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So Ruto Organized Jeering in Kapsabet
« on: June 05, 2017, 03:16:02 PM »
My question to Pundit, if NASA did the same - nothing spontaneous - real organized BLOCKADE, where shall we end?

NASA has been very strict on that. Whenever there have been instances of anger spilling over, they have acted to stem it. There are two areas where Jubilee's own folks arrange for heckling - Mumias (Washiali) and Bungoma (Lusaka). When Lusaka wasn't made Secretary General of Jubilee as he had been promised, Ruto faced heckling all over Bungoma. Washiali is about money: Whenever the cash is delayed, he organizes trouble.

The vast part of NASA country - Nyanza, Coast etc welcomes opponents but like the Isukha say, tell them politely Jubilee Tawe - i.e. tell us to vote for anybody else but NOT Jubilee

This video is not representative. It was taken behind a group of youth who were clearly paid to do what they are seen doing. The rest of Kapsabet was welcoming.

https://www.facebook.com/kipkorirbon/videos/1523428381020924/

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Re: So Ruto Organized Jeering in Kapsabet
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2017, 03:21:11 PM »
There is no evidence you've given to show Ruto was involved in this. If they didn't turn violent - then I don't see what the problem really is. Jeering is free speech. Obviously NASA are wasting time campaigning amongst Kalenjin just like they wasted time in 2013 there. Come election d-day - the results will be Uhuru 95%! and NASA 5%.

NASA and Jubilee ought to be laser-focused on battleground and swing counties...Gusii,Coast, NEP, Maasai, Turkana and such places.

Why would Jubilee waste time campaigning in Luo Nyanza? or NASA in Central?

It not only waste time but antagonize folks there...who have no time for the other party.

About 60 days to go - spend it wisely.

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Re: So Ruto Organized Jeering in Kapsabet
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2017, 07:22:16 PM »
Spend it wisely too.

NASA has locked you out of Western. You can now just tour and dish out eurobond but zero votes.

You're locked out of Ukambani, Kisii, Nyamira, Coast, Nyanza. We are taking Turkana and Garissa. Even if we get 5 % in Nandi, what do we lose?

I can't wait to evict Uhuru.
There is no evidence you've given to show Ruto was involved in this. If they didn't turn violent - then I don't see what the problem really is. Jeering is free speech. Obviously NASA are wasting time campaigning amongst Kalenjin just like they wasted time in 2013 there. Come election d-day - the results will be Uhuru 95%! and NASA 5%.

NASA and Jubilee ought to be laser-focused on battleground and swing counties...Gusii,Coast, NEP, Maasai, Turkana and such places.

Why would Jubilee waste time campaigning in Luo Nyanza? or NASA in Central?

It not only waste time but antagonize folks there...who have no time for the other party.

About 60 days to go - spend it wisely.
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Re: So Ruto Organized Jeering in Kapsabet
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2017, 07:46:29 PM »
What is new.Uhuru won in 2013 without them by scoring 51%
...and will still win as long as he keeps his 2013 coalition which he has...

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Re: So Ruto Organized Jeering in Kapsabet
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2017, 08:36:11 PM »
What is new.Uhuru won in 2013 without them by scoring 51%
...and will still win as long as he keeps his 2013 coalition which he has...
Did he? By what margin? He has lost his 2013 coalition. Balala is no longer in it and Ngilu left. So what coalition are you referring to?

The Kalenjin will not vote for him in the same numbers as 2013. Cord didn't campaign hard in RiftValley. They made symbolic visits like the one Uhuru is about to start in south Nyanza and western. He'll run broke dishing out cash to tumbocrat after another but no votes
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Re: So Ruto Organized Jeering in Kapsabet
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2017, 08:48:17 PM »
He won with 50.5% - which is rounded off to 51% - after supreme court ruled invalid votes could not possibly be counted. Balala & Ngilu were flower girls - where Jubilee had 2 flowers girls - now it has 40 flowers girls - including nearly half of ukambani mps defending their ticket in Jubilee and about the same number in COAST - leave alone places like Northern kenya where it Jubilee is battling friendly parties - and NASA is basically dead except in Wajir,Garissa & Turkana.

