Njoki Ndungu LIED on the Bench

[Omollo]

The day Pundit will teach me anything is the day I will stop posting here and move to a Korean Monastery to live in seclusion.

Let us expose the ignoramus:L Post here the evidence to back your claim that:4 days after an presidential election is filled - IEBC MUST and THEY DID present all FORM 34 As and Form 34Bs. 

If you fail say so then I will in turn continue with educating you pro bono.

So you're actually arguing from point of ignorance as always. You need to read election act moron.

4 days after an presidential election is filled - IEBC MUST and THEY DID present all FORM 34 As and Form 34Bs.

This happened on August 24th - way before Raila interlocutory order - which was filled out of time and was in my view tangential to the case.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/08/23/iebc-delivers-forms-34-a-b-and-c-to-supreme-court_c1621566

[Kadame10]

How would she present her analysis? Isn't that her job in determining the truth of the allegations made?

Njoki would beg differ. She has presented a whole list of factual findings that no one produced but her.

Proper analysing means we don't have to now go to these documents ourselves and check if her claims are true. They would have been already been presented at the hearing and challenged for their truth/not. And then Njoki's finding would make sense. The point you are stressing: that the issue is that we need to determine who is lying here, that's what the whole trial/hearing process is for.

[RV Pundit]

You're ignorant. Njoki is not aggrieved.The aggrieved person here is Uhuru and Kenyans. Let try a moronic version - you're sentenced to death by 3 out 4 judges - one judge say the dna looks faked  but majority relies on DNA expert to arrive at the decision. You later discover the so called expert was lying bastard. You go back and present the evidence. The 3 judges who believed the DNA expert - will now have to re-examine the evidence again - and see if they can arrive at the same decision with that evidence removed. That is LEGAL REVIEW 101. Njoki job is done. She has washed her hands.

You can seek redress.  But it takes more than a mere disagreement with the observation of one party.  The burden of proof in this case would be on Njoki.  As it stands right now, her opinion is little more than a fart.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

You're ignorant. Njoki is not aggrieved.The aggrieved person here is Uhuru and Kenyans. Let try a moronic version - you're sentenced to death by 3 out 4 judges - one judge say the dna was faked but majority relies on DNA expert to arrive at the decision. You later discover the so called expert was lying bastard. You go back and present the evidence. The 3 judges who believed the DNA expert - will now have to re-examine the evidence again - and see if they can arrive at the same decision with that evidence removed.

You can seek redress.  But it takes more than a mere disagreement with the observation of one party.  The burden of proof in this case would be on Njoki.  As it stands right now, her opinion is little more than a fart.

It's SCOK.  Deal with it.

[RV Pundit]

IEBC once a petition has been filled - is required by law - to furnish the petitioner, the respondents and SCOK court - with form 34s. I don't know how hard that is to understand. This was done way before Raila asked for the originals.

Or you need pictures of Chiloba delivering Form 34s to NJoki. That is Chiloba on 24 august presenting FORM 34s to Njoki - so tell us when she introduce her own evidence.

The day Pundit will teach me anything is the day I will stop posting here and move to a Korean Monastery to live in seclusion.

Let us expose the ignoramus:L Post here the evidence to back your claim that:4 days after an presidential election is filled - IEBC MUST and THEY DID present all FORM 34 As and Form 34Bs. 

If you fail say so then I will in turn continue with educating you pro bono.

[RV Pundit]

Deal with what? I am dealing with your ignorance. Invest in law 101. This is ICC redux but this time round you don't have MoonKi to help you out. This things you can actually read and learn. I didn't go to any law schools but I can ran circles around a bimbo like Kadame.

It's SCOK.  Deal with it.

[vooke]

Jubilee strongly believe there was a coup.
They should apply for scrutiny of these documents. Njoki has given them some starting point.

Yes it's SCOK and final but proving that the decision was arrived at out of defective evidence will have advance their narrative a long way just as a recount will.

These exercises cost money but so do campaigns

[Kadame10]

You're ignorant. Njoki is not aggrieved.The aggrieved person here is Uhuru and Kenyans. Let try a moronic version - you're sentenced to death by 3 out 4 judges - one judge say the dna looks faked  but majority relies on DNA expert to arrive at the decision. You later discover the so called expert was lying bastard. You go back and present the evidence. The 3 judges who believed the DNA expert - will now have to re-examine the evidence again - and see if they can arrive at the same decision with that evidence removed. That is LEGAL REVIEW 101. Njoki job is done. She has washed her hands.

