Kiunjuri v Uhuru

[Nefertiti]

Matiang'i is Ag PORK.

[Nefertiti]

Let us talk traction. What has happened to Ruto since Handshake? How is he doing in the regions? You keep talking about Mt Kenya as if Kenya starts and ends with them. It doesn't.

The trends by region I have given you... Gema, Luhya, Gusii, NFD, Matusa, Mijikenda - Ruto has haemorrhaged support everywhere as the next-in-line and unbeatable facade has shattered. In Kibra and the numerous body blows. Gema for instance - all governors - even Waititu had surrendered by impeachment. Senators Ruto has 2 or 3 now. MPs we have Kaninis, Sabinas, etc. MCAs we have seen Kiambu mass defection enough to hang Waititu.

You can repeat this for Pwani, Gusii, etc - Kingi and the MPs have deserted Ruto - he has only Jumwa, Jicho Pevu and like 2 others now. Ole Lenku and company in Maa. I posted the link of Raila's raid of NFD. Gusii there is no even need to mention.

See? BBI does not require Gema to pass yet the trend does not even agree with your story of ground resistance. That is why Tangatanga have resorted to that propaganda about the chiefs vetting people at the stadium. That 000's of folks were vetted but there is no single video or tweet

Ruto's Gema popularity is a narrative not a reality.

1. I am on the ground. And more and more frequent I get invite to explain to some meeting what's this BBI is all about and why there is hullabaloo yet "no one is opposing it..." So i pretty much have the feel on the ground. And yes, such a boda boda rider can actually represent a more accurate picture of "how the ground is..." than some lawyer or pseudo intellectual sitting at Java over third rate coffee. Have you actually ever campaigned or ever been involved in political mobilisation? If you ever do, then you'd realise the illiterate looking villager may represent true feelings..

2. Njamba was easy to dump. Indeed honeymoon for Njamba didn't even last 2yrs. And all that acrimonious relationship with Kibaki still haunts Raila support in Mt. Kenya. That is a fact. Therefore when Uhuru brings Raila as new found political bride, there is simply dread. Believe it or not.

3. I have intimate knowledge of 2012/2013 attempt to have MaDVD as presidential candidate. In brief, Kibaki and his thinkers led by Wanjui and others thought another Kikuyu should not succeed Kibaki. And they also wanted to shape political leadership in their own image. Fyi, Jezebel was also then at the centre. So they approach MaDVD and he agreed under proviso that he would be able to bring in Luhya Nation with him. They formed UDF. I was recruited as a member. And they started mobilisation, meetings and getting influencers to market UDF and MaDVD. To cut long story short, as they were doing that they also engaged private pollsters like Synovate and also compared with NIS research on whether MaDVD can actually deliver Luhya Nation. At his peak, MaDVD had about 24% support. Then Raila and his political machine in Luhya land started dismissing MaDVD as a sellout to Kikuyu or insults like Kikuyu biiitch. His support plummeted to around 8%. By then the country was nearing election time. So some group split from Kibaki and his intellectuals and argued that "we" are going "to fall" (be defeated at the poll) to Raila by supporting MaDVD who has no home backing. They reasoned it was better to "have your own whether you win or lose". And from then on more people abandoned MaDVD and UDF. They hatched a plan to first get Uhuru to run whether he wanted or not. I have first hand knowledge so i can tell you much more including when Uhuru made his "mademoni speech". He agreed and then search for alliance begun. First was Kalonzo who was considered but he made some demands which did not correspond with his numbers. His Ukambani base was considered good but didn't have "the punch that was needed to beat 50% mark". Thereafter a deal was made with Ruto and the rest is history.
My point, things are more than they seem! So it was not a question of dismissing Raila or MaDVD just because they are not Kikuyus.

Finally, yes should Mt. Kenya abandon Ruto without justifiable reason then there would not any reason for anyone else to ever form an alliance with Mt. Kenya. Absolutely none. And you better believe it, even that bodaboda or mama soko will tell you something like this.. "Kama hatukua na Ruto 2017 hii inchi ingekua baya..." They refer to election, then annulment of that election then another election and Kenya didn't descend into chaos. Yes, NASA protested but it could have been worse.
Therefore for Uhuru's Alliance with Raila to be solid and acceptable, people must be told why they have "to abandon Ruto and embrace Raila.." That is something each time Uhuru is asked he gets angry.

