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Re: Uhuru versus Ruto cold war continues
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2019, 10:58:21 PM »
Why would anybody would wish poor Uhuru an enemy as meticulous, as energetic, as resourceful and as adept as Ruto.Unless you literally kill Ruto it nearly impossible to keep him down.That too will take  a lot coz Ruto ran a parrallel NIS.

Ruto is a gentleman... this you said about Uhuru already when he paraded Ruto in GEMA with Ndugu yangu William. Now where is the gentleman :o Uhuru is being prudent - take away GEMA and keep your stake. Then strike the best deal with Ruto or Raila. Just politics not personal. Ruto did that in 2013 - in his own best interest not some kindness or patriotism. Why do you confuse things?

Let's just suppose Uhuru is a moron like you imagine. Instead of cutting Ruto to size he would be drinking in SH while Ruto consolidates control of Jubilee and kills off Raila. Come 2022 - at Ruto mercy - Uhuru picks Waiguru to be proxy DPORK and sign MOU with Ruto.. what would make Ruto keep his word? Cause he is a gentleman????
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Re: Uhuru versus Ruto cold war continues
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2019, 11:04:26 PM »
That Ruto is energetic and meticulous so Uhuru should just hand over and trust him. Just for smooth sailing. Ha!
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Re: Uhuru versus Ruto cold war continues
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2019, 11:14:19 PM »
That Ruto is energetic and meticulous so Uhuru should just hand over and trust him. Just for smooth sailing. Ha!
A gentleman is someone you make a deal and they stick to it.Raila is not.Ruto and Uhuru are.In any case Uhuru is for all purpose and intents going to give Ruto a thro pass.Raila is getting blindsided.Being genteleman doesn't mean being naive like Raila.Uhuru has literally 2yrs to cement his legacy.He would be an idiot to start war in Jubilee.

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Re: Uhuru versus Ruto cold war continues
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2019, 11:15:37 PM »
That Ruto is energetic and meticulous so Uhuru should just hand over and trust him. Just for smooth sailing. Ha!
if he can't stick to Jubilee mou then he need to quit smoking and drinking coz he will need to be sober to fight such a long drawn war.If not he will need lots of diapers as things get out of control.

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Re: Uhuru versus Ruto cold war continues
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2019, 12:17:53 AM »
A gentleman is someone you make a deal and they stick to it.Raila is not.Ruto and Uhuru are.In any case Uhuru is for all purpose and intents going to give Ruto a thro pass.Raila is getting blindsided.Being genteleman doesn't mean being naive like Raila.Uhuru has literally 2yrs to cement his legacy.He would be an idiot to start war in Jubilee.

Ruto has never been PORK - appointing authority - so we don't know if he is a gentleman. Donge? Same for Raila. Uhuru honored MOU 2013-17 because he needed Ruto for 2017 elections. Ruto in the meantime schemed to line up his cronies all over Uhuru backyard. Who is honorable? Now, because Ruto has threatened Uhuru power - he has to be cut to size. Raila in the meantime is eating part of Ruto's lunch and wrecking Jubilee - how is he naive? Unless you mean his MOU with Kibaki - for now he is doing well - from nothing with Ruto Jubilee advantage sleepwalking to SH - to some hope for future as ceremonial PORK or even better.
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Re: Uhuru versus Ruto cold war continues
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2019, 12:25:25 AM »
if he can't stick to Jubilee mou then he need to quit smoking and drinking coz he will need to be sober to fight such a long drawn war.If not he will need lots of diapers as things get out of control.

Wrong again. You seem to overrate Ruto and underrate Uhuru. Why would he hand over to Ruto - just for peace sijui legacy - legacy ni mnyama gani hio :D Uhuru and GEMA want to continue eating - what better way than Exec PM? Short of that a real MOU - like TNA-URP - not Jubilee Kanu v2 joke - that is Raila NARC "coalition" naivete. Ruto chihuahua Sudi and Cherargei will make noises - as his cheese is taken - and come 2022 Ruto will need a partner after Uhuru alienates his GEMA+Gusii+. Relying on Ruto word is laughable stupidity.
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Re: Uhuru versus Ruto cold war continues
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2019, 02:23:22 AM »
if he can't stick to Jubilee mou then he need to quit smoking and drinking coz he will need to be sober to fight such a long drawn war.If not he will need lots of diapers as things get out of control.

