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Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2017, 06:41:39 PM »
I agree. A straight comparison between France and Switzerland places the latter closer to the US on steroids. When I lived there as an International civil servant I was exempt from taxes a nd compensated for having to spend my cash in that country. Most of my colleagues lived in France even though they worked in Geneva. The rents or houses were like 90% plus cheaper.

Switzerland makes money from the rich. That has been its tradition. There is plenty of it and anything less would create inflation worse than Zimbabwe. They have ways of vacuum cleaning some of that cash.

I however always felt they could do more as a country.
In my personal opinion, France is far better with social matters than Switzerland. Switzerland has no free healthcare. Insurance there is mandatory and SUPER expensive. In fact, what am I saying, EVERYTHING in Switzerland in ridiculously expensive. Even basic food and such commodities in Super-markets. It's unbelievable to be honest. Their high salaries correspond to their high living costs. Going to a restaurant is not something you can just do ovyo ovyo like in France or any other surrounding country for that matter. Even public transport is too much in Switzerland. France is great.  :D And cheap. To be fair, so are the salaries. Also, the French are taxed too much. But not like Scandinavians. I hear it's almost impossible to start a small business in Scandinavia. The taxes will kill you.

For all our admiration of European social welfare, I think they got nothing on the US in terms of entrepreneurship and individual success. In the US the government doesn;t overly tax people and I get the sense that you work hard and smart in the US, sky is the limit for you. You can go far very fast. There are pluses and negatives to everything, lets not forget.

Although Americans are  crazy, my friend told me she doesn't get paid maternity leave. They let her go home but she doesn't get paid...now that is unthinkable in Europe. And maternity leaves are much longer than just two or three months. Even in a poor country like Kenya, there's paid maternity (even paternity) leave in formal employment. Kweli tea-partiers are insane. Things like universal health care and paid maternity leave are not things anyone in their right minds would oppose in my view, it's just ideology that blinds people. Even in Kenya it's just coz we can't afford. But we would never oppose it on principle like Americans do. Crazy!
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Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2017, 12:54:32 AM »
In my mother tongue when something you were talking about gets snatched from your mouth, we liken it to something happening before the hen swallows a grain of maize.

Did I just write that? I can't believe I wrote all that (above) Hubris will celebrate if he learns I have written this...

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Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2017, 12:20:40 PM »
It's possible the terror attacks will do Corbyn in.
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Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2017, 04:10:51 PM »
It's possible the terror attacks will do Corbyn in.
That is why Tony "Weapons-Of_Mass_Destruction" Blair wants. He has already asked for a postponement so that he can seize the labor party and make a comeback

My opinion is that Teresa May sucked up bad. She will go home along with Uhuru
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Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2017, 12:17:39 PM »
Theresa May sheds MPs... what a loser. This woman should have let the bumbling Boris Johnson lead the party.

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Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2017, 12:58:48 PM »
May has refused to resign. The question is how long she will manage to stay on.

My take is that her deal with the DUP may at best last year before their demands prove too much for the mainstream tories. She will get a dagger or two in her back from her colleagues in a bloody leadership challenge.

It is interesting that the tories are labelling Jeremy a "terrorist sympathiser". The terrorist attacks would traditionally "benefit" May but this time seemed to backfire spectacularly when Jeremy showed that she cut police etc in her austerity push while Home minister!

I think the UK will be going back to the polls in less than a year and May would not be leading her party. I can predict that Labor will wipe them out.

My greatest pleasure was to see Blairites lose in Labor. Had they given support to Jeremy, labor would have won a stunning victory. Sadly these bastards actually voted for May.
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Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2017, 01:13:55 PM »
Omollo, I am sure the Democratic Party is watching Jeremy closely because 2020 is almost here. Obamacare has definitely shifted politics here too and  a younger Bernie Sanders may actually do much  better here too.


It's quite shocking how they talk about welfare - even the conservative.  You'd never see this level of acceptance for serving mwananchi in the US.
You are a real American

In most of Europe, there are certain things that are well cemented in the national culture they are no longer subject to debate. One of those id welfare. Such things like Free Health, guaranteed Income, Housing etc are not subject to political party tinkering. The debate is usually on how to widen and deepen it while ensuring it lasts longer and is more effective/ efficient.

On a scale of 1 to twelve when twelve is the worst, UK is about rank 11 while Sweden, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Denmark are collectively at number one.

Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Belgium etc come after with France being the stop between all those and Britain at number ten.

