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Pundit - BBI crew further side-line Mobutu.. no sign of detente
« on: October 30, 2020, 08:21:27 AM »
Kieleweke in full BBI mode at Naivasha. Na unaota ati reconciliation. As you can see they are onto more committees  8) This Raila Manifesto to be 2022 referendum.


Proponents meet to strategise on the way forward



https://www.pd.co.ke/news/proponents-meet-to-strategise-on-the-way-forward-57112/
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Re: Pundit - BBI crew further side-line Mobutu.. no sign of detente
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2020, 09:18:55 AM »
BBI 3.0 loading. More tail wagging. They have one year to entertain themselves. Possibly six months before they are scattered.

The same forces that could not pass formulae for record 10 times - have the bravado to promise Raila's BBI will pass in few days :)

Anyway to keep Raila hopefully - another secretariat and another Bomas conference is planned I guess for six month timeline

BBI 3.0 :) :) this so hilarous.

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Re: Pundit - BBI crew further side-line Mobutu.. no sign of detente
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2020, 10:03:53 AM »
Ha! you are an optimist brother I give you that. BBI cannot be passed before 2022 because Mobutu would equally attract huge lineup. 2010 blunder. It must be passed on 2022 ballot to ensure it NARC vs Kanu... Raila will have 5-slot summit while Mobutu wil have 2-slot D/PORK. Also it must remain in the charts to overshadow hustler and wheelbarrow narrative. Basically now Mobutu must critique or dismiss BBI everywhere as they sideline him in Naivasha.

Anyway there is always a chance someone is being played but we only have yours and Pajero theory... which have zero evidence. Mobutu on the other hand is under the bus as Uhuru morph into Raila campaign manager.

I see this in 2022 BBI/Yes vs Hustler/No —

Raila PORK - Kalonzo VP - PK PM - Mdvd DPM - Matiang'i DPM
vs Mobutu PORK - MK DPORK


BBI 3.0 loading. More tail wagging. They have one year to entertain themselves. Possibly six months before they are scattered.

The same forces that could not pass formulae for record 10 times - have the bravado to promise Raila's BBI will pass in few days :)

Anyway to keep Raila hopefully - another secretariat and another Bomas conference is planned I guess for six month timeline

BBI 3.0 :) :) this so hilarous.
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Re: Pundit - BBI crew further side-line Mobutu.. no sign of detente
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2020, 10:08:35 AM »
All I see is a repeat of NASA versus Jubilee as your best case scenarior - with obvious results. Trust me the few Jubilee in Raila corner will abandon him as we approach 2022 - the ground is hostile. By 2021 half - after last budget - it will be back to Mashinani - and if Uhuru cannot attract school children - what about these Mps, Senators and governors. They know appearing with Raila is one way ticket to home.

Worse case scenario - why would Kalonzo or maDVD repeat the same mistake for 4th time - and rally behind Raila again. Bhangi mbichi. Raila has NO PLAN B when GEMA/UHURU abandon him. That is why you guys will cling to BBI like a tick on a dead cow.

Yes Ruto will go with MK - GEMA coalition - and will promise either maDVD or Weta or Kamba - something - in their gov if they back him - I think Luhyas are soften enough - and getting maDVD in - and promising Weta governorship of Bungoma and Kitale for ford-kenya would make Ruto presidency shoe in.


Meanwhile I am glad you understand BBI is headed nowhere.
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/why-ruto-opposed-powerful-president-in-naivasha-talks--2726160

Ha! you are an optimist brother I give you that. BBI cannot be passed before 2022 because Mobutu would equally attract huge lineup. 2010 blunder. It must be passed on 2022 ballot to ensure it NARC vs Kanu... Raila will have 5-slot summit while Mobutu wil have 2-slot D/PORK. Also it must remain in the charts to overshadow Mobutu hustler and wheelbarrow narrative. Basically now Mobutu must critique or dismiss BBI everywhere as they sideline him in Naivasha.

