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Munya and his Tiganias are also claiming they were conned
« on: April 21, 2022, 01:11:19 PM »
Jamaa should have resigned - sasa he is facing jobleness for 5yrs :) 


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Re: Munya and his Tiganias are also claiming they were conned
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2022, 09:24:20 AM »
 :D :D Apparently gatheca has told Munya that he can't be picked because Martha Koome is CJ and if he is DP and being form same kabila eti it will make other Kenyans angry.
Well Munya will be a spanner boy for the Kenyatta's for 5 years and no guarantee he can make a political comeback.
Tigania obviously feel short changed but I guess gatheca had everybody including other aspirants high with false promises. Munya now need come back to his Tigania demand government arm them in their fight against somalis in border areas,it total war on daily basis with Tigania outgunned.
Maoka Maore on the other hand made sure he got arms for his Igembe and several GSU Posts,so at least he has reaped well from government,Munya need do the same now nothing else for him

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Re: Munya and his Tiganias are also claiming they were conned
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2022, 09:31:04 AM »
But why would two senior politician like Munya and Kiraitu allow Uhuru to play them like kids.
They both look set to retire...after miscalculation...of supporting Azimio.
Rather than running around tea and coffee farms trying to sell Azimio - he should ask Matiangi to arm his people - and get  police reservist.
That least he can do before he forced to retire - and deal with graft cases.
I am sure he will be busy in court.
As for working for Gatheca - he aint even in Jubilee :)
He is PNU - which Mureithi Kibaki is keen to edge him out.
Munya will be jobless and broke soon.
:D :D Apparently gatheca has told Munya that he can't be picked because Martha Koome is CJ and if he is DP and being form same kabila eti it will make other Kenyans angry.
Well Munya will be a spanner boy for the Kenyatta's for 5 years and no guarantee he can make a political comeback.
Tigania obviously feel short changed but I guess gatheca had everybody including other aspirants high with false promises. Munya now need come back to his Tigania demand government arm them in their fight against somalis in border areas,it total war on daily basis with Tigania outgunned.
Maoka Maore on the other hand made sure he got arms for his Igembe and several GSU Posts,so at least he has reaped well from government,Munya need do the same now nothing else for him

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Re: Munya and his Tiganias are also claiming they were conned
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2022, 09:42:40 AM »
These people never learn. Kiunjuri was played the same way by Uhuru. Aliwachwa kea mataa infact he was fired . Munya is now past tense . He was removed from running as Governor where he stood a good chance , now with Ruto winning 5th Presidency he should cut his losses and join Ruto . Swallow pride he might even get a Cabinet slot like he did in 2017.
These people dont know Uhuru . He only cares about himself .Next is Kalonzo then Raila . Atawakoroga then he will do a deal with Ruto.

Jamaa should have resigned - sasa he is facing jobleness for 5yrs :) 


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Re: Munya and his Tiganias are also claiming they were conned
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2022, 09:43:17 AM »
Munya, Matiangi, Keter, Kiraitu, and the rest of the bigwigs that miscalculated will suffer dearly outside the government. At least Kiraitu has a chance should he win his seat. Keter and Munya's only hope is for their horses to win. In the event, they lose, they are staring aggressive unforgiving poverty. Outside government is brutal.
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Re: Munya and his Tiganias are also claiming they were conned
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2022, 09:45:21 AM »
These people never learn. Kiunjuri was played the same way by Uhuru. Aliwachwa kea mataa infact he was fired . Munya is now past tense . He was removed from running as Governor where he stood a good chance , now with Ruto winning 5th Presidency he should cut his losses and join Ruto . Swallow pride he might even get a Cabinet slot like he did in 2017.
These people dont know Uhuru . He only cares about himself .Next is Kalonzo then Raila . Atawakoroga then he will do a deal with Ruto.