Wrong again. You seem to overrate Ruto and underrate Uhuru. Why would he hand over to Ruto - just for peace sijui legacy - legacy ni mnyama gani hio :D Uhuru and GEMA want to continue eating - what better way than Exec PM? Short of that a real MOU - like TNA-URP - not Jubilee Kanu v2 joke - that is Raila NARC "coalition" naivete. Ruto chihuahua Sudi and Cherargei will make noises - as his cheese is taken - and come 2022 Ruto will need a partner after Uhuru alienates his GEMA+Gusii+. Relying on Ruto word is laughable stupidity.

The current state of the RV dream team.


They appear shocked that kamwana is not keeping his promise to line up behind their man.  I thought this was an open secret, from way back in 2013.

I won't claim to know what the game plan is.  But this is not the game plan the hustler envisioned for 2022.   These guys might even engineer corruption charges against him to coincide with the campaign.  It's difficult enough to defeat baba with the full government machinery. 

He would have to snag Luhyas, Kambas, Gusii, Coast from baba's column.  I put them in baba's column because he is tried and tested in those areas.  And he has had no need to bribe anyone for those votes.  Huslter's GEMA backing is questionable, and might even be non-existent when the time comes.
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Re: Uhuru versus Ruto cold war continues
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2019, 04:29:09 AM »
bitmask - Pundit has such blinkers and hubris. That is Nandi Governor Sang who stammered incoheretly trying to tackle Joho :) a greenhorn thinks national podium is like Nandi. Ruto Dream Team :)
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Re: Uhuru versus Ruto cold war continues
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2019, 05:43:13 AM »
Lol pundit is grieving ..sudi and his band of thieves will know uhuru is temperamental addict. Kinoti is really whopping these sissies. Kikuyus are saying this about ruto "ucio turaigua araiya nginya mbeca cia mbembe na damu" that one we are hearing he is stealing maize and water dam money. Kikuyu peasants have made the decision that ruto is a petty thief and he cannot be trusted with their vote.

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Re: Uhuru versus Ruto cold war continues
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2019, 05:46:06 AM »
Politics is about perception. Nsis and military police convince uhuri that ruto is enemy of state. So his brand was destroyed and now corruption in Kenya has ruto ad the face. Moi lucked out that kenyatta died suddenly. Uhuru may die too and That is the only way ruto may be president. If uhuru has lung cancer then i see why his family has panicked and want raila to take over

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Re: Uhuru versus Ruto cold war continues
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2019, 09:24:24 AM »
Our track record here and elsewhere speak for themselves. I lost count of the many times you've read our simple politics wrong. Sang is definitely learning the ropes so fast...and he is still the youngest governor at mid 30s. Ruto dream team consisting of young 30 somethings led by wakina Murkomen, Sang & such nimble characters. Raila dream team is still Orengo.
bitmask - Pundit has such blinkers and hubris. That is Nandi Governor Sang who stammered incoheretly trying to tackle Joho :) a greenhorn thinks national podium is like Nandi. Ruto Dream Team :)

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Re: Uhuru versus Ruto cold war continues
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2019, 03:46:13 PM »
Uhuru and Raila have nothing on Ruto. Uhuru is beginning to act juvenile even walking out on young Ndindi Nyoro - mama boy needs to stop listening to senile people around Ngina and Moi who think we are in 1962. The Kalenjin attack dogs need to aim harder and the boy will coil his tail while keeping the flower girl Raila on the bedside. To rephrase Ruto, Uhuru angoje apangwe sasa. 

 It is naive for people to say that Ruto making his intention clear in 2010 is a weakness and that the disorganization about Uhuru 'surprise' blind stomping around minefields is a genius strategy.

