKibeee)
Never heard of him. But he is funny.
Check out this video The Don Imus of the Sahel I guess.
1:55 Ati view point of South Africa? Nope Kibe, that is the Waterfront in Karen - The place never really picked up, nothing close to the Waterfront you find in SA or Baltimore .... and BTW in a few years, all tribes will want to marry Luyhas it is okay for Kibe to salivate.... that dance of shaking the shoulders is Luhya traditional dance
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It's a free world; let kibe do his thing; if you have a baby with him; children court is open.
Lot of men who feel emasculated by feminism are trooping to listen to Kibe preach.
You missed my entire point. Feminism is not emasculating Kenyan men. The bad economy and the unemployment rate is what is emasculating them. They are confusing the issues. LOL! To change their reality, they need to start looking at ways of changing their economic depression either by immigrating to countries with jobs or focusing on their skills. Listening to bitter men like Amerix and Kibe won't resolve their economic issues.
Pundit: Stick to analyzing MOASS.
Why would I be jealous of Kibe?
Ruto is not going to be able to change the country with gossiping/twerking men. Men need to do real things like working in factories, manufacturing plants, building machines, etc, etc
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Kibe with 284K subscribers is probably closing 10K usd per month - if they especially come from diaspora.
https://www.youtube.com/c/AndrewKibeee (https://www.youtube.com/c/AndrewKibeee)
Never heard of him. But he is funny.
Check out this video The Don Imus of the Sahel I guess.
1:55 Ati view point of South Africa? Nope Kibe, that is the Waterfront in Karen - The place never really picked up, nothing close to the Waterfront you find in SA or Baltimore .... and BTW in a few years, all tribes will want to marry Luyhas it is okay for Kibe to salivate.... that dance of shaking the shoulders is Luhya traditional dance
Kibe speaks what a normal healthy man sees and thinks, but knows not to blurt out fwaa. You keep him away from your daughter or sister and you are good. I wouldn't trust him around young lasses for sure. But that is his bread and butter I guess.
That shoulder dance, is it done by all the Luhyas(or just some sub tribes)? There is also a leg shaking thing and one where they go down and shake the waist on all fours.
Then there is this one
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I'm surprised you don't understand how youtube works. So, I have posted an example below for you. This is a Nigerian youtuber with 650,000 subscribers. For a video he did that got 1 million views he only made $132 dollars.
Tayo is very talented. But his content likely gets views from a mostly niche African audience looking for positive vibes. To get a western audience, you have to take them into the wild - show them undocumented tribes, people who eat snakes, hyenas, rats, worms and things like that.
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That shoulder dance, is it done by all the Luhyas(or just some sub tribes)? There is also a leg shaking thing and one where they go down and shake the waist on all fours.
Then there is this one
Different sub-tribes of Luhya can claim ownership to different dances.
Shoulder dance also known as "Amabeka" (luhya directly translates to 'Shoulders') originated in Bukusu land (https://www.tiktok.com/@maryandia2/video/6841511416256548102)
You often see Dr. Boni Khalwale doing the leg shaking. That is Ishikuti. Ishikuti and Bullfighting originated from Isukha and Idaho recognized by UNESCO (https://ich.unesco.org/en/USL/isukuti-dance-of-isukha-and-idakho-communities-of-western-kenya-00981)
As for your youtube, that is not luyha ... our dances are PG. That one probably corrupted from Zaire
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I am increasingly noticing that they are many men in Kenya between the ages of 22 to 45 who are either not working and in many cases have never worked. These men are now flocking to social media and spending all day on instagram, youtube and tiktok and they are spending their days twerking and gossiping about their body counts. The fact that they are jobless or broke doesn't seem to bother them in the least.
However, it looks like the women (in some cases their wives and girlfriends have jobs). The women in Kenya seem to be able to hold down 9 to 5 jobs, but not these young and not so young men who believe that gossiping all day on youtube is a real job, but in reality, it's their wives and girlfriends that are paying their bills for them.
