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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2022, 01:17:54 AM »
running theme - everyone is to blame except Raila; crazy and illuminating.

Raila has failed because slowly he has disconnected himself from reality.

In 2002 I remember at kenya club - he would arrive with huge group trying to catch his attention - just to have tea.

Layers and layers have made him lose control of  his life and destiny

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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2022, 09:36:55 AM »

Good to see them admitting atleast a lesson they can learn from.
As far as I am concerned Raila really tried with Govt Machinery and Rigging as he did in 2007 .
Ruto like Kibaki in 2007 was saved by the people and by Gods grace.


https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/ole-kanchory-junet-joe-mucheru-and-makau-mutua-made-raila-lose-august-polls-4052778

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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2022, 09:44:14 AM »
There you go twisting history.2007 Raila was in opposition and had gov machinery to rig?.He got rigged out by ECK.

This time round Uhuru failed because Chebukati systems worked and he refused shenanigans including by military and the security council.This last election Chebukati,US,Uk and Ruto beat Uhuru.Chebukati deserve highest honour

If Chebukati had been become Kivuitu - we would be in a civil war now. There was no way Ruto would accept to be rigged out.

Chebukati with help of US and UK ambassadors - those two women - stood firm in those critical days when Azimio were trying all shenagians to overturn the people will like Kibaki did in 2007.

Kibaki riggers were alive in 2007 & in Azimio - Kimemia, Kinuthia mbuguas - but they failed in 2022 because the lesson of their rigging had been learnt - one final declaration of polls at polling station makes rigging incredibly hard. The layers of control and declaration - and finally they inability to replace Chebukati & 2 other commissioners - otherwise they had 4 pliant commissioners who already were willing to alter the results like in 2007 - and plunge the country into chaos

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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2022, 10:25:44 AM »

I said , Raila rigged 2022 same as 2007 in addition to that he had Government Machinery.
Ruto like Kibaki in 2007 was saved by people and Gods grace.
If Ruto didnt have Mt Kenya in 2022 he would be in opposition same as Kibaki in 2007.
For once ODMers have started agreeing they have been losing fair and square since 2007. You think Ruto was stupid to jump ship from ODM and join hands with Mt Kenya as from 2008?
One day Raila will lay it bare that he lost 2007 even after Massive rigging in his strongholds.
Ruto has already admitted they as ODM lost in 2007 .

There you go twisting history.2007 Raila was in opposition and had gov machinery to rig?.He got rigged out by ECK.

This time round Uhuru failed because Chebukati systems worked and he refused shenanigans including by military and the security council.This last election Chebukati,US,Uk and Ruto beat Uhuru.Chebukati deserve highest honour

If Chebukati had been become Kivuitu - we would be in a civil war now. There was no way Ruto would accept to be rigged out.

Chebukati with help of US and UK ambassadors - those two women - stood firm in those critical days when Azimio were trying all shenagians to overturn the people will like Kibaki did in 2007.

Kibaki riggers were alive in 2007 & in Azimio - Kimemia, Kinuthia mbuguas - but they failed in 2022 because the lesson of their rigging had been learnt - one final declaration of polls at polling station makes rigging incredibly hard. The layers of control and declaration - and finally they inability to replace Chebukati & 2 other commissioners - otherwise they had 4 pliant commissioners who already were willing to alter the results like in 2007 - and plunge the country into chaos

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Re: Azimio admit to many crimes in their postmorteum
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2022, 10:38:17 AM »
More nonsense including peddling  another lie that only way to state house is through Mt kenya.
Mt kenya votes are now 25% - are the 75% of kenyans useless?
You're sick.
Moi won with zero votes in Mt kenya.
Kibaki rigged in 2007...
He didnt rig in 2002.


I said , Raila rigged 2022 same as 2007 in addition to that he had Government Machinery.
Ruto like Kibaki in 2007 was saved by people and Gods grace.
If Ruto didnt have Mt Kenya in 2022 he would be in opposition same as Kibaki in 2007.
For once ODMers have started agreeing they have been losing fair and square since 2007. You think Ruto was stupid to jump ship from ODM and join hands with Mt Kenya as from 2008?
One day Raila will lay it bare that he lost 2007 even after Massive rigging in his strongholds.
Ruto has already admitted they as ODM lost in 2007 .

There you go twisting history.2007 Raila was in opposition and had gov machinery to rig?.He got rigged out by ECK.

This time round Uhuru failed because Chebukati systems worked and he refused shenanigans including by military and the security council.This last election Chebukati,US,Uk and Ruto beat Uhuru.Chebukati deserve highest honour

If Chebukati had been become Kivuitu - we would be in a civil war now. There was no way Ruto would accept to be rigged out.

