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Re: China weathers the trade war
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2020, 05:49:21 PM »
It appears since anti-biotic (pencilin) was discovered - the medical world has yet to make major advance - on fighting microbes. There is a serious need to fund virology - but world busy - funding space programs. I think there is need for World Health Research kind of institutions that can be well-funded by all countries - so they can crack this viral menace.
Nuh, not so. The info available shows it was a lab mishap. As in a perfect carrier bacterium accidentally let to fuse onto the virus which abruptly mutated into a novelic evil organism.

Microbiologically - it may appear counter-intuitive that kids are relatively resistant. But viruses unlike bacteria bypass the immune system. Kids have a fast heartrate, pulse and general circulatory system that is inhospitable to viral mutation. Coupled with purer bodies with fewer potential carrier bacteria. So the poor virus won't multiply nor survive in the kid. Exactly the opposite for the elderly and the ill.

But I do allow for that possibility. A biotool. Things are rarely as they seem.

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Re: China weathers the trade war
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2020, 05:56:27 PM »
If you are able to solve the issue of how virus which are in animals and birds are able to move to a human body, you will receive the Nobel Price for Medicine. This is a scientific problem that is yet to be solved. Many animals have viruses which are not able to be move even on cosumption through humens to the human body system.
 
Homo sapiens has eaten wild animals for a long time.  What is new that causes these unknown infections to become known?  Is it that these things are not new but rather that we can now detect many of them? :shock:

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Re: China weathers the trade war
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2020, 06:02:46 PM »
It more a question of epidemiology - the spread of diseases - is faster now that we are a global village - the more connected - the faster it will be for everything including virus - to get to everyone. We now need to take these kinds of things seriously - otherwise a new disease in any part of globe - could be in the entire global village in few days - the more inter-connected we become.
Homo sapiens has eaten wild animals for a long time.  What is new that causes these unknown infections to become known?  Is it that these things are not new but rather that we can now detect many of them? :shock:

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Re: China weathers the trade war
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2020, 06:10:58 PM »
It more a question of epidemiology - the spread of diseases - is faster now that we are a global village - the more connected - the faster it will be for everything including virus - to get to everyone. We now need to take these kinds of things seriously - otherwise a new disease in any part of globe - could be in the entire global village in few days - the more inter-connected we become.
Homo sapiens has eaten wild animals for a long time.  What is new that causes these unknown infections to become known?  Is it that these things are not new but rather that we can now detect many of them? :shock:

Makes sense.  In the past, a tribe could be wiped out in the forest and the rest would be none the wiser.
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Re: China weathers the trade war
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2020, 06:28:44 PM »
The EU generally and Italy in particular have an aging population. Partially explains for the high infection and death rate. The older you are the higher the risk of adverse illness on infection or death. Kids are the least vulnerable.

Mwafrika madondo-ugali are very healthy adults with man kids. Youths are 70% or thereabouts - who reside in prone towns. The elderly are fewer due to low lifespan and mostly inhabit the sparse rural country.

The Kibra endowed mjengo crew who uproot rail for sport might catch it and never notice. Just shrug it off as normal flu. :) while the European 90yo's on Cerelac and diapers will die in a few days.

That's what I am thinking too.  I suspect the pathogen, being related to the flu, will go into remission in the warmer seasons.  So that might provide a break.  It's also the same reason why the African madondo-ugali probably has little to worry about.
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Re: China weathers the trade war
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2020, 02:33:48 AM »
This is exactly what is happening now. Virology has been ignored yes - very slow progress. Seems disease rather than bombs could wipe out the human race.

It more a question of epidemiology - the spread of diseases - is faster now that we are a global village - the more connected - the faster it will be for everything including virus - to get to everyone. We now need to take these kinds of things seriously - otherwise a new disease in any part of globe - could be in the entire global village in few days - the more inter-connected we become.
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Re: China weathers the trade war
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2020, 02:37:33 AM »
The EU generally and Italy in particular have an aging population. Partially explains for the high infection and death rate. The older you are the higher the risk of adverse illness on infection or death. Kids are the least vulnerable.

Mwafrika madondo-ugali are very healthy adults with man kids. Youths are 70% or thereabouts - who reside in prone towns. The elderly are fewer due to low lifespan and mostly inhabit the sparse rural country.

The Kibra endowed mjengo crew who uproot rail for sport might catch it and never notice. Just shrug it off as normal flu. :) while the European 90yo's on Cerelac and diapers will die in a few days.

That's what I am thinking too.  I suspect the pathogen, being related to the flu, will go into remission in the warmer seasons.  So that might provide a break.  It's also the same reason why the African madondo-ugali probably has little to worry about.

I expect there will be some vaccines sooner than the Summer. Already chloroquine or something similar is in pilot here in the US. This will be cracked pretty quick it's just too new and sudden.
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Re: China weathers the trade war
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2020, 03:23:00 AM »
The EU generally and Italy in particular have an aging population. Partially explains for the high infection and death rate. The older you are the higher the risk of adverse illness on infection or death. Kids are the least vulnerable.

Mwafrika madondo-ugali are very healthy adults with man kids. Youths are 70% or thereabouts - who reside in prone towns. The elderly are fewer due to low lifespan and mostly inhabit the sparse rural country.

The Kibra endowed mjengo crew who uproot rail for sport might catch it and never notice. Just shrug it off as normal flu. :) while the European 90yo's on Cerelac and diapers will die in a few days.

That's what I am thinking too.  I suspect the pathogen, being related to the flu, will go into remission in the warmer seasons.  So that might provide a break.  It's also the same reason why the African madondo-ugali probably has little to worry about.

I expect there will be some vaccines sooner than the Summer. Already chloroquine or something similar is in pilot here in the US. This will be cracked pretty quick it's just too new and sudden.

