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Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2016, 01:51:38 PM »
This is NOT entirely true and is self defeatist. We are somewhere. That is why Kinisu with his PWC credential is facing a probe.

Provide facts to support your assertion that it's not true.

Anything.

Starting from Jomo's regime to Uhuru's.

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Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2016, 02:18:51 PM »
I see UhuRuto's hand in EACC/DPP chasing tail... otherwise they would act. It is a window to recoup / refuel campaign kitty. It is not rocket science.

This is NOT entirely true and is self defeatist. We are somewhere. That is why Kinisu with his PWC credential is facing a probe.

Provide facts to support your assertion that it's not true.

Anything.

Starting from Jomo's regime to Uhuru's.
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Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2016, 05:47:42 PM »
There is a saying somewhere about repeating the same action and expecting a different outcome.  I have also mentioned elsewhere that these things should be outsourced; a fraction of recovered proceeds used to pay the third party.  Any reasonable person can see that there is no hope of Kenyans sorting out the corruption by their own devices.
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Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2016, 05:52:24 PM »
There is a saying somewhere about repeating the same action and expecting a different outcome.  I have also mentioned elsewhere that these things should be outsourced; a fraction of recovered proceeds used to pay the third party. 

Will never happen.   That would require serious action from the "leadership", and they would "lose" the most in an honest system.     
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Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2016, 05:54:08 PM »
There is a saying somewhere about repeating the same action and expecting a different outcome.  I have also mentioned elsewhere that these things should be outsourced; a fraction of recovered proceeds used to pay the third party. 

Will never happen.   That would require serious action from the "leadership", and they would "lose" the most in an honest system.     


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Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2016, 04:33:26 PM »
Summoned by CID - He should just resign.
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000209786/eacc-chair-kinisu-grilled-over-family-dealings-with-nys


This is exactly why I think EACC is a waste of money.  They do the work of a police department with specialized help when needed.
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Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2016, 05:00:21 PM »
Summoned by CID - He should just resign.
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000209786/eacc-chair-kinisu-grilled-over-family-dealings-with-nys

Why?

He knows nothing is going to happen.

He's being summoned during working hours so he'll probably be earning per diem.

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Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2016, 05:03:08 PM »
Who will investigate the police - who are the most corrupt. IPOA seem restricted in their mandate. I think having EACC was good idea - we just need to make it work. We have tried several people - include the motormouth lumumba, this kinisu guy from PWC, Aron Ringera the former judge and other colorless folks along the way..but all seem to come short. Maybe outsource this job to FBI?
This is exactly why I think EACC is a waste of money.  They do the work of a police department with specialized help when needed.

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Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2016, 05:04:45 PM »
He is damaged goods. What should happen next is for someone to petition parliament for him to be ejected. He should have disclosed this NYS deal. He is not good for anyone including Uhuru. You want a "very clean" guy in there...even if you're interested in cynical PR game.

How is he suppose to investigate NYS while he is part of the it.

Why?

He knows nothing is going to happen.

He's being summoned during working hours so he'll probably be earning per diem.

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Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2016, 05:11:16 PM »
Muhoro himself has been mentioned in questionable deals that  the EACC might want to look at:

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[Tatu City] The investment again grabbed headlines in the past week when lawyer Ahmednasir Abdullahi accused Director of Criminal Investigations Ndegwa Muhoro of complicity in an attempt to rob the main investors of their stake in the business.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/The-sad-story-of-Tatu-City-/-/1056/3114978/-/rfosum/-/index.html

Maybe DCI and EACC can take turns investigating each other.     :D
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Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2016, 05:13:06 PM »
Who will investigate the police - who are the most corrupt. IPOA seem restricted in their mandate. I think having EACC was good idea - we just need to make it work. We have tried several people - include the motormouth lumumba, this kinisu guy from PWC, Aron Ringera the former judge and other colorless folks along the way..but all seem to come short. Maybe outsource this job to FBI?
This is exactly why I think EACC is a waste of money.  They do the work of a police department with specialized help when needed.