Chebukati with help of US and UK ambassadors - those two women - stood firm in those critical days when Azimio were trying all shenagians to overturn the people will like Kibaki did in 2007.

Kibaki riggers were alive in 2007 & in Azimio - Kimemia, Kinuthia mbuguas - but they failed in 2022 because the lesson of their rigging had been learnt - one final declaration of polls at polling station makes rigging incredibly hard. The layers of control and declaration - and finally they inability to replace Chebukati & 2 other commissioners - otherwise they had 4 pliant commissioners who already were willing to alter the results like in 2007 - and plunge the country into chaos

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Re: Azimio admit to many crimes in their postmorteum
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2022, 10:44:07 AM »

Some truths
Lost election because of the fumble with Wiper
Elections were lost once the BBI went through rhe Window
Another major reason the election was lost is because of rhe handshake.
Achana na Panganga ya Pundit.



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Re: Azimio admit to many crimes in their postmorteum
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2022, 10:45:33 AM »
Too many reasons - they lost because Raila is just a loser.
The man cannot score.
That is why Ruto left him immediately in 2008 - he had seen enough of the man up close and personal.
In 2007 - he couldnt score - despite all the support he had. He was celebrating while being rigged out at KICC.
In 2013 - he run as prime minister with half cabinet - against two Mps facing ICC - and he lost. Oswago from Bondo was IEBC CEO.
In 2022 - he run with everything one can wish for - and he lost.

Raila is his biggest enemy. These guys dont want to say the truth.

Raila major weakness - he is a joker, doesnt follow up on anything, cannot manage anything, cannot run anything.

Raila major strength - he is brave and reckless - can say anything - has Luos on his beck and call - and can incite people.

Unfortunately to win PORK - he needs a bit more than that - he needed to be in charge of his campaign.

Some truths
Lost election because of the fumble with Wiper
Elections were lost once the BBI went through rhe Window
Another major reason the election was lost is because of rhe handshake.
Achana na Panganga ya Pundit.



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Re: Azimio admit to many crimes in their postmorteum
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2022, 10:51:01 AM »

You claim Mt Kenya votes are 25% even with that lie remove them feom Rutos 50% how would Ruto have won the election without Mt Kenya .
Moi won because he divided Mt Kenya and also the opposition.
Raila united Mt Kenya in 2005 hence they are a force to reckon.
Now consider rhe new constitution which stipulates thw threshold of winning the election being 50%+1. You will need Mt Kenya to win the elections Raila realised this very late hence he even picked Martha Karua as his DP.
But you live in denial like you have always been denying Raila lost 2007, 2013,2017 and now 2022.

More nonsense including peddling  another lie that only way to state house is through Mt kenya.
Mt kenya votes are now 25% - are the 75% of kenyans useless?
You're sick.
Moi won with zero votes in Mt kenya.
Kibaki rigged in 2007...
He didnt rig in 2002.


I said , Raila rigged 2022 same as 2007 in addition to that he had Government Machinery.
Ruto like Kibaki in 2007 was saved by people and Gods grace.
If Ruto didnt have Mt Kenya in 2022 he would be in opposition same as Kibaki in 2007.
For once ODMers have started agreeing they have been losing fair and square since 2007. You think Ruto was stupid to jump ship from ODM and join hands with Mt Kenya as from 2008?
One day Raila will lay it bare that he lost 2007 even after Massive rigging in his strongholds.
Ruto has already admitted they as ODM lost in 2007 .

There you go twisting history.2007 Raila was in opposition and had gov machinery to rig?.He got rigged out by ECK.

This time round Uhuru failed because Chebukati systems worked and he refused shenanigans including by military and the security council.This last election Chebukati,US,Uk and Ruto beat Uhuru.Chebukati deserve highest honour

If Chebukati had been become Kivuitu - we would be in a civil war now. There was no way Ruto would accept to be rigged out.

Chebukati with help of US and UK ambassadors - those two women - stood firm in those critical days when Azimio were trying all shenagians to overturn the people will like Kibaki did in 2007.

Kibaki riggers were alive in 2007 & in Azimio - Kimemia, Kinuthia mbuguas - but they failed in 2022 because the lesson of their rigging had been learnt - one final declaration of polls at polling station makes rigging incredibly hard. The layers of control and declaration - and finally they inability to replace Chebukati & 2 other commissioners - otherwise they had 4 pliant commissioners who already were willing to alter the results like in 2007 - and plunge the country into chaos

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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2022, 10:53:19 AM »
Nonsense.
You can win by 75% while scoring 0% in Mt kenya
There are many configuration to a win.
Raila has come very close - without Mt kenya.
Moi won without Mt kenya.
There are many tribal permutation and combinations in kenya small tribes to win.
Kikuyus are now maybe 16% of the population.
Kenya is small tribe country - and you can win in many many ways - as long as you get to 50%.
GEMA as whole is equal to Luhya+Kambas.