As far as Kalenjin goes - you got jokes - Uhuru will improve his 2013 scores - In 2013 in every Kalenjin county Raila had seasoned politicians batting for him - now he has only 2 (Isaac & Zakayo) - in the entire kalenin land.

In 2013 - Gideon Moi was working with Mudavadi  & Wamalwa- in AMANI coalition - Now Wamalwa and Gideon are working with Uhuru.
In 2013 - Henry Kosgey was leading Nandi brigade for Raila as ODM chairman. Dr Sally Kosgey was his sub.
In 2013 - Prof Kamar was leading Keiyo brigade against Ruto in Uasin Gishu & Keiyo.
In 2013 - Franklin Bett, Margerer and Kones window was leading Kipsigis onslaught against Ruto -
in 2013 - Pokot Murgor and Litole were leading brigade against UhuRuto.

I can go on and on...these people were not mere MPS..they were powerful ministers or ass ministers...and Raila got some votes courtsey of them.

Now you've unpopular Isaac Ruto with zero development record,Zakayo & washed Kirwa against the rest of Kalenjin :) - you got Jokes my friend. It like counting Tuju as Jubilee party chairman as asset in winning votes!

In 2013 it was about water n oil not mixing - about 2007 PEV - and now Kalenjin have enjoyed five years in gov and are watching William Ruto at the precicipe of power - and you think they will throw that out - for someone so ungrateful like Raila - whose first business in 2008 was to hound Kalenjin and throw them under the bus - when Kalenjin didn't have to go to war but had gone to war to save his Luo people from being massacred - all morgues in Luo Nyanza were full in 2 days and Kalenjin reacted by blocking roads and started attacking kikuyus.And the thank you for that was to say WSR was warlord!

If Kalenjin could vote NO in 2010 - against the whole country - what make you think they will vote NASA.

Kalenjin like Kikuyu and Luos are very strategic voters! Waste your time there as much as you want but there is no panya route to it. You have to come through the main door. The main door is not Isaac or Daniel Moi or Raila ODM ministers - it William Kipchirchir Samoe Arap Ruto.

Uhuru has delivered his MOU to Kalenjin nation to the dot...some Kalenjin maybe disappointed with inflation now (Unga) but they know Uhuru has their best interest at heart. In WSR they see the return to the political glory of the yester years.

Did he? By what margin? He has lost his 2013 coalition. Balala is no longer in it and Ngilu left. So what coalition are you referring to?

The Kalenjin will not vote for him in the same numbers as 2013. Cord didn't campaign hard in RiftValley. They made symbolic visits like the one Uhuru is about to start in south Nyanza and western. He'll run broke dishing out cash to tumbocrat after another but no votes

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Re: So Ruto Organized Jeering in Kapsabet
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2017, 09:13:15 PM »
Shocked by jubilee winning narrative, nyeff nyeff about 70% non sense. Jubilee has no path to victory best case scenario they max out at 45%. NASA juggernaut is no joke my fren. Ruto was the best Jubilee campaigner but Joho has completely defanged and fatally wounded Ruto. Ruto has no response or comeback to Joho uppercut Mwizi ni mwizi and that's what is eroding his base. Uhuru crackhead rallies now are staged by the road side where nothing of substance is addressed except calling Raila jamaa wa vitendawili maybe they need to increase his crack uptake so he can payuka something worth listening to.

If Uhuru had some true friends or family they should advice him to withdraw from the race rather than suffer humiliating defeat.

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Re: So Ruto Organized Jeering in Kapsabet
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2017, 09:17:58 PM »
Comparing a D- minus Joho with WSR is the joke of the century. WSR is gifted propagandist per excellence - with brain 3 or 4 times Johos - who is so bored he is doing a phd.

If Uhuru wins GEMA+Kalenjin registered votes and they turned out at 90% plus they usually do - Uhuru is already past 45% - without getting any extra votes from other tribes.

You have to block Uhuru getting 2-3% from all over kenya. It impossible feat. I ran all scenarios in 2013 and came to conclusion Uhuru was winning in first round no matter what - worse case scenarios was 2013 - when people who normally voted 50-60% voted 85%.

