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Re: Raila get himself a council of elders
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2018, 04:04:29 PM »
I see you beat a retreat when you realized that Ouru staying on means Ruto going home.  Now that you are done with your wishful thinking, let us watch events unfold some more then we can do some serious political punditry. Its going to take a while for you guys to accept the new reality.  Things have changed.  The server was never opened and we know who won.

I think there are things that we know for sure won't make thro - 14 regions is dead on arrival - executive PM elected by Mps rather than PORK elected by kenyans is out - I think Uhuru just want something to do after election - mostly his hanger-ons - it's Ruto job to find him something to do -  I think Jubilee Supreme Leader will be good enough for him - but his hang-ons want to continue eating.

This is redux of 1975-76 - Ruto is now the Moi (I told ya :) and is assured of 2022 - and he is going to get everything thrown at him - but knowing Ruto - he won't choke - not at the final lap.

Makes sense, however,  if you are right that  Ouru is not going home then Ruto is definitely going home and Raila maybe coming in. It may explain why Ouru is not worried about betraying Ruto and also why Raila was telling Ruto to join him.  The two maybe up to something.  Anyway 2022 is still a long way from now and a lot will happen between now and then.   

Robina - you heard it from here first. Uhuru's hanger on don't want to retire so soon...will Uhuru accept to go home! all evidence suggests he aint going home soon.
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Re: Raila get himself a council of elders
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2018, 04:27:30 PM »
So instead of kamwana endorsing the hustler and GEMA falling in line, we are treated to complicated plots and twists.  Just the way hustler wanted it we will be told.  Hilarious.
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Re: Raila get himself a council of elders
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2018, 05:06:25 PM »
So instead of kamwana endorsing the hustler and GEMA falling in line, we are treated to complicated plots and twists.  Just the way hustler wanted it we will be told.  Hilarious.

I'm beginning to believe you about GEMA duplicity... poor Ruto is quickly becoming simply 'kimundu' to be stabbed in the back.
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Re: Raila get himself a council of elders
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2018, 05:14:39 PM »
So instead of kamwana endorsing the hustler and GEMA falling in line, we are treated to complicated plots and twists.  Just the way hustler wanted it we will be told.  Hilarious.

I'm beginning to believe you about GEMA duplicity... poor Ruto is quickly becoming simply 'kimundu' to be stabbed in the back.

Right now, kamwana sees more baggage from Ruto than value.  There is nothing in it(this particular partnership) for him going forward.
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Re: Raila get himself a council of elders
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2018, 05:15:50 PM »
14 counties that one dead.All small tribes will oppose this to the hilt - no way they can answer to large tribes who will dominate regional goverments. Executive is PM dead.Kenyans simply want to elect their PORK and so anything parliamentary will never be accepted.  You don't need to wait to know which idea is dead on arrival or not..just use common sense.

What is not dead is PM in mold of NARA - supervisor of GOv or Uganda's Inspector General of Gov or Chief Ministers --appointed by PORK -- to appease more tribes as gema-kalenjin exchange the baton again. That one is pretty popular.

Uhuru if he wants to continue (and i assume he would want) - has basically 3 options - retire and recommend a DPORK for Ruto & enjoy his pension - remain Jubilee Party Leader and retire from gov - but active in politics -  go for PM - which is hard work of running gov - basically Ruto right now is doing that job - supervising ministries and working with parliament to deliver stuff!

The Uhuru I know will most likely opt for Jubilee Party Leader...after hand-picking a successor to Ruto.

I see you beat a retreat when you realized that Ouru staying on means Ruto going home.  Now that you are done with your wishful thinking, let us watch events unfold some more then we can do some serious political punditry. Its going to take a while for you guys to accept the new reality.  Things have changed.  The server was never opened and we know who won.

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Re: Raila get himself a council of elders
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2018, 05:18:18 PM »
:) You can string a sentence but to make sense is something else. Anybody who think Uhuru intend to terminate such a successful partnership with Ruto is day-dreaming. That is including you and Raila. Uhuru is handling Raila and his folks with 10 feet long pole.
Right now, kamwana sees more baggage from Ruto than value.  There is nothing in it(this particular partnership) for him going forward.

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Re: Raila get himself a council of elders
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2018, 05:22:14 PM »
:) You can string a sentence but to make sense is something else. Anybody who think Uhuru intend to terminate such a successful partnership with Ruto is day-dreaming. That is including you and Raila. Uhuru is handling Raila and his folks with 10 feet long pole.
Right now, kamwana sees more baggage from Ruto than value.  There is nothing in it(this particular partnership) for him going forward.

He doesn't need to terminate anything.  He can simply allow it to be overtaken by events.
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Re: Raila get himself a council of elders
« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2018, 05:27:13 PM »
Again words without meaning. Same differences. And after doing that - he can start a new partnership with ever quarrelsome Raila. You know Raila is well-known commodity in the market and even if he acts to be all cool and gentleman - Uhuru knows the man just need an inch and he takes a mile. That is why Uhuru is shielding the gov from Raila. This is just a "persona" relationship btw him and Raila - and that is what people don't get. It like Raila hiring Miguna and realizing the man is impossible to work with - when he in day 1 - he gets his office name-tagged - Principal Secretary - so basically get Miguna an office far away from Harambee avenue - in NHIF towers :)

This is exactly what they did to Raila - get him police escort and possibly some salary - and a council of elders to preach against tribalism :) - and that is all.