These men are now flocking to youtube and listening to clowns like Andrew Kibe (a 48 year old man) who has been in the US for almost a year and a half, but appears to not be working and who spends his whole day complaining about women. He seems to have landed in the US with this Kenyan attitude of not working, but yet spends all day gossiping on youtube and whining about how bad women are. He has two kids in Kenya that are clearly being taken care of by their mothers, but this fact is totally lost on Kibe and this brings up another issue: Deadbeats. Ruto needs to look into some kind of child support enforcement to force many of these idle men into a sense of responsibility and work.
Thats the society nowadays men have become irrelevant due to economics and they resort to wasting time online. Once a culture is destroyed the outcome usually is this.
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Thats the society nowadays men have become irrelevant due to economics and they resort to wasting time online. Once a culture is destroyed the outcome usually is this.
Thank you for bringing this topic back to it's original intent. Pundit hijacked it by blaming feminism, but no woman has ever stopped a man from working or from being ambitious and if it wasn't for women, they'd be many more street children on Kenya's streets because these deadbeat fathers have totally abdicated their responsibilities.
It is right the Ruto is focusing on the economy but ruto, as someone that doesn't drink and as someone that isn't lazy, also needs to start addressing the crisis with men in Kenya and he needs to tell them the truth (maybe Gachagua can do it) - they need to learn how to work and become productive and they need to cut back on their drinking. Kenya is becoming a country of deadbeat fathers and broke, loser men. You are seeing all these women in their 30's not being able to find husbands because their choices are so severely limited. It's a crisis.
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Look like he is back on his feet.
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You are convinced he is making $10K a month from youtube video's, which I have said is not possible and in the US, anyone can get a car with credit as long as you make the monthly payments. Plus, I don't think he is paying rent or utility bills wherever he is living. Basically, what I'm saying is that his life in Texas is a mystery and they are many things he is not revealing like I've hard he is living off an older woman, but he has completely refused to address this issue because it would go against everything he is "preaching" to younger, jobless men in kenya that are stuck in their bitterness.
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You are convinced he is making $10K a month from youtube video's, which I have said is not possible and in the US, anyone can get a car with credit as long as you make the monthly payments. Plus, I don't think he is paying rent or utility bills wherever he is living. Basically, what I'm saying is that his life in Texas is a mystery and they are many things he is not revealing like I've hard he is living off an older woman, but he has completely refused to address this issue because it would go against everything he is "preaching" to younger, jobless men in kenya that are stuck in their bitterness.
Kweli wee apana penda Kifee. Kabsaa... Look beyond your value judgments and you will find he is a funny guy.
Let's suppose he is all those things. Does he owe you or anybody else an explanation about his life? More importantly does this unique instance really represent the social disaster in Kenya?
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What exactly is your beef with Kifee? The way I see - guy get fired in media for saying stuff that media thing advertisers dont like - and he is pulling himself up - creating his own "media" and finding his own voice - where he can say whatever he wants - and get paid. That is some freedom. That has probably alone improved his quality of life. Now he can say whetever he wants without corporate BS.
You are convinced he is making $10K a month from youtube video's, which I have said is not possible and in the US, anyone can get a car with credit as long as you make the monthly payments. Plus, I don't think he is paying rent or utility bills wherever he is living. Basically, what I'm saying is that his life in Texas is a mystery and they are many things he is not revealing like I've hard he is living off an older woman, but he has completely refused to address this issue because it would go against everything he is "preaching" to younger, jobless men in kenya that are stuck in their bitterness.
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More importantly does this unique instance really represent the social disaster in Kenya?
Getting back to the original topic at hand: the topic at hand was about the effects of long-term unemployment on men. (it wasn't about Kifee who I think is just mentally unstable and is spreading a dangerous message to young men in kenya while living off an older woman in Dallas. Add hypocrisy here) Kifee's message is that it's all women's fault, but it's not and he is feeding off his own personal heartbreak with women to spread this message of hate when the real problem is a dysfunctional economy.
