Uhuru reclaims Central through Raila

[KenyanPlato]

matiba was an arrogant arsehole too,, My friend was heighbor and he tells me Matiba never ever acknowledged the locals. He was bitter for being forced to marry into the family just be a Kenyatta arse kisser. I think Matiba Wife is a very humble person. She way have taken after her Mum.. Those Kiuyus like Musa Gitau that embrace whiteman were usually born Narcisists like Njonjos, that why they wanted to be different to create clout

[RV Pundit]

They are humble on the outside - that Dr Getao (Gitau) - was evil - if you dare challenged her. They acted like Njonjo -like Brits. Edith Matiba was siter to Alexander Gitau.  They may pretend to be humble and sophisticated until you dare them...and they will skin you alive.

Their demeanor was to act like they were nothing African - Getao could only befriend with white lecturers. I thinks she still unmarried. She definitely cannot date African man.

These are people who got so messed up with whites they thought they were also white.

matiba was an arrogant arsehole too,, My friend was heighbor and he tells me Matiba never ever acknowledged the locals. He was bitter for being forced to marry into the family just be a Kenyatta arse kisser. I think Matiba Wife is a very humble person. She way have taken after her Mum.. Those Kiuyus like Musa Gitau that embrace whiteman were usually born Narcisists like Njonjos, that why they wanted to be different to create clout

[KenyanPlato]

lol that explains Matiba Wife. Yeah that group of Kikuyus is very bad especially if they have a little bit of power. What happens is that locals know them and make sure they never get anywhere near power. That what happened to Kenyatta, he was coopted by this group and they captured him and he could never get away.. Someone like Ndegwa i was told by a man that worked for him that he behaved like a oligarch. anytime he went to his rural home he ordered a big tent to be pitched for him to camp there.. I meet this kind of kiuyus all the time and you cannot really take that narcissism out of them

[KenyanPlato]

You can tell that for the clout matiba has he rarely made any impact in Kiambu because the Gitau's couldn't allow it. He was only able to help his kiharu people because there he had networks that could reach out for him to help.

[RV Pundit]

The interesting part - I met someone who had worked with Magana Mugiai (Kenyatta nephew dude with flower farm in limur) - and he told me they are nice. But I think nice in British colonial senses. These are like South African coconut.

They are like Uhuru - pretend white kind of sophistry - but if need a mungiki - for them they are used to immunity - you cannot do anything to them. But they are brought in white bubble of international schools and universities abroad....but they know they can shiet on you without consequences.

White kind of privilege.

lol that explains Matiba Wife. Yeah that group of Kikuyus is very bad especially if they have a little bit of power. What happens is that locals know them and make sure they never get anywhere near power. That what happened to Kenyatta, he was coopted by this group and they captured him and he could never get away.. Someone like Ndegwa i was told by a man that worked for him that he behaved like a oligarch. anytime he went to his rural home he ordered a big tent to be pitched for him to camp there.. I meet this kind of kiuyus all the time and you cannot really take that narcissism out of them

[KenyanPlato]

One thing is if you meet this kind, they want to know family to determine if you in the club or not. The kenyattas due to Ngina are a toxic lot, Uhuru is only that he is a born like that a happy go lucky guy. However, one thing ngina did was to make them hate all Gatundu people. In their office if you do something stupid they ask you "why are you behaving like an idiot from ichaweri" . Ngina was chief Muhoho daughter so she is similar to Musa Gitau kids. Very rotten group of people, they think have that kind of privilege and immunity that they can do anything

Even uhuru kids have picked this tabia and they will be the worst. I have seen media reports of them shutting down hotels so that they can have an exclusive access. they think they are some type of Royalty in Kenya

[RV Pundit]

I saw in it Dr Getao. My first sem. She gave us an exam that was clearly impossible. Before that she had addressed as director of Institute of Computer Science. She said our As were nothing. Were would soon get Es. She said she knew all our lifes we had gotten As..and now it was time to bring some humility to our lives.

I never took it seriously...until that exam.

