Ruto pledges free lunch to all public primary schools

[Kadudu]

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Why do I have a feeling this guy reminds me of a person from the past?

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-05-11-ruto-pledges-free-lunch-to-all-public-primary-schools/

[RV Pundit]

Moi - but free food will be expensive - plate of githeri per kid assume even 30shs per plate.
Typical year has 160-180 - 170 school days.
30shs times 170 times 10 million primary kids is 51B kshs.
Assume half the kids go to private schools.
So typically budget of 25-35B - maybe 30B kshs.
So doable....if only it's restricted to Githeri or Rice & beans.
And it will create maybe 3-4 cooks per school - so can create 100,000 jobs.
There will be firewood and food suppliers...

Certainly it will have huge impact in poor families
Kids will remain in school, will concentrate and it great example of bottom up.
Lots of time is wasted in public school - running to and back from lunch - with parents have to standby for lunch cooking.
That is why many people prefer boarding schools

I would avoid milk if it goes to profit Brookside and few dairy companies.
Rather than milk - give the kids rice and beans. Githeri will be hard to cook.
Ugali is okay. But if firewood is not a problem - Githeri is doable.
Balance diet of starch, protein and vegetable doable.

Go for it - you maybe need budget of 30B kshs - which is wasted by KQ.
And it's a clear bottom up approach.

Each school will be given capitation for a kid ...170 times 30...equivalent of 5000kshs per year per kid.
Termly disbursement of 1500.

Counties should provide kindgarten with milk and uji - breakfast - because they go home for lunch.
Milk is good for their health.

I also believe certain aspect of this school feeding program is already operation in northern kenya and urban slums.

All in all - give money to schools - let them buy local food - to boost local economy.

[Githunguri]

Now that's making sense.

Will create thousands of jobs.

As long as maize rice beans njahi green grams are supplied from local farmers that's nice...it can boost farming even large scale like galana kulalu.

As long as all supplies are at market price not exhorbitant rates.good progress.

Next should be to give every child school uniform sourced from local textile companies at county level and cotton supplied from local farmers.it would boost agriculture and textile manufacturing.

SOCIAL CAPITALISM.

[Kadudu]

Are all kids that attend public schools from poor families and are those that attend private schools from rich families?

Anyway, I see another big flop like the free laptops scheme. That one died like a dodo even after Pundit defending it here like it was the game changer Kenya had been waiting for in the last 60 years. We have been there before with free lunch schemes for schools and all died a natural death. This too will die the same way.

Btw, it would be good such schemes if at all to be devolved. A national solution to hunger can never work in Kenya. One Aden Duale will get the contract to supply the ministry of education with maharagwe and Anne Waiguru to supply the mahindi. We all know how the story will end.

Moi - but free food will be expensive - plate of githeri per kid assume even 30shs per plate.
Typical year has 160-180 - 170 school days.
30shs times 170 times 10 million primary kids is 51B kshs.
Assume half the kids go to private schools.
So typically budget of 25-35B - maybe 30B kshs.
So doable....if only it's restricted to Githeri or Rice & beans.
And it will create maybe 3-4 cooks per school - so can create 100,000 jobs.
There will be firewood and food suppliers...

Certainly it will have huge impact in poor families
Kids will remain in school, will concentrate and it great example of bottom up.
Lots of time is wasted in public school - running to and back from lunch - with parents have to standby for lunch cooking.
That is why many people prefer boarding schools

I would avoid milk if it goes to profit Brookside and few dairy companies.
Rather than milk - give the kids rice and beans. Githeri will be hard to cook.
Ugali is okay. But if firewood is not a problem - Githeri is doable.
Balance diet of starch,protein and vegetable doable.

Go for it - you maybe need budget of 30B kshs - which is wasted by KQ.
And it's a clear bottom up approach.

Each school will be given capitation for a kid ...170 times 30...equivalent of 5000kshs per year per kid.