Anyway there is always a chance someone is being played but we only have yours and Pajero theory... which have zero evidence. Mobutu on the other hand is under the bus as Uhuru morph into Raila campaign manager.

I see this in 2022 BBI/Yes vs Hustler/No —

Raila PORK - Kalonzo VP - PK PM - Mdvd DPM - Matiang'i DPM
vs Mobutu PORK - MK DPORK


BBI 3.0 loading. More tail wagging. They have one year to entertain themselves. Possibly six months before they are scattered.

The same forces that could not pass formulae for record 10 times - have the bravado to promise Raila's BBI will pass in few days :)

Anyway to keep Raila hopefully - another secretariat and another Bomas conference is planned I guess for six month timeline

BBI 3.0 :) :) this so hilarous.

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Re: Pundit - BBI crew further side-line Mobutu.. no sign of detente
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2020, 10:25:56 AM »
Mdvd or Kalonzo are relying on BBI - katiba - to get posts. That very different from worthless MOU. Kalonzo get DPORK as runningmate - Mdvd get DPM and CS - he will already be MP. They know PM is Gema slot so noone will argue with that. You can see how eagerly Kalonzo backed BBI with bible quotes :) at least Mdvd poke some holes to appear legit. But Mdvd has been taking on Mobutu wheelbarrow really hard - same as Kalonzo - so again it a mere theory - many ifs and buts - that they might back Mobutu.

These are all hopeless losers of course - it either Raila or Mobutu or usual 4-8% - no other options. Which is better carrot - BBI vs IOU? BBI start by enabling Kalonzos, Johos, Oparanyas to save face while going for MP. 2017 Kalonzo had sneaked his name into Wiper nominated list and had to withdraw quickly due to Jubilee hammering 8) - he desperate enough to chew any bone.

Consider Rectangular too - from fake Bukusu leader to governor it obviously embarrassing. In BBI he sell DPM or senior CS and run as MP - and maintain some clout in Bungoma. Otherwise with Ford-K mess of Eselis, Wamunyinyi and Wangamati- even governor ni ngumu. Without BBI Weta will hang to oblivion like Kombo and other wazee. Weta is really useless than Mdvd and Kalonzo and badly need a path back to MP - which is all he is worth.

Mobutu task is to steal back the limelight to hustler vs dynasty- Raila job is keep BBI mana top of charts. Battle of narratives.

All I see is a repeat of NASA versus Jubilee as your best case scenarior - with obvious results. Trust me the few Jubilee in Raila corner will abandon him as we approach 2022 - the ground is hostile.

Worse case scenario - why would Kalonzo or maDVD repeat the same mistake for 4th time - and rally behind Raila again. Bhangi mbichi. Raila has NO PLAN B when GEMA/UHURU abandon him. That is why you guys will cling to BBI like a tick on a dead cow.

Yes Ruto will go with MK - GEMA coalition - and will promise either maDVD or Weta or Kamba - something - in their gov if they back him - I think Luhyas are soften enough - and getting maDVD in - and promising Weta governorship of Bungoma and Kitale for ford-kenya would make Ruto presidency shoe in.


Meanwhile I am glad you understand BBI is headed nowhere.
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/why-ruto-opposed-powerful-president-in-naivasha-talks--2726160

Ha! you are an optimist brother I give you that. BBI cannot be passed before 2022 because Mobutu would equally attract huge lineup. 2010 blunder. It must be passed on 2022 ballot to ensure it NARC vs Kanu... Raila will have 5-slot summit while Mobutu wil have 2-slot D/PORK. Also it must remain in the charts to overshadow Mobutu hustler and wheelbarrow narrative. Basically now Mobutu must critique or dismiss BBI everywhere as they sideline him in Naivasha.

Anyway there is always a chance someone is being played but we only have yours and Pajero theory... which have zero evidence. Mobutu on the other hand is under the bus as Uhuru morph into Raila campaign manager.

