NASWA vs Safran & IEBC

[vooke]

So what is different?

Dialogue.....sensible dialogue

I shared here IEBC's ideas

????? Dialogue? Thats whats different about this elections? Wow.

NASWA's 'irreducible minimum' are dialogue. How else do you expect communication between them?

[Kadame7]

So what is different?

Dialogue.....sensible dialogue

I shared here IEBC's ideas

????? Dialogue? Thats whats different about this elections? Wow.

NASWA's 'irreducible minimum' are dialogue. How else do you expect communication between them?

I'm really confused what your deal is and especially your "big fat myth" since I said its insane to go ahead with the same set-up. What were you rebutting? Im being serious here.

[vooke]

So what is different?

Dialogue.....sensible dialogue

I shared here IEBC's ideas

????? Dialogue? Thats whats different about this elections? Wow.

NASWA's 'irreducible minimum' are dialogue. How else do you expect communication between them?

I'm really confused what your deal is and especially your "big fat myth" since I said its insane to go ahead with the same set-up. What were you rebutting? Im being serious here.

IEBC has demonstrated willingness to change and make necessary changes in the coming elections. So there's no way we can have the 'same setup'.

[bryan275]

So what is different?

Dialogue.....sensible dialogue

I shared here IEBC's ideas

????? Dialogue? Thats whats different about this elections? Wow.

NASWA's 'irreducible minimum' are dialogue. How else do you expect communication between them?

I'm really confused what your deal is and especially your "big fat myth" since I said its insane to go ahead with the same set-up. What were you rebutting? Im being serious here.

IEBC has demonstrated willingness to change and make necessary changes in the coming elections. So there's no way we can have the 'same setup'.

There's saying and doing something, and also just saying.  Iebc are just saying while doing nothing.

[Kadame7]

So what is different?

Dialogue.....sensible dialogue

I shared here IEBC's ideas

????? Dialogue? Thats whats different about this elections? Wow.

NASWA's 'irreducible minimum' are dialogue. How else do you expect communication between them?

I'm really confused what your deal is and especially your "big fat myth" since I said its insane to go ahead with the same set-up. What were you rebutting? Im being serious here.

IEBC has demonstrated willingness to change and make necessary changes in the coming elections. So there's no way we can have the 'same setup'.

So how is this a challenge to what I said? Just to repeat I said Raila should boycott the elections if there are no reforms. Dont understand the confusion or myth.

[vooke]

So what is different?

Dialogue.....sensible dialogue

I shared here IEBC's ideas

????? Dialogue? Thats whats different about this elections? Wow.

NASWA's 'irreducible minimum' are dialogue. How else do you expect communication between them?

I'm really confused what your deal is and especially your "big fat myth" since I said its insane to go ahead with the same set-up. What were you rebutting? Im being serious here.

IEBC has demonstrated willingness to change and make necessary changes in the coming elections. So there's no way we can have the 'same setup'.

So how is this a challenge to what I said? Just to repeat I said Raila should boycott the elections if there are no reforms. Dont understand the confusion or myth.

That's next to a truism. Problem is Babu's version of what reforms amount to. It's either his 'irreducible minimum' or IEBC is not reformed

[Kadame7]

So what is different?

Dialogue.....sensible dialogue

I shared here IEBC's ideas

????? Dialogue? Thats whats different about this elections? Wow.

NASWA's 'irreducible minimum' are dialogue. How else do you expect communication between them?

I'm really confused what your deal is and especially your "big fat myth" since I said its insane to go ahead with the same set-up. What were you rebutting? Im being serious here.

IEBC has demonstrated willingness to change and make necessary changes in the coming elections. So there's no way we can have the 'same setup'.

So how is this a challenge to what I said? Just to repeat I said Raila should boycott the elections if there are no reforms. Dont understand the confusion or myth.

That's next to a truism. Problem is Babu's version of what reforms amount to. It's either his 'irreducible minimum' or IEBC is not reformed

If IEBC says no to the irreducible, it should have a good reason. Which one do you think is untennable? Reforms means at least those who bungled the last exercise are gone, what happened to the server is fully accessed per the order Chebu are in contempt for disobeying and publicly audited and the transmissions issues sorted and forms and ways to ensure they are replaced/duplicated also sorted. These are what went wrong last time. Asking people to rinse and repeat without sorting these will not constitite a "willingness to reform" no matter what words one prephases the non-action with.

[vooke]

So what is different?

Dialogue.....sensible dialogue

I shared here IEBC's ideas

????? Dialogue? Thats whats different about this elections? Wow.

NASWA's 'irreducible minimum' are dialogue. How else do you expect communication between them?