[RV Pundit]

Raila will copy-paste

Deputy President and Kenya Kwanza Presidential candidate William Ruto has endorsed a proposal to implement a school feeding programme in all public primary schools countrywide. pic.twitter.com/urJAOGcsx3

— TheStarKenya (@TheStarKenya) May 11, 2022

[RV Pundit]

1) Laptop impact will show up 20yrs from now. Relax. Program went well. Money given directly to kids can NEVER BE WASTE. KQ is.
2) This can be done through capitation - as long as we have determine the average price of cheapest balance food - rice and beans
3)  Maths shows every kid can do with 30shs per plate per day - give schools 1500 per kid. School has 300kids...every primary get 1.5M Kshs per term
4) Headmaster and board - now uses that 1.5M to procure beans, rice, firewood, hire 1-3 cooks.
5) We will be boosting local village economy by 1.5mshs per term - 5M per year. The community to monitor school heads for corruption
6) This is classic bottom up.

I am opposed to milk given to Brookside deal...but rice & beans or Githeri...go for it

@Uon we use to have ugali for 5shs and beans 10shs - so 15shs - ugali and vegetables - 10 bob.

Are all kids that attend public schools from poor families and are those that attend private schools from rich families?

Anyway, I see another big flop like the free laptops scheme. That one died like a dodo even after Pundit defending it here like it was the game changer Kenya had been waiting for in the last 60 years. We have been there before with free lunch schemes for schools and all died a natural death. This too will die the same way.

Btw, it would be good such schemes if at all to be devolved. A national solution to hunger can never work in Kenya. One Aden Duale will get the contract to supply the ministry of education with maharagwe and Anne Waiguru to supply the mahindi. We all know how the story will end.

Moi - but free food will be expensive - plate of githeri per kid assume even 30shs per plate.
Typical year has 160-180 - 170 school days.
30shs times 170 times 10 million primary kids is 51B kshs.
Assume half the kids go to private schools.
So typically budget of 25-35B - maybe 30B kshs.
So doable....if only it's restricted to Githeri or Rice & beans.
And it will create maybe 3-4 cooks per school - so can create 100,000 jobs.
There will be firewood and food suppliers...

Certainly it will have huge impact in poor families
Kids will remain in school, will concentrate and it great example of bottom up.
Lots of time is wasted in public school - running to and back from lunch - with parents have to standby for lunch cooking.
That is why many people prefer boarding schools

I would avoid milk if it goes to profit Brookside and few dairy companies.
Rather than milk - give the kids rice and beans. Githeri will be hard to cook.
Ugali is okay. But if firewood is not a problem - Githeri is doable.
Balance diet of starch,protein and vegetable doable.

Go for it - you maybe need budget of 30B kshs - which is wasted by KQ.
And it's a clear bottom up approach.

Each school will be given capitation for a kid ...170 times 30...equivalent of 5000kshs per year per kid.

[RV Pundit]

Local tailors should continue to stitch school uniform.
I had a friend (killed with his brother in land dispute) - he was slightl disabled, after primary he became tailor and got so successfully he had 5 tailors stitching school uniforms.
There is local tailoring and schoe making economy that we need to keep.
Capitation is all that is needed.
Determine the average cost.
Then give school the money.

County textile and such cloth industries - should be taken to EPZ for export.
Make LAMU and Mombasa free ports - and allow SEZ to operate from there.
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Now that's making sense.

Will create thousands of jobs.

As long as maize rice beans njahi green grams are supplied from local farmers that's nice...it can boost farming even large scale like galana kulalu.

As long as all supplies are at market price not exhorbitant rates.good progress.

Next should be to give every child school uniform sourced from local textile companies at county level and cotton supplied from local farmers.it would boost agriculture and textile manufacturing.

SOCIAL CAPITALISM.

[Githunguri]

Local tailors should continue to stitch school uniform.
I had a friend (killed with his brother in land dispute) - he was slightl disabled, after primary he became tailor and got so successfully he had 5 tailors stitching school uniforms.
There is local tailoring and schoe making economy that we need to keep.
Capitation is all that is needed.
Determine the average cost.
Then give school the money.

