H. E. Uhuru Kenyatta, PORK: Sobriety & Hilarity

[MOON Ki]

I don't disagree the government needs to improve. My only contention is that it has done much better than Wanjiku who excels in whining with impunity. For that less-than-perfect Vison 2030 (or 3020[sic]) - Wanjiku has not attempted to meet the government halfway.

Exactly how have you determined that GoK has done much better than a "whining" Wanjiku:

On Vision 2030 3020 Wanjiku has been paying the taxes for that little eating joke.   What exactly is it that you have Wanjiku do to "attempt to meet the government halfway"?

[MOON Ki]

My contention on the Wanjiku-vs-Uhuru share of blame in the poverty monkey is why, dear MOON Ki, am suspicious and contemptuous of calls for "electoral justice", new parliamentary system, secession, etc. The ones you find amusing. All are aimed at Uhuru/government as a panacea for Wanjiku's misery. That's a big fallacy. It's the law of averages. It is Wanjiku who deserves the painful jab she's demanding for everyone but herself.

Interesting stuff.   And I'd be happy to discuss it at another time.   Right now, my main interest is this: what exactly does GoK do for the Kenyan people?  As a starting point for the discussion, there has been plenty of "eating" in Vision 3020 2030, and apparently there is to be more?  What exactly is Wanjiku getting out of this nonsense beyond "ease-of-doing business is getting better, so get out there and do your own thing"?

It should be possible to answer that without getting involved in "electoral justice, new parliamentary system, secession".

[Nefertiti]

I don't disagree the government needs to improve. My only contention is that it has done much better than Wanjiku who excels in whining with impunity. For that less-than-perfect Vison 2030 (or 3020[sic]) - Wanjiku has not attempted to meet the government halfway.

Exactly how have you determined that GoK has done much better than a "whining" Wanjiku:

On Vision 2030 3020 Wanjiku has been paying the taxes for that little eating joke.   What exactly is it that you have Wanjiku do to "attempt to meet the government halfway"?

Start a hundred Safaricoms. Like Ford and Edison and Gates and Musk. Have you registered MOON Ki Plc yet?

[Nefertiti]

My contention on the Wanjiku-vs-Uhuru share of blame in the poverty monkey is why, dear MOON Ki, am suspicious and contemptuous of calls for "electoral justice", new parliamentary system, secession, etc. The ones you find amusing. All are aimed at Uhuru/government as a panacea for Wanjiku's misery. That's a big fallacy. It's the law of averages. It is Wanjiku who deserves the painful jab she's demanding for everyone but herself.

Interesting stuff.   And I'd be happy to discuss it at another time.   Right now, my main interest is this: what exactly does GoK do for the Kenyan people?  As a starting point for the discussion, there has been plenty of "eating" in Vision 3020 2030, and apparently there is to be more?  What exactly is Wanjiku getting out of this nonsense beyond "ease-of-doing business is getting better, so get out there and do your own thing"?

It should be possible to answer that without getting involved in "electoral justice, new parliamentary system, secession".

There are independent assessments that say Kenya has improved in development environment

.Governance Ranking - http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Kenya-improves-in-governance-ranking/1056-4195496-12tt9alz/index.html

.Ease of Doing Business - a steep climb

These are universal indicators of good government effort. Wanjiku  can setup her massive enterprise anytime that others did with much less. Can you tell us what praiseworthy Wanjiku has done? I find her whining and scapegoating insufferable. Prosperity is not a right that people owe her like air.

[Dear Mami]

I don't disagree the government needs to improve. My only contention is that it has done much better than Wanjiku who excels in whining with impunity. For that less-than-perfect Vison 2030 (or 3020[sic]) - Wanjiku has not attempted to meet the government halfway.

Exactly how have you determined that GoK has done much better than a "whining" Wanjiku:

On Vision 2030 3020 Wanjiku has been paying the taxes for that little eating joke.   What exactly is it that you have Wanjiku do to "attempt to meet the government halfway"?

Start a hundred Safaricoms. Like Ford and Edison and Gates and Musk. Have you registered MOON Ki Plc yet?

This is like: buy cakes instead of whining about lack of bread. 100, eh? And to do it like Ford, Edison, Gates and Musk too. I suppose this means you think these people happened in identical environments as Wanjiku's because some report says "improved" somewhere. Wow.

[MOON Ki]

Start a hundred Safaricoms. Like Ford and Edison and Gates and Musk. Have you registered MOON Ki Plc yet?