A mpango wa kando who thinks the guy will divorce his wife is day-dreaming.

He doesn't need to terminate anything.  He can simply allow it to be overtaken by events.

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Re: Raila get himself a council of elders
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2018, 05:30:52 PM »
Again words without meaning. Same differences. And after doing that - he can start a new partnership with ever quarrelsome Raila. You know Raila is well-known commodity in the market and even if he acts to be all cool and gentleman - Uhuru knows the man just need an inch and he takes a mile. That is why Uhuru is shielding the gov from Raila. This is just a "persona" relationship btw him and Raila - and that is what people don't get. It like Raila hiring Miguna and realizing the man is impossible to work with - when he in day 1 - he gets his office name-tagged - Principal Secretary - so basically get Miguna an office far away from Harambee avenue - in NHIF towers :)

He doesn't need to terminate anything.  He can simply allow it to be overtaken by events.

Let's keep our fingers crossed for that big endorsement and GEMA falling in line then.  There is still time.  :D
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Re: Raila get himself a council of elders
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2018, 05:38:09 PM »
Uhuru has endorsed Ruto several times for 2022 -  but if you're waiting for Uhuru to do this everyday then sorry. GEMAs are in Ruto plank already -  Ruto is going to harvest the goodwill & loyalty of the last many years with Uhuru.  Raila and anyone else who want to compete for GEMA - have huge mountain to climb :). This is like Moi  in 1978 -nothing can stop it - Raila had his chance with Kibaki and he blew it up :).

Raila and his groupies are going to attempt everything - including openning up all orifices for Uhuru  (and acting they enjoy the .shging)- :D :D but sorry can't be trusted. Ruto has been in trenches with GEMA in nearly 4 wars now...ICC..2013..2017A and 2017B...that is a marriage that is long consummated.

Let's keep our fingers crossed for that big endorsement and GEMA falling in line then.  There is still time.  :D

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Re: Raila get himself a council of elders
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2018, 05:41:55 PM »
Uhuru has endorsed Ruto several times for 2022 -  but if you're waiting for Uhuru to do this everyday then sorry. GEMAs are in Ruto plank already -  Ruto is going to harvest the goodwill & loyalty of the last many years with Uhuru.  Raila and anyone else who want to compete for GEMA - have huge mountain to climb :) . This is like Moi  in 1978 - Raila had his chance with Kibaki and he blew it up :) .

Raila and his groupies are going to attempt everything - including open up all orifices for Uhuru - :D :D but sorry can't be trusted. Ruto has been in trenches with GEMA in nearly 4 wars now...ICC..2013..2017A and 2017B...that is a marriage that is long consummated.

Let's keep our fingers crossed for that big endorsement and GEMA falling in line then.  There is still time.  :D

I haven't seen him do that after the handshake.  Not even once.
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Re: Raila get himself a council of elders
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2018, 05:45:03 PM »
Maybe not in the presence of "mpango wa kando" but certainly he has. For example, in Muranga after the public rally in Iruha stadium, Uhuru & Ruto went to towns in Muranga to thank them for electing them in 2017 and Uhuru warned those following Ruto to be chosen DPORK to work for it - not follow Ruto around. I don't know how clear you want that to be :) :) . PORK 2022 is done deal. It's not even a subject of debate - the debate is who is Ruto's DPORK in 2022 and Uhuru role post 2022. Uhuru will certainly look for something that allows him to remain respected elder-stateman - so my bet is he'll take the Supreme Leader of Jubilee - who just like Tuju - will sit in cabinet or gov in need basis. Then he'll pick someone to be DPORK.
I haven't seen him do that after the handshake.  Not even once.

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Re: Raila get himself a council of elders
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2018, 05:53:18 PM »
Maybe not in the presence of "mpango wa kando" but certainly he has. For example, in Muranga after the public rally in Iruha stadium, Uhuru & Ruto went to towns in Muranga to thank them for electing them in 2017 and Uhuru warned those following Ruto to be chosen DPORK to work for it - not follow Ruto around. I don't know how clear you want that to be :) :) . PORK 2022 is done deal. It's not even a subject of debate - the debate is who is Ruto's DPORK in 2022 and Uhuru role post 2022.
I haven't seen him do that after the handshake.  Not even once.

The fact that you have to recall some obscure event when he actually did it indirectly should raise alarms bells.  It's an indicator of just how unusual it is for kamwana to back his DPORK for 2022.  And all because he does not want to annoy "mpango wa kando" that should be gathering dust in a trash heap?
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Re: Raila get himself a council of elders
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2018, 06:06:20 PM »
Yeah the event was obscure :) but I don't think Ruto is so insecure as to demand Uhuru direct endorsement now. This is the time for "Mpango wa Kando" to enjoy his 5 minutes in fame - and in exchange NASA is dead as dodo :) . Ruto desk is full. The man runs gov.

