Deep state warned not even think stealing a kalenjin vote

[RV Pundit]

What reforms have been done now? Chebukati is still there. Chiloba is back at CA. Deputy CO is still there? There is no single election related law or reform at IEBC since then.

Raila knew he lost - not by small margin - by whooping 2 million votes.

Well let see this time round -he has deep state and system - 2013 he was chief procuremnt officer for IEBC - doing gov to gov deal that brought french/canadian companies - that hosted 2013/2017 servers/tech- and OSwago from Bondo was CEO - he still lost.

When people LOSE by 2 MILLION VOTES: They need to concede defeat.

That is an overwhelming defeat.

NASA had what - 100 MPs?

IEBC moved heavens to frustrate their petition which painted them as horribly biased. It was pointless going back with then without minimum reforms.

[vooke]

Babu got illusion of what was stolen from him in the handshake.

Looter, who was part of this grand theft is peeing in his pants with worry that the boot is on the other hoof

What reforms have been done now? Chebukati is still there. Chiloba is back at CA. Deputy CO is still there? There is no single election related law or reform at IEBC since then.

Raila knew he lost - not by small margin - by whooping 2 million votes.

Well let see this time round -he has deep state and system - 2013 he was chief procuremnt officer for IEBC and OSwago from Bondo was CEO - he still lost.

IEBC moved heavens to frustrate their petition which painted them as horribly biased. It was pointless going back with then without minimum reforms.

[mankind]

MOAS that I have didnt have final registered. But there were projection of increase voters - I am not sure where I got the data - but Central for example I projected 23 percent increase in registered votes from 2005 referendum. Those days getting data from ECK was not easy.

Which cheranganyi - when Kalenjin were totally against Kibaki - except maybe some pokots.

Kibaki rigged pure and simple. Some exit poll had him 6 percent below Raila.

Everyone saw Kibaki brazen rigging - people protested - and war like no other broke out.

It was BRAZEN ON YOUR FACE rigging. RO switched their phones off - and Kivuitu could not reach them - what do you think they were doing

The defence that ODM also rigged is not true...due to turnout.

I had studied turnout from 92, 97, 2002 and 2005 - some places in Luo Nyanza had in all those election turned out at 96 percent every election - for example Nyatike.

   Do you have the registered voters by province then compare with the results.  As I pointed out earlier central alone had almost the combined registered voters of RV plus Luo  Nyanza.  Remember the same RV had Nakuru and Trans Nzoia , pokot and Turkana which didn't vote for ODM or where they did the numbers weren't huge.  Kirwa for example lost cherangany due to a split among the same supporters.  The same scenario happened in many places thus the majority mps for ODM.

   Exit polls in Kenya are laughable so please don't go  there. Opinion polls depend upon who pays or political affiliation of the owners.  Reality is registered numbers compared to actual elections. 

[RV Pundit]

Raila apart from motorcade and two appointment to moribund bodies has got nothing. Uhuru is minting billions.

Ruto has been in the system since Moi era. He knows everything.

Stealing from him will be harder than hard. It has to be done 2007 - Kibaki style - kifua style - then Kenya burns again.

Babu got illusion of what was stolen from him in the handshake.

Looter, who was part of this grand theft is peeing in his pants with worry that the boot is on the other hoof

[RV Pundit]

What do you mean registered votes.  The was nothing outstanding in central figures from 2005 to 2007
1) Central had 23 percent increase to I think 2million votes
2) Coast had 18 percent increase to 1.1m votes.
3) Nyanza had 2m
5) Eastern about 2m
6) RV about 3.2m
7) Western about 1.5m
Nairobi about 1.2m
9) NEP was less than 0.2m

   Exit polls in Kenya are laughable so please don't go  there. Opinion polls depend upon who pays or political affiliation of the owners.  Reality is registered numbers compared to actual elections. 

[mankind]

   I  found some publication that gives some insight on the 07 election. I will post a link later.

[GeeMail]

Rigged with abandon 2007 - 2022.

[RV Pundit]

This is better. I wish I can get final MOAS.

I believe massive rigging happened in Central+Meru (Mt kenya counties) - the rigging was two fold - inflate Kibaki numbers - deflate Raila.  For instance in MOAS for Central I had kibaki getting 94 percent (because of Kiambu and such areas) - he ended up with 98 percent...if you check Uhuru's 2013 figures...it more 94 (Kiambu he got 90 percent)...elsewhere he was doing 96.

http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/polisci/wgape/papers/18_Long.pdf

   I  found some publication that gives some insight on the 07 election. I will post a link later.

[RV Pundit]

If you check exit poll - it very close to rough MOAS (still looking for final december one). You can see massive rigging in NEP.

   MOASS      
   MK   RR   KM
Central   94   4   2
Coast   33   56%   11
Eastern   45   12   44
Nairobi   41   50   9
NEP   26   72   3
Nyanza   85   12   3
RV   33   65   5
Western   19   77   2
         
Raila   4,164,009   49
Kibaki   3,406,445   40
Kalonzo   908,824   11
   8,479,278   100


 In seven out of eight provinces, the ECK awards more votes to Kibaki than the exit poll.