Sorry I am not optimistic about the vaccine. This pathogen mutates with every other infection, so it may be harder to crack. Yes it will be slowed by warm temps but Australia and the southern hemisphere are next.

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Re: China weathers the trade war
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2020, 05:37:23 AM »
Mwafrika madondo-ugali are very healthy adults with man kids. Youths are 70% or thereabouts - who reside in prone towns. The elderly are fewer due to low lifespan and mostly inhabit the sparse rural country.
It's also the same reason why the African madondo-ugali probably has little to worry about.

You guys are forgetting that too many of our madondo-ugali are HIV+ or suffering from malaria or undetected cancer. That's what worries me the most.

If you are able to solve the issue of how virus which are in animals and birds are able to move to a human body, you will receive the Nobel Price for Medicine. This is a scientific problem that is yet to be solved. Many animals have viruses which are not able to be move even on cosumption through humens to the human body system.

Homo sapiens has eaten wild animals for a long time.  What is new that causes these unknown infections to become known?  Is it that these things are not new but rather that we can now detect many of them? :shock:
Well, it seems some officials in a few countries think it's from the lab too, lol. I don't think we can know for sure that it was all just perfectly organic/spontaneous with no help from some scientist somewhere. I'm also tempted to think H.I.V and many of these brand new diseases that just show up one day then go on a killing rampage across human populations are the results of humans experimenting on those animal viruses you mention in a lab. One person accidentally gets infected then takes it out of the lab to the wider population.

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Re: China weathers the trade war
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2020, 04:26:14 PM »
Yes, there is  a good and reasonable case to be made that Coronavirus is a Bioweapon. I attach a 15k essay which makes a case that Coronavirus is/was a bioweapon.
First, there is claim that Chinese Military has a secretive  Bio-Weapon Lab located at Wuhan. That the lab research in all manners of viruses and bacteria for warfare purposes. The theory goes that Coronavirus LEAKED from that Wuhan Lab and infected humans from thereon.

Second, there were World Military Games at Wuhan and the US sent a contingent of 200 military sportsmen/women. Accordingly the US Military RELEASED the virus in Wuhan as a biological warfare against China. Motive is of course to slow rise of China as a superpower and maintain US supremacy at all times. That the US Military used location of Chinese BioWeapon Lab at Wuhan as a cover. They could claim that its Chinese who LEAKED the virus into their own population. And that is the reason why the Americans and their European vassals were casually blaming China for negligence and incompetence.
This is why China is now "almost" officially accusing US of attacking them with the virus; and Trump rename the virus as Chinese Virus.

Third, that the US and Europeans NEVER IMAGINED the current blowback; that is, they never thought Coronavirus would escape China and infect them in such a significant manner.   


https://www.unz.com/article/was-the-2020-wuhan-coronavirus-an-engineered-biological-attack-on-china-by-america-for-geopolitical-advantage/

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Re: China weathers the trade war
« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2020, 04:33:51 PM »
Am no scientist or epidemiologist but my understanding is that for a virus/bacteria to "jump" from animal to human and immediately start an epidemic is most unlikely. My understanding is that "it is an evolving process.." not a one day event... Unless that animal virus/bacteria has been engineered to affect/infect humans too...

BTW, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF THAT BAT SOUP WAS THE SOURCE OF THIS CORONA. PATIENT ONE (ZERO) REMAINS UNKNOWN. Even Chinese officially states that the origin remain unknown.   



Well, it seems some officials in a few countries think it's from the lab too, lol. I don't think we can know for sure that it was all just perfectly organic/spontaneous with no help from some scientist somewhere. I'm also tempted to think H.I.V and many of these brand new diseases that just show up one day then go on a killing rampage across human populations are the results of humans experimenting on those animal viruses you mention in a lab. One person accidentally gets infected then takes it out of the lab to the wider population.

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Re: China weathers the trade war
« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2020, 10:18:53 PM »
Am no scientist or epidemiologist but my understanding is that for a virus/bacteria to "jump" from animal to human and immediately start an epidemic is most unlikely. My understanding is that "it is an evolving process.." not a one day event... Unless that animal virus/bacteria has been engineered to affect/infect humans too...

BTW, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF THAT BAT SOUP WAS THE SOURCE OF THIS CORONA. PATIENT ONE (ZERO) REMAINS UNKNOWN. Even Chinese officially states that the origin remain unknown.   



Well, it seems some officials in a few countries think it's from the lab too, lol. I don't think we can know for sure that it was all just perfectly organic/spontaneous with no help from some scientist somewhere. I'm also tempted to think H.I.V and many of these brand new diseases that just show up one day then go on a killing rampage across human populations are the results of humans experimenting on those animal viruses you mention in a lab. One person accidentally gets infected then takes it out of the lab to the wider population.

If you cared to follow facts, you'll remember SARS, H1N1, Hantavirus, etc. All these come and go only to mutate the next round. These are facts. Im not promoting vegan but when you eat any animal expect a mutation of your cells. It may takes generations but it happens. Viruses will live in our bodies slowly taking over waiting for a trigger. That's what happened in Wuhan.

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Re: China weathers the trade war
« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2020, 11:38:28 PM »
I think you agree with my assertion when you state "it may take generations..." then "slowly taking over waiting a trigger..."
And am asserting that there was nothing slowly or generation about Coronavirus. It hit and hit hard spreading all at once...



If you cared to follow facts, you'll remember SARS, H1N1, Hantavirus, etc. All these come and go only to mutate the next round. These are facts. Im not promoting vegan but when you eat any animal expect a mutation of your cells. It may takes generations but it happens. Viruses will live in our bodies slowly taking over waiting for a trigger. That's what happened in Wuhan.