I see this in 2022 BBI/Yes vs Hustler/No —

Raila PORK - Kalonzo VP - PK PM - Mdvd DPM - Matiang'i DPM
vs Mobutu PORK - MK DPORK


BBI 3.0 loading. More tail wagging. They have one year to entertain themselves. Possibly six months before they are scattered.

The same forces that could not pass formulae for record 10 times - have the bravado to promise Raila's BBI will pass in few days :)

Anyway to keep Raila hopefully - another secretariat and another Bomas conference is planned I guess for six month timeline

BBI 3.0 :) :) this so hilarous.
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Re: Pundit - BBI crew further side-line Mobutu.. no sign of detente
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2020, 10:32:52 AM »
You live in your own world. Eti GEMA has reserved the useless PM for themselves. All those BBI posts when people analyze them are useless. Very useless. They are just name plates of leader of Majority or Ministers who are Mps. FOCUS ON PORK.

GEMA if they wanted PM - would have given it some bone or power. But look at fool like you. It's like you're cursed. Why would GEMA water down a position they are interested in :D :D :D :D. Why create imperial PORK and hand it over to Baba :) Then propose a weak kneed PM that can be fired by president anytime - and tell you - they'll really like it - Mr Mandela Moment Odinga.

Now once the 2nd tier realize 1) BBI is doomed and 2) BBI is promising them nothing - they will make deals.

Raila while building bridges NOWHERE has burnt his bridges with Kalonzo, MaDVD and Weta. You seem to have totally forgotten that. That is Raila biggest mistake No 2 - no 1 is trusted GEMA/Uhuru.

When you see Kalonzo or GEMA supporting BBI - don't imagine they are ALL DOING IT FOR BABA.

Jinga sana wewe. Kalonzo and GEMA and Matiangi could be doing it for themselves - where some GEMA upstart run for PORK, Kalonzo PM, and Matiangi DP. That I strong believe will happen if Uhuru doesn't throw a spanner.  They are people who don't trust Odingas - GEMAs, MOis -and now fearful of Ruto - except them to do a 3rd horse or 2nd horse - PK, kalonzo, gideon and matiangi.

Of all the people I have interracted online - you're the MOST DENSE.

The game here - some in GEMA are pursuing Pajero option. Some in GEMA are committed to finish Jubilee journey.

Raila as always like always is a FOOL - a NAIVE FOOL like you. This is why Odingas will NEVER rule kenya.Too Naive.

Mdvd or Kalonzo are relying on BBI - katiba - to get posts. That very different from worthless MOU. Kalonzo get DPORK as runningmate - Mdvd get DPM and CS - he will already be MP. They know PM is Gema slot so noone will argue with that. You can see how eagerly Kalonzo backed BBI with bible quotes :) at least Mdvd poke some holes to appear legit. But Mdvd has been taking on Mobutu wheelbarrow really hard - same as Kalonzo - so again it a mere theory - many ifs and buts - that they might back Mobutu.

These are all hopeless losers of course - it either Raila or Mobutu or usual 4-8% - no other options. Which is better carrot - BBI vs IOU? BBI start by enabling Kalonzos, Johos, Oparanyas to save face while going for MP. 2017 Kalonzo had sneaked his name into Wiper nominated list and had to withdraw quickly due to Jubilee hammering 8) - he desperate enough to chew any bone.

Consider Rectangular too - from fake Bukusu leader to governor it obviously embarrassing. In BBI he sell DPM or senior CS and run as MP - and maintain some clout in Bungoma. Otherwise with Ford-K mess of Eselis, Wamunyinyi and Wangamati- even governor ni ngumu. Without BBI Weta will hang to oblivion like Kombo and other wazee. Weta is really useless than Mdvd and Kalonzo and badly need a path back to MP - which is all he is worth.

Mobutu task is to steal back the limelight to hustler vs dynasty- Raila job is keep BBI mana top of charts. Battle of narratives.