You claim Mt Kenya votes are 25% even with that lie remove them feom Rutos 50% how would Ruto have won the election without Mt Kenya .
Moi won because he divided Mt Kenya and also the opposition.
Raila united Mt Kenya in 2005 hence they are a force to reckon.
Now consider rhe new constitution which stipulates thw threshold of winning the election being 50%+1. You will need Mt Kenya to win the elections Raila realised this very late hence he even picked Martha Karua as his DP.
But you live in denial like you have always been denying Raila lost 2007, 2013,2017 and now 2022.

More nonsense including peddling  another lie that only way to state house is through Mt kenya.
Mt kenya votes are now 25% - are the 75% of kenyans useless?
You're sick.
Moi won with zero votes in Mt kenya.
Kibaki rigged in 2007...
He didnt rig in 2002.


I said , Raila rigged 2022 same as 2007 in addition to that he had Government Machinery.
Ruto like Kibaki in 2007 was saved by people and Gods grace.
If Ruto didnt have Mt Kenya in 2022 he would be in opposition same as Kibaki in 2007.
For once ODMers have started agreeing they have been losing fair and square since 2007. You think Ruto was stupid to jump ship from ODM and join hands with Mt Kenya as from 2008?
One day Raila will lay it bare that he lost 2007 even after Massive rigging in his strongholds.
Ruto has already admitted they as ODM lost in 2007 .

There you go twisting history.2007 Raila was in opposition and had gov machinery to rig?.He got rigged out by ECK.

This time round Uhuru failed because Chebukati systems worked and he refused shenanigans including by military and the security council.This last election Chebukati,US,Uk and Ruto beat Uhuru.Chebukati deserve highest honour

If Chebukati had been become Kivuitu - we would be in a civil war now. There was no way Ruto would accept to be rigged out.

Chebukati with help of US and UK ambassadors - those two women - stood firm in those critical days when Azimio were trying all shenagians to overturn the people will like Kibaki did in 2007.

Kibaki riggers were alive in 2007 & in Azimio - Kimemia, Kinuthia mbuguas - but they failed in 2022 because the lesson of their rigging had been learnt - one final declaration of polls at polling station makes rigging incredibly hard. The layers of control and declaration - and finally they inability to replace Chebukati & 2 other commissioners - otherwise they had 4 pliant commissioners who already were willing to alter the results like in 2007 - and plunge the country into chaos

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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2022, 10:56:56 AM »

Okay tell me why Raila didnt become President in 2013,2017 why he opted for Martha Karua in 2027. I will give you the benefit of doubt.

Nonsense.
You can win by 75% while scoring 0% in Mt kenya
There are many configuration to a win.
Raila has come very close - without Mt kenya.
Moi won without Mt kenya.
There are many tribal permutation and combinations in kenya small tribes to win.
Kikuyus are now maybe 16% of the population.
Kenya is small tribe country - and you can win in many many ways - as long as you get to 50%.
GEMA as whole is equal to Luhya+Kambas.


You claim Mt Kenya votes are 25% even with that lie remove them feom Rutos 50% how would Ruto have won the election without Mt Kenya .
Moi won because he divided Mt Kenya and also the opposition.
Raila united Mt Kenya in 2005 hence they are a force to reckon.
Now consider rhe new constitution which stipulates thw threshold of winning the election being 50%+1. You will need Mt Kenya to win the elections Raila realised this very late hence he even picked Martha Karua as his DP.
But you live in denial like you have always been denying Raila lost 2007, 2013,2017 and now 2022.

More nonsense including peddling  another lie that only way to state house is through Mt kenya.
Mt kenya votes are now 25% - are the 75% of kenyans useless?
You're sick.
Moi won with zero votes in Mt kenya.
Kibaki rigged in 2007...
He didnt rig in 2002.


I said , Raila rigged 2022 same as 2007 in addition to that he had Government Machinery.
Ruto like Kibaki in 2007 was saved by people and Gods grace.
If Ruto didnt have Mt Kenya in 2022 he would be in opposition same as Kibaki in 2007.
For once ODMers have started agreeing they have been losing fair and square since 2007. You think Ruto was stupid to jump ship from ODM and join hands with Mt Kenya as from 2008?
One day Raila will lay it bare that he lost 2007 even after Massive rigging in his strongholds.
Ruto has already admitted they as ODM lost in 2007 .

