Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.

[RV Pundit]

Dont think Western Countries changing leaders is news.
It's frankly waste of time and energy.
Those are modern democracies that can change 10 leaders in a month and still every new leader will fight Russia.
Even the most far right of American or UK or Germany - knows Putin is tinpot dictator who is finally on the rope.
And they will fight him because finally Russia has been exposed to be weak.

The basic - almost all western democracies find Russia and Putin an african like dictatorship that is disgusting.
Because it was powerful - Trump and type thought they would accommodate RUssia.
But now it's been exposed as very weak by Ukraine. Now every western leader want a piece of Putin.

Once western countries are this united -   Russia will be isolated.
China and India are next to be asked tough question.
And they will crumble.

Russia big mistake remaining running away from KIEV. It huge blunder.

Well U.S.  secretary of Defence has already said how impressive Russian weapons are , Russia already deployed Hypersonic weapons in Ukrainian conflict . No country has any defensive weapons against Hypersonic weapons .Russia is located in a strategic place few kilometers to Europe and few Kilometers to America.
Some opine upon use of Nuclear weapon NATO should escalate the situation and join the fray the more realistic and sober ones opine to prevent a full blown Nuclear war NATO should negotiate with Russia.
I tell you for free it will be the end of Convetional War . Full stop.

Continue dreaming Russian Military will overthrow Putin . Putin is the more moderate politician they have the Military leaders are hardliners most of them are even in Ukraine fighting. I repeat again most Western leaders will be out of power before Putin , Happened with U.K PM , Italy PM Sweden PM. by 2024 2/3rds of the leaders will be civilians ans Putin will still be the Russian leaders.

U.S. is already on Chinas case why would China want to join their sanction regime when they are next . India has immensly gained with Cheap Russian oil why would they want to join the fray.
Yours is just wishful thinking. E.U. itself cannot even agree 100% on Russian sanctions and here you cheating yourself and us.

You were threatening Nuclear some months ago - what happened.
In fact the way Russia is behaving - their nuclear might be all rusted and ineffective.
If they dare throw one - USA and it allies will enter the fray - and destroy Russia in a week.

Before we get there - Russia military will simply overthrow Putin. He has failed.

For now - all US & EU need to finish Russia - is demand China and India stop trading with Russia - or they will be blocked from trading with US and EU. They have to choose Russia or US/EU - and you know they will drop Russia.

Russia will be left isolated and will have to negotiate their way back to Russia - then pay a huge bill to repair Ukraine.

Failure is an orphan and Russia is about to find out how isolated it can become.

And when he talked of Armegedon his operatives in state department told him not talk that language .
It would be dumb to escalate the war to an Armagedon as it will be the end of everyone .
As we speak Its Russia in Ukraine and they have their demands , Zelenski  has decided to negotiate in Feb because just like you guys he thinks he will advance where as the contrary will happen. They have been given all weapons from Western Countries stockpile until it depleted now but still no tangible results . Do you know what these means ? But hey continue consuming western media news , good for you. One small mistake and a real Armagedon will happen.

[Nowayhaha]

You are the one who was sayinv Putin will be overthrown I just pointed out he will be there whole current western leaders become civilians ask Merkel and Sarkhozy who thought they were very powerful some years ago.  Ask Boris Johnson and Obama who thought they could subdue Putin . Where are they now and where is Putin.
As we speak Croatia President and Hungary PM both Eu and NATO members are pinpointing the West is doing a mistake.

Your knowledge on Geopolitics is wanting stick to Sakaja and Kalenjin politics. History has proven its next to impossible to Isolate Russia such a large country with vast resources.

You need to study why China is Pro Russia , what is happening in Taiwan and the economic war waged on them by U.S.  Find out why India is getting cheap oil from Russia.
Where as Europeans can take the effects of economic sactions Asian ,African and South America  countries cant . Thats where Russias new money is if the trade trend continues in the next 10 years EU and US will lose the soft power over Asia, Africa and South America . Thats how regimes diminish go bsvk to your history.

Dont think Western Countries changing leaders is news.
It's frankly waste of time and energy.
Those are modern democracies that can change 10 leaders in a month and still every new leader will fight Russia.
Even the most far right of American or UK or Germany - knows Putin is tinpot dictator who is finally on the rope.
And they will fight him because finally Russia has been exposed to be weak.

