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Re: Dr Peter Gathenge replaces Geoffrey Mwangi as NHIF CEO
« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2020, 10:08:22 AM »
Not even a nyef from Raila or Mr 50-50. Expect Kibaki era tribalism as everyone salivates for the Mt Kenya vote.


Ndii is as bitter as Miguna. But at least he is not persona non grata. His hatred of Kenyatta is legendary. I heard something about a blood feud. He even whines about Uhuru addressing Kameme.

On this one he is right.

Baba kwisa siba so apana nyoko nyoko.

Babu sold Luos for 30 pieces of silver. Ndii thinks that was damn too cheap seeing he had 48% of Kenya behind him

No, Ndii is wrong and shortsighted as always. Raila cannot criticize Uhuru or Kikuyu now and neither can Ruto. Mdvd should be doing that if he wasn't so confused. For the two horses that would be an own goal.

Why not? Why can’t he criticize? He sold his soul to the devil
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Re: Dr Peter Gathenge replaces Geoffrey Mwangi as NHIF CEO
« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2020, 11:37:09 AM »
Why not? Why can’t he criticize? He sold his soul to the devil
Swali tu: If Uhuru is the devil, why did you vote for him? He's angelic enough for you to make him president but the devil when Raila makes a deal with him? Interesting how that logic works. Is Raila the only Kenyan expected to be responsible, in your view? At least Raila made the deal to try and get a parliamentary system. What was your reason for supporting the person you see as the devil?

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Re: Dr Peter Gathenge replaces Geoffrey Mwangi as NHIF CEO
« Reply #42 on: April 11, 2020, 12:20:29 PM »
Not even a nyef from Raila or Mr 50-50. Expect Kibaki era tribalism as everyone salivates for the Mt Kenya vote.


Ndii is as bitter as Miguna. But at least he is not persona non grata. His hatred of Kenyatta is legendary. I heard something about a blood feud. He even whines about Uhuru addressing Kameme.

On this one he is right.

Baba kwisa siba so apana nyoko nyoko.

Babu sold Luos for 30 pieces of silver. Ndii thinks that was damn too cheap seeing he had 48% of Kenya behind him

No, Ndii is wrong and shortsighted as always. Raila cannot criticize Uhuru or Kikuyu now and neither can Ruto. Mdvd should be doing that if he wasn't so confused. For the two horses that would be an own goal.

Why not? Why can’t he criticize? He sold his soul to the devil

It's called strategy. duhh
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Re: Dr Peter Gathenge replaces Geoffrey Mwangi as NHIF CEO
« Reply #43 on: April 11, 2020, 12:22:10 PM »
Why not? Why can’t he criticize? He sold his soul to the devil
Swali tu: If Uhuru is the devil, why did you vote for him? He's angelic enough for you to make him president but the devil when Raila makes a deal with him? Interesting how that logic works. Is Raila the only Kenyan expected to be responsible, in your view? At least Raila made the deal to try and get a parliamentary system. What was your reason for supporting the person you see as the devil?

 8) 8) catch pastor dead answering this one
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Re: Dr Peter Gathenge replaces Geoffrey Mwangi as NHIF CEO
« Reply #44 on: April 11, 2020, 06:22:00 PM »
Why not? Why can’t he criticize? He sold his soul to the devil
Swali tu: If Uhuru is the devil, why did you vote for him? He's angelic enough for you to make him president but the devil when Raila makes a deal with him? Interesting how that logic works. Is Raila the only Kenyan expected to be responsible, in your view? At least Raila made the deal to try and get a parliamentary system. What was your reason for supporting the person you see as the devil?

I voted for Baba check out my kura :D
So forget about the ‘interesting logic’.

I’m not sure you understood where Ndii is coming from. Someone lamented in a tweet the unfairness of sidestepping a Luo three years in acting position only to award a Kikuyu. Ndii remarked that Luos would not be protesting as Baba went to bed with Uhunye.

Tribalism should be called our wherever and whenever, and this particular appointment follows a pattern of tribalism. The loudest protests of tribalism would naturally come from the victims who are Luos in this case.

It’s not the handshake that is the problem, but rather how little it has helped Luos. At least the NARA had tangible fruit.  Now they can’t lament even as they are being screwed simply because Baba has gone mute.


