Chiloba speaks

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I see you invent a new standard and you want IEBC to retro-actively fulfill them. There is a lot of ways to verify what was sent via KIMS. Obviously server logs would have such data if it was configured to have them. Still even in pre-tech era - elections were verifiable - by agents signatures - pictures people took when results were pinned on the world.

That is not my point.  Even if it's debatable. 

The actual point is that there is not one record of transmission with polling station, KIEMS kitidentification, location and time stamp associated with the information on the portal that IEBC has shared.  Just 1 out of 40,883.  I don't know why, but the reason for that cannot be a good one.

This is information, that just by itself, would go some ways in debunking claims that these are figures entered fraudulently into the system.  Without that information, you cannot even start to debunk the claim that none of that data was entered at the polling stations.

It's not a standard.  It's just a fact I am stating.  If that info is out there, and I were IEBC, I would have put it out there to buttress even the points you are making.

[RV Pundit]

Precisely. NASA or CORD were helpless against Mutunga - but definitely Magara has a formidable enemy in Jubilee. He will have to reckon with the executive and parliamentary. I don't see him surviving much - he has to resign.

But threats have nothing to do with criticizing a judgement.

For one Babu was out of government so his options were terribly limited. Then he was outnumbered in parliament.

Fact,and point,remains that Babu accepted and criticized a SCOK decision FOR YEARS  yet his number one fan can't reconcile Uhunye accepting and criticizing a SCOK decision FOR 2 WEEKS

[Kadame7]

Of course they believe the court was wrong, however, you cannot say you accept the courts ruling and then refuse to accept its findings.  The findings are that IEBC engaged in irregularities and illegalities. Those are serious charges and you cannot say you accept the verdict and then insist that the same people who were found culpable should do it again. This is the highest court in the land and its findings are final whether you agree with it or NOT.

Stop being silly.
Babu accepted 2013 decision but has been whining about a stolen election for the past 5yrs

You can abide by the ruling since there is little else you can do and still criticize it as NASWA/CORD has been doing for the last 5yrs. Uhuru is no different. That he is busy campaigning and preparing for the coming election means he has accepted the ruling.

Where was the push to remove Mutunga and company from office following their ruling without a full judgment in 2013? Complete with a you-will-see-us finger-wagging? That's the part I seem to miss in all these false equivalencies where criticisms of judgments = direct threats to judges.

But threats have nothing to do with criticizing a judgement.

For one Babu was out of government so his options were terribly limited. Then he was outnumbered in parliament.

Fact,and point,remains that Babu accepted and criticized a SCOK decision FOR YEARS  yet his number one fan can't reconcile Uhunye accepting and criticizing a SCOK decision FOR 2 WEEKS

Fact is: there were NO threats to judges in 2013 and you have to make up a hypothetical that there would have been All this to excuse Jubilee's IMMEDIATE launch of threats. Rao was rightly condemned for mere criticisms but Jubilee's number one closeted fan has to make up a hypothetical threat to equivocate with the open judicial witch-hunts we are witnessing.  It must be tough pretending to be neutral.

[RV Pundit]

You'll still claim it was manipulated. NASA Tech Agent were given server logs. Then they demanded access - and they go it - albeit late. Now IEBC are saying they are open to server audit.  In this era of SOCIAL MEDIA - explain to me why evidence of Jubilee rigging or manipulation has not surfaced. Everyone I know nearly has facebook account. If you say Kisii votes were stolen - it should be easy to find evidence from NASA diehards - they were in polling stations, they counted the votes, the agents signed and copy was pinned. Show up pictures that someone took of the counting & what was pinned on the wall -- and what later turned out in Nairobi. --so we can understand the "Transmission" issues this election had.

It's not a standard.  It's just a fact I am stating.  If that info is out there, and I were IEBC, I would have put it out there to buttress even the points you are making.

[vooke]

Of course they believe the court was wrong, however, you cannot say you accept the courts ruling and then refuse to accept its findings.  The findings are that IEBC engaged in irregularities and illegalities. Those are serious charges and you cannot say you accept the verdict and then insist that the same people who were found culpable should do it again. This is the highest court in the land and its findings are final whether you agree with it or NOT.