Now that "ease of doing business" is supposedly getting better in Kenya, I should have no excuse.   Ford, Gates, Musk.   Why not.  I'll get back to you as soon as I can get over some of your latest "gems" that are really killing me.   Such as this one (on what Wanjiku should be doing about Kenya's educational system):

In the US where education is supposed to be top-notch you have the Udacities and U2s taking over.

That's pretty funny stuff.   Where on earth do you get such ideas?  Which late-night TV or YouTube channel?

[Dear Mami]

Absolutely. A good solution takes care of the D minus student, not just the Alliance graduates. Even being very good at school is a privilege since no one merits the kinds of talents they are born with. Dumb luck ecplains a lot of good fortune many enjoy. We should aim for a humane society that looks out for people because they are people. Leave tea partysm to nutty Americans.

Yep.   I was just reflecting on such things the other day.   I always worked very hard at my studies and was never a D- student or even close.   But luck and supportive environments have been very helpful.   I don't know how I would survive in today's Kenya if I were told that "look at this index; ease of business is improving; so get out there!".   

A little story: A couple of weeks ago, a nephew contacted me asking for some financial help in the new-and-improved "easy business environment" in Kenya.   Hardworking chap, great ideas, A grade.  But no capital or collateral for a loan.  Couldn't get sh*t in Kenya.   I have some friends in South Korea, and their government has an organization that focuses on "small man, no money, no collateral .... but great ideas".  So things are moving forward.   The financial split at the end?   Hmm.

Oh yes. Able and responsible parents with your native talents was a much better bet for you some years ago. Not anymore. And even bad as things are for your nephew, imagine he is still much better off than countless others who have no ok uncle in Asia to call and ask for kidogo capital to try hapa na pale. 

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

My contention on the Wanjiku-vs-Uhuru share of blame in the poverty monkey is why, dear MOON Ki, am suspicious and contemptuous of calls for "electoral justice", new parliamentary system, secession, etc. The ones you find amusing. All are aimed at Uhuru/government as a panacea for Wanjiku's misery. That's a big fallacy. It's the law of averages. It is Wanjiku who deserves the painful jab she's demanding for everyone but herself.

I see the electoral justice thing not so much as an economic matter as an issue of right and wrong.  A values thing.  Some people actually believe it's wrong to steal elections.  Whether we benefit economically or not is not germane to that belief.  If wanjiku wants bad leadership, then she should at least have a say in getting it.

Secession calls are based on feelings of exclusion.  Whether there is a basis for them or not is besides the point that the feelings are real and they need to find an, ideally peaceful, outlet.

Do you think it is right for whining wanjiku to shoulder repayment of billions of USD in Eurobond while she cannot pinpoint a single benefit or does kamwana at least bear even tangential responsibility?

[hk]

Folks get their own twisted ideas about innovation based totally on anecdotal evidence and declare kenyans are not innovative? Like really? How did M-pesa thrive? Kenya for it's economy size and stage of development is very innovative. Just look at data out there. Empirical data that compare economies of our scale and size.

For example - World Economic Forum - regularly ranks kenya ahead of South Africa and Nigeria in innovation.

Here is the latest from WEF's  The Global Competitiveness Report for 2017-2018

On innovation, Kenya ranks 37th globally, with a score of 3.8, followed closely by South Africa with a similar score but ranked 39th and Nigeria falling behind with a score of 2.8 and ranked 119th globally.Kenya ranks 41 in technological adoption with a score of 5.0, South Africa ranks 45 with a 4.9 score and Nigeria ranks 87 with a 4.3 score.
http://www.techweez.com/2017/10/18/gcr-2017-kenya-innovation/

I'll grant you that Kenyans are very early adopters of technology especially customer based technology. Its the reason why for example there's a  explosion of internet advertising cause there are more kenyans on smartphones than reading newspapers or watching TV. But the basic things like agriculture which holds the bulk of the population there's little technology adoption, that's why agriculture output has stagnated.  And the adoption of technology in manufacturing isn't any different thats why we keep importing basic things from China. 

[RV Pundit]

Agreed- outside central, part of eastern and rift valley (jubilee zones) & perhaps Gusii - young folks don't see any future in agriculture activities - and would rather immigrate en-masse to towns or ride boda-bodas. But within those regions - there is a lot of small scale adoption of appropriate technology. Manufacturing is where we simply do not hack it. Is still a bahindi business -90% chance of new industry being owned by Indian. Very few africans graduate from school and want to start manufacturing anything. That I think is where we really need to focus on. There is some hope in agro-processing because mwafrika understand a little bit about agriculture - so manufacturing milk or tea or sugar easily relate to us. As we seek to attract big manufacturers from Asia and outside - we need to start a manufacturing revolution --- something out of our Jua-Kali (mainly welding) and Kariobangi.

