Raila apologist should defend his lame attempt to incite people

[RV Pundit]

Before you go - can you also apologize for Raila calling kenyan white ranches in Laikipi outsiders -who should lose their land on account of not being around.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001243416/laikipia-ranchers-hit-out-at-raila-for-supporting-dismantling-of-their-farms

I mean Raila everyday like Omollo here can't help disguise his hatred for a section of kenyans.

And of course his foot-in-the mouth disease is legendary. In Nandi he said God was urinating there daily. Better choice of words could have delivered the message.

I will say this and be gone: this is clearly a blunder as is usual with Raila's foot-in-mouth disease. I dont believe Raila intends for the Maa to turn violent. I believe he knows of their complaints about their lands being taken over and is telling them not to sell their land while at the same time acknowledging that poverty forces them to do so. I believe he was careless with his words and has handed a small grenade to his rivals and hope he finds a cure for this disease of his which only affected Kibaki as much as him. Yes it seems retrogressive to try and retain an area's cultural identity but the issue is more nuanced than that. If the sense is that the identity is being diluted out of a forced circumstance rather than simple choice, its not that simple to me. But I dont think this issue belongs on the campaign trail regardless. Raila should find a better way to speak to the issue of poverty and avoid getting ensnared in these perception issues. Hayo tu.

[Kadame5]

Pundit, you can't be serious. I completely understand your ire regarding the Kajiado remarks, I share them even though I see them in a completely different context than you. It is perfectly understandable to me that you would feel indignation re Kajiado remarks but what Raila said about the Laikipia issue? Do you honestly see that as incitement? Don't you think some of his proposed solutions to the govt may be worth trying over there?

[RV Pundit]

Let me try a Kalenjin riddle my father once told me after I had engineered a destructive school strike in high school. Assume you've been sent to get coal of fire from a neighbor house. You have two options when you get there..you can choose to bring the fire in your bare hand, ran so hard and probably get burnt & drop the fire mid-way..or you can choose to get some rock, put the coals on it and walk comfortably back home.

Raila is a leader. He has to be extremely careful. The Maasai in Kajiado or Laikipa are in need fire. He has chosen to bring it on his bare hands. He'll get burn as always and will not deliver the fire. He might even burn the whole neighberhood after dropping the fire.

As a leader you have to choose your words very wisely. He can learn a lot from Ruto or Uhuru. Even Donald Trump does better.  Of course it probably intentionally he wants to burn everything down. He did it in 1982.

I support Raila's solution in Laikipia but if I was a leader...I would choose my words very wisely.. I wouldn't want to appear as unhinged racist prick. We can say anything here coz we can always hide behind anonymity but I wouldn't repeat those words in front of my white friends...I would deliver the message but tacitly.

Pundit, you can't be serious. I completely understand your ire regarding the Kajiado remarks, I share them even though I see them in a completely different context than you. It is perfectly understandable to me that you would feel indignation re Kajiado remarks but what Raila said about the Laikipia issue? Do you honestly see that as incitement? Don't you think some of his proposed solutions to the govt may be worth trying over there?

[Omollo]

Like I always say, the burden of proof is on you. How long do you think it would take an expert to declare that tape fake.

But we all know the purpose and it is not to find Raila "guilty" in a court of law but to smear him so that when Uhuru steals the election, he can explain the violence as the work of Raila. Tell him he will lose again. His plans with Karangi, Kinyua, George Muhoho and others are well documented and this time we shall not make the 2007 mistakes.

Why not do us a favour and give us the full video considering you've been covering his rallies. The video we have is clearly showing Raila inciting Maasai against outsiders who should remain in their own place.

I have seen the portion you posted. I am asking for the whole video without alterations

[RV Pundit]

I gave you the video. You said the video is fake. Meaning you've got the real one?

Like I always say, the burden of proof is on you. How long do you think it would take an expert to declare that tape fake.

But we all know the purpose and it is not to find Raila "guilty" in a court of law but to smear him so that when Uhuru steals the election, he can explain the violence as the work of Raila. Tell him he will lose again. His plans with Karangi, Kinyua, George Muhoho and others are well documented and this time we shall not make the 2007 mistakes.

[Omollo]

You are not a leader so we cannot compare what you claim Raila said about Laikipia and Kajiado with your own record on similar matters.

Let me try a Kalenjin riddle my father once told me after I had engineered a destructive school strike in high school. Assume you've been sent to get coal of fire from a neighbor house. You have two options when you get there..you can choose to bring the fire in your bare hand, ran so hard and probably get burnt & drop the fire mid-way..or you can choose to get some rock, put the coals on it and walk comfortably back home.

Raila is a leader. He has to be extremely careful. The Maasai in Kajiado or Laikipa are in need fire. He has chosen to bring it on his bare hands. He'll get burn as always and will not deliver the fire. He might even burn the whole neighberhood after dropping the fire.

As a leader you have to choose your words very wisely. He can learn a lot from Ruto or Uhuru. Even Donald Trump does better.  Of course it probably intentionally he wants to burn everything down. He did it in 1982.