This dysfunctional economy has created poverty and long-term unemployment, which has much more detrimental effects on men than it does on women (it leads to high crime, violence particularly domestic violence, high levels of alcoholism, deadbeat fathers, etc, etc) but kenyans don't want to or are unable to figure this basic fact out.
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Nonsense. They are competing messaging all over the world. Some people are tuned to churches and listen to their pastors extolling family values. Human beings are not gullible. They can listen to Kifee but dont think they will implement whatever he says. It mostly for the laughs.
The real problem in kenya is drugs & betting. Most deadbeats are dealing with drug addiction. That is as far as I can think...otherwise people take these gender wars for the joke they are - everyone has a grandmother, mother, sister, daughters, wife and knows gender harmony is imperative.
All these masculinity talks are just entertainment. When these guys meet their women, they know how to behave. Even Kifee himself you say is kept by a woman - why do you think other men are gullible?
More importantly does this unique instance really represent the social disaster in Kenya?
Getting back to the original topic at hand: the topic at hand was about the effects of long-term unemployment on men. (it wasn't about Kifee who I think is just mentally unstable and is spreading a dangerous message to young men in kenya while living off an older woman in Dallas. Add hypocrisy here) Kifee's message is that it's all women's fault, but it's not and he is feeding off his own personal heartbreak with women to spread this message of hate when the real problem is a dysfunctional economy.
This dysfunctional economy has created poverty and long-term unemployment, which has much more detrimental effects on men than it does on women (it leads to high crime, violence particularly domestic violence, high levels of alcoholism, deadbeat fathers, etc, etc) but kenyans don't want to or are unable to figure this basic fact out.
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The real problem in kenya is drugs & betting. Most deadbeats are dealing with drug addiction
I know many deadbeats that are not on drugs and that don't bet. They are jobless. No hustles. Have given up, etc, etc. and I know some who have jobs and will spend their money drinking. There's a societal problem where the burden of bringing up children is placed completely on the shoulders of women with men spending hours and hours and most of their money in bars and not on their kids.
If they were child support enforcement courts in kenya they'd be overrun and maybe they needs to be a CRB version for deadbeats, but I think even that would be overrun (too many people)
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Abortion should be legal - and if not - encouraged. A woman should never bear a child with a deadbeat. The responsibility of catching the ball and carrying it lies with the WOMAN.
Many men just want sex - not children. Stupid women get pregnant. Abort mission. Use contraceptive. The last option of following up men is tought but I agree children dep and court should be boosted.
But again if the guy is jobless - court orders wont help.
I know many deadbeats that are not on drugs and that don't bet. They are jobless. No hustles. Have given up, etc, etc. and I know some who have jobs and will spend their money drinking. There's a societal problem where the burden of bringing up children is placed completely on the shoulders of women with men spending hours and hours and most of their money in bars and not on their kids.
If they were child support enforcement courts in kenya they'd be overrun and maybe they needs to be a CRB version for deadbeats, but I think even that would be overrun (too many people)
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The responsibility of catching the ball and carrying it lies with the WOMAN.
This was the attitude in the US until they got serious with child support enforcement laws and it forced men to ALSO think about using condoms to prevent unwanted pregnancies, but the courts basically said, we don't care (if the child is biologically yours, you will pay) so, reckless sexual behavior now came with consequences. This is what you need in Kenya. Too many young men have 5 different baby Mama's. No child support is being paid. No responsibility.
The same way you are saying that the informal sectors of kenya's economy need to be improved and organized, is the same argument that needs to be made for these men that are behaving like baboons in the jungle (drinking, sex 24/7 with no responsibility) --kenyan men need to be forced to become more "civilized" and stop acting like low IQ monkeys in the savannah (no work, no productivity, no responsibility)
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We are 100 percent together on this. I think children court can be empowered - and built in every subcounty. Kenya has all the laws and children department with court orders. The problem they are few and in btw. They should be as many as DOs office...so people can walk and sue men...and hold them accountable. Most men do drugs because they have no responsibility. If they were forced to take care of kids - they might sober up.