I'm really confused what your deal is and especially your "big fat myth" since I said its insane to go ahead with the same set-up. What were you rebutting? Im being serious here.

IEBC has demonstrated willingness to change and make necessary changes in the coming elections. So there's no way we can have the 'same setup'.

So how is this a challenge to what I said? Just to repeat I said Raila should boycott the elections if there are no reforms. Dont understand the confusion or myth.

That's next to a truism. Problem is Babu's version of what reforms amount to. It's either his 'irreducible minimum' or IEBC is not reformed

If IEBC says no to the irreducible, it should have a good reason. Which one do you think is untennable? Reforms means at least those who bungled the last exercise are gone, what happened to the server is fully accessed per the order Chebu are in contempt for disobeying and publicly audited and the transmissions issues sorted and forms and ways to ensure they are replaced/duplicated also sorted. These are what went wrong last time. Asking people to rinse and repeat without sorting these will not constitite a "willingness to reform" no matter what words one prephases the non-action with.

Contempt of court if for SCOK to determine. Don't jump gun..you'll know in the next 24hrs

Fingering who IEBC should sack is not helpful unless you know exactly what out of all the presented in court persuaded the judges. Again, don't jump gun. Besides, what if Jubilee similarly and rabidly fingered the proposed replacements as NASWA moles? IEBC is currently under two factions. Let them be, let the equilibrium remain....unless there is some severe indictment of some specific negroes

Parties appointing ROs is schizophrenia. Do you need an explanation?

There's no time for implementing a fresh KIEMS nor fresh tendering. Safran and Al Ghurair are the ONLY sensible option. So any negotiation taking these off is plain stupid,unless someone is fishing for some slice/crumbs.

I can go on and on but as I told you, dialogue is what will help. Not grandstanding. IEBC gave them every Tuesday. Tomorrow will be wasted waiting on the full determination (unless one or both of them are privy to its contents already), but they shouldn't squander it,let them sit and get cover concrete ground,and issue a joint statement to this effect.

[Kadame7]

Contempt of court if for SCOK to determine. Don't jump gun..you'll know in the next 24hrs

Fingering who IEBC should sack is not helpful unless you know exactly what out of all the presented in court persuaded the judges. Again, don't jump gun. Besides, what if Jubilee similarly and rabidly fingered the proposed replacements as NASWA moles? IEBC is currently under two factions. Let them be, let the equilibrium remain....unless there is some severe indictment of some specific negroes

Parties appointing ROs is schizophrenia. Do you need an explanation?

There's no time for implementing a fresh KIEMS nor fresh tendering. Safran and Al Ghurair are the ONLY sensible option. So any negotiation taking these off is plain stupid,unless someone is fishing for some slice/crumbs.

I can go on and on but as I told you, dialogue is what will help. Not grandstanding. IEBC gave them every Tuesday. Tomorrow will be wasted waiting on the full determination (unless one or both of them are privy to its contents already), but they shouldn't squander it,let them sit and get cover concrete ground,and issue a joint statement to this effect.

Like I said, kila mtu na agenda zake.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

If IEBC says no to the irreducible, it should have a good reason. Which one do you think is untennable? Reforms means at least those who bungled the last exercise are gone, what happened to the server is fully accessed per the order Chebu are in contempt for disobeying and publicly audited and the transmissions issues sorted and forms and ways to ensure they are replaced/duplicated also sorted. These are what went wrong last time. Asking people to rinse and repeat without sorting these will not constitite a "willingness to reform" no matter what words one prephases the non-action with.

Yep.  Something like that.  A very basic precondition.  Something went wrong.  Let's air it out and explain why it won't happen this time round.  Then we can try a rerun.  Only a fool(or as is more likely someone with something to hide) suggests going ahead without even acknowledging, let alone trying to understand, the things that went wrong. 

[RV Pundit]

Exactly. The NASA bozos think everyone has suspended their reasoning capacity and donated it to Baba. I am okay if they make reasonable, sensible and practical suggestions. But first of - they need to wait for SCOK decision so we know exactly what didn't meet the muster. Then for any accusation - EVIDENCE - and due process is required. The rest like replacing Algurair or technology or now Safaricom are clear tell-tale signs somebody is erecting road-blocks in election that MUST be held in 30 days now.

Contempt of court if for SCOK to determine. Don't jump gun..you'll know in the next 24hrs

Fingering who IEBC should sack is not helpful unless you know exactly what out of all the presented in court persuaded the judges. Again, don't jump gun. Besides, what if Jubilee similarly and rabidly fingered the proposed replacements as NASWA moles? IEBC is currently under two factions. Let them be, let the equilibrium remain....unless there is some severe indictment of some specific negroes

Parties appointing ROs is schizophrenia. Do you need an explanation?