I support Raila's solution in Laikipia but if I was a leader...I would choose my words very wisely.. I wouldn't want to appear as unhinged racist prick. We can say anything here coz we can always hide behind anonymity but I wouldn't repeat those words in front of my white friends...I would deliver the message but tacitly.

Pundit, you can't be serious. I completely understand your ire regarding the Kajiado remarks, I share them even though I see them in a completely different context than you. It is perfectly understandable to me that you would feel indignation re Kajiado remarks but what Raila said about the Laikipia issue? Do you honestly see that as incitement? Don't you think some of his proposed solutions to the govt may be worth trying over there?

[Omollo]

I could or could not. I am not accusing Raila of anything that I need to prove with the video. The accusations are coming from you at the behest of Jubilee. You have watched your own video and you know the start of it is clearly doctored, depriving the viewer of the crucial context and the words before the one's highlighted. All I ask is get one that places the said utterances in its proper context.

I gave you the video. You said the video is fake. Meaning you've got the real one?

Like I always say, the burden of proof is on you. How long do you think it would take an expert to declare that tape fake.

But we all know the purpose and it is not to find Raila "guilty" in a court of law but to smear him so that when Uhuru steals the election, he can explain the violence as the work of Raila. Tell him he will lose again. His plans with Karangi, Kinyua, George Muhoho and others are well documented and this time we shall not make the 2007 mistakes.

[Omollo]

Pundit

You must know we are not naive anymore and this fight is the fight of the century.

[RV Pundit]

Sounds like bla de bla to me. The video is legit. Raila uttered those words.  And that is what I am standing on until you or Raila or NASA bring another video disapproving that one.

I could or could not. I am not accusing Raila of anything that I need to prove with the video. The accusations are coming from you at the behest of Jubilee. You have watched your own video and you know the start of it is clearly doctored, depriving the viewer of the crucial context and the words before the one's highlighted. All I ask is get one that places the said utterances in its proper context.

[RV Pundit]

Fight who? Uhuru is getting his 5yrs and Ruto his 10yrs. Then Mwangi Kiunjuri will get his 10 yrs and then Murkomen will get another 10yrs. In 2055 we can decide to spice things up. And there will be no fight because you are smart enough to know you'll lose.

Pundit

You must know we are not naive anymore and this fight is the fight of the century.

[hk]

Laikipia, Raila suggestion would decimate the tourism industry in laikipia(already suffering) and greater mt. kenya tourism circuit. Ranches makes more money from cottages than livestock. Its no wonder there's no feedlots in laikipia for beef cattle which would be the easiest way to increase beef industry productivity like Botswana and Namibia. The pastoralist communities need to start creating their own ranches and plant fodder for their animals. Also put up their own cottages to diversify their income. Subdividing land so that people can claim ownership of uneconomically viable land is self defeating. 

[Kichwa]

"outsider" is anybody who is not a member of your family.  The interpretation that Kikuyus are the only "outsiders" is ridiculous.  Its like the  2007 lie of "41 against 1" which Raila never uttered but was repeated so many times that some people actually believed he did.

He clearly said maasai should not sell land to outsiders. Who is an outsider in kenya? Tanzania maasais?

[RV Pundit]

Now that is most intelligent defense that only a lawyer as good as kichwa can come up. Yeah criminally it will be hard to nail him. Politically everyone knows what he means.

"outsider" is anybody who is not a member of your family.  The interpretation that Kikuyus are the only "outsiders" is ridiculous.  Its like the  2007 lie of "41 against 1" which Raila never uttered but was repeated so many times that some people actually believed he did.

[Omollo]

[Kichwa]

The video is clearly doctored but the message to all poor Kenyans regardless of TRIBE is valid. " Please!! do not sell your land".  The proceeds from sale of land by poor Kenyans usually disappears very quickly and most poor people realize they grossly over estimated the benefits of selling their land. The government really need to  make it difficult for poor people to sell land as an anti-poverty policy.  Criticizing this good advice is  like saying that a war against teenage pregnancy is a war against men's right to impregnate women and therefore anti men. its a ridiculous charge. How else do you advise poor people not to sell their land without being labeled anti-Kikuyu as if Kikuyus are the only land buyers in the world.

The video is forgery. This is forgery. We get it. Now get us the real video.

C'mon! It is a good forgery with somen serious tale-tell mistakes.

1. There is an attempt to make it sound like it was written by a Luo. Which begs the question: Why a Luo and not a Maasai?
2. Kisiis and Kalenjins are part of the NASA constituency, so this is a feeble attempt to win votes in Kisii and Nyamira and you see Kenyans have seen this thing so long, they know when it is real. Tell the NIS to concentrate on Kikuyus in their fake leaflets. They will sound more credible
3. There is no way in a million a Maa would prefix an H before a vowel. That is a Kamba thing. So either the forger is a Kamba or he has limited linguistic knowledge to mimic a Luo or Maasai

Well, the NIS seems to suggest the "Fatwa" was issued in collaboration with the Maasai elders. That brings us to rule number one of Propaganda: Focus on one target at a time and avoid drawing in others who may ruin your narrative.

