Author Topic: Centum Firesale?? (Read 3135 times)

hk · « **on:** March 21, 2018, 11:50:32 AM »

Centum has been unloading equity stake in various companies trying to shore up earnings https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/corporate/companies/Centum-sells-stake-in-asset-management-firm/4003102-4350380-bk0lj3/index.html and https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/corporate/companies/Centum-divests-25pc-stake-micro-financier-Platinum-Credit/4003102-4347862-jciov1/index.html , or https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/corporate/companies/Centum-books-gain-from-Kenya-Wine/4003102-4095336-who48m/index.html . What happens when they don't have assets to liquidate? Most of their operating profit comes from their coca cola bottling company the rest sidian( doing badly) and real estate (two rivers) strugging with limited traffic and occupancy. This is a company to short.

RV Pundit · « **Reply #1 on:** March 21, 2018, 12:56:46 PM »

And Kirubi is sick with cancer. The LAMU AMU thing? And perhaps they can flip the Kilifi sisal estate - they got prime plots there.

hk · « **Reply #2 on:** March 21, 2018, 01:07:05 PM »

Quote from: RV Pundit on March 21, 2018, 12:56:46 PM

And Kirubi is sick with cancer. The LAMU AMU thing? And perhaps they can flip the Kilifi sisal estate - they got prime plots there.

They don't have capital to invest in LAMU coal power generation plant. Its one of the reason why the project has stalled. Also they were given a geothermal site which they haven't invested in power generation unlike the devki tycoon who bought off Gideon Moi.

RV Pundit · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2018, 01:22:05 PM »

Centum without kirubi steering it is dead. The meru young man mworia is going to get exposed. He need to jump ship.

Quote from: hk on March 21, 2018, 01:07:05 PM

They don't have capital to invest in LAMU coal power generation plant. Its one of the reason why the project has stalled. Also they were given a geothermal site which they haven't invested in power generation unlike the devki tycoon who bought off Gideon Moi.

Kadudu · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2018, 03:59:02 PM »

Centum today is like the Transcentury of Kibaki's days. The group will shrink to its natural size after 2022 and it seems the shrinking process has already begun four years too early.

bryan275 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 21, 2018, 04:58:47 PM »

Quote from: Kadudu on March 21, 2018, 03:59:02 PM

Centum today is like the Transcentury of Kibaki's days. The group will shrink to its natural size after 2022 and it seems the shrinking process has already begun four years too early.

Yep, the old financial "genius" that strangely follows the political "luck" of their godfathers.

Nefertiti · « **Reply #6 on:** March 21, 2018, 06:57:42 PM »

Quote from: bryan275 on March 21, 2018, 04:58:47 PM

Quote from: Kadudu on March 21, 2018, 03:59:02 PM
Centum today is like the Transcentury of Kibaki's days. The group will shrink to its natural size after 2022 and it seems the shrinking process has already begun four years too early.

Yep, the old financial "genius" that strangely follows the political "luck" of their godfathers.

Centum success is a fluke - the real estate balloon - like SA Napster which bought a big Tencent stake and struck gold. Unlike Tencent Mworia's golden goose is dying as the real estste bubble blows up. However I think green energy is a good investment - as Kenya looks up with Big 4 Agenda. That and agribusiness are good areas to invest.

Centum is surprisingly not a major holder of Safcom, Equity, EABL and such stocks which are high performance bluechips. Time for Mr Mworia to earn his stripes.

vooke · « **Reply #7 on:** March 21, 2018, 08:52:48 PM »

Centum has been booking profits by revaluing their assets. Paper profits but they are short on real cash.

Cash is King and if whatever you do is not generating enough cash you will suffocate soon or later. That's where kina Tesla and Uber are headed.

Nefertiti · « **Reply #8 on:** March 22, 2018, 06:11:50 PM »

Quote from: vooke on March 21, 2018, 08:52:48 PM

Centum has been booking profits by revaluing their assets. Paper profits but they are short on real cash.

Cash is King and if whatever you do is not generating enough cash you will suffocate soon or later. That's where kina Tesla and Uber are headed.

Nefertiti · « **Reply #9 on:** March 22, 2018, 11:03:29 PM »

Pastor - Tesla is in its own league. Can Centum tie Mworia's pay to performance?

Elon Musk could make more than $50 billion from pay plan shareholders approved...but he has a lot to deliver
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/21/tesla-shareholders-approve-elon-musks-multibilion-dollar-compensation-plan.html

veritas · « **Reply #10 on:** March 23, 2018, 10:55:10 AM »

lame.

vooke · « **Reply #11 on:** March 23, 2018, 01:36:11 PM »

Quote from: Robina on March 22, 2018, 06:11:50 PM

Quote from: vooke on March 21, 2018, 08:52:48 PM
Centum has been booking profits by revaluing their assets. Paper profits but they are short on real cash.

Cash is King and if whatever you do is not generating enough cash you will suffocate soon or later. That's where kina Tesla and Uber are headed.