Stop being silly.
Babu accepted 2013 decision but has been whining about a stolen election for the past 5yrs

You can abide by the ruling since there is little else you can do and still criticize it as NASWA/CORD has been doing for the last 5yrs. Uhuru is no different. That he is busy campaigning and preparing for the coming election means he has accepted the ruling.

Where was the push to remove Mutunga and company from office following their ruling without a full judgment in 2013? Complete with a you-will-see-us finger-wagging? That's the part I seem to miss in all these false equivalencies where criticisms of judgments = direct threats to judges.

But threats have nothing to do with criticizing a judgement.

For one Babu was out of government so his options were terribly limited. Then he was outnumbered in parliament.

Fact,and point,remains that Babu accepted and criticized a SCOK decision FOR YEARS  yet his number one fan can't reconcile Uhunye accepting and criticizing a SCOK decision FOR 2 WEEKS

Fact is: there were NO threats to judges in 2013 and you have to make up a hypothetical that there would have been All this to excuse Jubilee's IMMEDIATE launch of threats. Rao was rightly condemned for mere criticisms but Jubilee's number one closeted fan has to make up a hypothetical threat to equivocate with the open judicial witch-hunts we are witnessing.  It must be tough pretending to be neutral.

Babu's reaction need not be equal to Uhunye's to make my point; it suffices that both have attacked a determination after accepting it contrary to KM's claim that you can't attack and accept a decision.

Anything else ni pang'ang'a

[vooke]

You'll still claim it was manipulated. NASA Tech Agent were given server logs. Then they demanded access - and they go it - albeit late. Now IEBC are saying they are open to server audit.  In this era of SOCIAL MEDIA - explain to me why evidence of Jubilee rigging or manipulation has not surfaced. Everyone I know nearly has facebook account. If you say Kisii votes were stolen - it should be easy to find evidence from NASA diehards - they were in polling stations, they counted the votes, the agents signed and copy was pinned. Show up pictures that someone took of the counting & what was pinned on the wall -- and what later turned out in Nairobi. --so we can understand the "Transmission" issues this election had.

It's not a standard.  It's just a fact I am stating.  If that info is out there, and I were IEBC, I would have put it out there to buttress even the points you are making.

kadame believes that all this evidence is allergic to internet hence it NEVER saw light of day outside the courtroom

[Kadame7]

It definitely faulty because this evidence we've been looking for and haven't seen it. I don't think there is a more powerful evidence of rigging than this. Obviously there was no rigging - so NASA went for processes laps and gaps - and the foolish Magara and his gang of four - bought it hook, line and sinker. The legal world is waiting for the earth shattering full judgement.

If my memory is faulty then thats ok too.

The legal world understands the law. Its politicians and other non lawyers who think the judges are somewhere somehow struggling to write a reasoned judgment.

But this was not the case in 2013 where losers and all their supporters criticized a judgement. Ok

Who said so? If you find even one post of mine complaining that ANYONE has criticized a judgment, I will render full and unconditional apologies. WE criticize judgments ALL the time. Go to any law class and tell me if you can find one without criticisms of judicial reasonings. THREATS to judges offices in response to losing a case are NOT criticisms. They are intimidation and witch hunting.

[vooke]

It definitely faulty because this evidence we've been looking for and haven't seen it. I don't think there is a more powerful evidence of rigging than this. Obviously there was no rigging - so NASA went for processes laps and gaps - and the foolish Magara and his gang of four - bought it hook, line and sinker. The legal world is waiting for the earth shattering full judgement.

If my memory is faulty then thats ok too.

The legal world understands the law. Its politicians and other non lawyers who think the judges are somewhere somehow struggling to write a reasoned judgment.

But this was not the case in 2013 where losers and all their supporters criticized a judgement. Ok

Who said so? If you find even one post of mine complaining that ANYONE has criticized a judgment, I will render full and unconditional apologies. WE criticize judgments ALL the time. Go to any law class and tell me if you can find one without criticisms of judicial reasonings. THREATS to judges offices in response to losing a case are NOT criticisms. They are intimidation and witch hunting.

Legal response to a determination is not intimidation or witch hunting.