[RV Pundit]

[RV Pundit]

Kibaki rigged almost all PNU areas.

[vooke]

The fact that Babu sold himself short is no argument against rigging. He just succumbed to UhuRuto's pennies and his own vanity

Raila apart from motorcade and two appointment to moribund bodies has got nothing. Uhuru is minting billions.

Ruto has been in the system since Moi era. He knows everything.

Stealing from him will be harder than hard. It has to be done 2007 - Kibaki style - kifua style - then Kenya burns again.

Babu got illusion of what was stolen from him in the handshake.

Looter, who was part of this grand theft is peeing in his pants with worry that the boot is on the other hoof

[RV Pundit]

There is no evidence Babu has ever presented against being rigged that passed the muster in 2013 and 2017. What I have seen are academic work done that flag anomalies in few areas of NEP.

2013 - was okayed by all observers, media, supreme court - as being free and fair. Not perfect. Possibly UhuRuto rig NEP votes to cross 50 percent.

2017 - supreme court found no evidence of rigging - just a messed up transmission system. They hanged IEBC for procedural mess - but nobody has presented evidence showing Uhuru rigged in this area or that area.

Moi used to rig but did a clean job. Kibaki was basically a coup - he kidnapped ROS - appointed commissioners to alter results - everyone saw it - observers, medias, kenyans - and it was brazen and outrageous. It lead to PEV.

Kibaki is luckly because US supported him after Raila crossed the redline by entering MOU with hardline muslim accused of terror and promised to not enact anti-terror law.

If Raila had not done that - Kibaki would have been forced to the wall by US and EU jointly - and Kenyans - and of course Raila is a coward - who gave up his stolen victory.

If 2007 was to be pulled in 2022 - you can bet Ruto will fight to the bitter end - and that would be huge civil war.

The fact that Babu sold himself short is no argument against rigging. He just succumbed to UhuRuto's pennies and his own vanity

[vooke]

2013 petition was shot down on technicalities with evidence being time barred but I generally don't believe Babu was rigged.

2017 monkey business was all it took to nulify. A deliberately broken system, taking out Msando...you can't be this obtuse

There is no evidence Babu has ever presented against being rigged that passed the muster in 2013 and 2017. What I have seen are academic work done that flag anomalies in few areas of NEP.

2013 - was okayed by all observers, media, supreme court - as being free and fair. Not perfect. Possibly UhuRuto rig NEP votes to cross 50 percent.

2017 - supreme court found no evidence of rigging - just a messed up transmission system. They hanged IEBC for procedural mess - but nobody has presented evidence showing Uhuru rigged in this area or that area.

Moi used to rig but did a clean job. Kibaki was basically a coup - he kidnapped ROS - appointed commissioners to alter results - everyone saw it - observers, medias, kenyans - and it was brazen and outrageous. It lead to PEV.

Kibaki is luckly because US supported him after Raila crossed the redline by entering MOU with hardline muslim accused of terror and promised to not enact anti-terror law.

If Raila had not done that - Kibaki would have been forced to the wall by US and EU jointly - and Kenyans - and of course Raila is a coward - who gave up his stolen victory.

If 2007 was to be pulled in 2022 - you can bet Ruto will fight to the bitter end - and that would be huge civil war.

The fact that Babu sold himself short is no argument against rigging. He just succumbed to UhuRuto's pennies and his own vanity

[mankind]

Kibaki rigged almost all PNU areas.
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  Now do the same for ODM then we compare.  If I recall correctly some places in ODM areas returned more than 100%. Remember most PNU  party agents were chased away in opposition areas so no one was present.  There was so much animosity towards government from all corners including the media then. Raila had gone around preaching kabila adui and 41 vs 1 to a point that the only outcome acceptable was his win. As your moas points out looking at it side by side with the election results PNU regardless of rigging had huge support starting with its own strongholds of central, upper Eastern and greater Nakuru with its huge kikuyu diaspora.  That fact is always overlooked by people who assume RV is kamatusa. It is the same myth about jubilee government being 2 tribes.  Most folks believe that bull some don't understand that kalenjin alone is several sub tribes.  The  truth about 2007 is somewhere between massive rigging by both parties but with Kibaki winning with a small margin.  Polls were all over.  In that piece three polls showed he was ahead.  Am sure ODM had their polls too.  Exit polling in a country where people can't show you directions without asking for something is laughable at best.   Lying plus  exaggeration in Kenya is the norm.

   

[Nowayhaha]

We had done this before . Raila rigged akin to a thief shouting shika Mwizi yule pale and he is the real thief.

Compare the turnouts between different regions in below link and you will see where the elections were rigged.

https://nipate.net/index.php?topic=10953.0

Tell me where on earth  the below voter turn out can happen. And it happened in one region - This was systemic . Not related to any Ruto and violence in Rift Valley.
Mt Kenya hold Raila accountable of 2007 P.E.V. nothing to do with Ruto .Dont turn this thread to a violence thread which is your habit once your myths are debunked .