Most Europeans do not understand why Trump would repeal Obamacare which they felt had not even gone far enough. For starters they expected a Single Payer system without private insurances involved. Obamacare would not even compare at 3% of the British NHS; I believe there is no comparison of any kind with the Scandinavian system.

So there you are with the European Conservative.

The American Conservative is basically an Ebenezer Scrooge Character. He is mean and bigoted. He derives pleasure from hurting as many as possible. He is a racist pretending not to be and he is proud of it. He is mostly white - unless he is called Cruz and hispanic who BTW thinks he is white!
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Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2017, 04:16:55 PM »
Omollo, I am sure the Democratic Party is watching Jeremy closely because 2020 is almost here. Obamacare has definitely shifted politics here too and  a younger Bernie Sanders may actually do much  better here too.

The Conservatives are shocked but the Right Wing part of the Labour party led by Blairites is stunned! I think Blair will shut his mouth for the longest period - roughly a day.

There is now an open rebellion against austerity, thatcherism and Scrooge politics. Where politicians would stand up and tell people they are going to be mean and be cheered, we are seeing compassion coming in.

Jeremy Corbyn made no secret of his socialist leanings. Britain has been scrooged by successive governments including the Blair Right Wing Government. It is not a sin to pay higher taxes if you are earning a lot. We have many wealthy people questioning why they would not pay more to help the less privileged. Yet their governments are busy robbing the poor and apologizing to the rich for their taxes. When reminded that they pay zero taxes, the governments say "Right, we shall get you some compensation for the taxes you paid before you were born" Governments are so forthcoming towards the rich and corporations it has become ridiculous.

Let them pay taxes to build a clean, safe country and if they want to ship jobs to China, insist they ship their children and wives to smog filled Beijing as well. They will be back home faster than you can say "Carcinophobia "

The republicans hoped that the dems would resist the repeal. It didn't happen. I hope the actually pass it through the senate so it is no ,longer an issue. Then those who were demanding the repeal of Obamacare but not the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will have something to debate the Republicans in 2018 and 2022.


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Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2017, 04:51:34 PM »
I mentioned this two weeks ago and it came to pass. :D :D :D
Btw, I do not like that woman. She wants to be Margret Thatcher 2nd.

Labour has a lot to catch up. The election is for May to loose. May could survive with a whisker after the disastous performance in the election campaign. If she wins she will be more at the mercy of the hawkish Tory MPs she had wanted to get rid of with the call for the snap election.

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Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2017, 08:07:47 PM »
Corbyn's Labor can hardly win a majority due to siege from nationalist fringe parties in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland - its former fortes. They would have to upstage the Tories in England. A tall order. This loss is more due to May's fumbling than Tory polices; she will be ousted.
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Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2017, 08:38:23 PM »
I have never seen a more robotic campaign than that of May. She had all these rehearsed slogans. 
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Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2017, 08:55:40 PM »
She resorted to recitation after the "shock" of her poor reception. A politician of her experience... yet so naive and incompetent :(

I have never seen a more robotic campaign than that of May. She had all these rehearsed slogans.
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Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2017, 08:57:14 PM »
No range rover, No Jaguar. The guy rode a maxi-taxi
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Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2017, 08:59:42 PM »
She had millions perhaps billions to spend on the campaign and launched personal attacks on Jeremy. They backfired. She released attack dogs like Boris. It didn't work.

Frankly if they hadn't turned away 18 - 24 year olds citing an old register those thousands would have made all the difference.
She resorted to recitation after the "shock" of her poor reception. A politician of her experience... yet so naive and incompetent :(

I have never seen a more robotic campaign than that of May. She had all these rehearsed slogans.
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Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2017, 09:16:07 PM »
She had millions perhaps billions to spend on the campaign and launched personal attacks on Jeremy. They backfired. She released attack dogs like Boris. It didn't work.

Frankly if they hadn't turned away 18 - 24 year olds citing an old register those thousands would have made all the difference.
She resorted to recitation after the "shock" of her poor reception. A politician of her experience... yet so naive and incompetent :(

I have never seen a more robotic campaign than that of May. She had all these rehearsed slogans.

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Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2017, 09:19:47 PM »
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Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2017, 09:20:50 PM »
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Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2017, 09:39:02 PM »
The Thieves now seek to denigrate Corbin

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Re: Jeremy corbin will win UK election next week
« Reply #39 on: June 10, 2017, 06:04:00 PM »
I'm very disappointed with the result. I had hoped May would not be able to continue with her hard Brexit nonsense. They humbled her but did not knock her out!  :(