[RV Pundit]

Not to me. You said that before Bomas. And you did a Pajero (disappeared) and comeback with Raila & Atwoli on BBI 2.0 - that is on rallies. When will it be launched? How will new BBI 2.0 be unleashed.

Parliamentary. Uhuru's intentions are rather clear.

[Garliv]

1. The subject is Uhuru's plan and it's acceptance in Mt. Kenya. Therefore no way to avoid mentioning and getting into Gema political intricacies.

2. Outside Gema, its you who is overestimating Raila's support. Indeed a significant percentage of his own base don't understand the final intent of BBI and why would Raila accept "Ceremonial Presidency" and give power to someone who has been wielding it for 10yrs. So by looks of things it's you who is over rating BBI acceptance.

3. Most Governors have been cowed. They don't have a choice. You keep mentioning somebody like Wa Iria and yet he has his own party ready for launch when "things cool down." Governors are also being given between 20m to 30m to organise BBI meetings. Some of that cash they must grease Baba's Office. This is no longer a secret.

4. Definitely and without a doubt County Commissioners, DCs and Chiefs are now vetting those who can attend President meetings. For example, those who attended Uhuru meeting in Nakuru Gicheha Farm were vetted by Governor Lee and County Commissioner. Then they were given 10k each. When he visited Salgaa to launch Cement Factory same Governor and County Commissioner vetted those in attendance. Most were actually akina Mama. This group didn't get anything and were really annoyed. At Nyandarua when local MP and MCA were denied entry almost half of the public walked out. You cannot read or watch such news because nowadays BBI must be shown in great light and Ruto as villain. This is obvious from media coverage. Any journalist would tell you he/she cannot file anything negative about Uhuru or Raila as some editors will just cut it out.

5. More importantly ask yourself why Uhuru's government would actually intimidate people from his own backyard? Some spend their resources and time to campaign for him and yet he is now using Nyahunyo on them. Why!?

6. And yes, County Commissioners and chiefs are used to vet also because of security reasons. Because even NIS advices the President that "the ground is hostile" and who knows some hothead may have his own idea. Now imagine having maximum security to visit your own backyard and yet he now doesn't need that in Nyanza. What does that tells you?

7. Finally, BBI success will be determined in Mt. Kenya region. Reason being, if Uhuru cannot bring Gema numbers/MPs on the table what will he be doing exactly in a Raila's coalition? It will not make sense. And when Uhuru and his delusional team realises that then they will adjust accordingly: they accept Ruto is incoming President and be prepared for it. After all they are known opportunists who can switch sides in a blink.
Alternative is for Uhuru to help Raila force through BBI amendments knowing very well he himself will have no other role.

Let us talk traction. What has happened to Ruto since Handshake? How is he doing in the regions? You keep talking about Mt Kenya as if Kenya starts and ends with them. It doesn't.

The trends by region I have given you... Gema, Luhya, Gusii, NFD, Matusa, Mijikenda - Ruto has haemorrhaged support everywhere as the next-in-line and unbeatable facade has shattered. In Kibra and the numerous body blows. Gema for instance - all governors - even Waititu had surrendered by impeachment. Senators Ruto has 2 or 3 now. MPs we have Kaninis, Sabinas, etc. MCAs we have seen Kiambu mass defection enough to hang Waititu.

You can repeat this for Pwani, Gusii, etc - Kingi and the MPs have deserted Ruto - he has only Jumwa, Jicho Pevu and like 2 others now. Ole Lenku and company in Maa. I posted the link of Raila's raid of NFD. Gusii there is no even need to mention.

See? BBI does not require Gema to pass yet the trend does not even agree with your story of ground resistance. That is why Tangatanga have resorted to that propaganda about the chiefs vetting people at the stadium. That 000's of folks were vetted but there is no single video or tweet

Ruto's Gema popularity is a narrative not a reality.

[Nefertiti]

Of course you can restrict us to Mt Kenya but BBI is a Kenyan agenda. The co-author is Luo. The arch- protagonist is Kalenjin.