All I see is a repeat of NASA versus Jubilee as your best case scenarior - with obvious results. Trust me the few Jubilee in Raila corner will abandon him as we approach 2022 - the ground is hostile.

Worse case scenario - why would Kalonzo or maDVD repeat the same mistake for 4th time - and rally behind Raila again. Bhangi mbichi. Raila has NO PLAN B when GEMA/UHURU abandon him. That is why you guys will cling to BBI like a tick on a dead cow.

Yes Ruto will go with MK - GEMA coalition - and will promise either maDVD or Weta or Kamba - something - in their gov if they back him - I think Luhyas are soften enough - and getting maDVD in - and promising Weta governorship of Bungoma and Kitale for ford-kenya would make Ruto presidency shoe in.


Meanwhile I am glad you understand BBI is headed nowhere.
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/why-ruto-opposed-powerful-president-in-naivasha-talks--2726160

Ha! you are an optimist brother I give you that. BBI cannot be passed before 2022 because Mobutu would equally attract huge lineup. 2010 blunder. It must be passed on 2022 ballot to ensure it NARC vs Kanu... Raila will have 5-slot summit while Mobutu wil have 2-slot D/PORK. Also it must remain in the charts to overshadow Mobutu hustler and wheelbarrow narrative. Basically now Mobutu must critique or dismiss BBI everywhere as they sideline him in Naivasha.

Anyway there is always a chance someone is being played but we only have yours and Pajero theory... which have zero evidence. Mobutu on the other hand is under the bus as Uhuru morph into Raila campaign manager.

I see this in 2022 BBI/Yes vs Hustler/No —

Raila PORK - Kalonzo VP - PK PM - Mdvd DPM - Matiang'i DPM
vs Mobutu PORK - MK DPORK


BBI 3.0 loading. More tail wagging. They have one year to entertain themselves. Possibly six months before they are scattered.

The same forces that could not pass formulae for record 10 times - have the bravado to promise Raila's BBI will pass in few days :)

Anyway to keep Raila hopefully - another secretariat and another Bomas conference is planned I guess for six month timeline

BBI 3.0 :) :) this so hilarous.

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Re: Pundit - BBI crew further side-line Mobutu.. no sign of detente
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2020, 01:14:28 PM »
 :) :D wow so much bile from someone sleepwalking to SH. Likes of bitmask long gave up rebutting this "up is down" theory. Uhuru and Gema actions speak for themselves- ingine ni ndoto. Theories aka vitendawili. Do you see how Uhuru cousin photo-op with Mobutu excite you? It like when Mariga photo with Uhuru excite you all over - come D-day cops were answering to Junet :)

But am sure a fool like Noway is great provided he offer raw blood to your clay idol. The idiot thinks I waste your time while in fact the opposite is true. Let's face it: Pundit is classic bimbo masquerading as genius. The rock come tumbling down he claim the gods must be crazy. You're just riff-ruff from dirsty, god-forsaken Gabartonjo - Robina is fine linen. You can line up Itumbi and Murkomens here and I still cut you to size.

Now how is BBI useless? You mean Kalonzo or Mutua or Mdvd can't see that? Say Cate Waruguru, Waiguru, Sabinas - plus Kalonzos - are privy to a grand scheme to go for PORK - but Raila doesn't know :o Do they hold night meetings at La Mada :) Spin requires intelligence mister. Mdvds and Wetas are keen for golden parachute from PORK pipedream - and they are happy to bag MP in guise of DPM or CS - that a bag in hand while getting CS or DPM is 2 in the bush. Mobutu worthless IOU is not even a bird - it a bat - inedible and poisonous.