Also custodial sentencing should be added for deadbeats.
Our judiciary is seriously underfunded. About 17B annually. We should spend at least 2% of the budget on judiciary. That mean hiring more judges, magistrates, building prisons, children courts, small claims courts, the whole shebang.
And once we build these many courts - they can self-finance from court fines - prisons can self-finance by working prisons to generate income - and be sustainable - and we will well be on the way to rule of law - from real bottom up.
The responsibility of catching the ball and carrying it lies with the WOMAN.
This was the attitude in the US until they got serious with child support enforcement laws and it forced men to ALSO think about using condoms to prevent unwanted pregnancies, but the courts basically said, we don't care (if the child is biologically yours, you will pay) so, reckless sexual behavior now came with consequences. This is what you need in Kenya. Too many young men have 5 different baby Mama's. No child support is being paid. No responsibility.
The same way you are saying that the informal sectors of kenya's economy need to be improved and organized, is the same argument that needs to be made for these men that are behaving like baboons in the jungle (drinking, sex 24/7 with no responsibility) --kenyan men need to be forced to become more "civilized" and stop acting like low IQ monkeys in the savannah (no work, no productivity, no responsibility)
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Kenyan men have become Takakata..preying on women. the number of single mothers and children in orphanages shows z society that is serious decaying socially. I ruiru there 3 children homes next to each other hosting over 2000 children abandoned in these homes. ruto should order the ministry social services and interior to track all dead beats and commit them to civil detention without trial. fuck these kenyan motherfuckers hurting women and kids. as of kipee he is an alcoholic social misfit capitalizing on the decay of modern kenya. fuck him and his mama
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Kenyan men have become Takakata..preying on women. the number of single mothers and children in orphanages shows z society that is serious decaying socially. I ruiru there 3 children homes next to each other hosting over 2000 children abandoned in these homes. ruto should order the ministry social services and interior to track all dead beats and commit them to civil detention without trial. fuck these kenyan motherfuckers hurting women and kids. as of kipee he is an alcoholic social misfit capitalizing on the decay of modern kenya. fuck him and his mama
For the first time I actually agree with you, but if Ruto were to track all dead beat dads in Kenya, the number would be in the millions.
As for Kibe, he is mentally unstable, but unfortunately, for many young bitter men that are stuck in Kenya with no jobs (Kibe himself escaped from Kenya when he got fired & ended up homeless) but now he is preaching to these defeated men after he escaped that society and telling them to mistreat women something Kibe would not be able to get away with in the US. Other parts of his life, which he himself has talked about provide evidence as to why he is so unstable:
* He claims to have been molested by a priest when he was younger
* He calls his mother a witch and evil & has no relationship with her currently
* Has two sisters he doesn't talk to (one sister died and he refused to attend her funeral)
* Has 2 or is it 3 kids? he is not sure. A 24yr old daughter he has no relationship with. Another younger daughter no relationship with and a son that he doesn't see (has no relationship with any of his children's mothers)
* cannot do his youtube show without wearing dark shades or a hat or without drinking & cannot do the show sober (without that he looks like a typical 48 year old middle aged man)
*Left Kenya after getting caught sleeping with a 17 year old girl
This is now the role model for bitter young men in kenya who prefer to blame feminists and not their own African society that has been ruled by men since independence.