You can seek redress.  But it takes more than a mere disagreement with the observation of one party.  The burden of proof in this case would be on Njoki.  As it stands right now, her opinion is little more than a fart.

That example misses the point of the debate. Unless you are saying Uhuru discovered the experts were lying and then used Njoki to introduce this after the fact when the case was done.

[Omollo]

I simply asked you to refer me to the specific law that contains that automaticity. Should I translate my request into Kipsigis? I can manage nandi, is that good enough?

IEBC once a petition has been filled - is required by law - to furnish the petitioner, the respondents and SCOK court - with form 34s. I don't know how hard that is to understand.

The day Pundit will teach me anything is the day I will stop posting here and move to a Korean Monastery to live in seclusion.

Let us expose the ignoramus:L Post here the evidence to back your claim that:4 days after an presidential election is filled - IEBC MUST and THEY DID present all FORM 34 As and Form 34Bs. 

If you fail say so then I will in turn continue with educating you pro bono.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Deal with what? I am dealing with your ignorance. Invest in law 101. This is ICC redux but this time round you don't have MoonKi to help you out. This things you can actually read and learn. I didn't go to any law schools but I can ran circles around a bimbo like Kadame.

It's SCOK.  Deal with it.

Grieve and soil your pants in peace.  Leave me out of it.

[RV Pundit]

You have a problem reading ammended election act if yes please find this picture taken at SCOK HQ. I know you're ignorant - IEBC gave SCOK all the forms 34s. Raila petition which was filled later - asked for the originals.
{Img]https://www.the-star.co.ke/sites/default/files/styles/new_full_content/public/1621515.jpg?itok=D8z2Pk2S[/img]

I simply asked you to refer me to the specific law that contains that automaticity. Should I translate my request into Kipsigis? I can manage nandi, is that good enough?

[Omollo]

1. The exercise would be futile
2. Even if the result say Raila won or Uhuru lost, GEMA would believe one thing and NASA would believe another
3. It is my opinion that the NIS has fixed the boxes and now they are ready for "recounting".

Jubilee strongly believe there was a coup.
They should apply for scrutiny of these documents. Njoki has given them some starting point.

Yes it's SCOK and final but proving that the decision was arrived at out of defective evidence will have advance their narrative a long way just as a recount will.

These exercises cost money but so do campaigns

[RV Pundit]

You can exit this thread coz honestly this is way beyond your paygrade.

Grieve and soil your pants in peace.  Leave me out of it.

[RV Pundit]

I think for posturity and for accountability this need to be done.
We have a situation where copies presented to court and parties - differ with originals that Raila ambushed everyone with by demanding them.
Obviously someone replaced the originals with fakes.
Someone in IEBC obviously working with NASA did this.
If you read Nyakai report - NASA crew seem to know where the fakes were.
They planted it the same way they had someone FAKE Kethi Kilonzo registration form.
Going by IEBC Kaasit and Muite - they were sure their original were good.
They didn't imagine someone had inflitrated their systems and planted fakes.
Investigation out to commences - check the CCTVS and the shebang.

Jubilee strongly believe there was a coup.
They should apply for scrutiny of these documents. Njoki has given them some starting point.

Yes it's SCOK and final but proving that the decision was arrived at out of defective evidence will have advance their narrative a long way just as a recount will.

These exercises cost money but so do campaigns

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

You can exit this thread coz honestly this is way beyond your paygrade.

Grieve and soil your pants in peace.  Leave me out of it.

I will.  I'll rejoin when the legal review starts.

[Omollo]

Again my offer to translate to Kipsigis stands.

I am requesting you to provide proof of something you claimed, especially as you indicated that lack of knowledge of it amounts to ignorance and idiocy etc.

You have indicated there is an automaticity in the law that kicks in and trigger a specific reaction. Kindly favor me with a copy of that law or better still give me a reference.
[Quote="RV Pundit on Today at 06:41:00 PM"
IEBC once a petition has been filled - is required by law - to furnish the petitioner, the respondents and SCOK court - with form 34s. I don't know how hard that is to understand.