In the spirit of hand-shake -expect Uhuru to ask Raila to support Ruto :D - very soon. The time is not yet over. MaDVD had his 5-minute of fame :D when Uhuru handed over 2013 to him :)

The fact that you have to recall some obscure event when he actually did it indirectly should raise alarms bells.  It's an indicator of just how unusual it is for kamwana to back his DPORK for 2022.  And all because he does not want to annoy "mpango wa kando" that should be gathering dust in a trash heap?


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Re: Raila get himself a council of elders
« Reply #34 on: May 04, 2018, 05:22:28 AM »

Pundito, you are really scrapping the bottom of the barrel.  I basket ball they say every team gets a run, I think your run is over.

Yeah the event was obscure :) but I don't think Ruto is so insecure as to demand Uhuru direct endorsement now. This is the time for "Mpango wa Kando" to enjoy his 5 minutes in fame - and in exchange NASA is dead as dodo :) . Ruto desk is full. The man runs gov.

In the spirit of hand-shake -expect Uhuru to ask Raila to support Ruto :D - very soon. The time is not yet over. MaDVD had his 5-minute of fame :D when Uhuru handed over 2013 to him :)

The fact that you have to recall some obscure event when he actually did it indirectly should raise alarms bells.  It's an indicator of just how unusual it is for kamwana to back his DPORK for 2022.  And all because he does not want to annoy "mpango wa kando" that should be gathering dust in a trash heap?

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Re: Raila get himself a council of elders
« Reply #35 on: May 04, 2018, 05:34:11 AM »
Ouru actually thinks the partnership has been unsuccessful because it divided the country and that is why he was apologizing. Ruto thrives in division and I think Kamwana is tired of his hardball politics. Ruto really looks awkward and desperate lately. Even his "me too" apology looked awkward and  sounded insincere. What about  showing up at Kabarnet without securing an appointment just for a "me too" photo op with Moi.  Ruto needs to chill-2022 is still along ways.

:) You can string a sentence but to make sense is something else. Anybody who think Uhuru intend to terminate such a successful partnership with Ruto is day-dreaming. That is including you and Raila. Uhuru is handling Raila and his folks with 10 feet long pole.
Right now, kamwana sees more baggage from Ruto than value.  There is nothing in it(this particular partnership) for him going forward.
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Re: Raila get himself a council of elders
« Reply #36 on: May 04, 2018, 08:20:34 AM »
Which partnership is not divisive...MaDVD -Weta-Kalonzo are feeling left out...already. Ruto is Uhuru deputy so he'll have to follow the leader (fuata nyayo) until he is sworn in and he can begin his term on his terms. Right now If uhuru say jump - Ruto jumps. Of course as long as 2022 plans are not "touched"
Ouru actually thinks the partnership has been unsuccessful because it divided the country and that is why he was apologizing. Ruto thrives in division and I think Kamwana is tired of his hardball politics. Ruto really looks awkward and desperate lately. Even his "me too" apology looked awkward and  sounded insincere. What about  showing up at Kabarnet without securing an appointment just for a "me too" photo op with Moi.  Ruto needs to chill-2022 is still along ways.

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Re: Raila get himself a council of elders
« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2018, 01:18:13 PM »
Kenyans should not entertain Uhuru attempt to extend his tenure through PM backdoor. Even Jubilee Party Leader Ruto should just allow him for 2022 purposes and toss him out pronto after that. Uhuru needs to respect democracy.
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Re: Raila get himself a council of elders
« Reply #38 on: May 04, 2018, 02:35:48 PM »
Haaa!  When did Kenyans start caring about democracy. They only do when it affects their guy. I do not see many Kalenjins and Kikuyus demanding the server to be opened. When Ouru tries to get a third term then let Kalenjins go to the streets for a change. Maybe when everyone has been adversely affected by impunity then we may take democracy seriously.

Kenyans should not entertain Uhuru attempt to extend his tenure through PM backdoor. Even Jubilee Party Leader Ruto should just allow him for 2022 purposes and toss him out pronto after that. Uhuru needs to respect democracy.
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Re: Raila get himself a council of elders
« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2018, 02:40:23 PM »
Which partnership is not divisive...MaDVD -Weta-Kalonzo are feeling left out...already. Ruto is Uhuru deputy so he'll have to follow the leader (fuata nyayo) until he is sworn in and he can begin his term on his terms. Right now If uhuru say jump - Ruto jumps. Of course as long as 2022 plans are not "touched"
Ouru actually thinks the partnership has been unsuccessful because it divided the country and that is why he was apologizing. Ruto thrives in division and I think Kamwana is tired of his hardball politics. Ruto really looks awkward and desperate lately. Even his "me too" apology looked awkward and  sounded insincere. What about  showing up at Kabarnet without securing an appointment just for a "me too" photo op with Moi.  Ruto needs to chill-2022 is still along ways.
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