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I don't know about kifee. I find him repugnant. never watched any of his videos. to me he is like Moses *kuria. a total disgrace to humanity and decency. I was in kenya last year and after observing people behaviors and knowing how bad these men are screwing women and kids I lost my hope for that fucking place. Kenya is a lothario paradise. the society is becoming like South Africa and Black AMERICANS. Men have become super predators. preying on the weak. no one helps women and children anymore. the society just mocks women and oppresses them. I really hate what our people have become
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The real problem in kenya is drugs & betting. Most deadbeats are dealing with drug addiction
I know many deadbeats that are not on drugs and that don't bet. They are jobless. No hustles. Have given up, etc, etc. and I know some who have jobs and will spend their money drinking. There's a societal problem where the burden of bringing up children is placed completely on the shoulders of women with men spending hours and hours and most of their money in bars and not on their kids.
If they were child support enforcement courts in kenya they'd be overrun and maybe they needs to be a CRB version for deadbeats, but I think even that would be overrun (too many people)
enforcement. order each sub chief to arrest every kinyanagrika not supporting kids. dedicate 1 billion to prosecute and take these nugus to jail or sell their assets. we need to stop letting people hurt kids and women.
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This is judiciary problem. CJ cut her teeth in FIDA and she needs to focus attention on children courts. If he needs funding - she should say it. I am sure parliament will see the need to fund establishment of 200 children courts in kenya. Ruto also should beef up children department part of gov.
Most important is justice everywhere anywhere.
Not some high profile cases.
But all cases including in the village..
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This is judiciary problem. CJ cut her teeth in FIDA and she needs to focus attention on children courts. If he needs funding - she should say it. I am sure parliament will see the need to fund establishment of 200 children courts in kenya. Ruto also should beef up children department part of gov.
Most important is justice everywhere anywhere.
Not some high profile cases.
But all cases including in the village..
that grandmother is senile
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This is judiciary problem. CJ cut her teeth in FIDA and she needs to focus attention on children courts. If he needs funding - she should say it. I am sure parliament will see the need to fund establishment of 200 children courts in kenya. Ruto also should beef up children department part of gov.
Most important is justice everywhere anywhere.
Not some high profile cases.
But all cases including in the village..
ruto should just summon registrar and tell him or her to put this on that cucus tray of things to do
gok should just crackdown using chiefs
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Only court order with custodial sentencing will solve the probel,m
ruto should just summon registrar and tell him or her to put this on that cucus tray of things to do
gok should just crackdown using chiefs
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been sponsoring kids for education a few years now.
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The real problem in kenya is drugs & betting. Most deadbeats are dealing with drug addiction
I know many deadbeats that are not on drugs and that don't bet. They are jobless. No hustles. Have given up, etc, etc. and I know some who have jobs and will spend their money drinking. There's a societal problem where the burden of bringing up children is placed completely on the shoulders of women with men spending hours and hours and most of their money in bars and not on their kids.
If they were child support enforcement courts in kenya they'd be overrun and maybe they needs to be a CRB version for deadbeats, but I think even that would be overrun (too many people)
enforcement. order each sub chief to arrest every kinyanagrika not supporting kids. dedicate 1 billion to prosecute and take these nugus to jail or sell their assets. we need to stop letting people hurt kids and women.
Its a problem tht requires commitment
chiefs can do it.
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Only court order with custodial sentencing will solve the probel,m
ruto should just summon registrar and tell him or her to put this on that cucus tray of things to do
gok should just crackdown using chiefs
yes ruto should make it a priority to push this to happen via courts and his administration ensures chiefs refer these cases to courts quickly
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He is on right track with 3B to judiciary to build 150 courts. The laws exists. It just need enforcement. This together with drugs - alcohol-and betting are affecting hustlers. Ruto will show them tough love. The bad folks are 10 percent. 90 percent are decent. I know two guys each with 7 children - they both dont care. You will find the guys who are deadbeat are repeat offenders - they have kids all over the town.
yes ruto should make it a priority to push this to happen via courts and his administration ensures chiefs refer these cases to courts quickly
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The bad folks are 10 percent. 90 percent are decent
I think it's the opposite actually (most kenyan men if separated from their wives or girlfriends do not provide any financial assistance)
Ruto and Gachagua can begin by highlighting these issues in their speeches. Start telling men to stop wasting their lives drinking; to stop being deadbeats (gachagua especially seems to be a family man and he can push this message) and they need to start using the word "dead beat" and shaming these men.