I'll grant you that Kenyans are very early adopters of technology especially customer based technology. Its the reason why for example there's a  explosion of internet advertising cause there are more kenyans on smartphones than reading newspapers or watching TV. But the basic things like agriculture which holds the bulk of the population there's little technology adoption, that's why agriculture output has stagnated.  And the adoption of technology in manufacturing isn't any different thats why we keep importing basic things from China. 

[Nefertiti]

I don't disagree the government needs to improve. My only contention is that it has done much better than Wanjiku who excels in whining with impunity. For that less-than-perfect Vison 2030 (or 3020[sic]) - Wanjiku has not attempted to meet the government halfway.

Exactly how have you determined that GoK has done much better than a "whining" Wanjiku:

On Vision 2030 3020 Wanjiku has been paying the taxes for that little eating joke.   What exactly is it that you have Wanjiku do to "attempt to meet the government halfway"?

Start a hundred Safaricoms. Like Ford and Edison and Gates and Musk. Have you registered MOON Ki Plc yet?

This is like: buy cakes instead of whining about lack of bread. 100, eh? And to do it like Ford, Edison, Gates and Musk too. I suppose this means you think these people happened in identical environments as Wanjiku's because some report says "improved" somewhere. Wow.

I am quite sure you suppose Wanjiku solely resides at Dandora or K'Ogalo. Why do you think so little of her? The private sector has way further to go than the state.

[Nefertiti]

Start a hundred Safaricoms. Like Ford and Edison and Gates and Musk. Have you registered MOON Ki Plc yet?

Now that "ease of doing business" is supposedly getting better in Kenya, I should have no excuse.   Ford, Gates, Musk.   Why not.  I'll get back to you as soon as I can get over some of your latest "gems" that are really killing me.   Such as this one (on what Wanjiku should be doing about Kenya's educational system):

In the US where education is supposed to be top-notch you have the Udacities and U2s taking over.

That's pretty funny stuff.   Where on earth do you get such ideas?  Which late-night TV or YouTube channel?

Andela is already chipping in Tech education albeit at a small scale. Much better than the "above-bar" college. You already have a model and some competition. Get right on with it. https://andela.com/

[Dear Mami]

This is like: buy cakes instead of whining about lack of bread. 100, eh? And to do it like Ford, Edison, Gates and Musk too. I suppose this means you think these people happened in identical environments as Wanjiku's because some report says "improved" somewhere. Wow.

I am quite sure you suppose Wanjiku solely resides at Dandora or K'Ogalo. Why do you think so little of her? The private sector has way further to go than the state.

My bad. In your world, D scoring tarmacers and other jobless youth primarily reside in the Rundas and Kileleshewas of Kenya.

[bryan275]

I don't disagree the government needs to improve. My only contention is that it has done much better than Wanjiku who excels in whining with impunity. For that less-than-perfect Vison 2030 (or 3020[sic]) - Wanjiku has not attempted to meet the government halfway.

Exactly how have you determined that GoK has done much better than a "whining" Wanjiku:

On Vision 2030 3020 Wanjiku has been paying the taxes for that little eating joke.   What exactly is it that you have Wanjiku do to "attempt to meet the government halfway"?

Start a hundred Safaricoms. Like Ford and Edison and Gates and Musk. Have you registered MOON Ki Plc yet?

This is like: buy cakes instead of whining about lack of bread. 100, eh? And to do it like Ford, Edison, Gates and Musk too. I suppose this means you think these people happened in identical environments as Wanjiku's because some report says "improved" somewhere. Wow.

It's no accident that the Teslas, ford's, Microsofts, googles, ibms, Facebooks, whatsapps, boeings etc sprouted out of America.  It's no accident.

[Nefertiti]

My contention on the Wanjiku-vs-Uhuru share of blame in the poverty monkey is why, dear MOON Ki, am suspicious and contemptuous of calls for "electoral justice", new parliamentary system, secession, etc. The ones you find amusing. All are aimed at Uhuru/government as a panacea for Wanjiku's misery. That's a big fallacy. It's the law of averages. It is Wanjiku who deserves the painful jab she's demanding for everyone but herself.

I see the electoral justice thing not so much as an economic matter as an issue of right and wrong.  A values thing.  Some people actually believe it's wrong to steal elections.  Whether we benefit economically or not is not germane to that belief.  If wanjiku wants bad leadership, then she should at least have a say in getting it.