Here’s some tweets to help you appreciate where he is coming from
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Re: Dr Peter Gathenge replaces Geoffrey Mwangi as NHIF CEO
« Reply #45 on: April 11, 2020, 06:34:32 PM »
Njamba your curiosity of experiences of the underprivileged seems restricted to Kisii, Luhya and "others". But you have gigantic rosy blinkers for the log in the typical life of the Kikuyu hoi polloi. It's a superiority complex.

He does have an interesting take.  Reminds me of a guy from RCB called mugikuyu; but this guy was obsessed with foreskins.
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Re: Dr Peter Gathenge replaces Geoffrey Mwangi as NHIF CEO
« Reply #46 on: April 11, 2020, 06:53:44 PM »
Njamba your curiosity of experiences of the underprivileged seems restricted to Kisii, Luhya and "others". But you have gigantic rosy blinkers for the log in the typical life of the Kikuyu hoi polloi. It's a superiority complex.

There is a lot of literature on Kikuyu under class. Ngugi, Meja Mwangi, Kiramiti and others have done a comprehensive job of documenting this class. In my area I would extreme poverty rate at about 10 percent, Most of these people in 10 percent have other issues holding them from achieving their potential.

You see the fact that my area is just 25 miles from Nairoibi gives people from the area a lot of options.

I am fascinated by the other tribes because I can for sure see how Marginalization has put them in a pit that they wont easily dig themselves from.

You see being a Kikuyu in Kenya of yore was such a privilege. You could bid for a contract, meet a senior manager like Matiba and be able to sell your business idea and walk out of his office with a contract worthy millions. It happened to my dad's childhood friend. he walked to KBL. When it came to lucrative businesses such distributorships of Cigarrettes and Alcohol my people had unfettered access to this licensing.

RAILA has realized that he is fight a losing battle and decided to cash in, Now small tribes will have to hope that devolution of morsel saves them

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Re: Dr Peter Gathenge replaces Geoffrey Mwangi as NHIF CEO
« Reply #47 on: April 11, 2020, 09:54:05 PM »
I voted for Baba check out my kura :D
So forget about the ‘interesting logic’.

Pastor, unlike Pundit who likes to brag, I do actually have an excellent memory for things people say. Stop pulling our collective leg.

https://nipate.net/index.php?topic=4780.msg35126#msg35126

If I have to,I'll vote Jubilee because NASWA hasn't given me a better offer.

Babu without blinking declared his coalition as clean. Even Ndii would scoff at that. The commitment to fight corruption are just to hoodwink idiots. They've no intention of doing nothing. NASWA defends corrupt governors, latest one being Oparanya.

I think Mutahi Ngunyi is right, Babu would rather the country burn if he can't get in. All these rumors of KDF,NIS....discredit IEBC, refuse to go to court, stage 'peaceful protests',pressure Uhuru to resign. The script is clear. Juzi they said the only acceptable outcome of a free and fair election is a NASWA victory. Dangerous negroes these ones. They are good or as bad as Jubilee but this desperation does not inspire love for the country.

The final reason I won't support NASWA is it's clear they are losing. Any vote for them is a wasted vote, no different from voting Aukot

I'm voting Uhunye,Sonko,Sakaja,Passaris,Ken Okoth, and the most handsome/pretty MCA

U're lucky I don't have Nuttydreadlock's weird tolerance for digging through the archives. I remember you announcing who you had voted for after voting: It was not Baba.:D U also used to call him Babu too, as a pejorative, so cut the Baba thing, lol.

And I didn't say anything about Ndii's opinion, btw. I just saw your comment and thought, WaKenya kweli. The most entitled voters on the planet: Willfully throw your weight behind someone you acknowledge to be bad—Very bad; yaani, REFUSE to check a bad govt by punishing them at the polls (which would only make the new govt and the political culture better even if they end up making mistakes too), then sit back comfortably and expect yule mtu to do that checking for you kwa utakatifu wake tu and a bit of magic, he he. :D

Ndii has a right to his opinion, but I respectfully submit that YOU do not have a moral right to "share" that opinion. After all, if Uhuru was good enough for you to vote for, he cannot be too bad for Baba to make a deal with after Uhuru already nyakuad that power, legitimately or otherwise—thanks to people like you—and the opposition had very few options left going forward.