Jamaa should have resigned - sasa he is facing jobleness for 5yrs :) 

The way he is doing, I believe you. It starts with the Kenyatta empire and ends in the Kenyatta empire with him.
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Re: Munya and his Tiganias are also claiming they were conned
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2022, 09:50:19 AM »
DCI and DPP.  Waiguru even after her husband adviced against joining Ruto decided to bite the bullet and seems it has worked out. Waiguru went from being the most hated politician in Kirinyaga to one who will most likely win Governor. There is a saying that whoever doesnt risk doesnt drink Champaign.
Kiraitu I do believe Covid made him want to retire from politics . He has no qualms retiring this way. Munya thought Luck will call twice like 2017. His hatred against Ruto also blurred him. Where the hatred is coming from only he knows perhaps by Jubilee sponsoring Kiraitu in 2017. Why this anger is not against Kiraitu is just buffling.

But why would two senior politician like Munya and Kiraitu allow Uhuru to play them like kids.
They both look set to retire...after miscalculation...of supporting Azimio.
Rather than running around tea and coffee farms trying to sell Azimio - he should ask Matiangi to arm his people - and get  police reservist.
That least he can do before he forced to retire - and deal with graft cases.
I am sure he will be busy in court.
As for working for Gatheca - he aint even in Jubilee :)
He is PNU - which Mureithi Kibaki is keen to edge him out.
Munya will be jobless and broke soon.
:D :D Apparently gatheca has told Munya that he can't be picked because Martha Koome is CJ and if he is DP and being form same kabila eti it will make other Kenyans angry.
Well Munya will be a spanner boy for the Kenyatta's for 5 years and no guarantee he can make a political comeback.
Tigania obviously feel short changed but I guess gatheca had everybody including other aspirants high with false promises. Munya now need come back to his Tigania demand government arm them in their fight against somalis in border areas,it total war on daily basis with Tigania outgunned.
Maoka Maore on the other hand made sure he got arms for his Igembe and several GSU Posts,so at least he has reaped well from government,Munya need do the same now nothing else for him

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Re: Munya and his Tiganias are also claiming they were conned
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2022, 09:58:00 AM »
These people never learn. Kiunjuri was played the same way by Uhuru. Aliwachwa kea mataa infact he was fired . Munya is now past tense . He was removed from running as Governor where he stood a good chance , now with Ruto winning 5th Presidency he should cut his losses and join Ruto . Swallow pride he might even get a Cabinet slot like he did in 2017.
These people dont know Uhuru . He only cares about himself .Next is Kalonzo then Raila . Atawakoroga then he will do a deal with Ruto.

Jamaa should have resigned - sasa he is facing jobleness for 5yrs :) 

Well said totally spot on. But human nature is to try and trust again to be honest I thought gatheca has changed but guy is ruthless bana,I think he only cares about his mother.
But now the chicken have come home to roost,I personally thought he was becoming a political genius I didn't see it ending this way by way of implosion,at this rate ata Ruto akiacha campaign he will sleep walk to PORK, am giving Mzito that 1Million gap Pundit said or even more. Mzito is looking like a saint at this rate he might be really surprised how things are working out for him effortlessly I think it was fate for it to go this way.

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Re: Munya and his Tiganias are also claiming they were conned
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2022, 10:02:14 AM »
But why would two senior politician like Munya and Kiraitu allow Uhuru to play them like kids.
They both look set to retire...after miscalculation...of supporting Azimio.
Rather than running around tea and coffee farms trying to sell Azimio - he should ask Matiangi to arm his people - and get  police reservist.
That least he can do before he forced to retire - and deal with graft cases.
I am sure he will be busy in court.
As for working for Gatheca - he aint even in Jubilee :)
He is PNU - which Mureithi Kibaki is keen to edge him out.
Munya will be jobless and broke soon.
:D :D Apparently gatheca has told Munya that he can't be picked because Martha Koome is CJ and if he is DP and being form same kabila eti it will make other Kenyans angry.
Well Munya will be a spanner boy for the Kenyatta's for 5 years and no guarantee he can make a political comeback.
Tigania obviously feel short changed but I guess gatheca had everybody including other aspirants high with false promises. Munya now need come back to his Tigania demand government arm them in their fight against somalis in border areas,it total war on daily basis with Tigania outgunned.
Maoka Maore on the other hand made sure he got arms for his Igembe and several GSU Posts,so at least he has reaped well from government,Munya need do the same now nothing else for him
Munya doesn't need to worry about courts he is not corrupt to that level of being harrased he is a smart guy,no scandal on him as compared to Kiraitu. For Kiraitu supporting gatheca was a wrong move possibly kemsa scandal got him scared. Kiraitu will mostly loose the governor position,Munya can cut a deal with Ruto now before its too late and be assured a position in next government. Otherwise it will be end of him politically

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Re: Munya and his Tiganias are also claiming they were conned
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2022, 10:04:07 AM »
Yes only a fool can trust Uhuru; the man doesnt care about anything except Mama Ngina. They are all being taken cleaners - before Uhuru makes a deal with Ruto - and retires.