There you go twisting history.2007 Raila was in opposition and had gov machinery to rig?.He got rigged out by ECK.

This time round Uhuru failed because Chebukati systems worked and he refused shenanigans including by military and the security council.This last election Chebukati,US,Uk and Ruto beat Uhuru.Chebukati deserve highest honour

If Chebukati had been become Kivuitu - we would be in a civil war now. There was no way Ruto would accept to be rigged out.

Chebukati with help of US and UK ambassadors - those two women - stood firm in those critical days when Azimio were trying all shenagians to overturn the people will like Kibaki did in 2007.

Kibaki riggers were alive in 2007 & in Azimio - Kimemia, Kinuthia mbuguas - but they failed in 2022 because the lesson of their rigging had been learnt - one final declaration of polls at polling station makes rigging incredibly hard. The layers of control and declaration - and finally they inability to replace Chebukati & 2 other commissioners - otherwise they had 4 pliant commissioners who already were willing to alter the results like in 2007 - and plunge the country into chaos

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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2022, 11:12:11 AM »
Every election has it dynamics.
Moi won in 1992 by splitting opposition.
Moi won in 1997 despite kibaki uniting GEMA by gaining ground Luhyaland & Ukambani - promising kaloi/madvd/saitoti/ngala support after he retired.
Moi changed equation in 2002 by endorsing Uhuru. Raila knew only another kikuyu would beat Moi and said Kibaki tosha.
GEMA lost 2005 referendum by huge margin 58 - v- 42 percent;
GEMA lost 2007 by small margin and rigged. Raila and ODM lost by not keeping Kaloi and allowing riggable margin
Ruto knew Raila was hopeless buffon and went back to Uhuru - and won 2013 together.
Raila really had no hope in 2017 - and was just running for the show.
Uhuru took raila onboard to slice Ruto - and later gave birth to handshake.
Raila knew from 2013 - that he need to split gema and kalenjin alliance.
Martha and uhuru were the people to split GEMA.

Conclusion - there are many ways to win against GEMA - see 1992, 1997, 2005.

Let says 2007 is in dispute. 2022 was GEMA divided.

In 2013/2017 - Raila had zero gema and came close - he only needed 5% to win - which he could have gotten if he worked harder like Ruto did in 2022

Okay tell me why Raila didnt become President in 2013,2017 why he opted for Martha Karua in 2027. I will give you the benefit of doubt.

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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2022, 11:36:43 AM »

In 1992 Mt Kenya split votes between Maitba and Kibaki if unofied could have defeated Moi. Fact
In 1997 Matiba decided to Boycott the elections . Kibaki couldnt unify Mt Kenya , Kiambu ,Muranga , Nyandarua hated Kibaki majority of Mps from these areas were elected in other parties and not DP. Fact.
In both occasions Moi Rigged. You have testified how Kones rigged for Moi and Kanu in Rift Valley.
Moi having learnt from 92 and 97 elections decided to endorse and rally a Mt Kenyan. Once again Mt Kenya was split.
From 2003 to 2005 Raila ran a campaign against Mt Kenya come referendum ( which is not an election) Mt Kenya became united.
In 2007 even with Raila rigging as has been the case in 2022 he still lost because of Mt Kenya unity.
Ruto who was one of the people who convinced Moi to support Mt Kenya in 2002 decided to jump ship from 2008 and supported Mt Kenya im 2013 with a visionary plan that he would need their support come 2022.
The example you are relying om a pre 2010 Katiba nevertheless they go to show if you want to win an election either have GEMA on your side or split them.
Now you with your Moism dream of isolating Mt Kenya , I can only wish you luck. Luckily you domt share same vision with Ruto .
Ruto has supported Mt Kenya in 2002,2013,2017 ,2022 and indeed 2027. I look at his Cabinet and appointees and See more Mt Kenya rhan during Kibaki and Uhurus era.

Every election has it dynamics.
Moi won in 1992 by splitting opposition.
Moi won in 1997 despite kibaki uniting GEMA by gaining ground Luhyaland & Ukambani - promising kaloi/madvd/saitoti/ngala support after he retired.
Moi changed equation in 2002 by endorsing Uhuru. Raila knew only another kikuyu would beat Moi and said Kibaki tosha.
GEMA lost 2005 referendum by huge margin 58 - v- 42 percent;
GEMA lost 2007 by small margin and rigged. Raila and ODM lost by not keeping Kaloi and allowing riggable margin
Ruto knew Raila was hopeless buffon and went back to Uhuru - and won 2013 together.
Raila really had no hope in 2017 - and was just running for the show.
Uhuru took raila onboard to slice Ruto - and later gave birth to handshake.
Raila knew from 2013 - that he need to split gema and kalenjin alliance.
Martha and uhuru were the people to split GEMA.