The shadow boxing is quite good it will sober up the Mois, Kenyattas, Odingas and the Rutos that in a place with no rule of law one can easily collapse your billion dollar empire in a flash as it has happened to Matiba.
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Re: Uhuru versus Ruto cold war continues
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2019, 12:13:00 PM »
Sound advice for Ruto... he's campaigning on a pro-graft platform. Better in the past when he was anti-reform

https://www.the-star.co.ke/counties/central/2019-03-12-its-not-written-that-ruto-must-be-president-wambugu/
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Re: Uhuru versus Ruto cold war continues
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2019, 12:21:56 PM »
Pundit your boy has lost the plot. Watching the Sudi-Sang clips online it's beginning to appear like a Kale v Kenya affair. The more his crew saber rattles the worse Ruto looks.
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Re: Uhuru versus Ruto cold war continues
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2019, 01:14:22 PM »
Raila will as always run on "Anti-Graft" - while Ruto is planning to ran on "Hustler" Platform. Ruto is one of the greatest propagandist and I think he will triumph. The man could sell KANU in his 20s....and got elected while indicted by ICC for serious crimes. What is corruption to crimes of humanity.

It's about whose narrative wins. Raila could beat Kibaki or Uhuru in that - but Ruto is JUST MILES ahead of him.

Again expect Ruto hustler - poor peasant - revolution in a place near you. If Uhuru is not careful - it could lead to revolution even in GEMA land as GEMA people go rogue against the sons and daughters of homeguards.

Ruto, Sang and Sudis did this to Moi and his selected families....long time ago....it will be a re-run. The son of a nobody.

Pundit your boy has lost the plot. Watching the Sudi-Sang clips online it's beginning to appear like a Kale v Kenya affair. The more his crew saber rattles the worse Ruto looks.
Sound advice for Ruto... he's campaigning on a pro-graft platform. Better in the past when he was anti-reform

https://www.the-star.co.ke/counties/central/2019-03-12-its-not-written-that-ruto-must-be-president-wambugu/


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Re: Uhuru versus Ruto cold war continues
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2019, 01:15:39 PM »
Nope. Everyone knows nobody in Kenya can seriously fight corruption - least of all a kenyatta. The hustler narrative is more convincing. We do not need GODFATHER. We need GOD THE FATHER.
Pundit your boy has lost the plot. Watching the Sudi-Sang clips online it's beginning to appear like a Kale v Kenya affair. The more his crew saber rattles the worse Ruto looks.

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Re: Uhuru versus Ruto cold war continues
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2019, 03:09:56 PM »
Of course he's playing hustler but the graft stench strikes from a mile away. He's not winning in Gema.

Nope. Everyone knows nobody in Kenya can seriously fight corruption - least of all a kenyatta. The hustler narrative is more convincing. We do not need GODFATHER. We need GOD THE FATHER.
Pundit your boy has lost the plot. Watching the Sudi-Sang clips online it's beginning to appear like a Kale v Kenya affair. The more his crew saber rattles the worse Ruto looks.
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Re: Uhuru versus Ruto cold war continues
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2019, 03:16:44 PM »
Pundit can you run a rough MOAS? If Uhuru locks him out of GEMA Ruto cannot cobble enough coalition to beat Raila.
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Re: Uhuru versus Ruto cold war continues
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2019, 04:39:31 PM »
Pundit your boy has lost the plot. Watching the Sudi-Sang clips online it's beginning to appear like a Kale v Kenya affair. The more his crew saber rattles the worse Ruto looks.

The same card(shameless tribalism and corruption) that they had hoped to ride to power is the supposed target of the handshake.  They have no choice but to look bad.
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Re: Uhuru versus Ruto cold war continues
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2019, 04:49:38 PM »
Ran MOAS in 2019 based on GEMA backing Raila against Ruto. That is a crazy proposition. Anyway the major players - Raila, Ruto and Uhuru can master around 20-30% on their own. If GEMA/Uhuru were to stand 90% behind Raila - Raila wins. That of course won't be happening. It more likely they will back Ruto. If not - they will try to ran on their own.
Pundit can you run a rough MOAS? If Uhuru locks him out of GEMA Ruto cannot cobble enough coalition to beat Raila.