County textile and such cloth industries - should be taken to EPZ for export.
Make LAMU and Mombasa free ports - and allow SEZ to operate from there.
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Now that's making sense.

Will create thousands of jobs.

As long as maize rice beans njahi green grams are supplied from local farmers that's nice...it can boost farming even large scale like galana kulalu.

As long as all supplies are at market price not exhorbitant rates.good progress.

Next should be to give every child school uniform sourced from local textile companies at county level and cotton supplied from local farmers.it would boost agriculture and textile manufacturing.

SOCIAL CAPITALISM.

I think our key focus should be local demand not export driven.

We have about 32,000 primary schools X 300 pupils each X 0.05 Grams per child per day X 20 Days a month X 9 months a year That would translate to about 30 Million Tonnes of grains (combined rice maize beans njahi grams).

The issue would be how do you build local production 30MN Tonnes per year?The logistics (Warehousing Storage Transport IT systems plants and machinery) It would create leaps and bounds.

Interns of Textile.If we have about 6MN pupils in primary schools..That would create demand of between 500K tonnes of cotton annually.

When you look at these two,The potential is for LOCAL DEMAND NOT EXPORT based which fluctuates with global markets.Thats how nations like USA develop...Government  gives food stamps/tickets for locally produced food or essentials and spurs demand.

[RV Pundit]

Counties like Bomet have milk program for pre-schoolers. This is great. They should insist milk be made in Bomet.

With your vote, we pledge to do even more, going forward in the education sector to ensure our future as a county is secured.

Officially dispatched 56,570 packets of milk to be distributed to all ECDEs at Cheswerta ECDE, Township ward, this afternoon.#BarchokTanoFresh pic.twitter.com/87utOJCiQo

— Governor Prof. Hillary Barchok (@BarchokHillary) May 11, 2022

[RV Pundit]

You're talking nonsense.
Kwani saa hii kids are not in uniform or feeding.
This is just supporting local poor kids and local economy.
Dont get over-excited. This boosting local economy kidogo.
School to buy maize and beans from parents...and firewood.

When it come to textile - then you're talking creating jobs - millions of jobs
And this is where EPZ and AGOA kicks in.
We need to do it LAMU ASAP


Jobs can only happen if we focus on export - otherwise local poor economy cannot create jobs beyond certain limit.

I think our key focus should be local demand not export driven.

We have about 32,000 primary schools X 300 pupils each X 0.05 Grams per child per day X 20 Days a month X 9 months a year That would translate to about 30 Million Tonnes of grains (combined rice maize beans njahi grams).

The issue would be how do you build local production 30MN Tonnes per year?The logistics (Warehousing Storage Transport IT systems plants and machinery) It would create leaps and bounds.

Interns of Textile.If we have about 6MN pupils in primary schools..That would create demand of between 500K tonnes of cotton annually.

When you look at these two,The potential is for LOCAL DEMAND NOT EXPORT based which fluctuates with global markets.Thats how nations like USA develop...Government  gives food stamps/tickets for locally produced food or essentials and spurs demand.

[Githunguri]

You're talking nonsense.
Kwani saa hii kids are not in uniform or feeding.
This is just supporting local poor kids and local economy.
Dont get over-excited. This boosting local economy kidogo.
School to buy maize and beans from parents...and firewood.

When it come to textile - then you're talking creating jobs - millions of jobs
And this is where EPZ and AGOA kicks in.
We need to do it LAMU ASAP


Jobs can only happen if we focus on export - otherwise local poor economy cannot create jobs beyond certain limit.

I think our key focus should be local demand not export driven.

We have about 32,000 primary schools X 300 pupils each X 0.05 Grams per child per day X 20 Days a month X 9 months a year That would translate to about 30 Million Tonnes of grains (combined rice maize beans njahi grams).

The issue would be how do you build local production 30MN Tonnes per year?The logistics (Warehousing Storage Transport IT systems plants and machinery) It would create leaps and bounds.

Interns of Textile.If we have about 6MN pupils in primary schools..That would create demand of between 500K tonnes of cotton annually.