The basic - almost all western democracies find Russia and Putin an african like dictatorship that is disgusting.
Because it was powerful - Trump and type thought they would accommodate RUssia.
But now it's been exposed as very weak by Ukraine. Now every western leader want a piece of Putin.

Once western countries are this united -   Russia will be isolated.
China and India are next to be asked tough question.
And they will crumble.

Russia big mistake remaining running away from KIEV. It huge blunder.

Well U.S.  secretary of Defence has already said how impressive Russian weapons are , Russia already deployed Hypersonic weapons in Ukrainian conflict . No country has any defensive weapons against Hypersonic weapons .Russia is located in a strategic place few kilometers to Europe and few Kilometers to America.
Some opine upon use of Nuclear weapon NATO should escalate the situation and join the fray the more realistic and sober ones opine to prevent a full blown Nuclear war NATO should negotiate with Russia.
I tell you for free it will be the end of Convetional War . Full stop.

Continue dreaming Russian Military will overthrow Putin . Putin is the more moderate politician they have the Military leaders are hardliners most of them are even in Ukraine fighting. I repeat again most Western leaders will be out of power before Putin , Happened with U.K PM , Italy PM Sweden PM. by 2024 2/3rds of the leaders will be civilians ans Putin will still be the Russian leaders.

U.S. is already on Chinas case why would China want to join their sanction regime when they are next . India has immensly gained with Cheap Russian oil why would they want to join the fray.
Yours is just wishful thinking. E.U. itself cannot even agree 100% on Russian sanctions and here you cheating yourself and us.

You were threatening Nuclear some months ago - what happened.
In fact the way Russia is behaving - their nuclear might be all rusted and ineffective.
If they dare throw one - USA and it allies will enter the fray - and destroy Russia in a week.

Before we get there - Russia military will simply overthrow Putin. He has failed.

For now - all US & EU need to finish Russia - is demand China and India stop trading with Russia - or they will be blocked from trading with US and EU. They have to choose Russia or US/EU - and you know they will drop Russia.

Russia will be left isolated and will have to negotiate their way back to Russia - then pay a huge bill to repair Ukraine.

Failure is an orphan and Russia is about to find out how isolated it can become.

And when he talked of Armegedon his operatives in state department told him not talk that language .
It would be dumb to escalate the war to an Armagedon as it will be the end of everyone .
As we speak Its Russia in Ukraine and they have their demands , Zelenski  has decided to negotiate in Feb because just like you guys he thinks he will advance where as the contrary will happen. They have been given all weapons from Western Countries stockpile until it depleted now but still no tangible results . Do you know what these means ? But hey continue consuming western media news , good for you. One small mistake and a real Armagedon will happen.

[RV Pundit]

Obama is happy after serving 10yrs.
Putin is unhappy after serving 30yrs.
That difference btw Russia and USA.
On is a democracy - the other is run by Putin and his whims.
That is why USA of A - always win.

Russia is in the ropes in Ukraine.

Next is to strangle it.
Chinese sanctions can be eased if they stop trading with Russia.

India is a joke - just a phone call by Biden will stop them.

Next year they will go for India - first - and that will leave only China trading with Russia.

You are the one who was sayinv Putin will be overthrown I just pointed out he will be there whole current western leaders become civilians ask Merkel and Sarkhozy who thought they were very powerful some years ago.  Ask Boris Johnson and Obama who thought they could subdue Putin . Where are they now and where is Putin.
As we speak Croatia President and Hungary PM both Eu and NATO members are pinpointing the West is doing a mistake.

Your knowledge on Geopolitics is wanting stick to Sakaja and Kalenjin politics. History has proven its next to impossible to Isolate Russia such a large country with vast resources.

You need to study why China is Pro Russia , what is happening in Taiwan and the economic war waged on them by U.S.  Find out why India is getting cheap oil from Russia.
Where as Europeans can take the effects of economic sactions Asian ,African and South America  countries cant . Thats where Russias new money is if the trade trend continues in the next 10 years EU and US will lose the soft power over Asia, Africa and South America . Thats how regimes diminish go bsvk to your history.

Dont think Western Countries changing leaders is news.
It's frankly waste of time and energy.
Those are modern democracies that can change 10 leaders in a month and still every new leader will fight Russia.
Even the most far right of American or UK or Germany - knows Putin is tinpot dictator who is finally on the rope.
And they will fight him because finally Russia has been exposed to be weak.