This is dicey as we don't agree on basics like rigging. Considering how the present IEBC assumed office I don't hold my breath. I view the catcalls on Esther Nyaiyaki in the same light. Losers will rather descend into the abyss than accept responsibility.

Secession calls are based on feelings of exclusion.  Whether there is a basis for them or not is besides the point that the feelings are real and they need to find an, ideally peaceful, outlet.

Yes secession talk is excellent therapy. Before this we had Okoa Kenya. I see the People's Assembly as Okoa 2.0. I think you're naive to trust the intentions of the secession crew.

Do you think it is right for whining wanjiku to shoulder repayment of billions of USD in Eurobond while she cannot pinpoint a single benefit or does kamwana at least bear even tangential responsibility?

Glad you agree Wanjiku is the undisputed Whiner-in-Chief I am one of those who bought into the Ndii narrative that Eurobond cash was misappropriated. I believe Eurobond was Jubilee kitty for 2017. If the blubbering Bishop rolls his sleeves for once - and brings names forward ideally with Uhuru on top - I would support Wanjiku's or NASA's activities to see the thieves off. I don't hold my breath.

[Dear Mami]

Glad you agree Wanjiku is the undisputed Whiner-in-Chief I am one of those who bought into the Ndii narrative that Eurobond cash was misappropriated. I believe Eurobond was Jubilee kitty for 2017. If the blubbering Bishop rolls his sleeves for once - and brings names forward ideally with Uhuru on top - I would support Wanjiku's or NASA's activities to see the thieves off. I don't hold my breath.

   

[RV Pundit]

Only an idiot think one would be so stupid to launder eurobond via US Fed Reserve of all places. Eurobond is legit. Angloleasing was backstreet kind of deal that is perfect money laundering opportunity for the thieves - get some doggy promisory notes from debt vultures and try to launder it . How do you launder 2B dollars - from US debt market, Irish debt market, Fed Reserve bank and CBK of Kenya???????? Sometimes you guys need to use some intelligence - all the regulators and paper-trail?

Glad you agree Wanjiku is the undisputed Whiner-in-Chief I am one of those who bought into the Ndii narrative that Eurobond cash was misappropriated. I believe Eurobond was Jubilee kitty for 2017. If the blubbering Bishop rolls his sleeves for once - and brings names forward ideally with Uhuru on top - I would support Wanjiku's or NASA's activities to see the thieves off. I don't hold my breath.

   

[Dear Mami]

Only an idiot think one would be so stupid to launder eurobond via US Fed Reserve of all places. Eurobond is legit. Angloleasing was backstreet kind of deal that is perfect money laundering opportunity for the thieves. How do you launder 2B dollars - from US debt market, Irish debt market, Fed Reserve bank and CBK of Kenya???????? Sometimes you guys need to use some intelligence - all the regulators and paper-trail?

Glad you agree Wanjiku is the undisputed Whiner-in-Chief I am one of those who bought into the Ndii narrative that Eurobond cash was misappropriated. I believe Eurobond was Jubilee kitty for 2017. If the blubbering Bishop rolls his sleeves for once - and brings names forward ideally with Uhuru on top - I would support Wanjiku's or NASA's activities to see the thieves off. I don't hold my breath.

   

Keep your morning bhang to yourself. Who is talking about Eurobond? I will point out impressive intellectual summersaults performed in any post as I see them, donge? Here we have one statement directly contradicting the one it follows, both from the same person. "I don't believe X was misappropriated but I believe it was misappropriated." Just wow.

[RV Pundit]

I wasn't addressing you but Robina. Clearly this is waaaaaaaay beyond your paygrade. What do you know about Eurobond? I thought you're busy up there with unfortunate member of our society and trying to make all of us sad about it? You see you whine daily while not busy with ivory-towers.. I don't. I engage in finding practical ideas to problems facing us...including those unfortunate in our midst.

Keep your morning bhang to yourself. Who is talking about Eurobond? I will point out impressive intellectual summersaults performed in any post as I see them, donge? Here we have one statement directly contradicting the one it follows, both from the same person. "I don't believe X was misappropriated but I believe it was misappropriated." Just wow.

[Dear Mami]

I wasn't addressing you but Robina. Clearly this is waaaaaaaay beyond your paygrade. What do you know about Eurobond? I thought you're busy up there with unfortunate member of our society and trying to make all of us sad about it?

Keep your morning bhang to yourself. Who is talking about Eurobond? I will point out impressive intellectual summersaults performed in any post as I see them, donge? Here we have one statement directly contradicting the one it follows, both from the same person. "I don't believe X was misappropriated but I believe it was misappropriated." Just wow.

You quoted me, genius.