Why would you trust a retiring politician - unless you want to retire too?

I can understand in 2017 - when Uhuru was running  as incumbent - but why on earth would you trust him 2022 - when he has zero stake - he wins or lose - he doesnt care - he is doing EXPIREMNTAL politics.

Sasa they are just test baloons that Uhuru is playing with and seeing which one can fly - and discarding them.

These people never learn. Kiunjuri was played the same way by Uhuru. Aliwachwa kea mataa infact he was fired . Munya is now past tense . He was removed from running as Governor where he stood a good chance , now with Ruto winning 5th Presidency he should cut his losses and join Ruto . Swallow pride he might even get a Cabinet slot like he did in 2017.
These people dont know Uhuru . He only cares about himself .Next is Kalonzo then Raila . Atawakoroga then he will do a deal with Ruto.

Jamaa should have resigned - sasa he is facing jobleness for 5yrs :) 


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Re: Munya and his Tiganias are also claiming they were conned
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2022, 01:02:32 PM »
Again another thread weeping louder than bereaved.
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Re: Munya and his Tiganias are also claiming they were conned
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2022, 02:02:50 PM »
Again another thread weeping louder than bereaved.

:) They start with the fallacy that Merus and everyone is so angry at Uhuru - blindly taking Itumbi's cue - without any evidence. Their explanations of why seasoned Kiraitu, Munya, Mpuru are all Azimio is EACC/DCI. But how come Waiguru or Muthomi Njuki or Kahiga is not afraid? How come Women Rep Kawira Mwangaza is independent despite months of courting by Ruto? Kawira openly rejected UDA to take on the 2 men 8)

Merus even if they hated Uhuru and/or Raila as falsely peddled here would vote Ruto but still vote Kiraitu or Kawira. They usually vote Kikuyu for PORK but downstream they are independent. This round without a Kikuyu at the top - it is obviously far-fetched to claim they will vote differently.
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Re: Munya and his Tiganias are also claiming they were conned
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2022, 02:07:30 PM »
You disappear - then reappear - without reading previous thread.
As we speak - after one week of being unveiled- Mithika Linturi overtook both Kawira and Kiraitu in opinion polls
Kiraitu lied to Ruto that he was on his way to Kenya Kwanza - gave in to intimidation - but stop-gap Mithika looks likely to win.
Kiraitu if you follow social media of his campaigns - has been bleeding and begging people to vote for him - and not vote Raila.

Again another thread weeping louder than bereaved.

:) They start with the fallacy that Merus and everyone is so angry at Uhuru - blindly taking Itumbi's cue - without any evidence. Their explanations of why seasoned Kiraitu, Munya, Mpuru are all Azimio is EACC/DCI. But how come Waiguru or Muthomi Njuki or Kahiga is not afraid? How come Women Rep Kawira Mwangaza is independent despite months of courting by Ruto? Kawira openly rejected UDA to take on the 2 men 8)

Merus even if they hated Uhuru and/or Raila as falsely peddled here would vote Ruto but still vote Kiraitu or Kawira. They usually vote Kikuyu for PORK but downstream they are independent. This round without a Kikuyu at the top - it is obviously far-fetched to claim they will vote differently.

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Re: Munya and his Tiganias are also claiming they were conned
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2022, 02:11:01 PM »
Ni kama Kiraitu anataka kuingia Kenya Kwanza :) Azimio is NO in meru


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Re: Munya and his Tiganias are also claiming they were conned
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2022, 10:11:36 PM »
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they are staring aggressive unforgiving poverty. Outside government is brutal.

Why is this the case when they are stealing so much? Isn't the whole point of the corruption in Kenya to cushion yourself against financial disaster in case you lose an election?