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Re: Dr Peter Gathenge replaces Geoffrey Mwangi as NHIF CEO
« Reply #48 on: April 11, 2020, 11:15:53 PM »
Btw, hapo chini kwa that same link/thread, u said this to Robina, just two weeks to the polls:
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Jubilee doesn't excite me any bit, and for a while I was beginning to believe opposition was a real and better alternative till I realized they are just as corrupt. If there is one thing I can't imagine it is an opposition minus Babu. He does the job so well and has no equal. But for his vigilance, Jubilee would have sold us for a morsel of bread.

Look at this tweet which was pulled down. The idea is NASWA can only be rigged out. This is not chest thumping but incitement, come Nane Nane and half of Kenya is fed with this incendiary, you think they will go to court? This is not a slip of the tongue, this is Babu's strategy. It's desperate yes but very dangerous. It's why I badly want Jubilee to win by a huge margin

Patel likes to say, 'Mkule ujeuri wenu,' to complaining Jubilants, and I think it's a fair retort to 'reluctant' Jubilants too.

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Re: Dr Peter Gathenge replaces Geoffrey Mwangi as NHIF CEO
« Reply #49 on: April 11, 2020, 11:48:36 PM »
Haha. Tangatanga lot are in a tough spot. How canoodling with their party leader is evil yet they had a 50-50 deal for 5 years.

vooke is Ruto damu like Pundit.
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Re: Dr Peter Gathenge replaces Geoffrey Mwangi as NHIF CEO
« Reply #50 on: April 12, 2020, 07:30:04 AM »
I voted for Baba check out my kura :D
So forget about the ‘interesting logic’.

Pastor, unlike Pundit who likes to brag, I do actually have an excellent memory for things people say. Stop pulling our collective leg.

https://nipate.net/index.php?topic=4780.msg35126#msg35126

If I have to,I'll vote Jubilee because NASWA hasn't given me a better offer.

Babu without blinking declared his coalition as clean. Even Ndii would scoff at that. The commitment to fight corruption are just to hoodwink idiots. They've no intention of doing nothing. NASWA defends corrupt governors, latest one being Oparanya.

I think Mutahi Ngunyi is right, Babu would rather the country burn if he can't get in. All these rumors of KDF,NIS....discredit IEBC, refuse to go to court, stage 'peaceful protests',pressure Uhuru to resign. The script is clear. Juzi they said the only acceptable outcome of a free and fair election is a NASWA victory. Dangerous negroes these ones. They are good or as bad as Jubilee but this desperation does not inspire love for the country.

The final reason I won't support NASWA is it's clear they are losing. Any vote for them is a wasted vote, no different from voting Aukot

I'm voting Uhunye,Sonko,Sakaja,Passaris,Ken Okoth, and the most handsome/pretty MCA

U're lucky I don't have Nuttydreadlock's weird tolerance for digging through the archives. I remember you announcing who you had voted for after voting: It was not Baba.:D U also used to call him Babu too, as a pejorative, so cut the Baba thing, lol.

And I didn't say anything about Ndii's opinion, btw. I just saw your comment and thought, WaKenya kweli. The most entitled voters on the planet: Willfully throw your weight behind someone you acknowledge to be bad—Very bad; yaani, REFUSE to check a bad govt by punishing them at the polls (which would only make the new govt and the political culture better even if they end up making mistakes too), then sit back comfortably and expect yule mtu to do that checking for you kwa utakatifu wake tu and a bit of magic, he he. :D

Ndii has a right to his opinion, but I respectfully submit that YOU do not have a moral right to "share" that opinion. After all, if Uhuru was good enough for you to vote for, he cannot be too bad for Baba to make a deal with after Uhuru already nyakuad that power, legitimately or otherwise—thanks to people like you—and the opposition had very few options left going forward.

I voted for Babu. I showed you my vote. There’s what I said and what I did.

But this is not about my choices but the fact that Luos would never bark at injustices even against their own in this post-handchieth era. And once again, this is not about the merits of the deal he struck with Uhunye but just how it has dulled their sensitivity to injustice. Buy Babu get Luos free :lolz:

You can try harder minimizing his point by labeling them opinion
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Re: Dr Peter Gathenge replaces Geoffrey Mwangi as NHIF CEO
« Reply #51 on: April 12, 2020, 07:31:17 AM »
Btw, hapo chini kwa that same link/thread, u said this to Robina, just two weeks to the polls:
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Jubilee doesn't excite me any bit, and for a while I was beginning to believe opposition was a real and better alternative till I realized they are just as corrupt. If there is one thing I can't imagine it is an opposition minus Babu. He does the job so well and has no equal. But for his vigilance, Jubilee would have sold us for a morsel of bread.