Ultimately the buck has to stop with someone that can be trusted.  Both EACC and police are corrupt.  Should we now create another one to watch over them?  We'll just have to trust one.  The police.  They are independent.  Supposedly.  This is the one institution that could use the Kagame like types.  It might be a good idea to make the Inspector General an elected position.  EACC is basically a panic institution.  Their work so far?  A foil to ease political pressure on the crooks. 


If the oversight institutions are corrupt, it's still better to limit them to as few as possible.  Keep the damage localized.  Stick to one and look for avenues of making it more reliable.
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Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2016, 11:42:58 AM »
NYS - Their family company applied under "youths".
More dirt ; He got 150m from Malaria control under suspicious circumtances.
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2016/07/27/eacc-boss-kinisus-firm-got-sh150m-for-malaria-insecticides_c1392983

Kinisu should have resigned from day one - now he need to be dragged before court and tribunal - if Uhuru doesn't tell him to step aside.

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Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2016, 03:13:01 PM »
Honestly this Kinisu guy.... how deep is he in corruption? Every day brings out new dirt and it is in millions. I am now bracing for the "Big One" involving him and some state agency. I wont be surprised if the say he is also a "night Runner" covering Bungoma all the way to Nyakach.

NYS - Their family company applied under "youths".
More dirt ; He got 150m from Malaria control under suspicious circumtances.
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2016/07/27/eacc-boss-kinisus-firm-got-sh150m-for-malaria-insecticides_c1392983

Kinisu should have resigned from day one - now he need to be dragged before court and tribunal - if Uhuru doesn't tell him to step aside.

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Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2016, 04:04:43 PM »
Regime change at the top is the only hope.  If the system that picks them is corrupt and rigged to favor the corrupt then we should not expect any better. Right now the same rigged/corrupt system is picking a CJ and somehow we hope the next CJ will be independent and not corrupt.  We have to be out of our minds to expect that level of miracle to happen.  We focus on tribe and they steal with wanton abandon. Its like stealing candy from disabled infants.
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Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
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Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2016, 03:55:02 PM »
Sorry. I didn't pay attention to the date. He resigned from the bank that laundered his loot.

The question is who shot at him. Did he arrange it himself?

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Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2016, 06:43:19 PM »



On the same day early this month,
EACC head Kinisu was at CID HQ being grilled on corruption
while DCI Ndegwa Muhoro was at EACC being grilled on corruption

you can't make this stuff up !!!!


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Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2016, 10:50:22 PM »
There are some things in The Fatherland I simply fail to understand. May be too many years in other people's countries has that sort of outcome.

We have senior policemen confessing to running wide and deep cartels collecting money in a pyramid like formation. These stories are appearing in newspapers having been stated before a lawful Constitutional Tribunal.

On the other hand we have the Kenya Revenue Authority; The Kenya Anti-Corruption Commission (ignore the Ethics portion for now anyway); The Judiciary (whose suo moto powers have never once been tested or practiced); The executive (which continues to declare its commitment to end corruption; Parliament (what can I say? Two houses of fully paid grown ups); Assets Recovery Unit (with unlimited powers and access to the courts and above all The Director of Public Prosecutions. I may add we have a self declared Opus Dei (Catholic probably God fearing as well) Central Bank Governor?

Any one of these can launch investigations independent of the Kavuludi Kangaroo tribunal.

Nothing is happening...
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Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
« Reply #39 on: August 29, 2016, 10:56:08 PM »
There are some things in The Fatherland I simply fail to understand. May be too many years in other people's countries has that sort of outcome.

We have senior policemen confessing to running wide and deep cartels collecting money in a pyramid like formation. These stories are appearing in newspapers having been stated before a lawful Constitutional Tribunal.

On the other hand we have the Kenya Revenue Authority; The Kenya Anti-Corruption Commission (ignore the Ethics portion for now anyway); The Judiciary (whose suo moto powers have never once been tested or practiced); The executive (which continues to declare its commitment to end corruption; Parliament (what can I say? Two houses of fully paid grown ups); Assets Recovery Unit (with unlimited powers and access to the courts and above all The Director of Public Prosecutions. I may add we have a self declared Opus Dei (Catholic probably God fearing as well) Central Bank Governor?

Any one of these can launch investigations independent of the Kavuludi Kangaroo tribunal.

Nothing is happening...

With complete Mpesa records to boot!