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Re: Munya and his Tiganias are also claiming they were conned
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2022, 11:54:19 AM »
Appears Kiraitu has hit the final nail in Munyas political carrer,he managed to get arms from government for KPR,Linturinand Mwangaza are now in tight spot,Tigania will start leaning towards Kiraitu
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=5417732451572857&id=1436551106357698

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Re: Munya and his Tiganias are also claiming they were conned
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2022, 02:35:10 PM »
Njuri how comes there are Merus in ISiolo north. I saw you had Mp there in old times. I see Mombasa real estate Mwenda Thuranira is running there?

I would have imagine the South but Isiolo north? or how is divided? I see there is funny strip all the way down


Reading the comments - look like that area will see lots of death - Borana/Somalis are claiming it as their grazing area.

Appears Kiraitu has hit the final nail in Munyas political carrer,he managed to get arms from government for KPR,Linturinand Mwangaza are now in tight spot,Tigania will start leaning towards Kiraitu
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=5417732451572857&id=1436551106357698

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Re: Munya and his Tiganias are also claiming they were conned
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2022, 04:06:05 PM »
Njuri how comes there are Merus in ISiolo north. I saw you had Mp there in old times. I see Mombasa real estate Mwenda Thuranira is running there?

I would have imagine the South but Isiolo north? or how is divided? I see there is funny strip all the way down


Reading the comments - look like that area will see lots of death - Borana/Somalis are claiming it as their grazing area.

Appears Kiraitu has hit the final nail in Munyas political carrer,he managed to get arms from government for KPR,Linturinand Mwangaza are now in tight spot,Tigania will start leaning towards Kiraitu
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=5417732451572857&id=1436551106357698
To start with Borana and somali are external enemies,they are constantly killing each other in isiolo-garisaa/wajir border and in marsabit its a genocide between Borana and Gabra. However when it comes to Merus they are all instantly united against them.
Back to some history that funny strip there that part of isiolo North is where most Merus are all the way to the isiolo town. The town itself is where most population use to reside but things have changed has the warias and borana population grew in the other remote areas of the county just like how warias have recently surprised local kabilas by their population.
So Merus used to rule Isiolo till 1988 when they started losing seats and now only manage MCA as all other kabilas gang up against Merus to vote.
Economically Merus are single dominant force in Isiolo they control business and own land with a chokehold followed by Somalis.
I would understand what warias are saying northern part of Meru is kinda similar to Laikipia which has its own share of conflict as pokots,samburu etc claim it was a grazing zone. However we need to go to history on this,Central Isiolo or Isiolo was part of samburu land but oromo borana managed to kick them out and take it,this area stretched to Northern Meru of today. Before Borana could defeat Samburus, Merus had already defeated them in the late 1800s to kick them out on modern day northern Meru,Merus had even defeated cushitic groups that had tried to venture there too and some that Merus already found there, that's why some place names are borana and somali and as usual Merus lacked the sufficient numbers to properly Man the area and again Merus weren't pastrolalist the area was suitable just for grazing and not farming. So warias etc were able to venture during the dry season and graze their camels and cattle and retreat back to Isiolo,wajir and garissa during rainy season there. Merus didn't mind this as they were paid a kind of tax by them and the relationship grew over the centuries. .
But now with population pressure Merus started moving into the areas that they didn't regard as fertile before and slowly but surely they established themselves into villages,so when warias etc could come dry season conflicts started arising as Merus had now settled and were farming. The warias couldn't understand this and saw it as a form of betrayal they still paid tax to Meru villages but now the grazing was shorter and limited. So the culmination of this is whats happening now. Warias also had settled on border area with Merus as they now formed more permanent locations instead of moving to and from long distances.
The situation is just a part of the rise of population and pressure on resources,Warias most likely will loose this as Merus aren't type to run from their areas, once merus make a settlement its permanent you can kill 5,10,20 Merus but tomorrow morning you still find survivors tilling the soil as if nothing happened, further more since land is scarce the big fish want to grab that land their for themselves so eventually you will find ranches like the ones in Laikipia but also New mushrooming towns will appear in the Meru north.
Also worth remembering is Isiolo.town was part of Nyambene but the colonialist moved it to Isiolo county just before independence and this was a lease to end in year 2000,Merus demaded Moi hand it back but never did,this is a sticking issues to Merus and many still demand it be taken back to Meru county,so its a tricky mess Meru word for Isiolo.is actually Thiuru