Mobutu has never been PORK - Raila NARA was way better than Uhurutopia MOU that get trashed 2 days after swearing in. Mobutu cheese was long moved - and Gentleman Uhuru is now Raila campaign manager - spearheading Raila Manifesto launch and ground work. Folks who don't toe the line face the music - even Willy Mutunga knows Raila is new co-president. Instead of Ndugu yangu kumi... you're projecting your god's failures to everyone else. Magufulism must be messing your feeble head. Don't stress Mobutu has bright future - this great opportunity to prep kiongozi ya upinzani chops - with his fork-tongue and chameleon traits he only need 10 years to reach Raila level. Otherwise his hard-nosed confrontation nonsense is only guaranteed long years of maandamano and teargas.

You live in your own world. Eti GEMA has reserved the useless PM for themselves. All those BBI posts when people analyze them are useless. Very useless. They are just name plates of leader of Majority or Ministers who are Mps. FOCUS ON PORK.

GEMA if they wanted PM - would have given it some bone or power. But look at fool like you. It's like you're cursed. Why would GEMA water down a position they are interested in :D :D :D :D. Why create imperial PORK and hand it over to Baba :) Then propose a weak kneed PM that can be fired by president anytime - and tell you - they'll really like it - Mr Mandela Moment Odinga.

Now once the 2nd tier realize 1) BBI is doomed and 2) BBI is promising them nothing - they will make deals.

Raila while building bridges NOWHERE has burnt his bridges with Kalonzo, MaDVD and Weta. You seem to have totally forgotten that. That is Raila biggest mistake No 2 - no 1 is trusted GEMA/Uhuru.

When you see Kalonzo or GEMA supporting BBI - don't imagine they are ALL DOING IT FOR BABA.

Jinga sana wewe. Kalonzo and GEMA and Matiangi could be doing it for themselves - where some GEMA upstart run for PORK, Kalonzo PM, and Matiangi DP. That I strong believe will happen if Uhuru doesn't throw a spanner.  They are people who don't trust Odingas - GEMAs, MOis -and now fearful of Ruto - except them to do a 3rd horse or 2nd horse - PK, kalonzo, gideon and matiangi.

Of all the people I have interracted online - you're the MOST DENSE.

The game here - some in GEMA are pursuing Pajero option. Some in GEMA are committed to finish Jubilee journey.

Raila as always like always is a FOOL - a NAIVE FOOL like you. This is why Odingas will NEVER rule kenya.Too Naive.
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Re: Pundit - BBI crew further side-line Mobutu.. no sign of detente
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2020, 02:11:26 PM »
Please use common sense. It easy to read kenya politics except for a fool like you. Just use 5 common sense. And Ruto has acted as PORK for 3 days.
:) :D wow so much bile from someone sleepwalking to SH. Likes of bitmask long gave up rebutting this "up is down" theory. Uhuru and Gema actions speak for themselves- ingine ni ndoto. Theories aka vitendawili. Do you see how Uhuru cousin photo-op with Mobutu excite you? It like when Mariga photo with Uhuru excite you all over - come D-day cops were answering to Junet :)

But am sure a fool like Noway is great provided he offer raw blood to your clay idol. The idiot thinks I waste your time while in fact the opposite is true. Let's face it: Pundit is classic bimbo masquerading as genius. The rock come tumbling down he claim the gods must be crazy. You're just riff-ruff from dirsty, god-forsaken Gabartonjo - Robina is fine linen. You can line up Itumbi and Murkomens here and I still cut you to size.

Now how is BBI useless? You mean Kalonzo or Mutua or Mdvd can't see that? Say Cate Waruguru, Waiguru, Sabinas - plus Kalonzos - are privy to a grand scheme to go for PORK - but Raila doesn't know :o Do they hold night meetings at La Mada :) Spin requires intelligence mister. Mdvds and Wetas are keen for golden parachute from PORK pipedream - and they are happy to bag MP in guise of DPM or CS - that a bag in hand while getting CS or DPM is 2 in the bush. Mobutu worthless IOU is not even a bird - it a bat - inedible and poisonous.