Conclusion - there are many ways to win against GEMA - see 1992, 1997, 2005.

Let says 2007 is in dispute. 2022 was GEMA divided.

In 2013/2017 - Raila had zero gema and came close - he only needed 5% to win - which he could have gotten if he worked harder like Ruto did in 2022

Okay tell me why Raila didnt become President in 2013,2017 why he opted for Martha Karua in 2027. I will give you the benefit of doubt.

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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2022, 11:54:25 AM »
25% of pop cannot hold country ransom like you wish.
Ruto is happy with Mt kenya and Mt kenya are happy with Ruto.
I am also happy - my wife is happy - and my half-gema kids happy.
Shida iko wapi.

You want us to walk on top of Mt kenya eggs? to worship you? because you hold the keys to statehouse.

Peleka ujinga uko Urusi :)

Ruto is free to walk out of his political marriage like I am also free to walk out of my marriage if it doesnt work out.

But so far everyone is happy...no one is held by force...75% out there...millions of women and men out there.


In 1992 Mt Kenya split votes between Maitba and Kibaki if unofied could have defeated Moi. Fact
In 1997 Matiba decided to Boycott the elections . Kibaki couldnt unify Mt Kenya , Kiambu ,Muranga , Nyandarua hated Kibaki majority of Mps from these areas were elected in other parties and not DP. Fact.
In both occasions Moi Rigged. You have testified how Kones rigged for Moi and Kanu in Rift Valley.
Moi having learnt from 92 and 97 elections decided to endorse and rally a Mt Kenyan. Once again Mt Kenya was split.
From 2003 to 2005 Raila ran a campaign against Mt Kenya come referendum ( which is not an election) Mt Kenya became united.
In 2007 even with Raila rigging as has been the case in 2022 he still lost because of Mt Kenya unity.
Ruto who was one of the people who convinced Moi to support Mt Kenya in 2002 decided to jump ship from 2008 and supported Mt Kenya im 2013 with a visionary plan that he would need their support come 2022.
The example you are relying om a pre 2010 Katiba nevertheless they go to show if you want to win an election either have GEMA on your side or split them.
Now you with your Moism dream of isolating Mt Kenya , I can only wish you luck. Luckily you domt share same vision with Ruto .
Ruto has supported Mt Kenya in 2002,2013,2017 ,2022 and indeed 2027. I look at his Cabinet and appointees and See more Mt Kenya rhan during Kibaki and Uhurus era.

Every election has it dynamics.
Moi won in 1992 by splitting opposition.
Moi won in 1997 despite kibaki uniting GEMA by gaining ground Luhyaland & Ukambani - promising kaloi/madvd/saitoti/ngala support after he retired.
Moi changed equation in 2002 by endorsing Uhuru. Raila knew only another kikuyu would beat Moi and said Kibaki tosha.
GEMA lost 2005 referendum by huge margin 58 - v- 42 percent;
GEMA lost 2007 by small margin and rigged. Raila and ODM lost by not keeping Kaloi and allowing riggable margin
Ruto knew Raila was hopeless buffon and went back to Uhuru - and won 2013 together.
Raila really had no hope in 2017 - and was just running for the show.
Uhuru took raila onboard to slice Ruto - and later gave birth to handshake.
Raila knew from 2013 - that he need to split gema and kalenjin alliance.
Martha and uhuru were the people to split GEMA.

Conclusion - there are many ways to win against GEMA - see 1992, 1997, 2005.

Let says 2007 is in dispute. 2022 was GEMA divided.

In 2013/2017 - Raila had zero gema and came close - he only needed 5% to win - which he could have gotten if he worked harder like Ruto did in 2022

Okay tell me why Raila didnt become President in 2013,2017 why he opted for Martha Karua in 2027. I will give you the benefit of doubt.

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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2022, 12:03:00 PM »
RV im just laying it bare . You as usual try to Run away from facts. Politics is cruel thats the nature of it .
If we go with your argument of holding country ransom then what percentage voted for Ruto vis a vis those who voted against him , those who decided not to go to the polling stations and those who even decided not to even register. Who is now holding the country ransom ?

Personally I was one of the happiest people when Mt Kenya decided to vote for Ruto. The people who were against Mt Kenya voting for Ruto are ODMers you sweat breath bleed like them.
Ask them their problem with Mt Kenya their answer is like yours they claim Mt Kenya want to be worshiped.


25% of pop cannot hold country ransom like you wish.
Ruto is happy with Mt kenya and Mt kenya are happy with Ruto.
I am also happy - my wife is happy - and my half-gema kids happy.
Shida iko wapi.

