Edith Matiba went alliance

[KenyanPlato]

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wow she didn't seem to be that educated. I guess her humble nature masked how brilliant she was
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[RV Pundit]

She is from Musa Gitau family who I bet was founder of alliance girls.Her brother Alexander Gitau the state house comptroller of Kenyatta.

[Nowayhaha]

Reason why Matiba was able to appeal to Kiambu in 1992 even though he was from  Muranga.
Even Kibaki when he won in 2002 Kiambu people saw him as an outsider. It took Saiasa ya Kabila adui to make Kiambu vote for Kibaki in 2007.  A rude awakening for Raila and his supporter for it was the first time since 1960s GEMA had united.  Raila has never recovered from this misadventure. He thought he would divide GEMA in 2022 by chosing Karua and using Uhuru. Wapi.

She is from Musa Gitau family who I bet was founder of alliance girls.Her brother Alexander Gitau the state house comptroller of Kenyatta.

[RV Pundit]

Not neccesarily.
Matiba like many Muranga politician lived in Kiambu...michukis and the rest
Matiba home was in then rural Tigoni and so was his flower business
His mother lived in tea estate near Githunguri.
So they were legit Kiambu residence.
Muranga was really just their political or ancestral base.
Otherwise he was at home in Kiambu more than Kiharu.

Maybe new generation of Muranga leaders are now genuinely homegrown - going to Muranga for weekends and all - the older generation were at home in Nairobi or Kiambu - and Muranga was just ancestral home to retreat it to during political seasons - before running to hide in Kiambu.

Reason why Matiba was able to appeal to Kiambu in 1992 even though he was from  Muranga.
Even Kibaki when he won in 2002 Kiambu people saw him as an outsider. It took Saiasa ya Kabila adui to make Kiambu vote for Kibaki in 2007.  A rude awakening for Raila and his supporter for it was the first time since 1960s GEMA had united.  Raila has never recovered from this misadventure. He thought he would divide GEMA in 2022 by chosing Karua and using Uhuru. Wapi.

She is from Musa Gitau family who I bet was founder of alliance girls.Her brother Alexander Gitau the state house comptroller of Kenyatta.

[Nowayhaha]

Dont make me laugh. RV wachanga ujuaji.

Not neccesarily.
Matiba like many Muranga politician lived in Kiambu...michukis and the rest
Matiba home was in then rural Tigoni and so was his flower business
His mother lived in tea estate near Githunguri.
So they were legit Kiambu residence.
Muranga was really just their political or ancestral base.
Otherwise he was at home in Kiambu more than Kiharu.

Maybe new generation of Muranga leaders are now genuinely homegrown - going to Muranga for weekends and all - the older generation were at home in Nairobi or Kiambu - and Muranga was just ancestral home to retreat it to during political seasons - before running to hide in Kiambu.

Reason why Matiba was able to appeal to Kiambu in 1992 even though he was from  Muranga.
Even Kibaki when he won in 2002 Kiambu people saw him as an outsider. It took Saiasa ya Kabila adui to make Kiambu vote for Kibaki in 2007.  A rude awakening for Raila and his supporter for it was the first time since 1960s GEMA had united.  Raila has never recovered from this misadventure. He thought he would divide GEMA in 2022 by chosing Karua and using Uhuru. Wapi.

She is from Musa Gitau family who I bet was founder of alliance girls.Her brother Alexander Gitau the state house comptroller of Kenyatta.

[RV Pundit]

I am not here to reduce my brain and knowledge to you level.
It's you to elevate if you want to debate me or to just read & be lucky.
Matiba was Kiambu man by residence.
Michuki was Kiambu man by residence.
Muranga was their ancestral & political home.
Muranga people had to go to ridgeways Kiambu to see Michuki and all the way to Tigoni to look for Matiba.
Those were their REAL HOMES.
If Kibaki was similarly settled in middle of Kiambu - he would have made enough connections in Kiambu to win substantial votes.
But he wasnt- his home was Othaya or Muthaiga in Nairobi.
Moi home was Kabarak in Nakuru - but his ancestral and political home was in Baringo.

Dont make me laugh. RV wachanga ujuaji.