My meru friend though had been informed by 4th year about her games..so I was warned. She use to write Flakes on Saturaday Nation and came from Musa Gitau family - and Edith Matiba was their aunt - and their dad had been Kenyatta statehouse comprtoller. I had no idea who Musa Gitau was - I think I had heard of primary. That guy was connected with opposition politics. He was my roommat. Anyway long sad story - we go to exams - Automata 101 - and exam is craziest I have seen in my life. The Gusii guy - crazy dude from Alliance High- walk out almost immediately- after writting his name.Dr Getao gave him 39.5%. So the guy could go and pleade for 0.5%. Everyone else passed by some miracles. I swear I wrote nothing

I was so disappointed. For me the University of Nairobi was the citadel of education. I had in two years prepared by reading widely. I definitely though integrity would be given.  Our education was secondary - our role was to evict Moi and all retrogressive forces.

And here were being confronted by Musa Gitau home guard sophisticated granddaughter...and we were powerless.

One thing is if you meet this kind, they want to know family to determine if you in the club or not. The kenyattas due to Ngina are a toxic lot, Uhuru is only that he is a born like that a happy go lucky guy. However, one thing ngina did was to make them hate all Gatundu people. In their office if you do something stupid they ask you "why are you behaving like an idiot from ichaweri" . Ngina was chief Muhoho daughter so she is similar to Musa Gitau kids. Very rotten group of people, they think have that kind of privilege and immunity that they can do anything

Even uhuru kids have picked this tabia and they will be the worst. I have seen media reports of them shutting down hotels so that they can have an exclusive access. they think they are some type of Royalty in Kenya

[Nowayhaha]

You cannot unite Kenya by goading kalenjin and kikuyu war.This has potential of creating a million idps in a day.That is why ambassador from Western countries are always at Ruto office

They are there to feel him out. I really pity you guys. By the way all Kikuyus in RV are pro ruto on basis of avoiding eviction. it will be sad for them to be victimized after they support Ruto

And kalenjin are stupid..they allow you to live in their land. And Ruto after staying so loyal to be abused.Kalenjjn are a volcano.. you might see an useless mountain but be careful.The day they erupt in few hours you would be claiming they are trained in north Korea or isreal.Kalenjin now have a million youths..be very afraid.Kalenjim are capable of the worst atrocities..kuambaa was bad but next generation may do worse

You might need to slow down on the threats . They have never won hearts and minds of the electorate . Mt Kenya feel betrayed by Uhuru more than any other part of Kenya . Uhuru was voted in on the basis of an anti Raila Euphoria  . ODM know it and the so called BBI/Handshake was a ploy to pit Ruto against Mt Kenya , luckily Ruto can seen through the treachery and has not fallen for the trap - If he and his toy soldiers were already spitting fire like you are doing he would have already lost the Mt Kenya voting Block .
The common enemy of Rift Valley and Mt Kenya was, is and still remains Raila and Through Ruto He will be defeated come  2022 .

I  am political pundit.Why would you think.i do threats.I am helping you understand all scenarios.My own kids are half gema

Its evident you are getting emotional over Uhurus support of BBI/Handshake - Relax - In 2010 during Referendum campaigns  Ruto and Uhuru parted ways albeit for a short period . By Ruto opposing the constitution and making him the supreme leader of Riftvalley made Jubilee win 2013 elections and now by Uhuru making the blunders he is doing  has made Mt Kenya identify with Ruto and he is the President in waiting .

You clearly don't know me

Going with latest post you are writing its evident you want a certain group of people harmed if Uhuru betrays Ruto. Ruto is in a good place and will be fine whatever the case and actually based on 2002 and 2013 election experience support by incumbent is not good at all. Uhuru and Ruto having being on that side in 2002 when Moi supported Uhuru and tjem being good learners I dont think they will make the same mistake.

[Nowayhaha]

You cannot unite Kenya by goading kalenjin and kikuyu war.This has potential of creating a million idps in a day.That is why ambassador from Western countries are always at Ruto office

They are there to feel him out. I really pity you guys. By the way all Kikuyus in RV are pro ruto on basis of avoiding eviction. it will be sad for them to be victimized after they support Ruto

And kalenjin are stupid..they allow you to live in their land. And Ruto after staying so loyal to be abused.Kalenjjn are a volcano.. you might see an useless mountain but be careful.The day they erupt in few hours you would be claiming they are trained in north Korea or isreal.Kalenjin now have a million youths..be very afraid.Kalenjim are capable of the worst atrocities..kuambaa was bad but next generation may do worse

You might need to slow down on the threats . They have never won hearts and minds of the electorate . Mt Kenya feel betrayed by Uhuru more than any other part of Kenya . Uhuru was voted in on the basis of an anti Raila Euphoria  . ODM know it and the so called BBI/Handshake was a ploy to pit Ruto against Mt Kenya , luckily Ruto can seen through the treachery and has not fallen for the trap - If he and his toy soldiers were already spitting fire like you are doing he would have already lost the Mt Kenya voting Block .
The common enemy of Rift Valley and Mt Kenya was, is and still remains Raila and Through Ruto He will be defeated come  2022 .