1. The subject is Uhuru's plan and it's acceptance in Mt. Kenya. Therefore no way to avoid mentioning and getting into Gema political intricacies. 

I am only watching the players and their motions. Many big kahuna have fled Ruto's camp. You can google it. When it makes it into the mainstream media know it's real.

2. Outside Gema, its you who is overestimating Raila's support. Indeed a significant percentage of his own base don't understand the final intent of BBI and why would Raila accept "Ceremonial Presidency" and give power to someone who has been wielding it for 10yrs. So by looks of things it's you who is over rating BBI acceptance. 

Maybe the money. Of course they can't organize rallies from their pockets. Intimidation I thought so too but look at an event like CoG secret ballot. Ruto's crew were routed. Also the enthusiasm with which wa Iria et al are drumming BBI and trash-talking Tangatanga is abit more than just fear. Maybe the cash is alot? Politicians are greedy.

Look also at the Senate Waititu impeachment - it was a rout. That includes Mt Kenya senators - only Linturi, Kihika and I think Laikipia man backed Waititu despite Murkomen spirited attempts to save him.

Kiambu MCAs impeached Waititu - that's 2/3 yet Ruto is supposed to be wildly popular there Discuss. He is no longer the annointed one so they have re-aligned.

3. Most Governors have been cowed. They don't have a choice. You keep mentioning somebody like Wa Iria and yet he has his own party ready for launch when "things cool down." Governors are also being given between 20m to 30m to organise BBI meetings. Some of that cash they must grease Baba's Office. This is no longer a secret. 

Gicheha Farm was not a public meeting. It was chosen Kikuyu elders and Handshake crew lead by Kinyanjui. Salgaa is a Kalenjin area... not Gema. I would expect hostility if I was Uhuru.

I don't buy the media blackout stories anymore than the public vetting. Imagine a dangerous place like Dusit memes were doing rounds on Twitter... such a vetting would be all over. Nor can you bar journalists without attracting KUJ and such protests. Huo ni uongo. Also there is alot of independent and pro-Ruto media... even Raila and NASA had fair coverage in Jubilee 1.0. Except the Raila swearing-in blackout. Ruto bought K24 and Kameme or Inoro according to Pundit. However I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the various media ownerships.

Tangatanga are desperate to maintain the "tuko pamoja" lie which Uhuru wants to kill thus the nyahunyo. Uhurutopia is the oxygen for their narrative. I could be wrong to imagine they don't have a right to stalk him. Joho attempted that sometimes and faced it rough.

4. Definitely and without a doubt County Commissioners, DCs and Chiefs are now vetting those who can attend President meetings. For example, those who attended Uhuru meeting in Nakuru Gicheha Farm were vetted by Governor Lee and County Commissioner. Then they were given 10k each. When he visited Salgaa to launch Cement Factory same Governor and County Commissioner vetted those in attendance. Most were actually akina Mama. This group didn't get anything and were really annoyed. At Nyandarua when local MP and MCA were denied entry almost half of the public walked out. You cannot read or watch such news because nowadays BBI must be shown in great light and Ruto as villain. This is obvious from media coverage. Any journalist would tell you he/she cannot file anything negative about Uhuru or Raila as some editors will just cut it out. 

It is Mlolongo MPs who are being intimidated. Ruto rigged them in. Those who play neutral are not bothered. The defectors have shown unparalleled passion for BBI. Waiguru, Kinyanjui and wa Iria are serious BBI champions. A few Kaninis and Sabinas too. There were rumors about KJ but am not sure - he seems to have gone quiet. Isaak Ruto's present leaning is unconfirmed - Big Ruto sent him to RSA for stitches a while back over less weighty philosophical differences.

5. More importantly ask yourself why Uhuru's government would actually intimidate people from his own backyard? Some spend their resources and time to campaign for him and yet he is now using Nyahunyo on them. Why!? 