[Nowayhaha]

If this below is debating , Wacha ikae.
Im not Robina to chase wind .  You might need to read what Kamotho was saying about Matiba back then to understand why Matiba got the cross Kikuyu appeal. If I get the article will share.
RV Ive told you Im not a Pundit Im as real as it comes. 
Let me give it to you for trying to understand GEMA politics seems still you have not understood it.

I am not here to reduce my brain and knowledge to you level.
It's you to elevate if you want to debate me or to just read & be lucky.
Matiba was Kiambu man by residence.
Michuki was Kiambu man by residence.
Muranga was their ancestral & political home.
Muranga people had to go to ridgeways Kiambu to see Michuki and all the way to Tigoni to look for Matiba.
Those were their REAL HOMES.
If Kibaki was similarly settled in middle of Kiambu - he would have made enough connections in Kiambu to win substantial votes.
But he wasnt- his home was Othaya or Muthaiga in Nairobi.
Moi home was Kabarak in Nakuru - but his ancestral and political home was in Baringo.

Dont make me laugh. RV wachanga ujuaji.

[RV Pundit]

You dont have a patent to GEMA or Kiambu or Kikuyu politics.
The best political analysis and punditry I have read - are by Wazungus.
Matiba had no cross kikuyu appeal.
He was popular in Muranga-Kiambu-Nakuru-Nairobi.
And he was popular in those areas amongst the mostly poor hustler class.
Why was he popular amongst the poor class of Kikuyus - he empowered them through land and business opportunities.
I remember there was very powerful Kiharu land and something that he headed.
Matiba was also into football and was quite fiery - fearless and brave.
Kibaki was popular in Nyeri-Laikipia-Kirinyanga-half of Meru/Embu.
Generally Kibaki was more popular amongst the educated and rich Kikuyus - who were suspicious of Matiba militantism.
Generally Muranga politics is split into three phase - Gikonyo Kiano basically dominated until mid 80s - Matiba/Michuki/Kamothos in 80s fought to succeed Kiano - Matiba won and then got mentally ill -  Michuki prevailed - and now it's wilderness - Ndidi Nyoro looks the most promising.

If this below is debating , Wacha ikae.
Im not Robina to chase wind .  You might need to read what Kamotho was saying about Matiba back then to understand why Matiba got the cross Kikuyu appeal. If I get the article will share.
RV Ive told you Im not a Pundit Im as real as it comes. 
Let me give it to you for trying to understand GEMA politics seems still you have not understood it.

[Nowayhaha]

Kibaki won in Nyeri,Kirinyaga, Embu ,Meru & Tharaka Nithi
Matiba took all the other Kikuyu regions.
Matibas and Kibakis Combination of Votes add some Luhya votes in 1992 could have out won Moi.
Now thats what later became United GEMA as from 2005 because of Kabila adui votes.
Im not saying Im an expert in GEMA politics just saying our understanding is different.
You can go back to our posts here prior to the elections you will realise while you were speculating most of the times I was providing real time information which was spot on.
You can ask Njuri.

You dont have a patent to GEMA or Kiambu or Kikuyu politics.
The best political analysis and punditry I have read - are by Wazungus.
Matiba had no cross kikuyu appeal.
He was popular in Muranga-Kiambu-Nakuru-Nairobi.
And he was popular in those areas amongst the mostly poor hustler class.
Kibaki was popular in Nyeri-Laikipia-Kirinyanga-half of Meru/Embu.

If this below is debating , Wacha ikae.
Im not Robina to chase wind .  You might need to read what Kamotho was saying about Matiba back then to understand why Matiba got the cross Kikuyu appeal. If I get the article will share.
RV Ive told you Im not a Pundit Im as real as it comes. 
Let me give it to you for trying to understand GEMA politics seems still you have not understood it.

[RV Pundit]

What is real time information
Is that why you have 5000 reputation points and I have 1.7M!
What you do is postmortem analysis; that anyone can do; current affairs analysis; what on the news that day.
You cant even do past analysis because you have very short memory
Leave alone trying to predict what future holds.

GEMA united in 1997 - Moi won. Ngilu got very few votes in Kiambu
Kibaki improved from 17% to 36% - won some votes in Gusii & Ukambani - but still lost.
Moi improved to 40% and still won.

Dont sell lies. United GEMA right now is trending towards 25%.
CANNOT WIN anything on their own.
Not in this post 2010 constitution.
Not previously

To win and govern a country like Kenya requires winning in so many areas - first to get the majority and then to get Mps.