[Kadame7]

Of course they believe the court was wrong, however, you cannot say you accept the courts ruling and then refuse to accept its findings.  The findings are that IEBC engaged in irregularities and illegalities. Those are serious charges and you cannot say you accept the verdict and then insist that the same people who were found culpable should do it again. This is the highest court in the land and its findings are final whether you agree with it or NOT.

Stop being silly.
Babu accepted 2013 decision but has been whining about a stolen election for the past 5yrs

You can abide by the ruling since there is little else you can do and still criticize it as NASWA/CORD has been doing for the last 5yrs. Uhuru is no different. That he is busy campaigning and preparing for the coming election means he has accepted the ruling.

Where was the push to remove Mutunga and company from office following their ruling without a full judgment in 2013? Complete with a you-will-see-us finger-wagging? That's the part I seem to miss in all these false equivalencies where criticisms of judgments = direct threats to judges.

But threats have nothing to do with criticizing a judgement.

For one Babu was out of government so his options were terribly limited. Then he was outnumbered in parliament.

Fact,and point,remains that Babu accepted and criticized a SCOK decision FOR YEARS  yet his number one fan can't reconcile Uhunye accepting and criticizing a SCOK decision FOR 2 WEEKS

Fact is: there were NO threats to judges in 2013 and you have to make up a hypothetical that there would have been All this to excuse Jubilee's IMMEDIATE launch of threats. Rao was rightly condemned for mere criticisms but Jubilee's number one closeted fan has to make up a hypothetical threat to equivocate with the open judicial witch-hunts we are witnessing.  It must be tough pretending to be neutral.

Babu's reaction need not be equal to Uhunye's to make my point; it suffices that both have attacked a determination after accepting it contrary to KM's claim that you can't attack and accept a decision.

Anything else ni pang'ang'a

The fact that you must visit an alternate timeline in the mutliverse to find an equivalent to the threats we are witnessing says to me its not pang'ang'a to you or you would not have gone there.

[Kadame7]

It definitely faulty because this evidence we've been looking for and haven't seen it. I don't think there is a more powerful evidence of rigging than this. Obviously there was no rigging - so NASA went for processes laps and gaps - and the foolish Magara and his gang of four - bought it hook, line and sinker. The legal world is waiting for the earth shattering full judgement.

If my memory is faulty then thats ok too.

The legal world understands the law. Its politicians and other non lawyers who think the judges are somewhere somehow struggling to write a reasoned judgment.

But this was not the case in 2013 where losers and all their supporters criticized a judgement. Ok

Who said so? If you find even one post of mine complaining that ANYONE has criticized a judgment, I will render full and unconditional apologies. WE criticize judgments ALL the time. Go to any law class and tell me if you can find one without criticisms of judicial reasonings. THREATS to judges offices in response to losing a case are NOT criticisms. They are intimidation and witch hunting.

Legal response to a determination is not intimidation or witch hunting.

In which universe is this a "legak response to a determination"?? LOL! Dude, the only "legal responses to a determination" are: appeals, judicial review etc etc. There is NO thing like removing a judge as a response to a determination EVEN A VERY BAD DETERMINATION!!

[vooke]

Of course they believe the court was wrong, however, you cannot say you accept the courts ruling and then refuse to accept its findings.  The findings are that IEBC engaged in irregularities and illegalities. Those are serious charges and you cannot say you accept the verdict and then insist that the same people who were found culpable should do it again. This is the highest court in the land and its findings are final whether you agree with it or NOT.

Stop being silly.
Babu accepted 2013 decision but has been whining about a stolen election for the past 5yrs

You can abide by the ruling since there is little else you can do and still criticize it as NASWA/CORD has been doing for the last 5yrs. Uhuru is no different. That he is busy campaigning and preparing for the coming election means he has accepted the ruling.

Where was the push to remove Mutunga and company from office following their ruling without a full judgment in 2013? Complete with a you-will-see-us finger-wagging? That's the part I seem to miss in all these false equivalencies where criticisms of judgments = direct threats to judges.

But threats have nothing to do with criticizing a judgement.

For one Babu was out of government so his options were terribly limited. Then he was outnumbered in parliament.