I have not seen the maximum security. Videos of Gema cheering Uhuru at ad hoc stopovers in  Bahati (the diaspora supposedly intoxicated with Ruto), Ol Kalou, etc are all over YouTube. They were cheering as he tore into Ruto, Kimani Ngunjiri and Tangatanga. No hostilities whatsoever. I challenged you and Pundit to demo that vetting story. Like we know Kuria was hounded in Kitui cause it was all over YouTube. Where are the videos of wananchi being vetted? Instead we have one static snap of a stadium gate. Kenyans are digital that is why we have all those unprofessional Kuria and Uhuru videos. Or Kibicho pulled them from YouTube?

No,  there is no "hostile ground" - that is Ruto propaganda. Because he has no real following.

6. And yes, County Commissioners and chiefs are used to vet also because of security reasons. Because even NIS advices the President that "the ground is hostile" and who knows some hothead may have his own idea. Now imagine having maximum security to visit your own backyard and yet he now doesn't need that in Nyanza. What does that tells you? 

Let me explain again. BBI is popular in non-Gema for the same exact reason it is unpopular in Gema: it levels the playing field. That is why Raila is having a field day marketing it. You have seen Murkomen and Kuria gate-crushing the rallies while endlessly threatening but never holding their anti-BBI counterrallies. Why pretend to support such an unpopular item? That is as ridiculous as stalking the hated Uhuru and crying about ejection. Or blaming Kimemia for their woes.

Once parliamentary is passed it will be Uhuru for PM. Gema will fall in line - it will be a stampede - forget the one-by-one filing in now. Raila is on the clock so he is ready to retire as ceremonial president. In a coalition arrangement he gets good say and patronage much better than right now where CSs appointed by Ruto are saluting him That is the ace against Ruto - willingness to sacrifice. Parliamentary and the  Uhuru contribution to bringing down Ruto are big payoffs besides that Gema are increasingly filing behind him. In any case Raila was hopeless before Trojan 2 - we were all waiting for Acting President Ruto as Uhuru sun-bathes in Hawaii.

How is Kiunjuri faring? Any massive TSP rallies?

7. Finally, BBI success will be determined in Mt. Kenya region. Reason being, if Uhuru cannot bring Gema numbers/MPs on the table what will he be doing exactly in a Raila's coalition? It will not make sense. And when Uhuru and his delusional team realises that then they will adjust accordingly: they accept Ruto is incoming President and be prepared for it. After all they are known opportunists who can switch sides in a blink.
Alternative is for Uhuru to help Raila force through BBI amendments knowing very well he himself will have no other role.

[GeeMail]

Some Kenyans once boasted all over the net about the need to block Raila presidency by any means possible. What changed? BBI needs to be shown to have even minimal support and the rest will be IEBC game. Same 2022 whoever is picked by the "deep state" to run. Ruto should know the game by now.

[Garliv]

1. Your assumption is that Uhuru/Raila pass BBI parliamentary/regional version then Kikuyus will have no choice but stampede into Raila/Uhuru Alliance. All i can say, lets wait for that day. First as Pundit keep typing, let BBI version 2 be a reality. Then we shall see.

2. BBI as it is at the moment is even acceptable to Mt. Kenya. And it makes sense to have somebody like Majority Leader as PM. He sits in the cabinet and has power and authority to demand information and updates from other government departments so as he can effectively defend government in Parliament. That's fine.
And Ruto and TangaTanga team have no problem with that. Most people don't have lots of issues with that. It's tweaking here and there to make the system work better.

3. As more and more people realize that BBI version 1 was just a ruse to introduce a more radical document, the more they hate it. The more they hate this Raila thing. They realise its Raila wanting power through the back door!

4. Don't claim BBI is popular outside Gema. One, Kalenjin and huge section of Matusa are with Ruto. So is some parts of Western and Coast. Just because people are quite doesn't mean they agree. Even Duale has finally realized what he was supporting is not what Raila/Uhuru meant. And there more like those people. Even good size of Gusii population cannot agree to Regional government thing.

You are overrating support of BBI version 2 which most people are yet to understand. Right now they realise there is something "strange about BBI" because if Uhuru, Raila and Ruto cannot build a bridge between them what about building bridges for 47m? If Moses Kuria and Murkomen cannot be allowed into meetings which bridges are being built?

