The Peoples' Republic is coming

[bryan275]

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Endebess iko ndani ndani ndani.... We will live in harmony with all our neighbours.  I'd push for Nairobi being converted into a neutral city state accessed by both republics.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I did see some hints of that in Raila's interview on CNN.  I think the thieving crew might push hard to keep Nairobi and parts of coast.

[bryan275]

I did see some hints of that in Raila's interview on CNN.  I think the thieving crew might push hard to keep Nairobi and parts of coast.

Well, both MSA and NBO can both be declared city states.  Shared by both.  Central Republic is in danger of becoming landlocked like Ethiopia.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I did see some hints of that in Raila's interview on CNN.  I think the thieving crew might push hard to keep Nairobi and parts of coast.

Well, both MSA and NBO can both be declared city states.  Shared by both.  Central Republic is in danger of becoming landlocked like Ethiopia.

Narok and Kajiado might also be problematic, having large numbers of immigrants from the Central Republic.  It looks like the People's Republic of Kenya might have to settle for an almost Palestinian like arrangement with bits of territory separated by a hostile neighbor.

[bryan275]

I did see some hints of that in Raila's interview on CNN.  I think the thieving crew might push hard to keep Nairobi and parts of coast.

Well, both MSA and NBO can both be declared city states.  Shared by both.  Central Republic is in danger of becoming landlocked like Ethiopia.

Narok and Kajiado might also be problematic, having large numbers of immigrants from the Central Republic.  It looks like the People's Republic of Kenya might have to settle for an almost Palestinian like arrangement with bits of territory separated by a hostile neighbor.

Not exactly, it will be like Brexit.  Your location on the day of the exit will determine citizenship.  I know a very large group of Central diaspora that have one native.  I can't wait to lose the marauding "warriors" from Uasin Gishu.  They'll need visas to come across..

[Ole]

Never gonna happen. Baba will have to find other means of resistance. Right now as we speak there is a huge shostage of food in Luo nyanza. Incase of a blockade it will only take a few days before mass hunger is declared. First you have to have food security then you have to own major business in your area including housing and transportation. Other  counties apart from core nasa  area should be willing to join the new nation. You have to have a plethora of things right before you can even think of seperating.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

There is self determination sentiment in Matabeleland.  Here is an interesting article.  Bazungu did a number on the African with their lumping of folks with nothing in common into baskets like livestock for exploitation.

Zimbabwe is not one country; to pretend otherwise is a dangerous hallucination. The country has to be divided into two federal states of Mashonaland and Mthwakazi (Matabeleland).  The issue of the statehood of Mthwakazi should have been resolved at the pre-independence negotiations in 1979 and the error was a tragic constitutional omission on the part of the delegation led by Joshua Nkomo. It should not have been assumed the Mthwakazians embraced the Zimbabwean identity. That assumption has never been put to test.

Zimbabwe, called Rhodesia before independence in 1980, is a former British colony. Although there are ten tribes which inhabit the country, Zimbabwe can effectively be divided into two nations, the Shona (75 per cent) and Mthwakazi, (25 per cent). Each ethnic group has further sub-divisions based on political, historical and geographical factors. Before colonisation in 1890/93, each group lived independently. However whilst Mthwakazi was a formally constituted state with all the mechanics of a government, Mashonaland existed only as a collection of scattered chiefdoms without any central authority linking them together.

The occupation of Mashonaland in 1980 was by means of a peaceful march of 500 men. The occupation of Matabeleland in 1893, on the other hand, was via an invasion force of 5 000 troops armed with the deadly Maxim gun, in a bloody war that lasted until 1894.

http://bulawayo24.com/index-id-opinion-sc-columnist-byo-120672.html

[Kichwa]

If there is food shortage in Nyanza then somewhere that food must be getting rotten and somebody is losing a lot of money. I am always the opinion that  the consumer is king.  Consumer can find other things to eat  or Not eat but the supplier had already invested their capital  and labor and it hurts more if they cannot sell their goods or services-eventually they too will not eat. Lets see who blinks first.   

A lot of people in NASA zones who did not vote  are telling me that not voting is the most liberating experience they have ever had and they are wondering why they had not done it earlier.  Not voting was the first step

Never gonna happen. Baba will have to find other means of resistance. Right now as we speak there is a huge shostage of food in Luo nyanza. Incase of a blockade it will only take a few days before mass hunger is declared. First you have to have food security then you have to own major business in your area including housing and transportation. Other  counties apart from core nasa  area should be willing to join the new nation. You have to have a plethora of things right before you can even think of seperating.

[RV Pundit]

Dreaming of sessesion is good therapy.never gonna happen.

[bryan275]

Never gonna happen. Baba will have to find other means of resistance. Right now as we speak there is a huge shostage of food in Luo nyanza. Incase of a blockade it will only take a few days before mass hunger is declared. First you have to have food security then you have to own major business in your area including housing and transportation. Other  counties apart from core nasa  area should be willing to join the new nation. You have to have a plethora of things right before you can even think of seperating.

This is jubilee type of thinking through the stomach.  Look at that map closely and then reread your foot shortage claim again. 

