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Police should provide him with all the security he needs.
In fact, the police should ignore him completely.

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Re: Stupid Raila want to protect cherorror at all cost - call for demos
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2022, 05:39:18 PM »
Would be a great chance to see how many Azimio morons are still alive in kenya

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Re: Stupid Raila want to protect cherorror at all cost - call for demos
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2022, 06:05:02 PM »
in your view they committed crime?
because they went against the flow?
if so, then we are going backwards.


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Re: Stupid Raila want to protect cherorror at all cost - call for demos
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2022, 06:29:11 PM »
There is due process - if they feel it's not fair - the courts are opened.
Removal - start with someone petitioning parliament - parliament if it approves - petition Ruto to form a tribunal - to investigate - if found guilty - they go home.

The fact that Raila is adopting them - make their cases even more dire.
These people are suppose to be independent - totally.
So by being supported by Azimio - they should resign.
In fact they should be on forefront - calling Azimio to stay away from them - as they should be seen to be independent.

Even Chebukati cannot appear with Ruto - let assume he is ruto man.

These fours should have long resigned. The battle should be on the new team.

Raila can call for demos to ensure the new team are upto the task.

in your view they committed crime?
because they went against the flow?
if so, then we are going backwards.



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Re: Stupid Raila want to protect cherorror at all cost - call for demos
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2022, 08:46:30 PM »
Actually they should be sent home and tried for treason. Raila is best ignored , leave him to Gachagua and Oscar Sudi.

Just imagine if they had their way , we could have a cursed Raila presidency a continuation of Uhuru stupidity. Wacha tu Mungu ame save Kenya from their evil plan.

Liberalize Milk , Sugar industry and audit all tenders above 1 billion shillings issued in the last 5 years , recover the stollen assets etc.

in your view they committed crime?
because they went against the flow?
if so, then we are going backwards.

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Re: Stupid Raila want to protect cherorror at all cost - call for demos
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2022, 09:14:19 PM »
These fools should have resigned as soon as Ruto was declared president. They should be sent home and tried for running 'opaque' elections. There is enough evidence to send these fwackers behind bars.

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Re: Stupid Raila want to protect cherorror at all cost - call for demos
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2022, 09:18:51 PM »
The comments are 99% anti- Raila. Time is up

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Re: Stupid Raila want to protect cherorror at all cost - call for demos
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2022, 09:19:18 PM »
Yes I think Criminal Investigation should now be opened.
Ruto has tried to be soft with these MOFOs.
These fools should have resigned as soon as Ruto was declared president. They should be sent home and tried for running 'opaque' elections. There is enough evidence to send these fwackers behind bars.

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Re: Stupid Raila want to protect cherorror at all cost - call for demos
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2022, 12:50:01 AM »
Ruto is handling the former regime lightly, he should start directing EACC to investigate some former ministers just like Kibaki did, he should show that he is here to undo Uhurus mess.  Otherwise he will tried even by his own vice president, create a powerful internal security minister

In a few months a mini reshuffle is needed , move Kindiki from Internal security to defence , give Duale internal security. Security needs a man , with Manish voice not feminine soft  meero voice  :D
like karambu my soft girl

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Re: Stupid Raila want to protect cherorror at all cost - call for demos
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2022, 01:09:59 PM »
No word on hunger, staple prices but cherrero clowns. Shameless thugh cunning. Dynasty and state capture thugs must be scheming day and night to rock Hasla's ship. Serves Hasla right -magnanimous big man my foot!
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Re: Stupid Raila want to protect cherorror at all cost - call for demos
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2022, 01:44:29 PM »
Raila is such a moron. he needs to disappear. he has been rejected 5 times by voters. I am not sure why he has to keep behaving like losing elections doesn't end carry any weight.
the 4 commissioners should face the process established to determine if they are quilts. if they are they should resign and save themselves from further humiliation. if they are not quilts they should be afforded the best legal defense to protect their rights