Remember in 2013 - UhuRuto - was against the world including Obama  the powerful POTUS - now its a breeze.

Shocked by jubilee winning narrative, nyeff nyeff about 70% non sense. Jubilee has no path to victory best case scenario they max out at 45%. NASA juggernaut is no joke my fren. Ruto was the best Jubilee campaigner but Joho has completely defanged and fatally wounded Ruto. Ruto has no response or comeback to Joho uppercut Mwizi ni mwizi and that's what is eroding his base. Uhuru crackhead rallies now are staged by the road side where nothing of substance is addressed except calling Raila jamaa wa vitendawili maybe they need to increase his crack uptake so he can payuka something worth listening to.

If Uhuru had some true friends or family they should advice him to withdraw from the race rather than suffer humiliating defeat.


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Re: So Ruto Organized Jeering in Kapsabet
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2017, 07:46:24 PM »
Fully understand where the fault lines lies, you are stuck in the echo chamber and its o.k my fren to wish for 2 jubilee thieves victory but it aint gonna happen its all wishful thinking.

Joho is the Alpha male in Kenya body politic today. when is the last time you saw DP ruto back off from political confrontation? until he met Joho, even him he tried the D- route nothing doing, Joho escalated till Ruto climbed down. Now joho can Pee on Ruto and Uhuru any given day in kapsabet or Bomet (name a town). Ruto overplayed the propaganda hand, you see you can use propaganda to get to power but I doubt you can govern or hold power through propaganda soon when the Unga price hit the roof your lies start to unravel and that's where we are. Kenyans want to hear the truth and that's where Joho is excelling, He is telling like it is without fear or contradictions.

2013 is very different from 2017, Kalenjin and Gema sympathy vote has evaporated. Meru and upper eastern are hurting, Miraa farming is not viable anymore.  People want to see laptops that 2 Jubilee thieves promised (big difference between a laptop and a tablet) am sure you know that. where are 5 millions jobs that 2 jubilee thieves promised? lastly lastly cost of living...we are back to bread and butter issues

 
Comparing a D- minus Joho with WSR is the joke of the century. WSR is gifted propagandist per excellence - with brain 3 or 4 times Johos - who is so bored he is doing a phd.

If Uhuru wins GEMA+Kalenjin registered votes and they turned out at 90% plus they usually do - Uhuru is already past 45% - without getting any extra votes from other tribes.

You have to block Uhuru getting 2-3% from all over kenya. It impossible feat. I ran all scenarios in 2013 and came to conclusion Uhuru was winning in first round no matter what - worse case scenarios was 2013 - when people who normally voted 50-60% voted 85%.

Remember in 2013 - UhuRuto - was against the world including Obama  the powerful POTUS - now its a breeze.

Shocked by jubilee winning narrative, nyeff nyeff about 70% non sense. Jubilee has no path to victory best case scenario they max out at 45%. NASA juggernaut is no joke my fren. Ruto was the best Jubilee campaigner but Joho has completely defanged and fatally wounded Ruto. Ruto has no response or comeback to Joho uppercut Mwizi ni mwizi and that's what is eroding his base. Uhuru crackhead rallies now are staged by the road side where nothing of substance is addressed except calling Raila jamaa wa vitendawili maybe they need to increase his crack uptake so he can payuka something worth listening to.

If Uhuru had some true friends or family they should advice him to withdraw from the race rather than suffer humiliating defeat.


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Re: So Ruto Organized Jeering in Kapsabet
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2017, 01:21:46 PM »
Comparing a D- minus Joho with WSR is the joke of the century. WSR is gifted propagandist per excellence - with brain 3 or 4 times Johos - who is so bored he is doing a phd.
Here you are hero-worshipping in front of an audience and it is shameful. There are many rich and high ranking Kenyans doing those PhDs and I can assure you it is not out of boredom. Taita Arap Towett was the first minister to do the whole lot from Bachelors to PhD while serving as minister for Education. I had occasion to read some of what he submitted and marveled at the idiocy. Only the collected works of literary art (Oral Literature) impressed me). Hon. Arab Mibei (Original) studied law from home and rose to become Acting AG (from time to time under Moi). He however never distinguished himself as an advocate, just like "genius" Murkomen ( who is a "bright" advocate on TV screens).