This is not about Peasants.. This about rich and elites.

Peasants will wait for direction and they will take the direction that is decided for them

GEMA oligarchs are playing their cards through Uhuru

Western Alliance are playing theirs through Raila, Mudavadi

Kamba thru Kalonzo

Coast thru Joho

One thing for sure is that Kalenjins want their land back and they will get it one way of the other.. GEMA oligarchs can allow. I think it will be in the long term interests of Kikuyu oligarchs to let all Kikuyus in RV relocate to Central.. We can urbanize and industrialize quickly using this dispossessed labor. By t.. We he way few rich Kikuyus reinvest in RV enclaves that kalenjins are majority so the loss of 2007 wont be likely repeated ..the kikuyu peasant will return to RV during peacetime to extract and runaway during elections

Unlike Nyanza where Railas family controls the masses .In Mt Kenya thats not the case - Take for example 92 Elections the Mt Kenya Oligarx  were vouching for Kibaki only for the masses to vote for Matiba , In 2002 The Mt Kenya Oligarx were vauching for Uhuru only for the masses to vote Kibaki and in 2013 The oilgarx were vauching for Mudavadi only for the masses to vote for Uhuru. From this example you can clearly see on both sides when the oligarx sponsored Kibaki and Uhuru  the Mt Kenya masses voted for a different candidate  . In the occasion when the masses voted for them it was not because Mt Kenya masses had an agenda in 2002 to defeat Moi and anybody who had Mois support and and in 2013  To ensure Raila doesnt get power - On the last bit the mission is still on .

Lol - Matiba was an Oligarch. He had to Marry Musa Gitau Daughter to be accepted in Kiambu Oligarchy. He actually Literally Got married by Musa Gitau, he left his birth place and moved to Kiambu..

All major politicians are oligarchs if you understand the meaning of oligarch from Raila to Uhuru to Ruto. That being said my point was that Mt Kenya people decide their kingpin on their own . The times oligarchy tried to install a kingpin on them they always vote for another one with valid reasons not because of being told elect this one.

[RV Pundit]

Predicting that something could happen is not wanting. What we know for sure is any serious fallout btw Kalenjin and Kikuyus will be settled in the usual manner.

Going with latest post you are writing its evident you want a certain group of people harmed if Uhuru betrays Ruto. Ruto is in a good place and will be fine whatever the case and actually based on 2002 and 2013 election experience support by incumbent is not good at all. Uhuru and Ruto having being on that side in 2002 when Moi supported Uhuru and tjem being good learners I dont think they will make the same mistake.

[KenyanPlato]

Nowayah
You really under estimate the power these families. You can see how unknown family like musa gitau can influence even academics. They mould and determine who joins their class.

[Nowayhaha]

Predicting that something could happen is not wanting. What we know for sure is any serious fallout btw Kalenjin and Kikuyus will be settled in the usual manner.

Going with latest post you are writing its evident you want a certain group of people harmed if Uhuru betrays Ruto. Ruto is in a good place and will be fine whatever the case and actually based on 2002 and 2013 election experience support by incumbent is not good at all. Uhuru and Ruto having being on that side in 2002 when Moi supported Uhuru and tjem being good learners I dont think they will make the same mistake.

I think the 2 people who have unified Rift Valley and Mt Kenya is Uhuru and Ruto . Uhuru being the common factor Lets give ceedit where it deserves  all the time Uhuru ran for presidency 2002 ,2013 & 2017 Rift valley have voted him to the man and all these times Ruto has been on his side.
I dont think Uhuru and Ruto are that naive after all the gains to create an atmosphere which might lead to violence in those 2 communities and specifiacally speaking with Ruto just a step away from state house cant afford to let that happen. You have seen how he has managed the ambush of his foot soldiers . If you have carefully followed Rutos political journey the only time he seemed to have been cornered was in 2007 elections when he wanted Kalonzo to vie for ODMs post instead of Raila and by 2009 he had managed to wrestle Rift Valley from Raila actually he managed even to make Rift Valley forgive and support Kibaki and vice versa to Raila. I told you before Ruto has more support from Mt Kenya than Rift Valley .