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Re: Stupid Raila want to protect cherorror at all cost - call for demos
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2022, 02:42:41 PM »
Raila is such a moron. he needs to disappear. he has been rejected 5 times by voters. I am not sure why he has to keep behaving like losing elections doesn't end carry any weight.
the 4 commissioners should face the process established to determine if they are quilts. if they are they should resign and save themselves from further humiliation. if they are not quilts they should be afforded the best legal defense to protect their rights



What i notice is that they have been declared guilty and convicted by Ruto. They should be heard in court of law, not Ruto opinion.
Am surprised these morons are focusing on this rather than hunger and the 60% youth employment. Just because Raila says it does not mean govt resources should be in panic mode, unless they have something to hide. Again I say Ruto needs to govern and stop campaigning.

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Re: Stupid Raila want to protect cherorror at all cost - call for demos
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2022, 03:43:06 PM »
The procedure is clear.
Anybody can petition parliament.
Parliament will listen and approve or reject.
If approved it goes to Ruto who forms a tribunal
And if evidence convict them they go home.
And the courts are open in entire process if anyone feel the process is unfair.

Most importantly no political player should OPENLY support or oppose IEBC commissioners.
Not Chebukati not cherror.

Raila can offer them support chini ya maji but openly supporting them make their tenure untenable.

The first letter of IEBC - I - is INDEPENDENT.

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Re: Stupid Raila want to protect cherorror at all cost - call for demos
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2022, 11:46:15 AM »
I thought it is a stupid thing to open that front. It'll cost him heavily whether he gets them out or fails. Some wars are quite wasteful. But then how else will the new government learn what defeat tastes like?
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Re: Stupid Raila want to protect cherorror at all cost - call for demos
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2022, 11:55:51 AM »
Ruto hasn't exactly kept his associations and support for a section of the IEBC chini ya maji, has he? It's just some of us couldn't accept Uhuru Kenyatta that we didnt expose Chebukati & Marijan when it mattered to Azimio. Their contacts are more explicit and far reaching than the feel good presence of Cherera et al. with Raila.

I hold no brief for Ruto but I can tell you for free this pursuit will cost him a lot with zero benefits. I thought he knows even Moi lost his wars on the elections issues. Only Kibaki tricked the opposition and managed to set up a most fake ECK where his personal advocate was the vice Chairman who overpowered Kivuitu to run roughshod.

Uhuru failed twice. Anyway you wont agree so we wait and see. I'll return to the topic to receive your signed instruments of surrender and your ceremonial sword as required under the international laws & customs on war
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Re: Stupid Raila want to protect cherorror at all cost - call for demos
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2022, 12:19:18 PM »
Omollo, forget about the cheroror, they are gone.Ruto will appoint new iebc early so they can settle down early and 2027 is foregone conclusion.Talk 2032.

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Re: Stupid Raila want to protect cherorror at all cost - call for demos
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2022, 04:19:20 PM »
The fools has called them off

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Re: Stupid Raila want to protect cherorror at all cost - call for demos
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2022, 04:52:14 PM »
It goes back to IPPG , Raila history of being part of 2002 winning team was simply because they outfoxed Moi through cooperation politics and were able to be involved in choosing ECK commissioners . Raila attributes his loss of 2007 to Karua and lack of influence in then ECK .
He managed to capture IEBC through The then Chair and His tribesman CEO but one thing he has not learnt from 2013 and 2022 elections is that even if uou control IEBC its the will of the people which prevails.
Right now he is not trying to defend Cherara what he is doing is putting himself in a place just like pre 2017 elections where he must be involved in selection of the commissioners. Once again he will be played badly just like what happened in JSC and Supreme Court. You can influence the selections but when shit hits the fan . These people start consulting their peers who are usually on both sides of divide.
 

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Re: Stupid Raila want to protect cherorror at all cost - call for demos
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2022, 04:56:28 PM »
NONSENSE. IF Raila had chebukati - he would be PORK now or we would be in some civil war. This what Kibaki did in 2007. This year Chebukati stopped him and Uhuru because they had parked 4 commissioners. They never saw Chebukati stopping them.