Fact,and point,remains that Babu accepted and criticized a SCOK decision FOR YEARS  yet his number one fan can't reconcile Uhunye accepting and criticizing a SCOK decision FOR 2 WEEKS

Fact is: there were NO threats to judges in 2013 and you have to make up a hypothetical that there would have been All this to excuse Jubilee's IMMEDIATE launch of threats. Rao was rightly condemned for mere criticisms but Jubilee's number one closeted fan has to make up a hypothetical threat to equivocate with the open judicial witch-hunts we are witnessing.  It must be tough pretending to be neutral.

Babu's reaction need not be equal to Uhunye's to make my point; it suffices that both have attacked a determination after accepting it contrary to KM's claim that you can't attack and accept a decision.

Anything else ni pang'ang'a

The fact that you must visit an alternate timeline in the mutliverse to find an equivalent to the threats we are witnessing says to me its not pang'ang'a to you or you would not have gone there.

It's the hypocrisy that's I find nauseating

[vooke]

It definitely faulty because this evidence we've been looking for and haven't seen it. I don't think there is a more powerful evidence of rigging than this. Obviously there was no rigging - so NASA went for processes laps and gaps - and the foolish Magara and his gang of four - bought it hook, line and sinker. The legal world is waiting for the earth shattering full judgement.

If my memory is faulty then thats ok too.

The legal world understands the law. Its politicians and other non lawyers who think the judges are somewhere somehow struggling to write a reasoned judgment.

But this was not the case in 2013 where losers and all their supporters criticized a judgement. Ok

Who said so? If you find even one post of mine complaining that ANYONE has criticized a judgment, I will render full and unconditional apologies. WE criticize judgments ALL the time. Go to any law class and tell me if you can find one without criticisms of judicial reasonings. THREATS to judges offices in response to losing a case are NOT criticisms. They are intimidation and witch hunting.

Legal response to a determination is not intimidation or witch hunting.

In which universe is this a "legak response to a determination"?? LOL! Dude, the only "legal responses to a determination" are: appeals, judicial review etc etc. There is NO thing like removing a judge as a response to a determination EVEN A VERY BAD ONE!!

That's why I can't understand why all of Kisii is up in flames over Ngunjiri's petition. It's now a political crime to criticize him. That petition is the ONLY tangible move so far against Maraga.

[Kadame7]

vooke, pretending that threatening a judge's job after he rules against you is the same thing as saying this or that decision is bad is very hypocritical. The Ngunjiri petition is dirty because it is an open smear attack on a judicial officer for doing his job after a disfavourable ruling. EVERYONE should be up in flames. Not just Kisiis. When Raila was roundly criticized in 2013 for saying "korti bandia" he immediately dropped that tack and stuck to criticism of the judgment itself. Zero tolerance to Ngunjiri type nonsense is the only way of dealing with wannabe Mois and much more than Kisii flames should be targetted at these enemies of civility and institutionalism.

[Kichwa]

John Gitau

UHURU KENYATTA DESPACITO?????

If I were Uhuru Kenyatta and I had won the 8th election fair and square, I wouldn't ;

1. Get mad at the Supreme Court judges to an extent of threatening them with impeachment.....

2. Spend a lot of money buying opposition politicians like Isaac Rutto who had no value to the opposition itself.....

3. Pleading with rebel politicians like Peter Munya who had lost election fair and square....We call them tumbocrats....

4. Host a number of meaningless meetings with old political rejects in opposition zones in an attempt to solicit support from their regions....

5. Hold rallies and campaign as if the world ends the following day, after all, I won and the numbers are still intact, what's the worry???

6. Spend hundreds of millions buying IDs from opposition supporters in a bid to disenfranchise them on the day of voting, in other words attempt to reduce opposition numbers....

7. Constantly get drank and reminding everyone who cares to listen that I am the president, if I won I would be calm because I believe I have the People's mandate, I wouldn't crave legitimacy to an extent of addressing a divided Parliament without the judicial arm of the government....

8. Think about impeaching my competitor when he wins the presidency, I wouldn't need to think of that if I have the numbers...

9. And most importantly, advocate for the retention of the same election officials whose negligence lead to the nullification of my "well deserved win", I would be at the forefront urging them to leave so that their negligence doesn't cost me another victory....