Mobutu has never been PORK - Raila NARA was way better than Uhurutopia MOU that get trashed 2 days after swearing in. Mobutu cheese was long moved - and Gentleman Uhuru is now Raila campaign manager - spearheading Raila Manifesto launch and ground work. Folks who don't toe the line face the music - even Willy Mutunga knows Raila is new co-president. Instead of Ndugu yangu kumi... you're projecting your god's failures to everyone else. Magufulism must be messing your feeble head. Don't stress Mobutu has bright future - this great opportunity to prep kiongozi ya upinzani chops - with his fork-tongue and chameleon traits he only need 10 years to reach Raila level. Otherwise his hard-nosed confrontation nonsense is only guaranteed long years of maandamano and teargas.

You live in your own world. Eti GEMA has reserved the useless PM for themselves. All those BBI posts when people analyze them are useless. Very useless. They are just name plates of leader of Majority or Ministers who are Mps. FOCUS ON PORK.

GEMA if they wanted PM - would have given it some bone or power. But look at fool like you. It's like you're cursed. Why would GEMA water down a position they are interested in :D :D :D :D. Why create imperial PORK and hand it over to Baba :) Then propose a weak kneed PM that can be fired by president anytime - and tell you - they'll really like it - Mr Mandela Moment Odinga.

Now once the 2nd tier realize 1) BBI is doomed and 2) BBI is promising them nothing - they will make deals.

Raila while building bridges NOWHERE has burnt his bridges with Kalonzo, MaDVD and Weta. You seem to have totally forgotten that. That is Raila biggest mistake No 2 - no 1 is trusted GEMA/Uhuru.

When you see Kalonzo or GEMA supporting BBI - don't imagine they are ALL DOING IT FOR BABA.

Jinga sana wewe. Kalonzo and GEMA and Matiangi could be doing it for themselves - where some GEMA upstart run for PORK, Kalonzo PM, and Matiangi DP. That I strong believe will happen if Uhuru doesn't throw a spanner.  They are people who don't trust Odingas - GEMAs, MOis -and now fearful of Ruto - except them to do a 3rd horse or 2nd horse - PK, kalonzo, gideon and matiangi.

Of all the people I have interracted online - you're the MOST DENSE.

The game here - some in GEMA are pursuing Pajero option. Some in GEMA are committed to finish Jubilee journey.

Raila as always like always is a FOOL - a NAIVE FOOL like you. This is why Odingas will NEVER rule kenya.Too Naive.

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Re: Pundit - BBI crew further side-line Mobutu.. no sign of detente
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2020, 03:06:05 PM »
Ruto's path to the presidency is not even worth a serious debate because it only exists in your head. Listen, I believe if WSR would have been patient, did not steal a lot of money and remained  loyal, Ouru would have let him be president. WSR out-did himself by being too clever or over-kujipanga. Ouru does not feel like he owes him anything because Ruto literally took everything.

It appears Ouru is instead hell bent in paying another debt going back to pre-independence when Jaramogi toshad  Jomo.    Forget about the "people" for now because the people are always rallied to support what a few people in key places decide. If Ouru and Raila can find something for Peter Kenneth, Kalonzo, Matiangi, mdvd, 001 and a few other characters,  then the rest is history. Ruto has no discernable path to the presidency. He is headed to opposition politics.


Please use common sense. It easy to read kenya politics except for a fool like you. Just use 5 common sense. And Ruto has acted as PORK for 3 days.
:) :D wow so much bile from someone sleepwalking to SH. Likes of bitmask long gave up rebutting this "up is down" theory. Uhuru and Gema actions speak for themselves- ingine ni ndoto. Theories aka vitendawili. Do you see how Uhuru cousin photo-op with Mobutu excite you? It like when Mariga photo with Uhuru excite you all over - come D-day cops were answering to Junet :)

But am sure a fool like Noway is great provided he offer raw blood to your clay idol. The idiot thinks I waste your time while in fact the opposite is true. Let's face it: Pundit is classic bimbo masquerading as genius. The rock come tumbling down he claim the gods must be crazy. You're just riff-ruff from dirsty, god-forsaken Gabartonjo - Robina is fine linen. You can line up Itumbi and Murkomens here and I still cut you to size.