When you look at these two,The potential is for LOCAL DEMAND NOT EXPORT based which fluctuates with global markets.Thats how nations like USA develop...Government  gives food stamps/tickets for locally produced food or essentials and spurs demand.

I don't have time for stupid arguments.

[sema]

One Aden Duale will get the contract to supply the ministry of education with maharagwe and Anne Waiguru to supply the mahindi. We all know how the story will end.

Isn't this the fundamental problem with African economies? We make nothing that is worth exporting. It's all about getting a corrupt government tender and becoming a supplier.  This cannot continue to work especially as the population keeps getting larger.  At a minimum, Africans need to start manufacturing at least for the local East African Market and then expand from their.

This is what has gotten Sri Lanka into trouble (too many imports and not enough local manufacturing)

And firewood? Seriously? cutting down more trees? how is this even viable?

[Githunguri]

One Aden Duale will get the contract to supply the ministry of education with maharagwe and Anne Waiguru to supply the mahindi. We all know how the story will end.

Isn't this the fundamental problem with African economies? We make nothing that is worth exporting. It's all about getting a corrupt government tender and becoming a supplier.  This cannot continue to work especially as the population keeps getting larger.  At a minimum, Africans need to start manufacturing at least for the local East African Market and then expand from their.

This is what has gotten Sri Lanka into trouble (too many imports and not enough local manufacturing)

And firewood? Seriously? cutting down more trees? how is this even viable?

Not just manufacturing but meeting agricultural demands for local market like above mentioned food clothing (cotton) shelter (timber) that creates demand for manufacturing of vehicles machinery construction and allied etc.

Firewood means private forestry investments which is quite an opportunity even now.

[RV Pundit]

1) Bottom up model boost the LOCAL economy while reducing corruption - because procurement for maize and beans - will happen in headmaster offices. SO that 30B if it was left in Nairobi - Duale would have taken part of it - but if it dispersed to 25,000 primary schools - Duale will not. The economy will remain the same - but now at least pie will spread to the guys at bottom. No few Kenyatta trillionaires...everyone will get something.

2) To really grow the economy and provide jobs - it may sound counter-intuitive - but you do the opposite of "common" sense - you focus on exporting - this is what South Asians did (South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, China, name them). Now Veitnam and Bangladesh are doing it. These countries have grown by doing opposite of common sense - that IMF/WB were recommending - because they were smart enough to realize developed countries where throwing the economic ladder down after using it.Ohoo fix the local economy. YOU CANNOT MANUFACTURE FOR POOR PEOPLE - that cannot afford three square meals.

3) Veitnam now export value is more than it's GDP. They export more goods than the local economy. It's a paradox!. Local poor economy even if you make it very efficient has it's limit. You have to grow exports use the excess labour. Your use export proceeds to grow the economy. When domestic economy is strong enough -now you switch to local economy. Veitnam is at stage 1. China is moving to stage 2 (restructuring from exports to domestic economy). Japan is in stage 3 (they can survive with local economy as japanase are rich now).

4) In transitioning you have to be careful - not to kill the economy in the process - from export back to domestic - you have to bring the dollars slowly - otherwise you will overheat the local economy - as many Asian financial crisis showed. This is why China have not been hurry to bring money home - they have invested outside china - to avoid overheating china with wave of new money (can cause dutch or nigeria curse - new oil money - everyone gets drunk). They are now re-hatting or restructuring - and building domestic consumption capacity.

5) Kenya has to do local economy (bottom up) - and with excess labour (now maybe 5M jobless people who are neither farmers) - we need to do EPZ - light manufacturing that employ lots of labour - stitch clothes for sale abroad - toys - stuff like those

Isn't this the fundamental problem with African economies? We make nothing that is worth exporting. It's all about getting a corrupt government tender and becoming a supplier.  This cannot continue to work especially as the population keeps getting larger.  At a minimum, Africans need to start manufacturing at least for the local East African Market and then expand from their.