Frankly I have not seen any intellect or scholarship shinning through Ruto. He is a man on a mission to make as much money as he can possibly make. Here is what Obafemi Awolowo once vowed:
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I was going to make myself formidable intellectually, morally invulnerable, to make all the money that is possible for a man with my brains and brawn to make in Nigeria.
Ruto fails in Intellect, morality but wins on money.

And Dr. Azikiwe wrote:
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That henceforth I shall utilize my earned income to secure my enjoyment of a high standard of living and also to give a helping hand to the need

Achebe calls it "Self-centered pedestrianism... poverty of thought


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If Uhuru wins GEMA+Kalenjin registered votes and they turned out at 90% plus they usually do - Uhuru is already past 45% - without getting any extra votes from other tribes.
Your percentages eventually turn magical right before our eyes. Kalenjin and Kikuyu now make up 45% of the registered voters. Let me see 45% of 19M = 8,550,000. The question is if this is true, why isn't Uhuru asleep in State House? Why is he suffering abuse and dishing out family cash and begging Qatar, Oman, India, China etc for campaign cash?


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You have to block Uhuru getting 2-3% from all over kenya. It impossible feat. I ran all scenarios in 2013 and came to conclusion Uhuru was winning in first round no matter what - worse case scenarios was 2013 - when people who normally voted 50-60% voted 85%.
If your arithmetic is accurate, there is no point of blocking him to get 2% more which is a "paltry" 380,000 votes.

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Remember in 2013 - UhuRuto - was against the world including Obama  the powerful POTUS - now its a breeze
This is the point when I feel like hurling one of my well-known insults. I think you are losing it.

Mark this carefully: If any US president wants to overthrow any government on earth, it is a matter of time and it is achieved. The time it would take depends on the nature of the country. If it is an African country, there are fee exceptions.

In Kenya's case, the CIA would have just asked select military officers to seize power and install whomever they were ordered to.

Obama did not interfere with Kenya's politics. That is a flat LIE which is intended to besmirch the legacy of Obama. He could not be standing aside to see Mubarak go home and come to a banana republic to adjudicate. Please understand the basic foundations of Obama's policies and stop peddling conspiracy theories. Better still go to choo.com with this crap. Shame on you.

I think you are close to becoming one of those riff raff's I ignore or insult.
Bure kabisa
 
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Re: So Ruto Organized Jeering in Kapsabet
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2017, 01:58:48 PM »
Omollo - I see you're starting to lose it - after realizing NASA is going nowhere.

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Re: So Ruto Organized Jeering in Kapsabet
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2017, 02:18:02 PM »
Omollo - I see you're starting to lose it - after realizing NASA is going nowhere.
NASA is winning. We are receiving more high ranking defectors today or Friday.

Have you read the Audit of the IEBC? It vindicates all I have been saying here.
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Re: So Ruto Organized Jeering in Kapsabet
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2017, 03:00:16 PM »
Where is the IEBC audit report
NASA is winning. We are receiving more high ranking defectors today or Friday.

Have you read the Audit of the IEBC? It vindicates all I have been saying here.

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Re: So Ruto Organized Jeering in Kapsabet
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2017, 03:02:08 PM »
Thought it was public. I read it over the weekend
Where is the IEBC audit report
NASA is winning. We are receiving more high ranking defectors today or Friday.

Have you read the Audit of the IEBC? It vindicates all I have been saying here.
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Re: So Ruto Organized Jeering in Kapsabet
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2017, 03:07:10 PM »
Not seen it...I am assuming you're talking about KPMG Audit report?
Thought it was public. I read it over the weekend

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Re: So Ruto Organized Jeering in Kapsabet
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2017, 04:41:23 PM »
Not seen it...I am assuming you're talking about KPMG Audit report?
Thought it was public. I read it over the weekend
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