Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week

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[Omollo]

I find May arrogant and dishonest. I think she is naturally obnoxious. Too many cliches and slogans. No substance. She must be spending al her time cramming phrases to drop.

I am thrilled to learn that her 26 point lead when she called the elections has vanished and she is to blame for it.

[Georgesoros]

May = Trump

[Kadudu]

Labour has a lot to catch up. The election is for May to loose. May could survive with a whisker after the disastous performance in the election campaign. If she wins she will be more at the mercy of the hawkish Tory MPs she had wanted to get rid of with the call for the snap election.

[Omollo]

May = Trump

I sincerely hope she loses. She has set about demonizing Jeremy Corbyn

[Omollo]

Labour has a lot to catch up. The election is for May to loose. May could survive with a whisker after the disastous performance in the election campaign. If she wins she will be more at the mercy of the hawkish Tory MPs she had wanted to get rid of with the call for the snap election.

I think as of now it is Corbin's to lose. The Pollsters cannot accept what they seeing. We have a Clinton-Trump situation again. The media expects May to win, the polls have started telling them she may lose badly. The media refuses to buy in. They invite Corbin to the studios to humiliate him but he turns tables on them by answering each and every one of their questions.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

May = Trump

I am genuinely confused about who is who in this election.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

It's quite shocking how they talk about welfare - even the conservative.  You'd never see this level of acceptance for serving mwananchi in the US.

[gout]

I like his stand on the Palestine and terrorist Israel. The Israel terror need to be addressed for peace in middle East and to check global terrorism . Too bad Trump has become a turncoat.

[Omollo]

It's quite shocking how they talk about welfare - even the conservative.  You'd never see this level of acceptance for serving mwananchi in the US.

You are a real American

In most of Europe, there are certain things that are well cemented in the national culture they are no longer subject to debate. One of those id welfare. Such things like Free Health, guaranteed Income, Housing etc are not subject to political party tinkering. The debate is usually on how to widen and deepen it while ensuring it lasts longer and is more effective/ efficient.

On a scale of 1 to twelve when twelve is the worst, UK is about rank 11 while Sweden, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Denmark are collectively at number one.

Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Belgium etc come after with France being the stop between all those and Britain at number ten.

Most Europeans do not understand why Trump would repeal Obamacare which they felt had not even gone far enough. For starters they expected a Single Payer system without private insurances involved. Obamacare would not even compare at 3% of the British NHS; I believe there is no comparison of any kind with the Scandinavian system.

So there you are with the European Conservative.

The American Conservative is basically an Ebenezer Scrooge Character. He is mean and bigoted. He derives pleasure from hurting as many as possible. He is a racist pretending not to be and he is proud of it. He is mostly white - unless he is called Cruz and hispanic who BTW thinks he is white!
 

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

It's quite shocking how they talk about welfare - even the conservative.  You'd never see this level of acceptance for serving mwananchi in the US.

You are a real American

In most of Europe, there are certain things that are well cemented in the national culture they are no longer subject to debate. One of those id welfare. Such things like Free Health, guaranteed Income, Housing etc are not subject to political party tinkering. The debate is usually on how to widen and deepen it while ensuring it lasts longer and is more effective/ efficient.

On a scale of 1 to twelve when twelve is the worst, UK is about rank 11 while Sweden, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Denmark are collectively at number one.

Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Belgium etc come after with France being the stop between all those and Britain at number ten.

Most Europeans do not understand why Trump would repeal Obamacare which they felt had not even gone far enough. For starters they expected a Single Payer system without private insurances involved. Obamacare would not even compare at 3% of the British NHS; I believe there is no comparison of any kind with the Scandinavian system.

So there you are with the European Conservative.

The American Conservative is basically an Ebenezer Scrooge Character. He is mean and bigoted. He derives pleasure from hurting as many as possible. He is a racist pretending not to be and he is proud of it. He is mostly white - unless he is called Cruz and hispanic who BTW thinks he is white!
 