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Re: Munya and his Tiganias are also claiming they were conned
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2022, 04:25:10 PM »
Thanks man. This is a gem.That is very in-depth and insightful.
In campus I had meru friend from huko north - plus the guy from imenti (from Kiraitu home) - and they had this curl hair - lots of them - look like half meru half wariah.
Yes I see lots of conflict going forward...over pasture & water.
It may make sense for gov to provide at least piped water for cattle, camels and ships.
Eventually pastoralist need to sell their cows and buy grass (hay)....or start to make them during rainy season.
Kenya gov I wonder why It cannot really invest in water - rather than investing money in all useless projects.
Water is life. Once there is water - then there is life.



To start with Borana and somali are external enemies,they are constantly killing each other in isiolo-garisaa/wajir border and in marsabit its a genocide between Borana and Gabra. However when it comes to Merus they are all instantly united against them.
Back to some history that funny strip there that part of isiolo North is where most Merus are all the way to the isiolo town. The town itself is where most population use to reside but things have changed has the warias and borana population grew in the other remote areas of the county just like how warias have recently surprised local kabilas by their population.
So Merus used to rule Isiolo till 1988 when they started losing seats and now only manage MCA as all other kabilas gang up against Merus to vote.
Economically Merus are single dominant force in Isiolo they control business and own land with a chokehold followed by Somalis.
I would understand what warias are saying northern part of Meru is kinda similar to Laikipia which has its own share of conflict as pokots,samburu etc claim it was a grazing zone. However we need to go to history on this,Central Isiolo or Isiolo was part of samburu land but oromo borana managed to kick them out and take it,this area stretched to Northern Meru of today. Before Borana could defeat Samburus, Merus had already defeated them in the late 1800s to kick them out on modern day northern Meru,Merus had even defeated cushitic groups that had tried to venture there too and some that Merus already found there, that's why some place names are borana and somali and as usual Merus lacked the sufficient numbers to properly Man the area and again Merus weren't pastrolalist the area was suitable just for grazing and not farming. So warias etc were able to venture during the dry season and graze their camels and cattle and retreat back to Isiolo,wajir and garissa during rainy season there. Merus didn't mind this as they were paid a kind of tax by them and the relationship grew over the centuries. .
But now with population pressure Merus started moving into the areas that they didn't regard as fertile before and slowly but surely they established themselves into villages,so when warias etc could come dry season conflicts started arising as Merus had now settled and were farming. The warias couldn't understand this and saw it as a form of betrayal they still paid tax to Meru villages but now the grazing was shorter and limited. So the culmination of this is whats happening now. Warias also had settled on border area with Merus as they now formed more permanent locations instead of moving to and from long distances.
The situation is just a part of the rise of population and pressure on resources,Warias most likely will loose this as Merus aren't type to run from their areas, once merus make a settlement its permanent you can kill 5,10,20 Merus but tomorrow morning you still find survivors tilling the soil as if nothing happened, further more since land is scarce the big fish want to grab that land their for themselves so eventually you will find ranches like the ones in Laikipia but also New mushrooming towns will appear in the Meru north.
Also worth remembering is Isiolo.town was part of Nyambene but the colonialist moved it to Isiolo county just before independence and this was a lease to end in year 2000,Merus demaded Moi hand it back but never did,this is a sticking issues to Merus and many still demand it be taken back to Meru county,so its a tricky mess Meru word for Isiolo.is actually Thiuru

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Re: Munya and his Tiganias are also claiming they were conned
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2022, 05:49:31 PM »
Once mwafrika tames nature through water harvesting, rural poverty is arrested. Food security assured. Peace.

Egypt seems to have done it.

So far I have seen Thiba (11b) and Karimenu (24b) are harvesting. Despite probably 400 b into water ministry since 2013.

Seems contractor for North Collector Tunnel (7b) went mute. Thwake last time I saw auditor general claim ahi river waters are toxic. Kimwarer, Arror, Itare- petty politics killed them. It is only expressway conceived over lunch that was done 24-7!

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