Of course you can restrict us to Mt Kenya but BBI is a Kenyan agenda. The co-author is Luo. The arch- protagonist is Kalenjin.

1. The subject is Uhuru's plan and it's acceptance in Mt. Kenya. Therefore no way to avoid mentioning and getting into Gema political intricacies. 

I am only watching the players and their motions. Many big kahuna have fled Ruto's camp. You can google it. When it makes it into the mainstream media know it's real.

2. Outside Gema, its you who is overestimating Raila's support. Indeed a significant percentage of his own base don't understand the final intent of BBI and why would Raila accept "Ceremonial Presidency" and give power to someone who has been wielding it for 10yrs. So by looks of things it's you who is over rating BBI acceptance. 

Maybe the money. Of course they can't organize rallies from their pockets. Intimidation I thought so too but look at an event like CoG secret ballot. Ruto's crew were routed. Also the enthusiasm with which wa Iria et al are drumming BBI and trash-talking Tangatanga is abit more than just fear. Maybe the cash is alot? Politicians are greedy.

Look also at the Senate Waititu impeachment - it was a rout. That includes Mt Kenya senators - only Linturi, Kihika and I think Laikipia man backed Waititu despite Murkomen spirited attempts to save him.

Kiambu MCAs impeached Waititu - that's 2/3 yet Ruto is supposed to be wildly popular there Discuss. He is no longer the annointed one so they have re-aligned.

3. Most Governors have been cowed. They don't have a choice. You keep mentioning somebody like Wa Iria and yet he has his own party ready for launch when "things cool down." Governors are also being given between 20m to 30m to organise BBI meetings. Some of that cash they must grease Baba's Office. This is no longer a secret. 

Gicheha Farm was not a public meeting. It was chosen Kikuyu elders and Handshake crew lead by Kinyanjui. Salgaa is a Kalenjin area... not Gema. I would expect hostility if I was Uhuru.

I don't buy the media blackout stories anymore than the public vetting. Imagine a dangerous place like Dusit memes were doing rounds on Twitter... such a vetting would be all over. Nor can you bar journalists without attracting KUJ and such protests. Huo ni uongo. Also there is alot of independent and pro-Ruto media... even Raila and NASA had fair coverage in Jubilee 1.0. Except the Raila swearing-in blackout. Ruto bought K24 and Kameme or Inoro according to Pundit. However I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the various media ownerships.

Tangatanga are desperate to maintain the "tuko pamoja" lie which Uhuru wants to kill thus the nyahunyo. Uhurutopia is the oxygen for their narrative. I could be wrong to imagine they don't have a right to stalk him. Joho attempted that sometimes and faced it rough.

4. Definitely and without a doubt County Commissioners, DCs and Chiefs are now vetting those who can attend President meetings. For example, those who attended Uhuru meeting in Nakuru Gicheha Farm were vetted by Governor Lee and County Commissioner. Then they were given 10k each. When he visited Salgaa to launch Cement Factory same Governor and County Commissioner vetted those in attendance. Most were actually akina Mama. This group didn't get anything and were really annoyed. At Nyandarua when local MP and MCA were denied entry almost half of the public walked out. You cannot read or watch such news because nowadays BBI must be shown in great light and Ruto as villain. This is obvious from media coverage. Any journalist would tell you he/she cannot file anything negative about Uhuru or Raila as some editors will just cut it out. 

It is Mlolongo MPs who are being intimidated. Ruto rigged them in. Those who play neutral are not bothered. The defectors have shown unparalleled passion for BBI. Waiguru, Kinyanjui and wa Iria are serious BBI champions. A few Kaninis and Sabinas too. There were rumors about KJ but am not sure - he seems to have gone quiet. Isaak Ruto's present leaning is unconfirmed - Big Ruto sent him to RSA for stitches a while back over less weighty philosophical differences.

5. More importantly ask yourself why Uhuru's government would actually intimidate people from his own backyard? Some spend their resources and time to campaign for him and yet he is now using Nyahunyo on them. Why!? 