I have not denied that IEBC provided all the forms. That is NOT the issue, is it? Because if you think that is the issue that you should be responding to then we have the same problem Uhuru's lawyers faced in the court  - namely answering questions not asked and failing to answer the ones asked!

Try again or let me post it in Nandi

You have a problem reading ammended election act if yes please find this picture taken at SCOK HQ. I know you're ignorant - IEBC gave SCOK all the forms 34s. Raila petition which was filled later - asked for the originals.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/sites/default/files/styles/new_full_content/public/1621515.jpg?itok=D8z2Pk2S

I simply asked you to refer me to the specific law that contains that automaticity. Should I translate my request into Kipsigis? I can manage nandi, is that good enough?

[vooke]

1. The exercise would be futile
2. Even if the result say Raila won or Uhuru lost, GEMA would believe one thing and NASA would believe another
3. It is my opinion that the NIS has fixed the boxes and now they are ready for "recounting".

Jubilee strongly believe there was a coup.
They should apply for scrutiny of these documents. Njoki has given them some starting point.

Yes it's SCOK and final but proving that the decision was arrived at out of defective evidence will have advance their narrative a long way just as a recount will.

These exercises cost money but so do campaigns

[vooke]

Again my offer to translate to Kipsigis stands.

I am requesting you to provide proof of something you claimed, especially as you indicated that lack of knowledge of it amounts to ignorance and idiocy etc.

You have indicated there is an automaticity in the law that kicks in and trigger a specific reaction. Kindly favor me with a copy of that law or better still give me a reference.
[Quote="RV Pundit on Today at 06:41:00 PM"
IEBC once a petition has been filled - is required by law - to furnish the petitioner, the respondents and SCOK court - with form 34s. I don't know how hard that is to understand.

I have not denied that IEBC provided all the forms. That is NOT the issue, is it? Because if you think that is the issue that you should be responding to then we have the same problem Uhuru's lawyers faced in the court  - namely answering questions not asked and failing to answer the ones asked!

Try again or let me post it in Nandi

You have a problem reading ammended election act if yes please find this picture taken at SCOK HQ. I know you're ignorant - IEBC gave SCOK all the forms 34s. Raila petition which was filled later - asked for the originals.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/sites/default/files/styles/new_full_content/public/1621515.jpg?itok=D8z2Pk2S

I simply asked you to refer me to the specific law that contains that automaticity. Should I translate my request into Kipsigis? I can manage nandi, is that good enough?

Section 12 (2) of the Supreme Court Act, 2011
http://kenyalaw.org/lex/rest//db/kenyalex/Kenya/Legislation/English/Acts%20and%20Regulations/S/Supreme%20Court%20Act%20Cap.%209A%20-%20Act%20No.%207%20of%202011/docs/SupremeCourtAct7of2011.pdf

[RV Pundit]

Please do this. Otherwise I am not in business of helping you do your homework. Read election laws.

Again my offer to translate to Kipsigis stands.

[Omollo]

How about a full fledged Commission of Inquiry led by an International Judge to:
1. Look into the 2013 and 2017 elections

Oops .. Today is the 4th Anniversary of Westgate! Yet no commision of inquiry promised by Uhuru Kenyatta. Please remind him when you are smoking weed together this evening, would you?

I think for posturity and for accountability this need to be done.
We have a situation where copies presented to court and parties - differ with originals that Raila ambushed everyone with by demanding them.
Obviously someone replaced the originals with fakes.
Someone in IEBC obviously working with NASA did this.
If you read Nyakai report - NASA crew seem to know where the fakes were.
They planted it the same way they had someone FAKE Kethi Kilonzo registration form.
Going by IEBC Kaasit and Muite - they were sure their original were good.
They didn't imagine someone had inflitrated their systems and planted fakes.
Investigation out to commences - check the CCTVS and the shebang.

Jubilee strongly believe there was a coup.
They should apply for scrutiny of these documents. Njoki has given them some starting point.

Yes it's SCOK and final but proving that the decision was arrived at out of defective evidence will have advance their narrative a long way just as a recount will.

These exercises cost money but so do campaigns