2007 rigged but Kibaki was not going to govern anyone - he didnt even have the speaker - and had less than 80mps including 42 from PNU. He badly needed a coalition. He rushed to Kalonzo to just hope.

Otherwise ODM had 105Mps and Wiper I think about 15mps - out of 190mps of those days. How do you govern with that.

Kibaki won in Nyeri,Kirinyaga, Embu ,Meru & Tharaka Nithi
Matiba took all the other Kikuyu regions.
Matibas and Kibakis Combination of Votes add some Luhya votes in 1992 could have out won Moi.
Now thats what later became United GEMA as from 2005 because of Kabila adui votes.
Im not saying Im an expert in GEMA politics just saying our understanding is different.
You can go back to our posts here prior to the elections you will realise while you were speculating most of the times I was providing real time information which was spot on.
You can ask Njuri.

[Njuri Ncheke]

Am beginning to think pundit might be half kalenjin/luo or kisii mixed,guy is stubborn boisterous and know it all above shouting at even the wind. Pundit isn't a pure kalenjin
Now what  pundit you arguing with Noway is plain simple stuff you can ask any layman. Noway is absolutely correct on this, where the hell do you even get eti kibaki had half Meru? Meru was 100 per cent Kibaki dont mistake with votes moi used to rig in Tigania.
Just ask anyone on the street for these analysis don't rely on books and computers by wazungu.
Dont rely on cooked fogures by the then electoral body which was simoly a rigging machine for moi. That data is garbage

[Njuri Ncheke]

Any electoral data before 2002 is just pieces of shiet,chesoni or what was his name basically cooked fogures for ECK then completely useless , dont waste time using those figures,

[RV Pundit]

Am beginning to think pundit might be half kalenjin/luo or kisii mixed,guy is stubborn boisterous and know it all above shouting at even the wind. Pundit isn't a pure kalenjin
Now what  pundit you arguing with Noway is plain simple stuff you can ask any layman. Noway is absolutely correct on this, where the hell do you even get eti kibaki had half Meru? Meru was 100 per cent Kibaki dont mistake with votes moi used to rig in Tigania.
Just ask anyone on the street for these analysis don't rely on books and computers by wazungu.
Dont rely on cooked fogures by the then electoral body which was simoly a rigging machine for moi. That data is garbage

You ignorant of even Meru politics.Moi used to win half Meru and half embu county.Mostly imentis and embu supported kibaki.This is not about being sujui kalenjin or half what...it about having deep knowledge of Kenya politics.The whole tharaka nithi was kanu.Mbeere was kanu.Igembe kanu.Tigania kanu.Again only the progressive imentis and embu supported my party DP. Next kibaki got few votes from munyao in machakos.Then nyamweya kidogo in Gusii then John keen kidogo in kajiado.This was my party and kibaki was my candidate

[RV Pundit]

Any electoral data before 2002 is just pieces of shiet,chesoni or what was his name basically cooked fogures for ECK then completely useless , dont waste time using those figures,

Here goes the excuse from moi beating.Assume even kibaki won in 1997..how would he even govern with 40 mps.Moi despite rigging generally won .. opposition was hopelessly divided.Moi had national support...not in big tribes...but he swept all small tribes...and made KANU a joggernaut.It would take Raila rebellion to implode KANU otherwise we we're finished.I didn't support moi for single minute but I know he was a political genius

[Nowayhaha]

Pundit fits in well in Azimio/ODM. He exhibits the behaviours and characteristics of Azimio. Remember when all figures were showing Ruto winning but the Kichwas and Achieks were talking of Raila being declared as President.
2022 elections has just proven Raila lost 2017,3013 and 2027 elections. In all those elections he said system rigged him out. In 2022 he had the system and still lost. Nowonder for a first Raila has decided to keep calm. Did Raila know he lost all those 3 previous elecrions yes he did but with his supporters who dont want to believe the truth like Pundits and Kichwas . They will always be singing 2007,2013 and 2017 kiliibiwa.
If I get time will do a comparison between the 4 elections and show case what really happened and the margins of win which Ruto and Kibaki used to win. Ruto basically did a Kibaki 2007 . with the coast , Kamba Kisii and Luhya votes   Only that its a busy season. Cant sit and do the analysis .Once I get time will showcase.