[Nowayhaha]

Nowayah
You really under estimate the power these families. You can see how unknown family like musa gitau can influence even academics. They mould and determine who joins their class.

Im just showcasing how these families so called influence is limited to their circles when ot comes to real elections. The only time they benefir is if the masses identify and makes one of them a kingpin.
In 2013 Uhuru was so scared that he decided it fit to leave the mantle to Mudavadi. When he was on the mission of selling Mudavadi to Mt Kenya through Radio shows , he was told by the callers that they were ready to go to opposition if thats what it takes for him to fight out with Raila.
The so called families had settled for Mudavadi the masses wanted Uhuru and Ruto.

[Kichwa]

We said it a long time ago that Ouru will dump Ruto.  When Ruto came up with the dynasty v. Hustler war he had already known that he was being dumped because of his peasantry upbringing and that is why he panicked and started campaigning too early and compounding the problem. Kenya is not ready for a peasantry revolution just yet and that is why the Dynasties are winning this war.

Predicting that something could happen is not wanting. What we know for sure is any serious fallout btw Kalenjin and Kikuyus will be settled in the usual manner.

Going with latest post you are writing its evident you want a certain group of people harmed if Uhuru betrays Ruto. Ruto is in a good place and will be fine whatever the case and actually based on 2002 and 2013 election experience support by incumbent is not good at all. Uhuru and Ruto having being on that side in 2002 when Moi supported Uhuru and tjem being good learners I dont think they will make the same mistake.

I think the 2 people who have unified Rift Valley and Mt Kenya is Uhuru and Ruto . Uhuru being the common factor Lets give ceedit where it deserves  all the time Uhuru ran for presidency 2002 ,2013 & 2017 Rift valley have voted him to the man and all these times Ruto has been on his side.
I dont think Uhuru and Ruto are that naive after all the gains to create an atmosphere which might lead to violence in those 2 communities and specifiacally speaking with Ruto just a step away from state house cant afford to let that happen. You have seen how he has managed the ambush of his foot soldiers . If you have carefully followed Rutos political journey the only time he seemed to have been cornered was in 2007 elections when he wanted Kalonzo to vie for ODMs post instead of Raila and by 2009 he had managed to wrestle Rift Valley from Raila actually he managed even to make Rift Valley forgive and support Kibaki and vice versa to Raila. I told you before Ruto has more support from Mt Kenya than Rift Valley .

[Nowayhaha]

We said it a long time ago that Ouru will dump Ruto.  When Ruto came up with the dynasty v. Hustler war he had already known that he was being dumped because of his peasantry upbringing and that is why he panicked and started campaigning too early and compounding the problem. Kenya is not ready for a peasantry revolution just yet and that is why the Dynasties are winning this war.

Predicting that something could happen is not wanting. What we know for sure is any serious fallout btw Kalenjin and Kikuyus will be settled in the usual manner.

Going with latest post you are writing its evident you want a certain group of people harmed if Uhuru betrays Ruto. Ruto is in a good place and will be fine whatever the case and actually based on 2002 and 2013 election experience support by incumbent is not good at all. Uhuru and Ruto having being on that side in 2002 when Moi supported Uhuru and tjem being good learners I dont think they will make the same mistake.

I think the 2 people who have unified Rift Valley and Mt Kenya is Uhuru and Ruto . Uhuru being the common factor Lets give ceedit where it deserves  all the time Uhuru ran for presidency 2002 ,2013 & 2017 Rift valley have voted him to the man and all these times Ruto has been on his side.
I dont think Uhuru and Ruto are that naive after all the gains to create an atmosphere which might lead to violence in those 2 communities and specifiacally speaking with Ruto just a step away from state house cant afford to let that happen. You have seen how he has managed the ambush of his foot soldiers . If you have carefully followed Rutos political journey the only time he seemed to have been cornered was in 2007 elections when he wanted Kalonzo to vie for ODMs post instead of Raila and by 2009 he had managed to wrestle Rift Valley from Raila actually he managed even to make Rift Valley forgive and support Kibaki and vice versa to Raila. I told you before Ruto has more support from Mt Kenya than Rift Valley .