Look at this tweet which was pulled down. The idea is NASWA can only be rigged out. This is not chest thumping but incitement, come Nane Nane and half of Kenya is fed with this incendiary, you think they will go to court? This is not a slip of the tongue, this is Babu's strategy. It's desperate yes but very dangerous. It's why I badly want Jubilee to win by a huge margin

Patel likes to say, 'Mkule ujeuri wenu,' to complaining Jubilants, and I think it's a fair retort to 'reluctant' Jubilants too.

I don’t what how pulling these links helps with anything Ndii said on Luos. Does it make it false?
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Re: Dr Peter Gathenge replaces Geoffrey Mwangi as NHIF CEO
« Reply #52 on: April 12, 2020, 07:32:57 AM »
Haha. Tangatanga lot are in a tough spot. How canoodling with their party leader is evil yet they had a 50-50 deal for 5 years.

vooke is Ruto damu like Pundit.

I’m done voting. Never rooting for nobody in a charade.

But before Covid-19 I was almost convinced Ruto was sleepwalking to power.
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« Reply #53 on: April 12, 2020, 08:47:32 AM »

I voted for Babu. I showed you my vote. There’s what I said and what I did.

That's a ballot you've shown. Your support was clearly Jubilee.

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But this is not about my choices but the fact that Luos would never bark at injustices even against their own in this post-handchieth era.
Nah, for me it's about how Kenyans like you think they have no role but to point fingers and complain. Like I said, I said nothing about Ndii. And if you don't know, I'm a huge fan and follower (of Ndii), so poesha boli.

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And once again, this is not about the merits of the deal he struck with Uhunye but just how it has dulled their sensitivity to injustice. Buy Babu get Luos free :lolz:

You can try harder minimizing his point by labeling them opinion

They are an opinion, of course, an interpretation of facts, not a fact—And that's a fact. :D That you think all other interpretations are automatically inadmissible doesn't magically make it so.

For example, we all know Uhuru is trying his hardest to steal back his Kikuyu base from Ruto, so all his focus is on that. Raila's priority is that Uhuru sees the BBI through; so he won't say zip. That's pragmatics and makes perfect sense IF he's goal is the sweeping changes he hopes Uhuru will push through. His base supports him because they trust his intentions are of long-term good, short-term sacrifices. No one really expects Raila appointees now. We want to see if we have a new parliamentary system by 2022. THEN we will know if Baba has been played and Uhuru is just being a typical tribalist rather than a tactician, or if things are as simple as Raila no longer minding who gets appointed as you insist is the only way to read this—Quite a simplistic take; as if these people do not have a long history to contextualize their choices in the circumstances. Pole. We are not all so focussed on demonizing Raila at every opportunity to be blind to every other read on things.

Ndii no longer trusts Baba. The Kenyattas are the embodiment of Kenyan political evil (plutocracy) to him; making a deal with them is as good as making a deal with the devil. He is very consistent in that view (unlike you). Ndii has every right to treat deal-making with the Kenyattas as an evil, and is not the only one: Hence his take. But many of us have moved from full apathy post-handshake to wait-and-see BBI, because we see a scarier outcome than brazen plutocracy: Despotism. Indeed, that seems to be the bet Raila and crew have made: Better the plutocrats than the wannabe despot.

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« Reply #54 on: April 12, 2020, 10:01:23 AM »

I voted for Babu. I showed you my vote. There’s what I said and what I did.

That's a ballot you've shown. Your support was clearly Jubilee.

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But this is not about my choices but the fact that Luos would never bark at injustices even against their own in this post-handchieth era.
Nah, for me it's about how Kenyans like you think they have no role but to point fingers and complain. Like I said, I said nothing about Ndii. And if you don't know, I'm a huge fan and follower (of Ndii), so poesha boli.

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And once again, this is not about the merits of the deal he struck with Uhunye but just how it has dulled their sensitivity to injustice. Buy Babu get Luos free :lolz:

You can try harder minimizing his point by labeling them opinion

They are an opinion, of course, an interpretation of facts, not a fact—And that's a fact. :D That you think all other interpretations are automatically inadmissible doesn't magically make it so.