The basic - almost all western democracies find Russia and Putin an african like dictatorship that is disgusting.
Because it was powerful - Trump and type thought they would accommodate RUssia.
But now it's been exposed as very weak by Ukraine. Now every western leader want a piece of Putin.

Once western countries are this united -   Russia will be isolated.
China and India are next to be asked tough question.
And they will crumble.

Russia big mistake remaining running away from KIEV. It huge blunder.

Well U.S.  secretary of Defence has already said how impressive Russian weapons are , Russia already deployed Hypersonic weapons in Ukrainian conflict . No country has any defensive weapons against Hypersonic weapons .Russia is located in a strategic place few kilometers to Europe and few Kilometers to America.
Some opine upon use of Nuclear weapon NATO should escalate the situation and join the fray the more realistic and sober ones opine to prevent a full blown Nuclear war NATO should negotiate with Russia.
I tell you for free it will be the end of Convetional War . Full stop.

Continue dreaming Russian Military will overthrow Putin . Putin is the more moderate politician they have the Military leaders are hardliners most of them are even in Ukraine fighting. I repeat again most Western leaders will be out of power before Putin , Happened with U.K PM , Italy PM Sweden PM. by 2024 2/3rds of the leaders will be civilians ans Putin will still be the Russian leaders.

U.S. is already on Chinas case why would China want to join their sanction regime when they are next . India has immensly gained with Cheap Russian oil why would they want to join the fray.
Yours is just wishful thinking. E.U. itself cannot even agree 100% on Russian sanctions and here you cheating yourself and us.

You were threatening Nuclear some months ago - what happened.
In fact the way Russia is behaving - their nuclear might be all rusted and ineffective.
If they dare throw one - USA and it allies will enter the fray - and destroy Russia in a week.

Before we get there - Russia military will simply overthrow Putin. He has failed.

For now - all US & EU need to finish Russia - is demand China and India stop trading with Russia - or they will be blocked from trading with US and EU. They have to choose Russia or US/EU - and you know they will drop Russia.

Russia will be left isolated and will have to negotiate their way back to Russia - then pay a huge bill to repair Ukraine.

Failure is an orphan and Russia is about to find out how isolated it can become.

And when he talked of Armegedon his operatives in state department told him not talk that language .
It would be dumb to escalate the war to an Armagedon as it will be the end of everyone .
As we speak Its Russia in Ukraine and they have their demands , Zelenski  has decided to negotiate in Feb because just like you guys he thinks he will advance where as the contrary will happen. They have been given all weapons from Western Countries stockpile until it depleted now but still no tangible results . Do you know what these means ? But hey continue consuming western media news , good for you. One small mistake and a real Armagedon will happen.

[patel]

I endorse this message. The only honest voice in this war has been colonel Douglas McGregor.

You are the one who was sayinv Putin will be overthrown I just pointed out he will be there whole current western leaders become civilians ask Merkel and Sarkhozy who thought they were very powerful some years ago.  Ask Boris Johnson and Obama who thought they could subdue Putin . Where are they now and where is Putin.
As we speak Croatia President and Hungary PM both Eu and NATO members are pinpointing the West is doing a mistake.

Your knowledge on Geopolitics is wanting stick to Sakaja and Kalenjin politics. History has proven its next to impossible to Isolate Russia such a large country with vast resources.

You need to study why China is Pro Russia , what is happening in Taiwan and the economic war waged on them by U.S.  Find out why India is getting cheap oil from Russia.
Where as Europeans can take the effects of economic sactions Asian ,African and South America  countries cant . Thats where Russias new money is if the trade trend continues in the next 10 years EU and US will lose the soft power over Asia, Africa and South America . Thats how regimes diminish go bsvk to your history.

Dont think Western Countries changing leaders is news.
It's frankly waste of time and energy.
Those are modern democracies that can change 10 leaders in a month and still every new leader will fight Russia.
Even the most far right of American or UK or Germany - knows Putin is tinpot dictator who is finally on the rope.
And they will fight him because finally Russia has been exposed to be weak.

The basic - almost all western democracies find Russia and Putin an african like dictatorship that is disgusting.
Because it was powerful - Trump and type thought they would accommodate RUssia.
But now it's been exposed as very weak by Ukraine. Now every western leader want a piece of Putin.

Once western countries are this united -   Russia will be isolated.
China and India are next to be asked tough question.
And they will crumble.

Russia big mistake remaining running away from KIEV. It huge blunder.