But again am not Uhuru Kenyatta and & he never won any election so his worry and desperation are justified because he is going to be defeated in the repeat election. Nasa Hao!!

[vooke]

vooke, pretending that threatening a judge's job after he rules against you is the same thing as saying this or that decision is bad is very hypocritical. The Ngunjiri petition is dirty because it is an open smear attack on a judicial officer for doing his job after a disfavourable ruling. EVERYONE should be up in flames. Not just Kisiis. When Raila was roundly criticized in 2013 for saying "korti bandia" he immediately dropped that tack and stuck to criticism of the judgment itself. Zero tolerance to Ngunjiri type nonsense is the only way of dealing with wannabe Mois and much more than Kisii flames should be targetted at these enemies of civility and institutionalism.

Kadame,
You are free to invent all sorts of motives behind Ngunjiri petition calling it all sorts of names that you can muster, and I think it is a wild petition btw, but we should defend him in exercising his right to petition.

Have you read it?
Here;
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2rMMQJiqMB8LXBfZlppMGlScEU
But some pages are disjointed.

Kisii are not the more enlightened to protest the petitio;  it's good old and simplistic Tribe doing the talking. Maraga should not be defended by such primitive and dirty tactics. That's blackmail.

Uhunye and anyone who took the determination personal is free to pursue all legal recourse available to them. If Maraga and crew are clean,they should sit pretty. If not,they should start packing and buckle up for the roughest ride of their lives. 

We should only be worried when they cross the legal lines

[GeeMail]

When Uhuru is all over insulting and threatening SCOK judges and one of his known bootlickers institutes proceedings against the SCOK president are we to imagine now that Jubilee is merely criticizing the judgement and using all legal means available? Did you say you are a pastor?
Uhuru has crossed the legal lines back and forth.

[Kadame7]

vooke, pretending that threatening a judge's job after he rules against you is the same thing as saying this or that decision is bad is very hypocritical. The Ngunjiri petition is dirty because it is an open smear attack on a judicial officer for doing his job after a disfavourable ruling. EVERYONE should be up in flames. Not just Kisiis. When Raila was roundly criticized in 2013 for saying "korti bandia" he immediately dropped that tack and stuck to criticism of the judgment itself. Zero tolerance to Ngunjiri type nonsense is the only way of dealing with wannabe Mois and much more than Kisii flames should be targetted at these enemies of civility and institutionalism.

Kadame,
You are free to invent all sorts of motives behind Ngunjiri petition calling it all sorts of names that you can muster, and I think it is a wild petition btw, but we should defend him in exercising his right to petition.

Have you read it?
Here;
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2rMMQJiqMB8LXBfZlppMGlScEU
But some pages are disjointed.

Kisii are not the more enlightened to protest the petitio;  it's good old and simplistic Tribe doing the talking. Maraga should not be defended by such primitive and dirty tactics. That's blackmail.

Uhunye and anyone who took the determination personal is free to pursue all legal recourse available to them. If Maraga and crew are clean,they should sit pretty. If not,they should start packing and buckle up for the roughest ride of their lives. 

We should only be worried when they cross the legal lines

vooke, not only have I seen that ridiculous (yes, ridiculous) document, I also watched his press 'show' where he could not answer simple challenges from journalists. Have YOU read this document or listened to that presser? Just which one of these "allegations" (I have problems even calling them allegations, more like imaginations) do you think constitutes a leg to stand on?

Did you hear him say that the CJ exercised "undue influence" on the other judges of the SCOK and even "forced" Judge Ibrahim not to participate in the final determination? According to Ngunjiri, the sick judge was willing to participate despite illness if only mean old Maraga had not stopped him. Yes, Ngunjiri said this in front of cameras while presenting this petition that people like you have decided to take seriously in all the wrong ways Asked how he could possibly know this he immediately dodged claiming he will present evidence later. In fact, how Uhuru supporters like Kabogo have dismissed this as Ngunjiri's own side-shows just may have convinced me it was a one-man sycophancy move to prove loyalty or build his own brand among Uhuru's supporters for his own future career moves ala Babu Owino/Abwabu Namamba strategies: only I doubt he would go all that distance without approval from higher ups considering the potential of moves like this at this time to cost Uhuru votes in some places while he is busy campaigning.