For example, we all know Uhuru is trying his hardest to steal back his Kikuyu base from Ruto, so all his focus is on that. Raila's priority is that Uhuru sees the BBI through; so he won't say zip. That's pragmatics and makes perfect sense IF he's goal is the sweeping changes he hopes Uhuru will push through. His base supports him because they trust his intentions are of long-term good, short-term sacrifices. No one really expects Raila appointees now. We want to see if we have a new parliamentary system by 2022. THEN we will know if Baba has been played and Uhuru is just being a typical tribalist rather than a tactician, or if things are as simple as Raila no longer minding who gets appointed as you insist is the only way to read this—Quite a simplistic take; as if these people do not have a long history to contextualize their choices in the circumstances. Pole. We are not all so focussed on demonizing Raila at every opportunity to be blind to every other read on things.

Ndii no longer trusts Baba. The Kenyattas are the embodiment of Kenyan political evil (plutocracy) to him; making a deal with them is as good as making a deal with the devil. He is very consistent in that view (unlike you). Ndii has every right to treat deal-making with the Kenyattas as an evil, and is not the only one: Hence his take. But many of us have moved from full apathy post-handshake to wait-and-see BBI, because we see a scarier outcome than brazen plutocracy: Despotism. Indeed, that seems to be the bet Raila and crew have made: Better the plutocrats than the wannabe despot.

That’s all that matters. I ignore everything else.

Babu is gagged,and so are Luos :D

His fans/apologists imagine it’s for a greater good. Wishful thinking at its best

Thanks for agreeing with Ndii’s factual observations
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Re: Dr Peter Gathenge replaces Geoffrey Mwangi as NHIF CEO
« Reply #55 on: April 12, 2020, 11:56:14 AM »
Not even a nyef from Raila or Mr 50-50. Expect Kibaki era tribalism as everyone salivates for the Mt Kenya vote.


That’s a pretty weak take from Ndii.  It reminds me why I muted the guy.  Nipate can use that functionality too  :D .  Ndii’s opinions usually come from a good place.  Great wit too.  But if you look at even his recent tweets, he’s now getting into the mud with socialites fighting for cheap points.   He is derailed by small things.
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« Reply #56 on: April 12, 2020, 12:17:21 PM »
Ndii is degenerating into Miguna. Look at his name - at first I thought it was a scammer.
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« Reply #57 on: April 12, 2020, 12:19:22 PM »

I voted for Babu. I showed you my vote. There’s what I said and what I did.

That's a ballot you've shown. Your support was clearly Jubilee.

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But this is not about my choices but the fact that Luos would never bark at injustices even against their own in this post-handchieth era.
Nah, for me it's about how Kenyans like you think they have no role but to point fingers and complain. Like I said, I said nothing about Ndii. And if you don't know, I'm a huge fan and follower (of Ndii), so poesha boli.

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And once again, this is not about the merits of the deal he struck with Uhunye but just how it has dulled their sensitivity to injustice. Buy Babu get Luos free :lolz:

You can try harder minimizing his point by labeling them opinion

They are an opinion, of course, an interpretation of facts, not a fact—And that's a fact. :D That you think all other interpretations are automatically inadmissible doesn't magically make it so.

For example, we all know Uhuru is trying his hardest to steal back his Kikuyu base from Ruto, so all his focus is on that. Raila's priority is that Uhuru sees the BBI through; so he won't say zip. That's pragmatics and makes perfect sense IF he's goal is the sweeping changes he hopes Uhuru will push through. His base supports him because they trust his intentions are of long-term good, short-term sacrifices. No one really expects Raila appointees now. We want to see if we have a new parliamentary system by 2022. THEN we will know if Baba has been played and Uhuru is just being a typical tribalist rather than a tactician, or if things are as simple as Raila no longer minding who gets appointed as you insist is the only way to read this—Quite a simplistic take; as if these people do not have a long history to contextualize their choices in the circumstances. Pole. We are not all so focussed on demonizing Raila at every opportunity to be blind to every other read on things.

Ndii no longer trusts Baba. The Kenyattas are the embodiment of Kenyan political evil (plutocracy) to him; making a deal with them is as good as making a deal with the devil. He is very consistent in that view (unlike you). Ndii has every right to treat deal-making with the Kenyattas as an evil, and is not the only one: Hence his take. But many of us have moved from full apathy post-handshake to wait-and-see BBI, because we see a scarier outcome than brazen plutocracy: Despotism. Indeed, that seems to be the bet Raila and crew have made: Better the plutocrats than the wannabe despot.