I have not seen the maximum security. Videos of Gema cheering Uhuru at ad hoc stopovers in  Bahati (the diaspora supposedly intoxicated with Ruto), Ol Kalou, etc are all over YouTube. They were cheering as he tore into Ruto, Kimani Ngunjiri and Tangatanga. No hostilities whatsoever. I challenged you and Pundit to demo that vetting story. Like we know Kuria was hounded in Kitui cause it was all over YouTube. Where are the videos of wananchi being vetted? Instead we have one static snap of a stadium gate. Kenyans are digital that is why we have all those unprofessional Kuria and Uhuru videos. Or Kibicho pulled them from YouTube?

No,  there is no "hostile ground" - that is Ruto propaganda. Because he has no real following.

6. And yes, County Commissioners and chiefs are used to vet also because of security reasons. Because even NIS advices the President that "the ground is hostile" and who knows some hothead may have his own idea. Now imagine having maximum security to visit your own backyard and yet he now doesn't need that in Nyanza. What does that tells you? 

Let me explain again. BBI is popular in non-Gema for the same exact reason it is unpopular in Gema: it levels the playing field. That is why Raila is having a field day marketing it. You have seen Murkomen and Kuria gate-crushing the rallies while endlessly threatening but never holding their anti-BBI counterrallies. Why pretend to support such an unpopular item? That is as ridiculous as stalking the hated Uhuru and crying about ejection. Or blaming Kimemia for their woes.

Once parliamentary is passed it will be Uhuru for PM. Gema will fall in line - it will be a stampede - forget the one-by-one filing in now. Raila is on the clock so he is ready to retire as ceremonial president. In a coalition arrangement he gets good say and patronage much better than right now where CSs appointed by Ruto are saluting him That is the ace against Ruto - willingness to sacrifice. Parliamentary and the  Uhuru contribution to bringing down Ruto are big payoffs besides that Gema are increasingly filing behind him. In any case Raila was hopeless before Trojan 2 - we were all waiting for Acting President Ruto as Uhuru sun-bathes in Hawaii.

How is Kiunjuri faring? Any massive TSP rallies?

7. Finally, BBI success will be determined in Mt. Kenya region. Reason being, if Uhuru cannot bring Gema numbers/MPs on the table what will he be doing exactly in a Raila's coalition? It will not make sense. And when Uhuru and his delusional team realises that then they will adjust accordingly: they accept Ruto is incoming President and be prepared for it. After all they are known opportunists who can switch sides in a blink.
Alternative is for Uhuru to help Raila force through BBI amendments knowing very well he himself will have no other role.

[Nefertiti]

That is good. But at least you have to appreciate the non-Gema yearning for equity. Another 60 years of Kikuyu-Kalenjin is a big yawn in many places.

1. Your assumption is that Uhuru/Raila pass BBI parliamentary/regional version then Kikuyus will have no choice but stampede into Raila/Uhuru Alliance. All i can say, lets wait for that day. First as Pundit keep typing, let BBI version 2 be a reality. Then we shall see.

2. BBI as it is at the moment is even acceptable to Mt. Kenya. And it makes sense to have somebody like Majority Leader as PM. He sits in the cabinet and has power and authority to demand information and updates from other government departments so as he can effectively defend government in Parliament. That's fine.
And Ruto and TangaTanga team have no problem with that. Most people don't have lots of issues with that. It's tweaking here and there to make the system work better.

3. As more and more people realize that BBI version 1 was just a ruse to introduce a more radical document, the more they hate it. The more they hate this Raila thing. They realise its Raila wanting power through the back door!

4. Don't claim BBI is popular outside Gema. One, Kalenjin and huge section of Matusa are with Ruto. So is some parts of Western and Coast. Just because people are quite doesn't mean they agree. Even Duale has finally realized what he was supporting is not what Raila/Uhuru meant. And there more like those people. Even good size of Gusii population cannot agree to Regional government thing.

You are overrating support of BBI version 2 which most people are yet to understand. Right now they realise there is something "strange about BBI" because if Uhuru, Raila and Ruto cannot build a bridge between them what about building bridges for 47m? If Moses Kuria and Murkomen cannot be allowed into meetings which bridges are being built?