Clearly done by amateurs. But if that is how you want to play it, some of us are being held back by the ropes tied around us. We have the capacity to do much better than that and on shoestring budget and no trail.

[Omollo]

Laikipia, Raila suggestion would decimate the tourism industry in laikipia(already suffering) and greater mt. kenya tourism circuit. Ranches makes more money from cottages than livestock. Its no wonder there's no feedlots in laikipia for beef cattle which would be the easiest way to increase beef industry productivity like Botswana and Namibia. The pastoralist communities need to start creating their own ranches and plant fodder for their animals. Also put up their own cottages to diversify their income. Subdividing land so that people can claim ownership of uneconomically viable land is self defeating. 

Share with me what Raila has said about Laikipia. Please attach some evidence since there are a lot of stories going around.

And while at it, there is no tourism to Laikipia and most of those ranches are invaded while Uhuru Kenyatta is in power. He did order soldiers there when Theresa May dispatched Johnson to order Uhuru to do so. He saluted and acted after dithering for months. We have that from R. V. Pundit in person as he testified directly to Moon Ki, just incase you need proof.

I am saying this just incase when we take power on September 5th you turn around and claim that it is NASA that has "scared away tourists". You are now not saying anything as those tourists stay away! Keep it that way even after Raila becomes president.

[hk]

Share with me what Raila has said about Laikipia. Please attach some evidence since there are a lot of stories going around.

And while at it, there is no tourism to Laikipia and most of those ranches are invaded while Uhuru Kenyatta is in power. He did order soldiers there when Theresa May dispatched Johnson to order Uhuru to do so. He saluted and acted after dithering for months. We have that from R. V. Pundit in person as he testified directly to Moon Ki, just incase you need proof.

I am saying this just incase when we take power on September 5th you turn around and claim that it is NASA that has "scared away tourists". You are now not saying anything as those tourists stay away! Keep it that way even after Raila becomes president.

Yes the insecurity has battered  the tourism industry  in Laikapia (as I had already acknowledged) however burning of cottages has stopped. Clearly Uhuru should have dealt with this more firmly. The good thing is the greater mt.kenya region, Nyeri and meru aren't affected.

[Kadame5]

Video - It even worse than I thought.

I have gone back and listened again, and I must say I agree with Kichwa. Raila has not actually mentioned a single tribe here, not even the Maa. My own understanding of it before was jumpin the gun because I came in with the fed interpretion of the reports in mind....hmmm. Maybe he wasn't being stupid afterall. He didnt necessarily bring up the issue I assumed he had. It might just be a spin.

Those Maa complaints I heard when Louis Otieno (I think it was) was going around the counties to discuss local matters, about Gusiis (and others) getting land and setting up businesses in a way that doesnt honor local culture (in their minds), if they are still an issue they should not be on the campaign trail: that's the kind of thing we had commissions set up for delicate matters like ethnic integration and land and historical injustices. I am glad it seems Raila was not talking about that though. It seems I fell for the ruse.

Whoever spun this was targetting Raila voters from Gusii and Luhya land or perhaps just scaring Kyuks.

[Globalcitizen12]

Kadame5,
Jubilee is using this to keep their base excited. Raila is doing the same. It is a game of wits. They know Wanjiku has not time to counter check this. Raila is good as keeping his name on the headlines. These type of baits are used to his advantage he is getting free press out of it

[Omollo]

The real video (which I cannot post to avoid aiding the criminal Jubilee regime) leaves no doubt what Raila meant. He was addressing the dire economic circumstances of Kenyans where they are forced to sell land to educate land. And he addressed the problems of the migrating people. The idea, according to him was, whether good living conditions uniformly applied in Kenya, there would be no need for anybody to move to go a buy land elsewhere. He therefore paused to rhetorically ask "why would he move"?

Jubilee people do not understand that migration is a major indicator of poverty. It causes it and it aggravates it. The migrant is a person with limited rights while the seller of land embarks on a long journey of poverty. That is why Jubilee is not suited to address Poverty in Kenya. They need government for power so they can build palaces and replicas of State House as they compete over who has the "biggest House" between Uhuru and Ruto. Silly really!

Video - It even worse than I thought.

I have gone back and listened again, and I must say I agree with Kichwa. Raila has not actually mentioned a single tribe here, not even the Maa. My own understanding of it before was jumpin the gun because I came in with the fed interpretion of the reports in mind....hmmm. Maybe he wasn't being stupid afterall. He didnt necessarily bring up the issue I assumed he had. It might just be a spin.

Those Maa complaints I heard when Louis Otieno (I think it was) was going around the counties to discuss local matters, about Gusiis (and others) getting land and setting up businesses in a way that doesnt honor local culture (in their minds), if they are still an issue they should not be on the campaign trail: that's the kind of thing we had commissions set up for delicate matters like ethnic integration and land and historical injustices. I am glad it seems Raila was not talking about that though. It seems I fell for the ruse.

Whoever spun this was targetting Raila voters from Gusii and Luhya land or perhaps just scaring Kyuks.