These two are cash black holes soaking up billions and billions from investors with no feasible way of recouping. Whatever ideas or innovation they have is not about to generate anything close to that.

Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants · « **Reply #12 on:** March 23, 2018, 03:47:49 PM »

Quote from: Robina on March 22, 2018, 11:03:29 PM

Pastor - Tesla is in its own league. Can Centum tie Mworia's pay to performance?

Elon Musk could make more than $50 billion from pay plan shareholders approved...but he has a lot to deliver
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/21/tesla-shareholders-approve-elon-musks-multibilion-dollar-compensation-plan.html

Damn, where are they getting the money to pay him?

Nefertiti · « **Reply #13 on:** March 23, 2018, 11:06:18 PM »

Quote from: bitmask on March 23, 2018, 03:47:49 PM

Quote from: Robina on March 22, 2018, 11:03:29 PM
Pastor - Tesla is in its own league. Can Centum tie Mworia's pay to performance?

Elon Musk could make more than $50 billion from pay plan shareholders approved...but he has a lot to deliver
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/21/tesla-shareholders-approve-elon-musks-multibilion-dollar-compensation-plan.html

Damn, where are they getting the money to pay him?

Musk only gets paid for when key milestones are met - 100B+ market cap, 65B+ revenues etc. This is a good deal for shareholders unlike Mworia the empty coat.

Nefertiti · « **Reply #14 on:** March 23, 2018, 11:18:50 PM »

Quote from: vooke on March 23, 2018, 01:36:11 PM

Quote from: Robina on March 22, 2018, 06:11:50 PM
Quote from: vooke on March 21, 2018, 08:52:48 PM
Centum has been booking profits by revaluing their assets. Paper profits but they are short on real cash.

Cash is King and if whatever you do is not generating enough cash you will suffocate soon or later. That's where kina Tesla and Uber are headed.

These two are cash black holes soaking up billions and billions from investors with no feasible way of recouping. Whatever ideas or innovation they have is not about to generate anything close to that.

vooke · « **Reply #15 on:** March 24, 2018, 07:11:30 PM »

Quote from: Robina on March 23, 2018, 11:18:50 PM

Quote from: vooke on March 23, 2018, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: Robina on March 22, 2018, 06:11:50 PM
Quote from: vooke on March 21, 2018, 08:52:48 PM
Centum has been booking profits by revaluing their assets. Paper profits but they are short on real cash.

Cash is King and if whatever you do is not generating enough cash you will suffocate soon or later. That's where kina Tesla and Uber are headed.

These two are cash black holes soaking up billions and billions from investors with no feasible way of recouping. Whatever ideas or innovation they have is not about to generate anything close to that.

Nefertiti · « **Reply #16 on:** March 24, 2018, 08:46:17 PM »

Smh. All Tesla needs is a brand - the cult of Musk worshippers is ordering cars and semi trucks 2years in advance - what does production have to do with it? With the Gigafactories & automation - the robot assembly lines - the cult will turn into revenues and suddenly Tesla will have a chunk of the auto market. That's superhard without a revolution like computers or the internet.

Just look at the Musk performance targets: why does the market buy that? Why can't Daimler or GM copy it? Simple: their bulky old-school factories are too entrenched to overhaul without a ready fandom like the Tesla brand. So the 50% EV marketshare Tesla holds now.. will grow into a big overall marketshare as everyone retires gasoline cars, heating and all grids. Tesla is all over the future.

Nefertiti · « **Reply #17 on:** March 24, 2018, 09:30:55 PM »

Pastor do you get why Musk pulls stunts like the flying Roadster, flamethrowers or the comical "initial hat offering"? Just to prove he's a cult and there is nothing GM or Ford or Amazon can do about it. Musk just did #deletefacebook with SpaceX and Tesla.

I dare you to pull a #deletefacebook on your church... Bet you have a few thousand followers.

vooke · « **Reply #18 on:** March 25, 2018, 06:41:19 AM »

Quote from: Robina on March 24, 2018, 09:30:55 PM

Pastor do you get why Musk pulls stunts like the flying Roadster, flamethrowers or the comical "initial hat offering"? Just to prove he's a cult and there is nothing GM or Ford or Amazon can do about it. Musk just did #deletefacebook with SpaceX and Tesla.

I dare you to pull a #deletefacebook on your church... Bet you have a few thousand followers.

Robina,
I saw that. The stunt was many hours late. If he imagines that recying the Snapchat thing would drive FaceBook to Oblivion he is mistaken. Facebook is a moneymaker and is dearly beloved, with little to no equals. It's going to be here for a long time

hk · « **Reply #19 on:** March 26, 2018, 11:10:46 PM »

So centum apparently unloading equity in financial sector to double down on sidian bank https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/news/Centum-pumps-Sh1-1-billion-into-Sidian-Bank/539546-4359280-34wlqx/index.html . A third tier bank that's struggling even to attract deposits as depositors shift to more stable banks. Also hoping that interest rate spread cap is scrapped soon. Bottomline centum needs a real cash flow spigot.

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Author Topic: Centum Firesale?? (Read 3135 times)