Well U.S.  secretary of Defence has already said how impressive Russian weapons are , Russia already deployed Hypersonic weapons in Ukrainian conflict . No country has any defensive weapons against Hypersonic weapons .Russia is located in a strategic place few kilometers to Europe and few Kilometers to America.
Some opine upon use of Nuclear weapon NATO should escalate the situation and join the fray the more realistic and sober ones opine to prevent a full blown Nuclear war NATO should negotiate with Russia.
I tell you for free it will be the end of Convetional War . Full stop.

Continue dreaming Russian Military will overthrow Putin . Putin is the more moderate politician they have the Military leaders are hardliners most of them are even in Ukraine fighting. I repeat again most Western leaders will be out of power before Putin , Happened with U.K PM , Italy PM Sweden PM. by 2024 2/3rds of the leaders will be civilians ans Putin will still be the Russian leaders.

U.S. is already on Chinas case why would China want to join their sanction regime when they are next . India has immensly gained with Cheap Russian oil why would they want to join the fray.
Yours is just wishful thinking. E.U. itself cannot even agree 100% on Russian sanctions and here you cheating yourself and us.

You were threatening Nuclear some months ago - what happened.
In fact the way Russia is behaving - their nuclear might be all rusted and ineffective.
If they dare throw one - USA and it allies will enter the fray - and destroy Russia in a week.

Before we get there - Russia military will simply overthrow Putin. He has failed.

For now - all US & EU need to finish Russia - is demand China and India stop trading with Russia - or they will be blocked from trading with US and EU. They have to choose Russia or US/EU - and you know they will drop Russia.

Russia will be left isolated and will have to negotiate their way back to Russia - then pay a huge bill to repair Ukraine.

Failure is an orphan and Russia is about to find out how isolated it can become.

And when he talked of Armegedon his operatives in state department told him not talk that language .
It would be dumb to escalate the war to an Armagedon as it will be the end of everyone .
As we speak Its Russia in Ukraine and they have their demands , Zelenski  has decided to negotiate in Feb because just like you guys he thinks he will advance where as the contrary will happen. They have been given all weapons from Western Countries stockpile until it depleted now but still no tangible results . Do you know what these means ? But hey continue consuming western media news , good for you. One small mistake and a real Armagedon will happen.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Dont think Western Countries changing leaders is news.
It's frankly waste of time and energy.
Those are modern democracies that can change 10 leaders in a month and still every new leader will fight Russia.
Even the most far right of American or UK or Germany - knows Putin is tinpot dictator who is finally on the rope.
And they will fight him because finally Russia has been exposed to be weak.

The basic - almost all western democracies find Russia and Putin an african like dictatorship that is disgusting.
Because it was powerful - Trump and type thought they would accommodate RUssia.
But now it's been exposed as very weak by Ukraine. Now every western leader want a piece of Putin.

Once western countries are this united -   Russia will be isolated.
China and India are next to be asked tough question.
And they will crumble.

Russia big mistake remaining running away from KIEV. It huge blunder.

Well U.S.  secretary of Defence has already said how impressive Russian weapons are , Russia already deployed Hypersonic weapons in Ukrainian conflict . No country has any defensive weapons against Hypersonic weapons .Russia is located in a strategic place few kilometers to Europe and few Kilometers to America.
Some opine upon use of Nuclear weapon NATO should escalate the situation and join the fray the more realistic and sober ones opine to prevent a full blown Nuclear war NATO should negotiate with Russia.
I tell you for free it will be the end of Convetional War . Full stop.

Continue dreaming Russian Military will overthrow Putin . Putin is the more moderate politician they have the Military leaders are hardliners most of them are even in Ukraine fighting. I repeat again most Western leaders will be out of power before Putin , Happened with U.K PM , Italy PM Sweden PM. by 2024 2/3rds of the leaders will be civilians ans Putin will still be the Russian leaders.

U.S. is already on Chinas case why would China want to join their sanction regime when they are next . India has immensly gained with Cheap Russian oil why would they want to join the fray.
Yours is just wishful thinking. E.U. itself cannot even agree 100% on Russian sanctions and here you cheating yourself and us.

You were threatening Nuclear some months ago - what happened.
In fact the way Russia is behaving - their nuclear might be all rusted and ineffective.
If they dare throw one - USA and it allies will enter the fray - and destroy Russia in a week.

Before we get there - Russia military will simply overthrow Putin. He has failed.