It is a societal crisis when men are completely removed from the upbringing of their children and from work and productivity and think it's okay to go having baby's with 5 different women none of whom they can support.
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He is on right track with 3B to judiciary to build 150 courts. The laws exists. It just need enforcement. This together with drugs - alcohol-and betting are affecting hustlers. Ruto will show them tough love. The bad folks are 10 percent. 90 percent are decent. I know two guys each with 7 children - they both dont care. You will find the guys who are deadbeat are repeat offenders - they have kids all over the town.
yes ruto should make it a priority to push this to happen via courts and his administration ensures chiefs refer these cases to courts quickly
it is not 10% if you take proper analysis of demographics you will see ages 50 to 18 you have over 30% deadbeats. what you are talking about are serial lotharias those are not many. however the number of regular Joe's that have a kid or two out there they do not take care of is in the millions. uhuru highlighted this a couple of times in speeches he made. it is a crisis. George Soros has mentioned that he pays fees for several of these kids. I support several women and I have seen this behavior become more and more prevalent over time
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There is strong correlation with drug addiction - alcohol induced irresponsibility - that you see all over. Few women will let a man walk free even in kenya if they know he has money. Most of the deadbeat are hopeless. This is very true in Kiambu and other counties battling mass alcohol addiction.
Story - 20s yr old - get early pregancies - the lady takes care of kids - the guy slowly drift into alcohol. The ladies become responsible as they have kids to feed - the guy continue deep into alcohol.
it is not 10% if you take proper analysis of demographics you will see ages 50 to 18 you have over 30% deadbeats. what you are talking about are serial lotharias those are not many. however the number of regular Joe's that have a kid or two out there they do not take care of is in the millions. uhuru highlighted this a couple of times in speeches he made. it is a crisis. George Soros has mentioned that he pays fees for several of these kids. I support several women and I have seen this behavior become more and more prevalent over time
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most of the men i am aware of are not hopeless. it takes a lot of emotional toll to fight a deadbeat and the money to do it.
if a man has money they can toy with the woman. in a poor society like kenya women a very exposed.
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this cry by the communities in kenya need to be answered by serious crackdown
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what you are talking about are serial lotharias those are not many
Pundit keeps saying drug addicts, but I"m not seeing that. Alcoholics? yes, they are in the millions, but honestly I think the number of dead beats is up there in the 70% if not more
Kenya has become a country where the majority of children are being raised by single mothers.
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Deadbeat Governor Wamatangi on killer alcohol
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Wamatangi himself is a rapist and dead beat (he impregnated his teenage maid and has refused to pay child support) - Kenyan society has descended into a pit of moral darkness and the only way to tame (yes, tame because men have become like animals) the only way to tame this animalistic/baboon like behavior is to STRICTLY apply the rule of law equally to everyone.
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we need to build capacity - by building children courts and enforcing arms - all over the country. Then we need FIDA like org everywhere assisting women. Unfortunately women issues have gone back burner as the right wing called them feminazi. Its upon gov to finance the children courts. Developed world to fund FIDA to assist women to sue men.
Wamatangi himself is a rapist and dead beat (he impregnated his teenage maid and has refused to pay child support) - Kenyan society has descended into a pit of moral darkness and the only way to tame (yes, tame because men have become like animals) the only way to tame this animalistic/baboon like behavior is to STRICTLY apply the rule of law equally to everyone.
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Diverse authorities and lived experiences on what is going on. Though mostly middle crass kilimanisque, captures what men are going through in a dysfunctional economy.
https://nation.africa/kenya/life-and-style/saturday-magazine/the-modern-man-is-losing-power-at-home-4041504