You want us to walk on top of Mt kenya eggs? to worship you? because you hold the keys to statehouse.
Peleka ujinga uko Urusi :)

Ruto is free to walk out of his political marriage like I am also free to walk out of my marriage if it doesnt work out.

But so far everyone is happy.


In 1992 Mt Kenya split votes between Maitba and Kibaki if unofied could have defeated Moi. Fact
In 1997 Matiba decided to Boycott the elections . Kibaki couldnt unify Mt Kenya , Kiambu ,Muranga , Nyandarua hated Kibaki majority of Mps from these areas were elected in other parties and not DP. Fact.
In both occasions Moi Rigged. You have testified how Kones rigged for Moi and Kanu in Rift Valley.
Moi having learnt from 92 and 97 elections decided to endorse and rally a Mt Kenyan. Once again Mt Kenya was split.
From 2003 to 2005 Raila ran a campaign against Mt Kenya come referendum ( which is not an election) Mt Kenya became united.
In 2007 even with Raila rigging as has been the case in 2022 he still lost because of Mt Kenya unity.
Ruto who was one of the people who convinced Moi to support Mt Kenya in 2002 decided to jump ship from 2008 and supported Mt Kenya im 2013 with a visionary plan that he would need their support come 2022.
The example you are relying om a pre 2010 Katiba nevertheless they go to show if you want to win an election either have GEMA on your side or split them.
Now you with your Moism dream of isolating Mt Kenya , I can only wish you luck. Luckily you domt share same vision with Ruto .
Ruto has supported Mt Kenya in 2002,2013,2017 ,2022 and indeed 2027. I look at his Cabinet and appointees and See more Mt Kenya rhan during Kibaki and Uhurus era.

Every election has it dynamics.
Moi won in 1992 by splitting opposition.
Moi won in 1997 despite kibaki uniting GEMA by gaining ground Luhyaland & Ukambani - promising kaloi/madvd/saitoti/ngala support after he retired.
Moi changed equation in 2002 by endorsing Uhuru. Raila knew only another kikuyu would beat Moi and said Kibaki tosha.
GEMA lost 2005 referendum by huge margin 58 - v- 42 percent;
GEMA lost 2007 by small margin and rigged. Raila and ODM lost by not keeping Kaloi and allowing riggable margin
Ruto knew Raila was hopeless buffon and went back to Uhuru - and won 2013 together.
Raila really had no hope in 2017 - and was just running for the show.
Uhuru took raila onboard to slice Ruto - and later gave birth to handshake.
Raila knew from 2013 - that he need to split gema and kalenjin alliance.
Martha and uhuru were the people to split GEMA.

Conclusion - there are many ways to win against GEMA - see 1992, 1997, 2005.

Let says 2007 is in dispute. 2022 was GEMA divided.

In 2013/2017 - Raila had zero gema and came close - he only needed 5% to win - which he could have gotten if he worked harder like Ruto did in 2022

Okay tell me why Raila didnt become President in 2013,2017 why he opted for Martha Karua in 2027. I will give you the benefit of doubt.

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Re: Azimio admit to many crimes in their postmorteum
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2022, 12:05:23 PM »
Ruto victory is attributed to many people. Bukusu vote was critical plus 1% in this election for example. Raila has gotten many million votes but they all amount to nothing. GEMA struggled against Moi.

In short Ruto victory was delivered by many people - majority being GEMA. Everyone is important.

The difference was 200,000 votes....so Ruto just has to run the country - GEMA get their share of gov - maybe 30% - but even Luos need to be part of this gov.

What does Ruto owes us - development.

RV im just laying it bare . You as usual try to Run away from facts. Politics is cruel thats the nature of it .
If we go with your argument of holding country ransom then what percentage voted for Ruto vis a vis those who voted against him , those who decided not to go to the polling stations and those who even decided not to even register. Who is now holding the country ransom ?

Personally I was one of the happiest people when Mt Kenya decided to vote for Ruto. The people who were against Mt Kenya voting for Ruto are ODMers you sweat breath bleed like them.
Ask them their problem with Mt Kenya their answer is like yours they claim Mt Kenya want to be worshiped.


25% of pop cannot hold country ransom like you wish.
Ruto is happy with Mt kenya and Mt kenya are happy with Ruto.
I am also happy - my wife is happy - and my half-gema kids happy.
Shida iko wapi.

You want us to walk on top of Mt kenya eggs? to worship you? because you hold the keys to statehouse.
Peleka ujinga uko Urusi :)

Ruto is free to walk out of his political marriage like I am also free to walk out of my marriage if it doesnt work out.