This is all BS. Read it yourself and tell me what you take seriously there. Ati judges have been indoctrinated  Apparently, they lack brains to determine their own judicial philosophy and are so weak-minded they should not expose themselves to all the legal and philosophical thought there is out there. Should they be so exposed and either come to agree with all these thoughts or to arrive at them on their own, this is grounds to remove them.  Dude, are we in church trying a rogue bishop for heresy?

The ONLY thing there that might pass for a genuine concern if one didn't already know that one was dealing with a shameless propagandist is the charge that there were inappropriate communications with petitioners during the petition. Indeed I would eagerly wait to see evidence of these inappropriate communications given a still undenied widely reported story of this very thing by Jubilee allied persons. But of course he is not claiming to want to present this evidence but instead wants the JSC to start invading Maraga's privacy to satisfy Ngunjiri's curiosity.

Jubilee's transparent propagandas and witchhunts are obvious. They are only shocking in how brazenly they are executed.

And of course Kisiis are out protecting their "our man". My point is that this type of thing should be treated as far more than an "our man" issue by ALL facets of this society who care about actual institutional maturity.

[vooke]

vooke, pretending that threatening a judge's job after he rules against you is the same thing as saying this or that decision is bad is very hypocritical. The Ngunjiri petition is dirty because it is an open smear attack on a judicial officer for doing his job after a disfavourable ruling. EVERYONE should be up in flames. Not just Kisiis. When Raila was roundly criticized in 2013 for saying "korti bandia" he immediately dropped that tack and stuck to criticism of the judgment itself. Zero tolerance to Ngunjiri type nonsense is the only way of dealing with wannabe Mois and much more than Kisii flames should be targetted at these enemies of civility and institutionalism.

Kadame,
You are free to invent all sorts of motives behind Ngunjiri petition calling it all sorts of names that you can muster, and I think it is a wild petition btw, but we should defend him in exercising his right to petition.

Have you read it?
Here;
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2rMMQJiqMB8LXBfZlppMGlScEU
But some pages are disjointed.

Kisii are not the more enlightened to protest the petitio;  it's good old and simplistic Tribe doing the talking. Maraga should not be defended by such primitive and dirty tactics. That's blackmail.

Uhunye and anyone who took the determination personal is free to pursue all legal recourse available to them. If Maraga and crew are clean,they should sit pretty. If not,they should start packing and buckle up for the roughest ride of their lives. 

We should only be worried when they cross the legal lines

vooke, not only have I seen that ridiculous (yes, ridiculous) document, I also watched his press 'show' where he could not answer simple challenges from journalists. Have YOU read this document or listened to that presser? Just which one of these "allegations" (I have problems even calling them allegations, more like imaginations) do you think constitutes a leg to stand on?

Did you hear him say that the CJ exercised "undue influence" on the other judges of the SCOK and even "forced" Judge Ibrahim not to participate in the final determination? According to Ngunjiri, the sick judge was willing to participate despite illness if only mean old Maraga had not stopped him. Yes, Ngunjiri said this in front of cameras while presenting this petition that people like you have decided to take seriously in all the wrong ways Asked how he could possibly know this he immediately dodged claiming he will present evidence later. In fact, how Uhuru supporters like Kabogo have dismissed this as Ngunjiri's own side-shows just may have convinced me it was a one-man sycophancy move to prove loyalty or build his own brand among Uhuru's supporters for his own future career moves ala Babu Owino/Abwabu Namamba strategies: only I doubt he would go all that distance without approval from higher ups considering the potential of moves like this at this time to cost Uhuru votes in some places while he is busy campaigning.

This is all BS. Read it yourself and tell me what you take seriously there. Ati judges have been indoctrinated  Apparently, they lack brains to determine their own judicial philosophy and are so weak-minded they should not expose themselves to all the legal and philosophical thought there is out there. Should they be so exposed and either come to agree with all these thoughts or to arrive at them on their own, this is grounds to remove them.  Dude, are we in church trying a rogue bishop for heresy?