[Garliv]

Equity to who? This is a Raila narrative so that he can guilt Uhuru and others into his schemes. Consider Kenya has over 40 tribes (call them nationalities as they do in Russia) and the Five Big Tribes dominate almost everything. Even if Kenya adopt your beloved Parliamentary system, the national leadership would still be dominated by the big 5 tribes. A Mijikenda has no chance to be president or PM. So is a Borana. And many others purely because the big tribes always try to accommodate each other before they consider "smaller tribes.."

So when you talk of Equity be careful what you mean.

That is good. But at least you have to appreciate the non-Gema yearning for equity. Another 60 years of Kikuyu-Kalenjin is a big yawn in many places.

[Nefertiti]

Equity means managed tyranny. By definition it benefits the weaker party. There is a reason why an overwhelming majority of parliamentaries are so successful. Even the US has a managed tyranny. It is not all about Raila and Ruto. If you see no issue with 2 tribes for 60 years with no end in sight.... it is not possible to convince you.

Equity to who? This is a Raila narrative so that he can guilt Uhuru and others into his schemes. Consider Kenya has over 40 tribes (call them nationalities as they do in Russia) and the Five Big Tribes dominate almost everything. Even if Kenya adopt your beloved Parliamentary system, the national leadership would still be dominated by the big 5 tribes. A Mijikenda has no chance to be president or PM. So is a Borana. And many others purely because the big tribes always try to accommodate each other before they consider "smaller tribes.."

So when you talk of Equity be careful what you mean.

[Garliv]

I truly understand when Kalenjin/Kikuyu dominance comes into play. But am yet to find a more sober way to deal with it. Majority Leader can be turned into PM with at Supervisory and coordination roles with the proviso he/she be non-kikuyu/Kale.
Counties were established to at least make Governors a bit powerful so that people may "feel the government is near.." Not sure it has worked as envisaged.

Creating Official Opposition with a shadow cabinet and it's offices funded by the exchequer is also another way. Current version of BBI has that. Like if President earns a salary of 2m, the leader of opposition should earn about 70%-80% of that. Then his shadow cabinet earn such a percentage of CSs. Then he should have such things as transport allowances and other benefits. Point being, the Leader of Opposition be valued as genuine leader because in reality he's normally is. Also with assumption that the Opposition will always be doing their best to safeguard against government excesses. If anything Raila dalliance with Uhuru has shown the importance of a good opposition in Kenya. Right now both supposedly leader of the opposition and the government executive scratch each other back. It's shamba la wanyama. Despite being not a Raila supporter truly appreciate his role as opposition leader. Jis makelele while in opposition have been helpful in checking some excesses.

But Parliamentary system/Federalism (Majimbo) in the name of addressing Kikuyu/Kalenjin dominance is like killing the baby to save it. Dismember Kenya so as to save it!

Equity means managed tyranny. By definition it benefits the weaker party. There is a reason why an overwhelming majority of parliamentaries are so successful. Even the US has a managed tyranny. It is not all about Raila and Ruto. If you see no issue with 2 tribes for 60 years with no end in sight.... it is not possible to convince you.

[RV Pundit]

Yes, let discuss BBI 2.0 when we know what it is. We are discussing Robina crazy ideas like we did in BBI 1.0 - she disappeared a few days and re-appeared - licked her wounds and has BBI 2.0 figured out.

[Nefertiti]

  says the dispassionate pundit with a horse in the race. You have earmarked forest land for grabbing under Ruto. I don't even believe your Mau noises are genuine but selfish and personal financial interest. Mbeca. Why would we take you seriously?

Yes, let discuss BBI 2.0 when we know what it is. We are discussing Robina crazy ideas like we did in BBI 1.0 - she disappeared a few days and re-appeared - licked her wounds and has BBI 2.0 figured out.

[Nefertiti]

Regional or 3rd tier is DOA I don't see it passing. You already went into the tiny 47 counties so that horse is in the wild and untamable. But the REBs say in Central among kina Kimemia are a synergy that should be harnessed. The proposed NHS seems to centralize healthcare management. Presently the  MoH is a toothless bulldog going by the strikes and other county medical inadequacies.