Now how is BBI useless? You mean Kalonzo or Mutua or Mdvd can't see that? Say Cate Waruguru, Waiguru, Sabinas - plus Kalonzos - are privy to a grand scheme to go for PORK - but Raila doesn't know :o Do they hold night meetings at La Mada :) Spin requires intelligence mister. Mdvds and Wetas are keen for golden parachute from PORK pipedream - and they are happy to bag MP in guise of DPM or CS - that a bag in hand while getting CS or DPM is 2 in the bush. Mobutu worthless IOU is not even a bird - it a bat - inedible and poisonous.

Mobutu has never been PORK - Raila NARA was way better than Uhurutopia MOU that get trashed 2 days after swearing in. Mobutu cheese was long moved - and Gentleman Uhuru is now Raila campaign manager - spearheading Raila Manifesto launch and ground work. Folks who don't toe the line face the music - even Willy Mutunga knows Raila is new co-president. Instead of Ndugu yangu kumi... you're projecting your god's failures to everyone else. Magufulism must be messing your feeble head. Don't stress Mobutu has bright future - this great opportunity to prep kiongozi ya upinzani chops - with his fork-tongue and chameleon traits he only need 10 years to reach Raila level. Otherwise his hard-nosed confrontation nonsense is only guaranteed long years of maandamano and teargas.

You live in your own world. Eti GEMA has reserved the useless PM for themselves. All those BBI posts when people analyze them are useless. Very useless. They are just name plates of leader of Majority or Ministers who are Mps. FOCUS ON PORK.

GEMA if they wanted PM - would have given it some bone or power. But look at fool like you. It's like you're cursed. Why would GEMA water down a position they are interested in :D :D :D :D. Why create imperial PORK and hand it over to Baba :) Then propose a weak kneed PM that can be fired by president anytime - and tell you - they'll really like it - Mr Mandela Moment Odinga.

Now once the 2nd tier realize 1) BBI is doomed and 2) BBI is promising them nothing - they will make deals.

Raila while building bridges NOWHERE has burnt his bridges with Kalonzo, MaDVD and Weta. You seem to have totally forgotten that. That is Raila biggest mistake No 2 - no 1 is trusted GEMA/Uhuru.

When you see Kalonzo or GEMA supporting BBI - don't imagine they are ALL DOING IT FOR BABA.

Jinga sana wewe. Kalonzo and GEMA and Matiangi could be doing it for themselves - where some GEMA upstart run for PORK, Kalonzo PM, and Matiangi DP. That I strong believe will happen if Uhuru doesn't throw a spanner.  They are people who don't trust Odingas - GEMAs, MOis -and now fearful of Ruto - except them to do a 3rd horse or 2nd horse - PK, kalonzo, gideon and matiangi.

Of all the people I have interracted online - you're the MOST DENSE.

The game here - some in GEMA are pursuing Pajero option. Some in GEMA are committed to finish Jubilee journey.

Raila as always like always is a FOOL - a NAIVE FOOL like you. This is why Odingas will NEVER rule kenya.Too Naive.
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Re: Pundit - BBI crew further side-line Mobutu.. no sign of detente
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2020, 03:11:16 PM »
I believe in Saul-Paul conversion - and Ouru will make Raila pork - like Kibaki was preparing the way for John oops the Messiah Raila Odinga.

Your naivety is in-born. You are playing as always draft moves in a game of chess. You think that all moves are one step forward - either to left or right angles :).

While Uhuru is feeding you with pawns - you think you're making great progress towards finally securing PORK - you're as always one step before everything come toppling down.

My man Ruto has NEVER lost an election he stood. He is not about to start. People he has supported have lost - but Ruto is ever so meticolous - I don't think he has any time for losing.