Karachuonyo-Turnout       95.37 %
Ndhiwa -Turnout        93.74 %
Nyatike -Turnout       94.83 %
Mbita -Turnout       95.57 %
Gwassi -Turnout        92.68 %

[mankind]

There is no evidence Babu has ever presented against being rigged that passed the muster in 2013 and 2017. What I have seen are academic work done that flag anomalies in few areas of NEP.

2013 - was okayed by all observers, media, supreme court - as being free and fair. Not perfect. Possibly UhuRuto rig NEP votes to cross 50 percent.

2017 - supreme court found no evidence of rigging - just a messed up transmission system. They hanged IEBC for procedural mess - but nobody has presented evidence showing Uhuru rigged in this area or that area.

Moi used to rig but did a clean job. Kibaki was basically a coup - he kidnapped ROS - appointed commissioners to alter results - everyone saw it - observers, medias, kenyans - and it was brazen and outrageous. It lead to PEV.

Kibaki is luckly because US supported him after Raila crossed the redline by entering MOU with hardline muslim accused of terror and promised to not enact anti-terror law.

If Raila had not done that - Kibaki would have been forced to the wall by US and EU jointly - and Kenyans - and of course Raila is a coward - who gave up his stolen victory.

If 2007 was to be pulled in 2022 - you can bet Ruto will fight to the bitter end - and that would be huge civil war.

The fact that Babu sold himself short is no argument against rigging. He just succumbed to UhuRuto's pennies and his own vanity

  The US under Bush didnt have time for Raila. 2007 was a way for the European companies that had lost contracts under Kibaki led by the UK to exert revenge. Remember Murungaro giving police Toyota land cruisers taking away land rovers and the next thing the UK barred him from passing through London essentially making it difficult for him to travel. Rumour had it that Landrover gave ODM about 166 million during the elections campaign.Bush even congratulated Kibaki  at first then pulled it back. ODM only got traction with the US because of Dr Sally Kosgei who knew then Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice from Stanford. Without Rv support Raila is/was an empty shell.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

There is no evidence Babu has ever presented against being rigged that passed the muster in 2013 and 2017. What I have seen are academic work done that flag anomalies in few areas of NEP.

2013 - was okayed by all observers, media, supreme court - as being free and fair. Not perfect. Possibly UhuRuto rig NEP votes to cross 50 percent.

2017 - supreme court found no evidence of rigging - just a messed up transmission system. They hanged IEBC for procedural mess - but nobody has presented evidence showing Uhuru rigged in this area or that area.

Moi used to rig but did a clean job. Kibaki was basically a coup - he kidnapped ROS - appointed commissioners to alter results - everyone saw it - observers, medias, kenyans - and it was brazen and outrageous. It lead to PEV.

Kibaki is luckly because US supported him after Raila crossed the redline by entering MOU with hardline muslim accused of terror and promised to not enact anti-terror law.

If Raila had not done that - Kibaki would have been forced to the wall by US and EU jointly - and Kenyans - and of course Raila is a coward - who gave up his stolen victory.

If 2007 was to be pulled in 2022 - you can bet Ruto will fight to the bitter end - and that would be huge civil war.

The fact that Babu sold himself short is no argument against rigging. He just succumbed to UhuRuto's pennies and his own vanity

I haven't see the evidence that it was messed up.  Can you share a link?  It worked just fine in the rerun.

[Kadudu]

Where have you been all this time to start spreading rumours?
The US government did congratualte Kibaki on his win in 2007 and just to make a retreat after it noticed the blunder it had made.
If the IEBC chairman could not say who won the presidential election then, who are you to declare Kibaki won?

Btw, Chris Murungaru was broke by the time in 2002 when Kibaki won the election. By 2004 the man was a multi-millionaire. If he was barred from traveling to the UK then it was because of his known corrupt dealings. Even Kibaki had to fire the greedy man.

The US under Bush didnt have time for Raila. 2007 was a way for the European companies that had lost contracts under Kibaki led by the UK to exert revenge. Remember Murungaro giving police Toyota land cruisers taking away land rovers and the next thing the UK barred him from passing through London essentially making it difficult for him to travel. Rumour had it that Landrover gave ODM about 166 million during the elections campaign.Bush even congratulated Kibaki  at first then pulled it back. ODM only got traction with the US because of Dr Sally Kosgei who knew then Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice from Stanford. Without Rv support Raila is/was an empty shell.

[RV Pundit]

IEBC discountinue the provisional results because it was nice to have - and yet 5 judges hanged them. Ojwang and PNU judge Njoki dissenting opinion is all you need to read.

Post 2017 supreme court - IEBC have basically abandoned electronic transmission publicly - so that is sad thing. NASA and Judges took offence over provisional results mistakes...instead of improving it...IEBC has basically abandoned it.

Now we really on Itumbi and URA provisional tallying to know what is going on.

I haven't see the evidence that it was messed up.  Can you share a link?  It worked just fine in the rerun.