But so far everyone is happy.


In 1992 Mt Kenya split votes between Maitba and Kibaki if unofied could have defeated Moi. Fact
In 1997 Matiba decided to Boycott the elections . Kibaki couldnt unify Mt Kenya , Kiambu ,Muranga , Nyandarua hated Kibaki majority of Mps from these areas were elected in other parties and not DP. Fact.
In both occasions Moi Rigged. You have testified how Kones rigged for Moi and Kanu in Rift Valley.
Moi having learnt from 92 and 97 elections decided to endorse and rally a Mt Kenyan. Once again Mt Kenya was split.
From 2003 to 2005 Raila ran a campaign against Mt Kenya come referendum ( which is not an election) Mt Kenya became united.
In 2007 even with Raila rigging as has been the case in 2022 he still lost because of Mt Kenya unity.
Ruto who was one of the people who convinced Moi to support Mt Kenya in 2002 decided to jump ship from 2008 and supported Mt Kenya im 2013 with a visionary plan that he would need their support come 2022.
The example you are relying om a pre 2010 Katiba nevertheless they go to show if you want to win an election either have GEMA on your side or split them.
Now you with your Moism dream of isolating Mt Kenya , I can only wish you luck. Luckily you domt share same vision with Ruto .
Ruto has supported Mt Kenya in 2002,2013,2017 ,2022 and indeed 2027. I look at his Cabinet and appointees and See more Mt Kenya rhan during Kibaki and Uhurus era.

Every election has it dynamics.
Moi won in 1992 by splitting opposition.
Moi won in 1997 despite kibaki uniting GEMA by gaining ground Luhyaland & Ukambani - promising kaloi/madvd/saitoti/ngala support after he retired.
Moi changed equation in 2002 by endorsing Uhuru. Raila knew only another kikuyu would beat Moi and said Kibaki tosha.
GEMA lost 2005 referendum by huge margin 58 - v- 42 percent;
GEMA lost 2007 by small margin and rigged. Raila and ODM lost by not keeping Kaloi and allowing riggable margin
Ruto knew Raila was hopeless buffon and went back to Uhuru - and won 2013 together.
Raila really had no hope in 2017 - and was just running for the show.
Uhuru took raila onboard to slice Ruto - and later gave birth to handshake.
Raila knew from 2013 - that he need to split gema and kalenjin alliance.
Martha and uhuru were the people to split GEMA.

Conclusion - there are many ways to win against GEMA - see 1992, 1997, 2005.

Let says 2007 is in dispute. 2022 was GEMA divided.

In 2013/2017 - Raila had zero gema and came close - he only needed 5% to win - which he could have gotten if he worked harder like Ruto did in 2022

Okay tell me why Raila didnt become President in 2013,2017 why he opted for Martha Karua in 2027. I will give you the benefit of doubt.

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Re: Azimio admit to many crimes in their postmorteum
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2022, 12:12:40 PM »

In 2007 percentage wise Bukusus voted for Kibaki more than they voted for Rutu in 2022. Same thing with Kamba ,Mijikenda , Kissis and Somalis percentage wise in 2007 they votes were more compared to Rutos in 2022. Then on your argument you want us to believe Kibaki rigged and Ruto didnt . The person who rigged in both occasions was Raila .


Ruto victory is attributed to many people. Bukusu vote was critical plus 1% in this election for example. Raila has gotten many million votes but they all amount to nothing. GEMA struggled against Moi.

In short Ruto victory was delivered by many people - majority being GEMA. Everyone is important.

The difference was 200,000 votes....so Ruto just has to run the country - GEMA get their share of gov - maybe 30% - but even Luos need to be part of this gov.

What does Ruto owes us - development.

RV im just laying it bare . You as usual try to Run away from facts. Politics is cruel thats the nature of it .
If we go with your argument of holding country ransom then what percentage voted for Ruto vis a vis those who voted against him , those who decided not to go to the polling stations and those who even decided not to even register. Who is now holding the country ransom ?

Personally I was one of the happiest people when Mt Kenya decided to vote for Ruto. The people who were against Mt Kenya voting for Ruto are ODMers you sweat breath bleed like them.
Ask them their problem with Mt Kenya their answer is like yours they claim Mt Kenya want to be worshiped.


25% of pop cannot hold country ransom like you wish.
Ruto is happy with Mt kenya and Mt kenya are happy with Ruto.
I am also happy - my wife is happy - and my half-gema kids happy.
Shida iko wapi.

You want us to walk on top of Mt kenya eggs? to worship you? because you hold the keys to statehouse.
Peleka ujinga uko Urusi :)

Ruto is free to walk out of his political marriage like I am also free to walk out of my marriage if it doesnt work out.