For now - all US & EU need to finish Russia - is demand China and India stop trading with Russia - or they will be blocked from trading with US and EU. They have to choose Russia or US/EU - and you know they will drop Russia.

Russia will be left isolated and will have to negotiate their way back to Russia - then pay a huge bill to repair Ukraine.

Failure is an orphan and Russia is about to find out how isolated it can become.

And when he talked of Armegedon his operatives in state department told him not talk that language .
It would be dumb to escalate the war to an Armagedon as it will be the end of everyone .
As we speak Its Russia in Ukraine and they have their demands , Zelenski  has decided to negotiate in Feb because just like you guys he thinks he will advance where as the contrary will happen. They have been given all weapons from Western Countries stockpile until it depleted now but still no tangible results . Do you know what these means ? But hey continue consuming western media news , good for you. One small mistake and a real Armagedon will happen.

And Ukraine is happy(and has no choice) but to be their tool.  The Western initial belief of how this war would turn out was based partly on the notion that it would go the way of other conflicts in Russia's orbit like Georgia; where the enemy was basically a mirror image of the Russian military but scaled down.  But it turns out Ukraine's military had fundamentally changed from its previous engagements with NATO.

[Nowayhaha]

Western media  propaganda.  When I say Putin is a moderate I mean it , Medvedev was the President during Georgian crisis. Unlike Putin Medvedev has Precision.
Putin biggest mistake was not taking advantage of Yankuvich request in 2014 for military assistance to stop Maidan Nonsense .
It took the whole of  NATO in 2022 to fight Russia thus exposing the under belly of NATO.

nd Ukraine is happy(and has no choice) but to be their tool.  The Western initial belief of how this war would turn out was based partly on the notion that it would go the way of other conflicts in Russia's orbit like Georgia; where the enemy was basically a mirror image of the Russian military but scaled down.  But it turns out Ukraine's military had fundamentally changed from its previous engagements with NATO

[RV Pundit]

Dont think Western Countries changing leaders is news.
It's frankly waste of time and energy.
Those are modern democracies that can change 10 leaders in a month and still every new leader will fight Russia.
Even the most far right of American or UK or Germany - knows Putin is tinpot dictator who is finally on the rope.
And they will fight him because finally Russia has been exposed to be weak.

The basic - almost all western democracies find Russia and Putin an african like dictatorship that is disgusting.
Because it was powerful - Trump and type thought they would accommodate RUssia.
But now it's been exposed as very weak by Ukraine. Now every western leader want a piece of Putin.

Once western countries are this united -   Russia will be isolated.
China and India are next to be asked tough question.
And they will crumble.

Russia big mistake remaining running away from KIEV. It huge blunder.

Well U.S.  secretary of Defence has already said how impressive Russian weapons are , Russia already deployed Hypersonic weapons in Ukrainian conflict . No country has any defensive weapons against Hypersonic weapons .Russia is located in a strategic place few kilometers to Europe and few Kilometers to America.
Some opine upon use of Nuclear weapon NATO should escalate the situation and join the fray the more realistic and sober ones opine to prevent a full blown Nuclear war NATO should negotiate with Russia.
I tell you for free it will be the end of Convetional War . Full stop.

Continue dreaming Russian Military will overthrow Putin . Putin is the more moderate politician they have the Military leaders are hardliners most of them are even in Ukraine fighting. I repeat again most Western leaders will be out of power before Putin , Happened with U.K PM , Italy PM Sweden PM. by 2024 2/3rds of the leaders will be civilians ans Putin will still be the Russian leaders.

U.S. is already on Chinas case why would China want to join their sanction regime when they are next . India has immensly gained with Cheap Russian oil why would they want to join the fray.
Yours is just wishful thinking. E.U. itself cannot even agree 100% on Russian sanctions and here you cheating yourself and us.

You were threatening Nuclear some months ago - what happened.
In fact the way Russia is behaving - their nuclear might be all rusted and ineffective.
If they dare throw one - USA and it allies will enter the fray - and destroy Russia in a week.

Before we get there - Russia military will simply overthrow Putin. He has failed.

For now - all US & EU need to finish Russia - is demand China and India stop trading with Russia - or they will be blocked from trading with US and EU. They have to choose Russia or US/EU - and you know they will drop Russia.

Russia will be left isolated and will have to negotiate their way back to Russia - then pay a huge bill to repair Ukraine.