The ONLY thing there that might pass for a genuine concern if one didn't already know that one was dealing with a shameless propagandist is the charge that there were inappropriate communications with petitioners during the petition. Indeed I would eagerly wait to see evidence of these inappropriate communications given a still undenied widely reported story of this very thing by Jubilee allied persons. But of course he is not claiming to want to present this evidence but instead wants the JSC to start invading Maraga's privacy to satisfy Ngunjiri's curiosity.

Jubilee's transparent propagandas and witchhunts are obvious. They are only shocking in how brazenly they are executed.

And of course Kisiis are out protecting their "our man". My point is that this type of thing should be treated as far more than an "our man" issue by ALL facets of this society who care about actual institutional maturity.

That's why I said I don't think it'll go far.
I have a problem with preempting it by issuing threats and all because I trust we have structures (JSC-Parliament)  to weed out bullshiet. The only reason I can guess for that is real fear.

Ngunjiri says he's ready to stand by or substantiate every claim right there. I'd love to see that. I'm told he should have filed an affidavit and not that love letter.

But we won't get far because Uhuru has asked him to withdraw it.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/09/15/i-understand-your-pain-but-leave-maraga-alone-uhuru-tells-ngunjiri_c1636405

Regarding propaganda,we are back to equivalence. We was told that Mutunga and team ate 1B each.

[Kadame7]

That's why I said I don't think it'll go far.
I have a problem with preempting it by issuing threats and all because I trust we have structures (JSC-Parliament)  to weed out bullshiet. The only reason I can guess for that is real fear.

Ngunjiri says he's ready to stand by or substantiate every claim right there. I'd love to see that. I'm told he should have filed an affidavit and not that love letter.

But we won't get far because Uhuru has asked him to withdraw it.


Regarding propaganda,we are back to equivalence. We was told that Mutunga and team ate 1B each.

Condemnations are not threats. Just like Ngunjiri has a "right" to make up stuff either for his own political career stardom or for Jubilee, everyone else has a right to call out his BS and condemn this blatant politicization of judgments. I'm pretty sure Ngunjiri cannot substantiate any of this: 90% is non-existent "offenses" and when addressing actual wrong, he is asking the JSC to invade Maraga's privacy and insinuating that he himself invaded the closed SCOK deliberations or at best that he has acquired testimony from judges who are ready to be called to give evidence of coercion/intimidation by Maraga: How much of this do you realistically expect would happen? True dat, about propaganda, but no one tried to have Mutunga removed for allegedly eating 1 Billion to give the 2013 judgment. No one even tried to legitimize the allegations by pretending to institute a formal proceeding. What I find sickest by the Ngunjiri types is how far they are willing to take their Moiwannabeism.

[vooke]

That's why I said I don't think it'll go far.
I have a problem with preempting it by issuing threats and all because I trust we have structures (JSC-Parliament)  to weed out bullshiet. The only reason I can guess for that is real fear.

Ngunjiri says he's ready to stand by or substantiate every claim right there. I'd love to see that. I'm told he should have filed an affidavit and not that love letter.

But we won't get far because Uhuru has asked him to withdraw it.


Regarding propaganda,we are back to equivalence. We was told that Mutunga and team ate 1B each.

Condemnations are not threats. Just like Ngunjiri has a "right" to make up stuff either for his own political career stardom or for Jubilee, everyone else has a right to call out his BS and condemn this blatant politicization of judgments. I'm pretty sure Ngunjiri cannot substantiate any of this: 90% is non-existent "offenses" and when addressing actual wrong, he is asking the JSC to invade Maraga's privacy and insinuating that he himself invaded the closed SCOK deliberations or at best that he has acquired testimony from judges who are ready to be called to give evidence of coercion/intimidation by Maraga: How much of this do you realistically expect would happen? True dat, about propaganda, but no one tried to have Mutunga removed for allegedly eating 1 Billion to give the 2013 judgment. No one even tried to legitimize the allegations by pretending to institute a formal proceeding. What I find sickest by the Ngunjiri types is how far they are willing to take their Moiwannabeism.

Ngunjiri is more then being condemned, he has been threatened. Kisii's are vowing to shift their votes just to prove a point. That's not condemnation. And it has worked!


You're 'pretty sure' yet you can't/won't wait for him to present his evidence ok. Rest 'pretty sure' that you can't eat your words because he has withdrawn.