I totally agree with that.  The regular joe, especially the so-called conservative(in reality a plain racist), has been conditioned to believe he is better off dying than paying a little extra that might end up helping a "lazy Negro" somewhere.  You literally cannot reason with them.

[Omollo]

I like his stand on the Palestine and terrorist Israel. The Israel terror need to be addressed for peace in middle East and to check global terrorism . Too bad Trump has become a turncoat.

Trump never wavered in his support of Israel.

Corbin's position is in line with the Pre-Thatcher position on Israel. Thatcher started the process which was completed by Tony "Weapons of Mass Destruction" Blair. He is not unsurprisingly against Corbin.

Trump is music to conspiracy Theorists like Hubris. He is bombing them and killing and they are cheering because he has mastered the art of deception.

[Kadame5]

May = Trump

A gross mischaracterization. I have little sympathy for Brexiteers but May is nothing like Trump, come on.

[Kadame5]

It's quite shocking how they talk about welfare - even the conservative.  You'd never see this level of acceptance for serving mwananchi in the US.

That's why I have now become accustomed to qualifying any talk of 'conservative' or 'liberal' as the American meanings of the word. EU use of these words are wildly different.

But to be technically accurate, American 'liberals' are only socially liberal. Left is NOT liberal. Liberal means little to no government involvement. Liberal is actually 'Right.' So what we call liberal in colloquial 'American' is a stance that is liberal on social issues only but not fiscal and welfare matters. Most conservatives are fiscally conservative but not fully social liberal.

In any case, virtually all serious parties in most EU countries would be non-conservative (in the US sense). Even nationalist parties like Lepen's are very liberal on many issues. (again, in the American sense).

Thersa May is left of Hillary Clinton by far.

By the way I absolutely dislike her. I thought she was just a female George Bush who destroyed Libya. Trump did not have to be stupid after elections. He is not a true conservative. He had no true loyalty to them. He was for a lot of Obama policies (which he'd never admit were Obama's). I think American Democrats have made a big mistake in going on an all-out war. They could have brought him to their side with little flattering and his giant ego would have loved it and he would've pushed ahead a lot of their policies that Repubs have been blocking. Going on an all-out war has pushed him further to the right than he himself would have gone as it has left him no allies. If they get their wish and the man is impeached, they will get a true conservative in a president Pence, and that will be bad for them. Sure, No international embarrassments but very bad all the same.

[Kadame5]

It's quite shocking how they talk about welfare - even the conservative.  You'd never see this level of acceptance for serving mwananchi in the US.

You are a real American

In most of Europe, there are certain things that are well cemented in the national culture they are no longer subject to debate. One of those id welfare. Such things like Free Health, guaranteed Income, Housing etc are not subject to political party tinkering. The debate is usually on how to widen and deepen it while ensuring it lasts longer and is more effective/ efficient.

On a scale of 1 to twelve when twelve is the worst, UK is about rank 11 while Sweden, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Denmark are collectively at number one.

Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Belgium etc come after with France being the stop between all those and Britain at number ten.

Most Europeans do not understand why Trump would repeal Obamacare which they felt had not even gone far enough. For starters they expected a Single Payer system without private insurances involved. Obamacare would not even compare at 3% of the British NHS; I believe there is no comparison of any kind with the Scandinavian system.

So there you are with the European Conservative.

The American Conservative is basically an Ebenezer Scrooge Character. He is mean and bigoted. He derives pleasure from hurting as many as possible. He is a racist pretending not to be and he is proud of it. He is mostly white - unless he is called Cruz and hispanic who BTW thinks he is white!