Failure is an orphan and Russia is about to find out how isolated it can become.

And when he talked of Armegedon his operatives in state department told him not talk that language .
It would be dumb to escalate the war to an Armagedon as it will be the end of everyone .
As we speak Its Russia in Ukraine and they have their demands , Zelenski  has decided to negotiate in Feb because just like you guys he thinks he will advance where as the contrary will happen. They have been given all weapons from Western Countries stockpile until it depleted now but still no tangible results . Do you know what these means ? But hey continue consuming western media news , good for you. One small mistake and a real Armagedon will happen.

And Ukraine is happy(and has no choice) but to be their tool.  The Western initial belief of how this war would turn out was based partly on the notion that it would go the way of other conflicts in Russia's orbit like Georgia; where the enemy was basically a mirror image of the Russian military but scaled down.  But it turns out Ukraine's military had fundamentally changed from its previous engagements with NATO.

Yes Ukrainian post 2014 changed... Russia expected they would roll over drunk like kite's if not hangoved..take Kiev.Ukraine has shown incredible courage and NATO led by USA are more than happy.They are not afraid of Russia..why would anyone else be.

[RV Pundit]

Ukraine is best investment for NATO.. because for little money and modest weapons..they are giving pain Putin and Russia forces...every win.. embolden them.This is another afgan disaster for Russia.

[audacityofhope]

Ukraine is best investment for NATO.. because for little money and modest weapons..they are giving pain Putin and Russia forces...every win.. embolden them.This is another afgan disaster for Russia.

You left out probably an equal important if not the most important point. Western nations like these adventures. They get to TEST their weapons on a real battlefield. In this case they couldn't have been luckier. They are testing them on the supposedly 2nd most strongest foe - Russia. The result couldn't have emboldened them more! China must be quaking in their boots seeing that weapons they have could crumble the same way the Russian arsenal has crumbled should the chinese ever find themselves at war with USA, NATO or any such combination. They might as well stop that noise about Taiwan - ni kelele za chura!.

Feel bad for the half Russian guy on this forum. 

[Nowayhaha]

Most of those weapons if not all have fallen under Russian hands , I can confidently tell you Russia is already studying them and will better the weapons both defensively and offensively . Thats how hitler lost the war .
A good example is when Kalibir was built to counter Tomahawk .
One thing with Wars they always help to advance equipments and weapons . Hitler had the best aircrafts and tanks at beginning of World War 2 by the end of World war 2 Russia had the best aircrafts and tanks that it helped them become a super power . 

Ukraine is best investment for NATO.. because for little money and modest weapons..they are giving pain Putin and Russia forces...every win.. embolden them.This is another afgan disaster for Russia.

You left out probably an equal important if not the most important point. Western nations like these adventures. They get to TEST their weapons on a real battlefield. In this case they couldn't have been luckier. They are testing them on the supposedly 2nd most strongest foe - Russia. The result couldn't have emboldened them more! China must be quaking in their boots seeing that weapons they have could crumble the same way the Russian arsenal has crumbled should the chinese ever find themselves at war with USA, NATO or any such combination. They might as well stop that noise about Taiwan - ni kelele za chura!.

Feel bad for the half Russian guy on this forum. 

[mankind]

https://thedreizinreport.com/

  Nowayhaha you can't convince folks who have been brainwashed by western media to see reality. Let those who can read follow that link and tell us how Ukraine is winning.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Ukraine is best investment for NATO.. because for little money and modest weapons..they are giving pain Putin and Russia forces...every win.. embolden them.This is another afgan disaster for Russia.

Yep.  The US military industrial complex has been relatively idle after pulling out the Middle East theaters.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Ukraine is best investment for NATO.. because for little money and modest weapons..they are giving pain Putin and Russia forces...every win.. embolden them.This is another afgan disaster for Russia.

You left out probably an equal important if not the most important point. Western nations like these adventures. They get to TEST their weapons on a real battlefield. In this case they couldn't have been luckier. They are testing them on the supposedly 2nd most strongest foe - Russia. The result couldn't have emboldened them more! China must be quaking in their boots seeing that weapons they have could crumble the same way the Russian arsenal has crumbled should the chinese ever find themselves at war with USA, NATO or any such combination. They might as well stop that noise about Taiwan - ni kelele za chura!.

Feel bad for the half Russian guy on this forum. 

Ukraine has been using dialed back hand-me-downs to great effect.