There's no time for implementing a fresh KIEMS nor fresh tendering. Safran and Al Ghurair are the ONLY sensible option. So any negotiation taking these off is plain stupid,unless someone is fishing for some slice/crumbs.

I can go on and on but as I told you, dialogue is what will help. Not grandstanding. IEBC gave them every Tuesday. Tomorrow will be wasted waiting on the full determination (unless one or both of them are privy to its contents already), but they shouldn't squander it,let them sit and get cover concrete ground,and issue a joint statement to this effect.

[Kichwa]

You cannot have it both ways Pundit. IEBC started the whole thing. They set the date for re-elections, started on the road which seems like reforms by sidelining Chiloba and creating a new team to over-see the elections, then Ruto intervened by strong muscling them and they went back to Chilobo. Why didn't they just wait for the full ruling in the first place.  We are not going to let Ruto run this elections through his paid agents in the secretariat like he did in the now discredited 8/8 presidential elections.

Exactly. The NASA bozos think everyone has suspended their reasoning capacity and donated it to Baba. I am okay if they make reasonable, sensible and practical suggestions. But first of - they need to wait for SCOK decision so we know exactly what didn't meet the muster. Then for any accusation - EVIDENCE - and due process is required. The rest like replacing Algurair or technology or now Safaricom are clear tell-tale signs somebody is erecting road-blocks in election that MUST be held in 30 days now.

Contempt of court if for SCOK to determine. Don't jump gun..you'll know in the next 24hrs

Fingering who IEBC should sack is not helpful unless you know exactly what out of all the presented in court persuaded the judges. Again, don't jump gun. Besides, what if Jubilee similarly and rabidly fingered the proposed replacements as NASWA moles? IEBC is currently under two factions. Let them be, let the equilibrium remain....unless there is some severe indictment of some specific negroes

Parties appointing ROs is schizophrenia. Do you need an explanation?

There's no time for implementing a fresh KIEMS nor fresh tendering. Safran and Al Ghurair are the ONLY sensible option. So any negotiation taking these off is plain stupid,unless someone is fishing for some slice/crumbs.

I can go on and on but as I told you, dialogue is what will help. Not grandstanding. IEBC gave them every Tuesday. Tomorrow will be wasted waiting on the full determination (unless one or both of them are privy to its contents already), but they shouldn't squander it,let them sit and get cover concrete ground,and issue a joint statement to this effect.

[Omollo]

ELECTION IT PROVIDER Safran gave IEBC Sh200 million bribe for tender, NASA MPs claim, demand the company leave the country over bungled poll pic.twitter.com/tQmRUhDqTq

— TheStarBreaking (@TheStarBreaking) September 18, 2017

[RV Pundit]

So they wriggle their fingers for 30 days as they wait for SCOK. I think they know enough about elections to independently asses what went wrong..with or without this SCOK rulling.. I expect IEBC to continuously improve...as they aim for perfect elections. What I don't expect is NASA jumping the gun and acting like SCOK who can give orders to IEBC. Only judiciary can ORDER IEBC to do xyz. NASA are participant. They cannot order IEBC with some "Minimum Irreducible Demand". They don't have to participate in election; can always ran to court and get ORDERS against IEBC.

You cannot have it both ways Pundit. IEBC started the whole thing. They set the date for re-elections, started on the road which seems like reforms by sidelining Chiloba and creating a new team to over-see the elections, then Ruto intervened by strong muscling them and they went back to Chilobo. Why didn't they just wait for the full ruling in the first place.  We are not going to let Ruto run this elections through his paid agents in the secretariat like he did in the now discredited 8/8 presidential elections.

[vooke]

So they wriggle their fingers for 30 days as they wait for SCOK. I think they know enough about elections to independently asses what went wrong..with or without this SCOK rulling.. I expect IEBC to continuously improve...as they aim for perfect elections. What I don't expect is NASA jumping the gun and acting like SCOK who can give orders to IEBC. Only judiciary can ORDER IEBC to do xyz. NASA are participant. They cannot order IEBC with some "Minimum Irreducible Demand". They don't have to participate in election; can always ran to court and get ORDERS against IEBC.

You cannot have it both ways Pundit. IEBC started the whole thing. They set the date for re-elections, started on the road which seems like reforms by sidelining Chiloba and creating a new team to over-see the elections, then Ruto intervened by strong muscling them and they went back to Chilobo. Why didn't they just wait for the full ruling in the first place.  We are not going to let Ruto run this elections through his paid agents in the secretariat like he did in the now discredited 8/8 presidential elections.

The courts are unlikely to help NASWA hence the wild demands.

But my hunch tells me this makelele is just aiming impossibly higher and landing somewhere higher than you but way lower than you aimed.