That’s all that matters. I ignore everything else.

Babu is gagged,and so are Luos :D

His fans/apologists imagine it’s for a greater good. Wishful thinking at its best

Thanks for agreeing with Ndii’s factual observations

No one disagreed with "factual observations," genius: It's your convenient and lazy interpretation we reject. Anything to pile on Luos, usual vookeism. :D And you didn't ignore nuffin: You just commented on the substance of my post. :D

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Re: Dr Peter Gathenge replaces Geoffrey Mwangi as NHIF CEO
« Reply #58 on: April 12, 2020, 12:32:21 PM »

I voted for Babu. I showed you my vote. There’s what I said and what I did.

That's a ballot you've shown. Your support was clearly Jubilee.

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But this is not about my choices but the fact that Luos would never bark at injustices even against their own in this post-handchieth era.
Nah, for me it's about how Kenyans like you think they have no role but to point fingers and complain. Like I said, I said nothing about Ndii. And if you don't know, I'm a huge fan and follower (of Ndii), so poesha boli.

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And once again, this is not about the merits of the deal he struck with Uhunye but just how it has dulled their sensitivity to injustice. Buy Babu get Luos free :lolz:

You can try harder minimizing his point by labeling them opinion

They are an opinion, of course, an interpretation of facts, not a fact—And that's a fact. :D That you think all other interpretations are automatically inadmissible doesn't magically make it so.

For example, we all know Uhuru is trying his hardest to steal back his Kikuyu base from Ruto, so all his focus is on that. Raila's priority is that Uhuru sees the BBI through; so he won't say zip. That's pragmatics and makes perfect sense IF he's goal is the sweeping changes he hopes Uhuru will push through. His base supports him because they trust his intentions are of long-term good, short-term sacrifices. No one really expects Raila appointees now. We want to see if we have a new parliamentary system by 2022. THEN we will know if Baba has been played and Uhuru is just being a typical tribalist rather than a tactician, or if things are as simple as Raila no longer minding who gets appointed as you insist is the only way to read this—Quite a simplistic take; as if these people do not have a long history to contextualize their choices in the circumstances. Pole. We are not all so focussed on demonizing Raila at every opportunity to be blind to every other read on things.

Ndii no longer trusts Baba. The Kenyattas are the embodiment of Kenyan political evil (plutocracy) to him; making a deal with them is as good as making a deal with the devil. He is very consistent in that view (unlike you). Ndii has every right to treat deal-making with the Kenyattas as an evil, and is not the only one: Hence his take. But many of us have moved from full apathy post-handshake to wait-and-see BBI, because we see a scarier outcome than brazen plutocracy: Despotism. Indeed, that seems to be the bet Raila and crew have made: Better the plutocrats than the wannabe despot.

That’s all that matters. I ignore everything else.

Babu is gagged,and so are Luos :D

His fans/apologists imagine it’s for a greater good. Wishful thinking at its best

Thanks for agreeing with Ndii’s factual observations

No one disagreed with "factual observations," genius: It's your convenient and lazy interpretation we reject. Anything to pile on Luos, usual vookeism. :D And you didn't ignore nuffin: You just commented on the substance of my post. :D

You  still cling to some desperate hope that Babu’s ,and by extension Luos, muted response is strategy?
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Re: Dr Peter Gathenge replaces Geoffrey Mwangi as NHIF CEO
« Reply #59 on: April 12, 2020, 01:28:08 PM »
I'm pretty sure 'Luos' along with many other Kenyans checked out of .ke kitaaambo. There are millions who wanted Rails to retire and let the country go whichever, just check out completely and let people 'eat their own ujeuri' and 'complete the journey,' to quote Patel. I was in that camp and have since become wait-and-see BBI. IF it bears fruit, it's a tiny step. If not, well then, it's no different than if Raila hadn't tried. And yes, it's very obviously strategic for Raila not to turn Uhuru big critic with Ruto waiting on the horizons and Uhuru trying to get Kyuks back. How will that work for Uhuru among his peeps if Raila started kicking him, d'u think? If Raila is half-serious about getting his BBI changes, that would be a very stupid thing for him to do.