In my personal opinion, France is far better with social matters than Switzerland. Switzerland has no free healthcare. Insurance there is mandatory and SUPER expensive. In fact, what am I saying, EVERYTHING in Switzerland in ridiculously expensive. Even basic food and such commodities in Super-markets. It's unbelievable to be honest. Their high salaries correspond to their high living costs. Going to a restaurant is not something you can just do ovyo ovyo like in France or any other surrounding country for that matter. Even public transport is too much in Switzerland. France is great.  And cheap. To be fair, so are the salaries. Also, the French are taxed too much. But not like Scandinavians. I hear it's almost impossible to start a small business in Scandinavia. The taxes will kill you.

For all our admiration of European social welfare, I think they got nothing on the US in terms of entrepreneurship and individual success. In the US the government doesn;t overly tax people and I get the sense that you work hard and smart in the US, sky is the limit for you. You can go far very fast. There are pluses and negatives to everything, lets not forget.

Although Americans are  crazy, my friend told me she doesn't get paid maternity leave. They let her go home but she doesn't get paid...now that is unthinkable in Europe. And maternity leaves are much longer than just two or three months. Even in a poor country like Kenya, there's paid maternity (even paternity) leave in formal employment. Kweli tea-partiers are insane. Things like universal health care and paid maternity leave are not things anyone in their right minds would oppose in my view, it's just ideology that blinds people. Even in Kenya it's just coz we can't afford. But we would never oppose it on principle like Americans do. Crazy!

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

It's quite shocking how they talk about welfare - even the conservative.  You'd never see this level of acceptance for serving mwananchi in the US.

That's why I have now become accustomed to qualifying any talk of 'conservative' or 'liberal' as the American meanings of the word. EU use of these words are wildly different.

But to be technically accurate, American 'liberals' are only socially liberal. Left is NOT liberal. Liberal means little to no government involvement. Liberal is actually 'Right.' So what we call liberal in colloquial 'American' is a stance that is liberal on social issues only but not fiscal and welfare matters. Most conservatives are fiscally conservative but not fully social liberal.

In any case, virtually all serious parties in most EU countries would be non-conservative (in the US sense). Even nationalist parties like Lepen's are very liberal on many issues. (again, in the American sense).

Thersa May is left of Hillary Clinton by far.

By the way I absolutely dislike her. I thought she was just a female George Bush who destroyed Libya. Trump did not have to be stupid after elections. He is not a true conservative. He had no true loyalty to them. He was for a lot of Obama policies (which he'd never admit were Obama's). I think American Democrats have made a big mistake in going on an all-out war. They could have brought him to their side with little flattering and his giant ego would have loved it and he would've pushed ahead a lot of their policies that Repubs have been blocking. Going on an all-out war has pushed him further to the right than he himself would have gone as it has left him no allies. If they get their wish and the man is impeached, they will get a true conservative in a president Pence, and that will be bad for them. Sure, No international embarrassments but very bad all the same.

I agree they have different meanings in Europe.  In the US, liberal is associated with the left(socially, fiscally and economically), while conservative is associated with the free market.  There is a caveat though - the Republican base has established a track record of voting against their own economic interests, usually because social issues and identity politics trump those.  The result is people voting for a party they know will make life harder for them, but hope it hurts the "others" even more.  It's a lot like tribalism in Kenya.

Trump is at his core, a racist.  That's not a figment of the left's imagination.  His father was KKK.  He has been sued severally for racism in his real estate business.  He made his name in politics by leading the birther movement.  He has appointed the most racist attorney general in living memory.  His key advisers, that are not his relatives, are associated with white nationalism,...the idea that Democrats can ride his ego to get their agenda is far-fetched.  He does have ego issues, but he will not do anything(basically showing kindness to the "other") to annoy his base.

[Kadame5]

I agree they have different meanings in Europe.  In the US, liberal is associated with the left(socially, fiscally and economically), while conservative is associated with the free market.  There is a caveat though - the Republican base has established a track record of voting against their own economic interests, usually because social issues and identity politics trump those.  The result is people voting for a party they know will make life harder for them, but hope it hurts the "others" even more.  It's a lot like tribalism in Kenya.