[GeeMail]

Kajiado is not an easy one (can go pipty pipty) now that there's gas rumors there. Bryan where is Uhurustan Empire on that map?

[Ole]

Remove narok, kajiado, kisii, nyamira, some western kenya and ukambani counties from the mix and you will remain with a very unsustainable nation. Baba should think other viable alternatives.
 

Never gonna happen. Baba will have to find other means of resistance. Right now as we speak there is a huge shostage of food in Luo nyanza. Incase of a blockade it will only take a few days before mass hunger is declared. First you have to have food security then you have to own major business in your area including housing and transportation. Other  counties apart from core nasa  area should be willing to join the new nation. You have to have a plethora of things right before you can even think of seperating.

This is jubilee type of thinking through the stomach.  Look at that map closely and then reread your foot shortage claim again.

[Ole]

It's true that sellers need buyers but in war/hostile environment you would rather have surplus food. In the week after the 8th August election a leaf of sukuma wiki was retailing at 50 shillings in kisumu. People in those regions should first begin to take charge of their economy before they start agitating for any kind of separation. During the iebc protest I went through migori, awendo, Rongo, and Hobamabay and the food situation was bad. I don't know whether the soil is just bad or people are not into farming. My solution to this impasse is more devolution so that the presidency can be completely diminished. Let's take governors to our own people. 

If there is food shortage in Nyanza then somewhere that food must be getting rotten and somebody is losing a lot of money. I am always the opinion that  the consumer is king.  Consumer can find other things to eat  or Not eat but the supplier had already invested their capital  and labor and it hurts more if they cannot sell their goods or services-eventually they too will not eat. Lets see who blinks first.   

A lot of people in NASA zones who did not vote  are telling me that not voting is the most liberating experience they have ever had and they are wondering why they had not done it earlier.  Not voting was the first step

Never gonna happen. Baba will have to find other means of resistance. Right now as we speak there is a huge shostage of food in Luo nyanza. Incase of a blockade it will only take a few days before mass hunger is declared. First you have to have food security then you have to own major business in your area including housing and transportation. Other  counties apart from core nasa  area should be willing to join the new nation. You have to have a plethora of things right before you can even think of seperating.

[RV Pundit]

If NASA were seriously interested in such a serious debate - they will find many takers - including yours truly. Of course the way counties have mismanaged the health sector - nurses have been on an endless strike in most counties - mean we need to be careful with devolving critical services until counties have build capacity to handle such.

We need to move from devolution to federal states - and that will make everyone nearly happy.

Raila and his bunch of idiots are still nursing wounds of defeat - and are not ready for sober dialogoue - so for now - the police need to force sense into their heads.

My solution to this impasse is more devolution so that the presidency can be completely diminished. Let's take governors to our own people. 

[Ole]

Counties will continue having teething problems but after a while and with a strong and empowered members of the county assemblies and a serious anticorruption campaigns  they should be able to function and be more accountable to the people. A strong presidency is our undoing.

If NASA were seriously interested in such a serious debate - they will find many takers - including yours truly. Of course the way counties have mismanaged the health sector - nurses have been on an endless strike in most counties - mean we need to be careful with devolving critical services until counties have build capacity to handle such.

We need to move from devolution to federal states - and that will make everyone nearly happy.

Raila and his bunch of idiots are still nursing wounds of defeat - and are not ready for sober dialogoue - so for now - the police need to force sense into their heads.

My solution to this impasse is more devolution so that the presidency can be completely diminished. Let's take governors to our own people. 

[Kichwa]

Secession is now squarely on the table and is gaining currency faster than I even imagined not too long ago.  Not voting has really emboldened people and made them realize the power of defiance and boycott.  People are already immune to teargas and they have been rendered useless.  The water canons are to expensive to maintain and are breaking down, the police are tired, unfed, underpaid and cannot sustain a prolonged struggle.  Live bullets is the only thing left for them but if that is over used then you will radicalize the youth further and Ruto will not be able to handle the domestic and the international PR disaster which will emanate from that.

If NASA were seriously interested in such a serious debate - they will find many takers - including yours truly. Of course the way counties have mismanaged the health sector - nurses have been on an endless strike in most counties - mean we need to be careful with devolving critical services until counties have build capacity to handle such.

We need to move from devolution to federal states - and that will make everyone nearly happy.

Raila and his bunch of idiots are still nursing wounds of defeat - and are not ready for sober dialogoue - so for now - the police need to force sense into their heads.

My solution to this impasse is more devolution so that the presidency can be completely diminished. Let's take governors to our own people. 

[Nefertiti]

Federalism is a journey. NASA needs to respect democracy first and play a responsible opposition.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Federalism is a journey. NASA needs to respect democracy first and play a responsible opposition.

Robina,

Do you think free and fair elections matter in a democracy?

[bryan275]

Federalism is a journey. NASA needs to respect democracy first and play a responsible opposition.

Robina,

Do you think free and fair elections matter in a democracy?

Ouch

[Ole]

Democracy consist of a free and fair election. Federalism won't work without adhering to the rule of law and following  due process.

Federalism is a journey. NASA needs to respect democracy first and play a responsible opposition.