So Uhuru outgoing president dumps a potential incoming president. The 2022 political players are Ruto and Raila .If Uhuru tries to show that he is leaving the mantle to Ruto with blunders he has made might actually spoil for Ruto. As at now Ruto has played it very well. Next he need to distance himself from Uhuru . Same way Uhuru did eith Kibaki , Hit the ground campaigning as from 2021.

[RV Pundit]

Yes, Ruto is realistic. Kalenjin wanted Raila because their beef with Kibaki was huge they felt Kalonzo was not going to exact the revenge they wanted. Raila had a bigger axe to grind. So around 2007  April Kalenjin basically dumped Kalonzo - as Raila went to Kass fm everytime to build support.

Ruto wanted Kalonzo because Kalonzo was going to win in rig proof margins. Raila screwed it up. He should have accepted to be ODM-K PM but Kibaki had lied to him..so he was scared of a repeat.

Ruto told Raila in clear terms that only Kalonzo could beat Kibaki in margins that would be impossible to top up.

Raila cried about being Luos and sijui bla bla. They then beseeched Ruto in Karen and he accepted. Kalonzo bolted out with his 8% and Kibaki survived.

Ruto lived to regret that decision. He allowed emotions to overcome him. My MOAS for 2007 had Raila winning by 45-% with Kibaki at 42-45%. Kibaki rigged it! 2% was easy to bridge.

Kibaki had lost the referendum in huge margins he couldn't rig it...so 2007 was supposed to be a repeat.

I think the 2 people who have unified Rift Valley and Mt Kenya is Uhuru and Ruto . Uhuru being the common factor Lets give ceedit where it deserves  all the time Uhuru ran for presidency 2002 ,2013 & 2017 Rift valley have voted him to the man and all these times Ruto has been on his side.
I dont think Uhuru and Ruto are that naive after all the gains to create an atmosphere which might lead to violence in those 2 communities and specifiacally speaking with Ruto just a step away from state house cant afford to let that happen. You have seen how he has managed the ambush of his foot soldiers . If you have carefully followed Rutos political journey the only time he seemed to have been cornered was in 2007 elections when he wanted Kalonzo to vie for ODMs post instead of Raila and by 2009 he had managed to wrestle Rift Valley from Raila actually he managed even to make Rift Valley forgive and support Kibaki and vice versa to Raila. I told you before Ruto has more support from Mt Kenya than Rift Valley .

[RV Pundit]

Uhuru became legit when he assisted Kikuyus during PEV and took a direct hit with ICC. That was his comeback move otherwise he would have struggled. For Kikuyus he was no longer a rich entitled boy like now but was LEGIT.

Im just showcasing how these families so called influence is limited to their circles when ot comes to real elections. The only time they benefir is if the masses identify and makes one of them a kingpin.
In 2013 Uhuru was so scared that he decided it fit to leave the mantle to Mudavadi. When he was on the mission of selling Mudavadi to Mt Kenya through Radio shows , he was told by the callers that they were ready to go to opposition if thats what it takes for him to fight out with Raila.
The so called families had settled for Mudavadi the masses wanted Uhuru and Ruto.

[Garliv]

Rigging aside; Kalonzo FIGHTING ALONE FOR HIS 8% MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN 2007.  The best thing for Kibaki/Mt. Kenya as by then Raila/ODM were extremely toxic towards Kikuyus. Reason 41 vs 1 became a rallying cry..

And he was handsomely funded by the same Kibaki group. If he had joined ODM, then the results would have been like 2005 Referendum.

Yes, Ruto is realistic. Kalenjin wanted Raila because their beef with Kibaki was huge they felt Kalonzo was not going to exact the revenge they wanted. Raila had a bigger axe to grind. So around 2007  April Kalenjin basically dumped Kalonzo - as Raila went to Kass fm everytime to build support.

Ruto wanted Kalonzo because Kalonzo was going to win in rig proof margins. Raila screwed it up. He should have accepted to be ODM-K PM but Kibaki had lied to him..so he was scared of a repeat.

Ruto told Raila in clear terms that only Kalonzo could beat Kibaki in margins that would be impossible to top up.

Raila cried about being Luos and sijui bla bla. They then beseeched Ruto in Karen and he accepted. Kalonzo bolted out with his 8% and Kibaki survived.

Ruto lived to regret that decision. He allowed emotions to overcome him. My MOAS for 2007 had Raila winning by 45-% with Kibaki at 42-45%. Kibaki rigged it! 2% was easy to bridge.