Trump is at his core, a racist.  That's not a figment of the left's imagination.  His father was KKK.  He has been sued severally for racism in his real estate business.  He made his name in politics by leading the birther movement.  He has appointed the most racist attorney general in living memory.  His key advisers, that are not his relatives, are associated with white nationalism,...the idea that Democrats can ride his ego to get their agenda is far-fetched.  He does have ego issues, but he will not do anything(basically showing kindness to the "other") to annoy his base.

Here's why I don't think it's far fetched. Trump's base is not even conservative proper. As long as he builds them a wall and stops further immigration they'll be satisfied. I am thinking things like universal healthcare; that would not annoy Trump's base though it would infuriate the Republican Party.

Also, I think I wasn't accurate before. The way Americans use 'Left' and 'Right' is what is off, not liberal/conservative. Social liberal issues would be 'Right' along with the free market and social conservative would be left along with the welfare state etc. So most Europeans would say they are on the Right on social issues and the left on the fiscal. Americans mix them up. Or speak of things like centre left, centre right, for the nuance which is even more confusing to me. But most people know more about the American use so listening to Europeans talking is very confusing at least for me it is.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I agree they have different meanings in Europe.  In the US, liberal is associated with the left(socially, fiscally and economically), while conservative is associated with the free market.  There is a caveat though - the Republican base has established a track record of voting against their own economic interests, usually because social issues and identity politics trump those.  The result is people voting for a party they know will make life harder for them, but hope it hurts the "others" even more.  It's a lot like tribalism in Kenya.

Trump is at his core, a racist.  That's not a figment of the left's imagination.  His father was KKK.  He has been sued severally for racism in his real estate business.  He made his name in politics by leading the birther movement.  He has appointed the most racist attorney general in living memory.  His key advisers, that are not his relatives, are associated with white nationalism,...the idea that Democrats can ride his ego to get their agenda is far-fetched.  He does have ego issues, but he will not do anything(basically showing kindness to the "other") to annoy his base.

Here's why I don't think it's far fetched. Trump's base is not even conservative proper. As long as he builds them a wall and stops further immigration they'll be satisfied. I am thinking things like universal healthcare; that would not annoy Trump's base though it would infuriate the Republican Party.

Also, I think I wasn't accurate before. The way Americans use 'Left' and 'Right' is what is off, not liberal/conservative. Social liberal issues would be 'Right' along with the free market and social conservative would be left along with the welfare state etc. So most Europeans would say they are on the Right on social issues and the left on the fiscal. Americans mix them up. Or speak of things like centre left, centre right, for the nuance which is even more confusing. But most people know more about the American use so listening to Europeans talking is very confusing at first.

Things like healthcare matter to them.  But they are not show-stoppers.  The wall and harsh anti-immigrant policies are their bread and butter - Obama's election brought home the reality that soon they won't be a majority.  The Dems are not going to work with him on a wall.  Neither are the Republicans for different reasons.

I agree it's confusing how Euros use those terms.  That said, at least fiscally, Europe(conservative or whatever) is left(American meaning) of both major parties.

[Kadame5]

author=Windy City Assassin

I agree it's confusing how Euros use those terms.  That said, at least fiscally, Europe(conservative or whatever) is left(American meaning) of both major parties.

O for sure. A European Republican party would be a fringe little group most people knew nothing about or knew them very well for being a strange little group that was anti universal healthcare. The Dems would be super conservative.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

author=Windy City Assassin

I agree it's confusing how Euros use those terms.  That said, at least fiscally, Europe(conservative or whatever) is left(American meaning) of both major parties.

O for sure. A European Republican party would be a fringe little group most people knew nothing about or knew them very well for being a strange little group that was anti universal healthcare. The Dems would be super conservative.

Yep.  Obama could not even bring himself to mention a public option, let alone single payer, when he started negotiations on Obamacare. 

Bernie Sanders would fit in Europe, as a normal guy.  His ideas here are generally viewed as fringe.