This is what has gotten Sri Lanka into trouble (too many imports and not enough local manufacturing)

And firewood? Seriously? cutting down more trees? how is this even viable?

[sema]

but if it dispersed to 25,000 primary schools - Duale will not

Dispersed how? Someone has to "disperse" it  and this is where the corruption comes into play. The only way for these people to become rich is by using the corrupt tender process and that's why they can never get rid it. It's the ONLY thing they have. What else is manufactured in Kenya? phones? Car parts? Tv's? heavy machinery?

It's a typical 3rd world economy (agriculture and tourism before covid)

I just don't see the economic answer for sub-saharan africa (maybe subsidize fertilizers so they can at least increase their food yields and not die from starvation)

[RV Pundit]

It dispersed directly from treasury to school accounts through central banks directly to school accounts!
All Duale need to do is approve the budget in parliament and his role ends there.
Of course there will be corruption - some people will create fake schools - like they have done and register fake students.
But it becoming difficult because of National Student registrations - that require birth certificates - bla de bla

Dont be cynical.
Dont be a cynic
Countries can emerge from poverty.
Just study more.

The worst you can do is to give up on motherland.

but if it dispersed to 25,000 primary schools - Duale will not

Dispersed how? Someone has to "disperse" it  and this is where the corruption comes into play. The only way for these people to become rich is by using the corrupt tender process and that's why they can never get rid it. It's the ONLY thing they have. What else is manufactured in Kenya? phones? Car parts? Tv's? heavy machinery?

It's a typical 3rd world economy (agriculture and tourism before covid)

I just don't see the economic answer for sub-saharan africa (maybe subsidize fertilizers so they can at least increase their food yields and not die from starvation)

[Githunguri]

You're talking nonsense.
Kwani saa hii kids are not in uniform or feeding.
This is just supporting local poor kids and local economy.
Dont get over-excited. This boosting local economy kidogo.
School to buy maize and beans from parents...and firewood.

When it come to textile - then you're talking creating jobs - millions of jobs
And this is where EPZ and AGOA kicks in.
We need to do it LAMU ASAP


Jobs can only happen if we focus on export - otherwise local poor economy cannot create jobs beyond certain limit.

I think our key focus should be local demand not export driven.

We have about 32,000 primary schools X 300 pupils each X 0.05 Grams per child per day X 20 Days a month X 9 months a year That would translate to about 30 Million Tonnes of grains (combined rice maize beans njahi grams).

The issue would be how do you build local production 30MN Tonnes per year?The logistics (Warehousing Storage Transport IT systems plants and machinery) It would create leaps and bounds.

Interns of Textile.If we have about 6MN pupils in primary schools..That would create demand of between 500K tonnes of cotton annually.

When you look at these two,The potential is for LOCAL DEMAND NOT EXPORT based which fluctuates with global markets.Thats how nations like USA develop...Government  gives food stamps/tickets for locally produced food or essentials and spurs demand.

I don't have time for stupid arguments.

i was looking for this thread.
Now sakaja and ruto want to give food to every school going child,next should be uniform and shoes.
The food (grains maize beans njahi farmers) clothes (cotton and factories) shoes (leather industry) should employ alot of farmers

https://nipate.net/index.php?topic=15669.0

I THINK EVERYBODY CAN SEE HOW STUPID YOUR ARE

[RV Pundit]

You're the idiot.
School feeding will do many things but employ very few people.
Mass employment will come from affordable housing, manufacturing, agriculture.

SFP will help poor students stay at school and concentrate.

It not about jobs idiot.

i was looking for this thread.
Now sakaja and ruto want to give food to every school going child,next should be uniform and shoes.
The food (grains maize beans njahi farmers) clothes (cotton and factories) shoes (leather industry) should employ alot of farmers

https://nipate.net/index.php?topic=15669.0

I THINK EVERYBODY CAN SEE HOW STUPID YOUR ARE

[Githunguri]

Foolish man ever arguing for the sake to prove how brilliant you are...RUBBISH

good we have records.

[Georgesoros]

If administered corruption free, this is good policy.