But so far everyone is happy.


In 1992 Mt Kenya split votes between Maitba and Kibaki if unofied could have defeated Moi. Fact
In 1997 Matiba decided to Boycott the elections . Kibaki couldnt unify Mt Kenya , Kiambu ,Muranga , Nyandarua hated Kibaki majority of Mps from these areas were elected in other parties and not DP. Fact.
In both occasions Moi Rigged. You have testified how Kones rigged for Moi and Kanu in Rift Valley.
Moi having learnt from 92 and 97 elections decided to endorse and rally a Mt Kenyan. Once again Mt Kenya was split.
From 2003 to 2005 Raila ran a campaign against Mt Kenya come referendum ( which is not an election) Mt Kenya became united.
In 2007 even with Raila rigging as has been the case in 2022 he still lost because of Mt Kenya unity.
Ruto who was one of the people who convinced Moi to support Mt Kenya in 2002 decided to jump ship from 2008 and supported Mt Kenya im 2013 with a visionary plan that he would need their support come 2022.
The example you are relying om a pre 2010 Katiba nevertheless they go to show if you want to win an election either have GEMA on your side or split them.
Now you with your Moism dream of isolating Mt Kenya , I can only wish you luck. Luckily you domt share same vision with Ruto .
Ruto has supported Mt Kenya in 2002,2013,2017 ,2022 and indeed 2027. I look at his Cabinet and appointees and See more Mt Kenya rhan during Kibaki and Uhurus era.

Every election has it dynamics.
Moi won in 1992 by splitting opposition.
Moi won in 1997 despite kibaki uniting GEMA by gaining ground Luhyaland & Ukambani - promising kaloi/madvd/saitoti/ngala support after he retired.
Moi changed equation in 2002 by endorsing Uhuru. Raila knew only another kikuyu would beat Moi and said Kibaki tosha.
GEMA lost 2005 referendum by huge margin 58 - v- 42 percent;
GEMA lost 2007 by small margin and rigged. Raila and ODM lost by not keeping Kaloi and allowing riggable margin
Ruto knew Raila was hopeless buffon and went back to Uhuru - and won 2013 together.
Raila really had no hope in 2017 - and was just running for the show.
Uhuru took raila onboard to slice Ruto - and later gave birth to handshake.
Raila knew from 2013 - that he need to split gema and kalenjin alliance.
Martha and uhuru were the people to split GEMA.

Conclusion - there are many ways to win against GEMA - see 1992, 1997, 2005.

Let says 2007 is in dispute. 2022 was GEMA divided.

In 2013/2017 - Raila had zero gema and came close - he only needed 5% to win - which he could have gotten if he worked harder like Ruto did in 2022

Okay tell me why Raila didnt become President in 2013,2017 why he opted for Martha Karua in 2027. I will give you the benefit of doubt.

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Re: Azimio admit to many crimes in their postmorteum
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2022, 12:16:29 PM »
We can argue until Jesus christ come but 2007 was rigged. 2022 was not rigged.
Every election has it's dynamic
Because of it's nature.

Ruto can win with zero gema votes -  he will just need Luo and luhya votes. or kamba & Luhya votes.

Kenya politics is very rubbery - nobody know how it will go next election...but it easy to know how to get 50% by adding tribes together as I do in MOASS.


In 2007 percentage wise Bukusus voted for Kibaki more than they voted for Rutu in 2022. Same thing with Kamba ,Mijikenda , Kissis and Somalis percentage wise in 2007 they votes were more compared to Rutos in 2022. Then on your argument you want us to believe Kibaki rigged and Ruto didnt . The person who rigged in both occasions was Raila .

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Re: Azimio admit to many crimes in their postmorteum
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2022, 04:38:27 PM »
In 2007 the difference between presidential vote tallies and parliamentary vote tallies were eery similar to the gap between obako and baba.   
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« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2022, 05:12:13 PM »
odm had 105 and easily won speaker; kibaki even with odm-k was not capable of governing; he rigged big; he had like 40mps directly in PNU; maybe 30 in other parties; ODM plus ODM-K was 105 plus Kalonzo mps.

Not much really changed in 2005/2007; except kibaki rigged in central/gema as seen by unrealistic turnout increase - the script was simple - hold the election and wait for instruction on how much to pad

Now you cant do that with final declaration at polling station.

To win election now requires an organization GURU like Ruto to roll out 50,000 polling station centric structures - and manages it.

Ruto and Chirchir have now done it in 3 elections. Itumbi also played his role this election.

In 2007 the difference between presidential vote tallies and parliamentary vote tallies were eery similar to the gap between obako and baba.