Am beginning to think pundit might be half kalenjin/luo or kisii mixed,guy is stubborn boisterous and know it all above shouting at even the wind. Pundit isn't a pure kalenjin
Now what  pundit you arguing with Noway is plain simple stuff you can ask any layman. Noway is absolutely correct on this, where the hell do you even get eti kibaki had half Meru? Meru was 100 per cent Kibaki dont mistake with votes moi used to rig in Tigania.
Just ask anyone on the street for these analysis don't rely on books and computers by wazungu.
Dont rely on cooked fogures by the then electoral body which was simoly a rigging machine for moi. That data is garbage

[RV Pundit]

Biggest complainers of 2007 rigging is WSR.Not me.Of course you wish you can eliminate that part of Ruto history as you seek to own him.2022 Ruto win is backed by gema and kalenjin.2007 kibaki win was purely gema plus few votes here and there...so you can't compare the two.2013,2017 and 2022 are similar...at core is Mt Kenya & kalenjin alliance..that is hard to beat.Kibaki went to 2007 with Mt Kenya only hence the brazen rigging that sparked violence.

[Nowayhaha]

You pretend you are a genious but you fail to say 2007 Presidential elections were with a simple majority and then Kalonzo didnt back Raila.
Now on Ruto , He personally acknowledged they lost in 2007. He infact didnt even back Raila and the motivation to back up Uhuru in 2013 was simply premised on the loss of 2007. You see why you are not Ruto . He is a visionary he said people say GEMA cannot back another candidate but he believes in Kenya where any tribe cam back up anyone come 2022 he won GEMA. And Im not tribal what Ruto has done with Kingi and Wetangula is visionary come 2027 he will be rewarded . Si mabishano lets look at politics for what it is. Ujuaji haitakupeleka anywhere . You see where rhe Robinas ans Kichwas are? Where is Audacity of Dope ?

Biggest complainers of 2007 rigging is WSR.Not me.Of course you wish you can eliminate that part of Ruto history as you seek to own him.2022 Ruto win is backed by gema and kalenjin.2007 kibaki win was purely gema plus few votes here and there...so you can't compare the two.2013,2017 and 2022 are similar...at core is Mt Kenya & kalenjin alliance..that is hard to beat.Kibaki went to 2007 with Mt Kenya only hence the brazen rigging that sparked violence.

[RV Pundit]

You pretend you are a genious but you fail to say 2007 Presidential elections were with a simple majority and then Kalonzo didnt back Raila.
Now on Ruto , He personally acknowledged they lost in 2007. He infact didnt even back Raila and the motivation to back up Uhuru in 2013 was simply premised on the loss of 2007. You see why you are not Ruto . He is a visionary he said people say GEMA cannot back another candidate but he believes in Kenya where any tribe cam back up anyone come 2022 he won GEMA. And Im not tribal what Ruto has done with Kingi and Wetangula is visionary come 2027 he will be rewarded . Si mabishano lets look at politics for what it is. Ujuaji haitakupeleka anywhere . You see where rhe Robinas ans Kichwas are? Where is Audacity of Dope ?

Biggest complainers of 2007 rigging is WSR.Not me.Of course you wish you can eliminate that part of Ruto history as you seek to own him.2022 Ruto win is backed by gema and kalenjin.2007 kibaki win was purely gema plus few votes here and there...so you can't compare the two.2013,2017 and 2022 are similar...at core is Mt Kenya & kalenjin alliance..that is hard to beat.Kibaki went to 2007 with Mt Kenya only hence the brazen rigging that sparked violence.

Kibaki rigged 2007 to win by 200k.We can never agree there.Whether we argue day n night.The rigging was brazen, led to more than thousand deaths and uprooted more half million people. When it come to political punditry .you cannot wash my feet.Youre not in my level.Two years ago I told you Weta would become National Assembly speaker...now you're doing postmortem of it and pretending to be a genius.Youre a crazy moron.I told you Rigathi was on pole for Dpork after kiunjuri messed up.