Now because they have been found with fingers on the chars - he knows Ruto will now pick all the 7 commissioners - and will nail 2027.

The battle for IEBC is essentially the battle for 2027 - because even with best tech like we had in last election - some people can meet like they did in 2007 or tried in 2022 and alter elections - and with pliant supreme court - it game over.

Raila definitely want to run again - and he will cause trouble - if he doesnt get IEBC he wants. Unfortunately he is only one aware why IEBC 4 must remain for his 2027 plans. He is fighting a lost battle.

Ruto will put 7 commissioners that will work for him in 2027. Ruto wants this done as early as possible. He gets 7 commissioners and we are talking 2032 as next election.

It goes back to IPPG , Raila history of being part of 2002 winning team was simply because they outfoxed Moi through cooperation politics and were able to be involved in choosing ECK commissioners . Raila attributes his loss of 2007 to Karua and lack of influence in then ECK .
He managed to capture IEBC through The then Chair and His tribesman CEO but one thing he has not learnt from 2013 and 2022 elections is that even if uou control IEBC its the will of the people which prevails.
Right now he is not trying to defend Cherara what he is doing is putting himself in a place just like pre 2017 elections where he must be involved in selection of the commissioners. Once again he will be played badly just like what happened in JSC and Supreme Court. You can influence the selections but when shit hits the fan . These people start consulting their peers who are usually on both sides of divide.
 

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Re: Stupid Raila want to protect cherorror at all cost - call for demos
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2022, 05:11:34 PM »

Your friends have told you Raila had Kivuitu in 2007 and still lost . Karua wanted to fire Kivuitu because of 2005 Referendum loss but Kivuitu managed to survive because of Raila defence . This is a fact .
Raila  had Isaac hassan and Oswago in 2013 and still lost .
In 2022 he had Cherera and the 3musketeers but still lost.
Elections in Kenya are won at the ballot simple fact . Something which made many Raila supporters realize that in 2022 .
As for 2027 elections you just repeated what I said in another way . The battle is not to rescue Cherera and  three musketeers but to be involved in selection of the commissioners . That said its stupid as he has never won 2007,2013 and 2022 elections even with some backing of the commisioners . 
If I was to advice him I would tell him focus on issues and corruption then come 2022 back someone else.

NONSENSE. IF Raila had chebukati - he would be PORK now or we would be in some civil war. This what Kibaki did in 2007. This year Chebukati stopped him and Uhuru because they had parked 4 commissioners. They never saw Chebukati stopping them.

Now because they have been found with fingers on the chars - he knows Ruto will now pick all the 7 commissioners - and will nail 2027.

The battle for IEBC is essentially the battle for 2027 - because even with best tech like we had in last election - some people can meet like they did in 2007 or tried in 2022 and alter elections - and with pliant supreme court - it game over.

Raila definitely want to run again - and he will cause trouble - if he doesnt get IEBC he wants. Unfortunately he is only one aware why IEBC 4 must remain for his 2027 plans. He is fighting a lost battle.

Ruto will put 7 commissioners that will work for him in 2027. Ruto wants this done as early as possible. He gets 7 commissioners and we are talking 2032 as next election.

It goes back to IPPG , Raila history of being part of 2002 winning team was simply because they outfoxed Moi through cooperation politics and were able to be involved in choosing ECK commissioners . Raila attributes his loss of 2007 to Karua and lack of influence in then ECK .
He managed to capture IEBC through The then Chair and His tribesman CEO but one thing he has not learnt from 2013 and 2022 elections is that even if uou control IEBC its the will of the people which prevails.
Right now he is not trying to defend Cherara what he is doing is putting himself in a place just like pre 2017 elections where he must be involved in selection of the commissioners. Once again he will be played badly just like what happened in JSC and Supreme Court. You can influence the selections but when shit hits the fan . These people start consulting their peers who are usually on both sides of divide.