Kibaki had lost the referendum in huge margins he couldn't rig it...so 2007 was supposed to be a repeat.

I think the 2 people who have unified Rift Valley and Mt Kenya is Uhuru and Ruto . Uhuru being the common factor Lets give ceedit where it deserves  all the time Uhuru ran for presidency 2002 ,2013 & 2017 Rift valley have voted him to the man and all these times Ruto has been on his side.
I dont think Uhuru and Ruto are that naive after all the gains to create an atmosphere which might lead to violence in those 2 communities and specifiacally speaking with Ruto just a step away from state house cant afford to let that happen. You have seen how he has managed the ambush of his foot soldiers . If you have carefully followed Rutos political journey the only time he seemed to have been cornered was in 2007 elections when he wanted Kalonzo to vie for ODMs post instead of Raila and by 2009 he had managed to wrestle Rift Valley from Raila actually he managed even to make Rift Valley forgive and support Kibaki and vice versa to Raila. I told you before Ruto has more support from Mt Kenya than Rift Valley .

[Garliv]

Truth be told; Since 2017 Elections,  Raila is the GREATEST WINNER in this Uhuru/Ruto/Raila saga. He was protesting, making lots of noise and being teargassed but after Handshake he has become powerborker. He's the like the Catholic Priests who sits in that dark confession box and listens to all your sins then INTERCEDES for your forgiveness. He has made loads of cash through pay offs; he his "feared" by almost everyone because he has direct line/24/7 to President. Raila's decree is like presidential order. His ODM party is unofficially the ruling party.
Then Raila's political machine is intact. While Uhuru and Ruto deflate Jubilee to plastic tent of bickering shrews, Raila/ODM are laughing it off. They are intact. They are planning on getting into government through GNU. BLESS THEM...

On the other hand, Ruto is the Greates Loser. We all expected him to be heir-apparent, to have an easier time as he constructed his 2022 campaign/coalition. He was expected to be the one playing politics and keeping Raila noisemaker at bay while Uhuru REIGNED IN PEACE waiting for his term to end. Now due to the worst backstabbing in Kenya's political history, Ruto finds himself silenced and marooned within his offices as he COMPLETELY CHANGES his plans and how he approach 2022.

Uhuru was expected to be President; top dog. He was expected to keep politicking to a minimum as he CONCENTRATED ON ACHIEVING HIS BIG 4 AGENDA. And finally retire a relaxed Son of Jomo whether with St. Annie Waiguru, or Kanze Dena or constitute a harem. Now we have him joining RAO to scheme to stay longer in power. He swings his executive rungu like an angry gorilla. He wants everyone to follow his edicts or he unsheath his sword. He has become a RAO dependant in terms of politics in Senate and National Assembly but he smiles like a Cheshire Cat SURE OF HIMSELF THAT HE WILL BE IN POWER CIRCLES FOR A WHILE TO COME.

So, If tomorrow RAO is "dumped", he actually won't be a loser. He can as easily switch his political machine to opposition mode and try make alliances. Throughout that period he has recouped his campaign fees and more. He has enjoyed power even if not constitutionally. So he would be okay..

For Uhuru, if all fails he can retire and claim he brought Raila close so as to "stabilize the country" without him having any other agenda. He would have served his 10years in power as President.

For Ruto, it's a bit difficult. He's heir-apparent and anything short of taking over would be seen as a loss. He cannot create an alliance with Raila unless he is to back Raila for President, but what he would be doing is DENYING HIMSELF A CHANCE TO PRESIDENT WHEN FACTORS FAVOURS HIM.   

All in all, unbiased look at what has transpired since Handshake is that UHURU HAS MESSED RUTO BIGLY. Ruto consolation is that the Wanjikus in some key regions are mostly with him. And if he wins in 2022 HE WILL EMERGE AS THE GREATEST WINNER.

Well conjecture vs news as usual. Uhuru is perceiving a "constitutional moment" - it's on YouTube - Raila and ODM dream day and night about referendum. What evidence backs your take - referendum budget?

[Nefertiti]

Garliv at least you are abit objective unlike our resident "expert." What is your take on the avalanche of GEMA decamping from Ruto to Handshake. And Echesas. Is it "strategic retreat" or a miscarriage of the stillborn hustler movement?