[Nowayhaha]

You area pundit Im in politics. Wetas kin in my collegue we are tight like chanda na pete in 2013 he told its impossible to votw for another Kikuyu last year he told me its impossible to vote for Raila again . Reread my posts . Weta went to Ruto because Bukusus were going to vote Ruto. I did acknowledge this. How many Ford K MCAs were voted in Bungoma and Transzoia vis a vis UDA MCAs. let me know. Ive not had time to reconcile.

You pretend you are a genious but you fail to say 2007 Presidential elections were with a simple majority and then Kalonzo didnt back Raila.
Now on Ruto , He personally acknowledged they lost in 2007. He infact didnt even back Raila and the motivation to back up Uhuru in 2013 was simply premised on the loss of 2007. You see why you are not Ruto . He is a visionary he said people say GEMA cannot back another candidate but he believes in Kenya where any tribe cam back up anyone come 2022 he won GEMA. And Im not tribal what Ruto has done with Kingi and Wetangula is visionary come 2027 he will be rewarded . Si mabishano lets look at politics for what it is. Ujuaji haitakupeleka anywhere . You see where rhe Robinas ans Kichwas are? Where is Audacity of Dope ?

Biggest complainers of 2007 rigging is WSR.Not me.Of course you wish you can eliminate that part of Ruto history as you seek to own him.2022 Ruto win is backed by gema and kalenjin.2007 kibaki win was purely gema plus few votes here and there...so you can't compare the two.2013,2017 and 2022 are similar...at core is Mt Kenya & kalenjin alliance..that is hard to beat.Kibaki went to 2007 with Mt Kenya only hence the brazen rigging that sparked violence.

Kibaki rigged 2007 to win by 200k.We can never agree there.Whether we argue day n night.The rigging was brazen, led to more than thousand deaths and uprooted more half million people. When it come to political punditry .you cannot wash my feet.Youre not in my level.Two years ago I told you Weta would become National Assembly speaker...now you're doing postmortem of it and pretending to be a genius.Youre a crazy moron.I told you Rigathi was on pole for Dpork after kiunjuri messed up.

[RV Pundit]

You're  a shameless cartoon who spent time here saying weta and bukusu wont deal with Ruto.
Weta proved himself in Kabuchai byelection - and Ruto knew he had to deal with him - pay him some millions and give him NA Speaker plus concede Tranzoia and Bungoma to Ford-K and a cabinet position for him.

You area pundit Im in politics. Wetas kin in my collegue we are tight like chanda na pete in 2013 he told its impossible to votw for another Kikuyu last year he told me its impossible to vote for Raila again . Reread my posts . Weta went to Ruto because Bukusus were going to vote Ruto. I did acknowledge this. How many Ford K MCAs were voted in Bungoma and Transzoia vis a vis UDA MCAs. let me know. Ive not had time to reconcile.

You pretend you are a genious but you fail to say 2007 Presidential elections were with a simple majority and then Kalonzo didnt back Raila.
Now on Ruto , He personally acknowledged they lost in 2007. He infact didnt even back Raila and the motivation to back up Uhuru in 2013 was simply premised on the loss of 2007. You see why you are not Ruto . He is a visionary he said people say GEMA cannot back another candidate but he believes in Kenya where any tribe cam back up anyone come 2022 he won GEMA. And Im not tribal what Ruto has done with Kingi and Wetangula is visionary come 2027 he will be rewarded . Si mabishano lets look at politics for what it is. Ujuaji haitakupeleka anywhere . You see where rhe Robinas ans Kichwas are? Where is Audacity of Dope ?

Biggest complainers of 2007 rigging is WSR.Not me.Of course you wish you can eliminate that part of Ruto history as you seek to own him.2022 Ruto win is backed by gema and kalenjin.2007 kibaki win was purely gema plus few votes here and there...so you can't compare the two.2013,2017 and 2022 are similar...at core is Mt Kenya & kalenjin alliance..that is hard to beat.Kibaki went to 2007 with Mt Kenya only hence the brazen rigging that sparked violence.

Kibaki rigged 2007 to win by 200k.We can never agree there.Whether we argue day n night.The rigging was brazen, led to more than thousand deaths and uprooted more half million people. When it come to political punditry .you cannot wash my feet.Youre not in my level.Two years ago I told you Weta would become National Assembly speaker...now you're doing postmortem of it and pretending to be a genius.Youre a crazy moron.I told you Rigathi was on pole for Dpork after kiunjuri messed up.