Parliamentary has many empirical merits. If the UK was presidential, for instance, Scotland and Ireland would be locked out of power. But we have had many Scotsmen Blairs and MacDonalds for prime minister. Because Scots have many MPs disproportionate to their raw numbers. Parliamentary and federalism sustain the cohesive UK. An imperial president - like Trump! - would have long bulldozed Brexit and alienated the non-English. Without the lengthy debates necessitated by the parliamentary accountability Brexit would have broken the UK. The equity fosters stability not division. In stark contrast Moi or Jomo's fake stability was maintained by the sword not consensus.

I truly understand when Kalenjin/Kikuyu dominance comes into play. But am yet to find a more sober way to deal with it. Majority Leader can be turned into PM with at Supervisory and coordination roles with the proviso he/she be non-kikuyu/Kale.
Counties were established to at least make Governors a bit powerful so that people may "feel the government is near.." Not sure it has worked as envisaged.

Creating Official Opposition with a shadow cabinet and it's offices funded by the exchequer is also another way. Current version of BBI has that. Like if President earns a salary of 2m, the leader of opposition should earn about 70%-80% of that. Then his shadow cabinet earn such a percentage of CSs. Then he should have such things as transport allowances and other benefits. Point being, the Leader of Opposition be valued as genuine leader because in reality he's normally is. Also with assumption that the Opposition will always be doing their best to safeguard against government excesses. If anything Raila dalliance with Uhuru has shown the importance of a good opposition in Kenya. Right now both supposedly leader of the opposition and the government executive scratch each other back. It's shamba la wanyama. Despite being not a Raila supporter truly appreciate his role as opposition leader. Jis makelele while in opposition have been helpful in checking some excesses.

But Parliamentary system/Federalism (Majimbo) in the name of addressing Kikuyu/Kalenjin dominance is like killing the baby to save it. Dismember Kenya so as to save it!

[Garliv]

All i can say, God be merciful. Proponents of BBI of parliamentary and regional units have no idea what they will unleash. Better to let some sleeping dogs lie.

Regional or 3rd tier is DOA I don't see it passing. You already went into the tiny 47 counties so that horse is in the wild and untamable. But the REBs say in Central among kina Kimemia are a synergy that should be harnessed. The proposed NHS seems to centralize healthcare management. Presently the  MoH is a toothless bulldog going by the strikes and other county medical inadequacies.

Parliamentary has many empirical merits. If the UK was presidential, for instance, Scotland and Ireland would be locked out of power. But we have had many Scotsmen Blairs and MacDonalds for prime minister. Because Scots have many MPs disproportionate to their raw numbers. Parliamentary and federalism sustain the cohesive UK. An imperial president - like Trump! - would have long bulldozed Brexit and alienated the non-English. Without the lengthy debates necessitated by the parliamentary accountability Brexit would have broken the

[RV Pundit]

Robina UK is best system.Kenyans don't tell us about that colonial master.Raila adopted the US system for us.Anyway Ruto continue to sleepwalk to PORK.

[Nefertiti]

Robina UK is best system.Kenyans don't tell us about that colonial master.Raila adopted the US system for us.Anyway Ruto continue to sleepwalk to PORK.

Your threats of genocide here indicate a very different reality.

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Kiunjuri on warpath. He will take this easily - he is so far only making 5 minutes appearances on Sundays. Uhuru has totally isolated himself - I held that he would stick with Rotich and hang Kiunjuri and Wamalwa. Always though Rotich was his fixer. Uhuru will surely meet his Waterloo, only a matter of when.

[Nefertiti]

Kiunjuri on warpath. He will take this easily - he is so far only making 5 minutes appearances on Sundays. Uhuru has totally isolated himself - I held that he would stick with Rotich and hang Kiunjuri and Wamalwa. Always though Rotich was his fixer. Uhuru will surely meet his Waterloo, only a matter of when.

Kiunjuri messed big-time demanding Uhuru hand over the base before retirement. That's unprecedented stupidity - he is being crashed. Kinoti has a new unit - Sting - dedicated to Tangatanga.

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Revived DCI is doing a good job everyday in all fronts. With technology am sure they will be resolving nearly all murders.

It is only naive Kenyans who think the political scum are gods, who get quite worked up when DCI gets one dodgy shit criminal with political links.