Ruto has 2022 covered in Plan A to C - all of the 3 plans are SHOE IN - they are all now at 50%. Really nothing can stop the man. Not even GEMA or Uhuru or Raila.

Ruto's path to the presidency is not even worth a serious debate because it only exists in your head. Listen, I believe if WSR would have been patient, did not steal a lot of money and remained  loyal, Ouru would have let him be president. WSR out-did himself by being too clever or over-kujipanga. Ouru does not feel like he owes him anything because Ruto literally took everything.

It appears Ouru is instead hell bent in paying another debt going back to pre-independence when Jaramogi toshad  Jomo.    Forget about the "people" for now because the people are always rallied to support what a few people in key places decide. If Ouru and Raila can find something for Peter Kenneth, Kalonzo, Matiangi, mdvd, 001 and a few other characters,  then the rest is history. Ruto has no discernable path to the presidency. He is headed to opposition politics.

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Re: Pundit - BBI crew further side-line Mobutu.. no sign of detente
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2020, 06:25:16 PM »


But am sure a fool like Noway is great provided he offer raw blood to your clay idol. The idiot thinks I waste your time while in fact the opposite is true. Let's face it: Pundit is classic bimbo masquerading as genius. The rock come tumbling down he claim the gods must be crazy. You're just riff-ruff from dirsty, god-forsaken Gabartonjo - Robina is fine linen. You can line up Itumbi and Murkomens here and I still cut you to size.


I dont think you waste his time, actually Im amused he calls you insane then on the next hand he is engaging you meaning he is also insane.
Robina is fine linen? Where as you are always wrong. All your analysis are covered with self deciet and wishfull thinking. Ati Gema will vote Raila 80% Atleast the Kadudu and Kichwa Mbaya say they just want Gema to vote for their own interests.
And you call yourself a Proffesor where did you do tour PHD ? That Instituion needs to be sanctioned

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Re: Pundit - BBI crew further side-line Mobutu.. no sign of detente
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2020, 07:39:36 PM »
You just responded to her. Dude, some of these people write shocking things, that  begs for a respond. But I understand if you want her for yourself - and you can go finish what you started in Russia :), and leave us alone. Don't monitor our online activities PLEASE.
I dont think you waste his time, actually Im amused he calls you insane then on the next hand he is engaging you meaning he is also insane.
Robina is fine linen? Where as you are always wrong. All your analysis are covered with self deciet and wishfull thinking. Ati Gema will vote Raila 80% Atleast the Kadudu and Kichwa Mbaya say they just want Gema to vote for their own interests.
And you call yourself a Proffesor where did you do tour PHD ? That Instituion needs to be sanctioned

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Re: Pundit - BBI crew further side-line Mobutu.. no sign of detente
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2020, 07:57:03 PM »
Pole, I dont mean to knock your hustle. I think She is a blonde and fyi I like blondes partly the reason was in Russia in 2018 worldcup . We were in the midst of Cosmos stadium during Brazil vs Mexico worldcup game The blondes we had were talking of how Mexico won worldcup in 1986 and How Brazil won it in 2014 we just played on knowing well that they were the hosts in those years. Robina exhibits these characteristics.
Wewe ukishindwa tuambie .

You just responded to her. Dude, some of these people write shocking things, that  begs for a respond. But I understand if you want her for yourself - and you can go finish what you started in Russia :), and leave us alone. Don't monitor our online activities PLEASE.
I dont think you waste his time, actually Im amused he calls you insane then on the next hand he is engaging you meaning he is also insane.
Robina is fine linen? Where as you are always wrong. All your analysis are covered with self deciet and wishfull thinking. Ati Gema will vote Raila 80% Atleast the Kadudu and Kichwa Mbaya say they just want Gema to vote for their own interests.
And you call yourself a Proffesor where did you do tour PHD ? That Instituion needs to be sanctioned