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Ruto is Rigged Out
« on: August 22, 2021, 10:12:59 PM »
This is after both Diasporan and Central Okoyus overwhelmingly voting for him.

Where will Kalenjins direct their anger?

What about Okoyus? Can they afford sustained lawlessness, and if yes, in what direction? Looting Brookside?
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Re: Ruto is Rigged Out
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2021, 10:27:36 PM »
A candidate can lose even if he were to win GEMA and Kalenjin 100%.  The demographics permit it, last time I checked. 

That said, with Kales being the only ones ready to die for the thief,  I doubt there would be any out of control violence.
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Re: Ruto is Rigged Out
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2021, 10:27:58 PM »
To whoever rigged Ruto out. If it Raila - the battle will shift to West. If it's Uhuru for Raila benefit - I think Central will start a class war - while kalenjin will most likely battle west - luhya,gusii and luos.

That is the nature of our tribal politics. In 2007 - Kalenjin and Luo gangs were working together in urban areas. Come next battle - it could be Kikuyu and Kalenjin gangs battling Luos in urban areas.

Overall the Luhya and Gusii diaspora will suffer the most - unlike Luos they are settled in RV land - Matiangi will be blamed and lots of poor gusii will suffer for nothing - and Luhya have lot of people in Nandi/Uasingishu/transzoia/mt elgon who could be in trouble too - but that will depend on where Luhyas are and who they voted for. I dont see Nandis be "nice" to them if they would have voted against Ruto and who then rigged out.

Luos are mostly in urban area - and in border conflict - they will be able to defend themselves - the diaspora community settled in RV have very little in defense(kikuyu,gusii, and luyha are most vulnerable) - they can be surrounded from all corners.


In my home area - the Luos were one identifying house for Gusii - in the tea estate

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Re: Ruto is Rigged Out
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2021, 10:43:07 PM »
To whoever rigged Ruto out. If it Raila - the battle will shift to West. If it's Uhuru for Raila benefit - I think Central will start a class war - while kalenjin will most likely battle west - luhya,gusii and luos.

That is the nature of our tribal politics. In 2007 - Kalenjin and Luo gangs were working together in urban areas. Come next battle - it could be Kikuyu and Kalenjin gangs battling Luos in urban areas.

Overall the Luhya and Gusii diaspora will suffer the most - unlike Luos they are settled in RV land - Matiangi will be blamed and lots of poor gusii will suffer for nothing - and Luhya have lot of people in Nandi/Uasingishu/transzoia/mt elgon who could be in trouble too - but that will depend on where Luhyas are and who they voted for. I dont see Nandis be "nice" to them if they would have voted against Ruto and who then rigged out.

Luos are mostly in urban area - and in border conflict - they will be able to defend themselves - the diaspora community settled in RV have very little in defens(kikuyu,gusii, and luyha are most vulnerable)


In my home area - the Luos were one identifying house for Gusii - in the tea estate


2008 40 Vs 1  formula won't work.

Ruto will have some support from every tribe
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Re: Ruto is Rigged Out
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2021, 10:45:43 PM »
If Ruto is beaten square - he will concede. If rigged out and supreme court doesnt overturn. it will be chaos.
It very likely to go 1992.
Kalenjin in 1992 - attacked all communities save for Maasai.
This was because Luos, Luhyas, Gusii and Kikuyus were all in opposition to Moi
Kalenjin have the ability to sustain warfare in all corners.
2008 40 Vs 1  formula won't work.

Ruto will have some support from every tribe

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Re: Ruto is Rigged Out
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2021, 10:46:08 PM »
A candidate can lose even if he were to win GEMA and Kalenjin 100%.  The demographics permit it, last time I checked. 

That said, with Kales being the only ones ready to die for the thief,  I doubt there would be any out of control violence.

Agreed

Uhunye lost.

They would at most burn tires
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Re: Ruto is Rigged Out
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2021, 10:49:06 PM »
You're joking if you think Kalenjin are people to burn tires.
Once Kalenjin decide to go to war - it's serious war.
It's not 100 people - it almost 7 million people


Agreed

Uhunye lost.

They would at most burn tires

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Re: Ruto is Rigged Out
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2021, 10:49:58 PM »
If Ruto is beaten square - he will concede. If rigged out and supreme court doesnt overturn. it will be chaos.
It very likely to go 1992.
Kalenjin in 1992 - attacked all communities save for Maasai.
This was because Luos, Luhyas, Gusii and Kikuyus were all in opposition to Moi
2008 40 Vs 1  formula won't work.

Ruto will have some support from every tribe

That's why I said RIGGED out.

In 1992 Moi looked the other way, which is perhaps why this fantasy of "war-like tribe" evolved from.

I want you to put Ruto in Raila's shoes in both 2008 and 2017.
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Re: Ruto is Rigged Out
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2021, 10:51:43 PM »
When Koitatel Samoei battle British in 1900 - was Moi the president.
I am here to help you guys understand Kalenjin war machine.
It's not a joke.
I have seen it twice - in 1992 - and 2007.
Kalenjin once they decide to go to war - everything stops - and everyone is almost forced to participate.
We had to hide several in our home.

Dont even think about it - Kalenjin now has 2 million jobless hopeless youths - that is a powder keg.

At least with Moi - kalenjin had jobs

That is why Kibaki had to call Kenya Army to help - and that was Raila thing.For kalenjin this was pro-borno service to help Raila.

Now imagining rigging Ruto  - BOSS

That's why I said RIGGED out.

In 1992 Moi looked the other way, which is perhaps why this fantasy of "war-like tribe" evolved from.

I want you to put Ruto in Raila's shoes in both 2008 and 2017.

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Re: Ruto is Rigged Out
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2021, 10:55:16 PM »
You're joking if you think Kalenjin are people to burn tires.
Once Kalenjin decide to go to war - it's serious war.
It's not 100 people - it almost 7 million people


Agreed

Uhunye lost.

They would at most burn tires

They would be swatted like fruit flies
 
They are no terrain hardened Pokot with zero attachments to the earth

Would Ruto call for mass action, or is he naively counting on his 'warriors' to force a power sharing?
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Re: Ruto is Rigged Out
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2021, 10:57:28 PM »
Kalenjin are trained in warfare.
If you come with guns and helicopters - they fight you at night; ask the British
That is how Nandi were able to fight Brits for 15yrs.
Kalenjin are very adapt in night time warfare. This is where military training is done - at night -
During the day - they will be sleeping and hiding in forests.
At night - even the police will run.
They would be swatted like fruit flies
 
They are no terrain hardened Pokot with zero attachments to the earth

Would Ruto call for mass action, or is he naively counting on his 'warriors' to force a power sharing?

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Re: Ruto is Rigged Out
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2021, 10:57:59 PM »
When Koitatel Samoei battle British in 1900 - was Moi the president.
I am here to help you guys understand Kalenjin war machine.
It's not a joke.
I have seen it twice - in 1992 - and 2007.
Kalenjin once they decide to go to war - everything stops - and everyone is almost forced to participate.
We had to hide several in our home.

Dont even think about it - Kalenjin now has 2 million jobless hopeless youths - that is a powder keg.

At least with Moi - kalenjin had jobs

That is why Kibaki had to call Kenya Army to help - and that was Raila thing.For kalenjin this was pro-borno service to help Raila.

Now imagining rigging Ruto  - BOSS

That's why I said RIGGED out.

In 1992 Moi looked the other way, which is perhaps why this fantasy of "war-like tribe" evolved from.

I want you to put Ruto in Raila's shoes in both 2008 and 2017.

War is not rounding up isolated pockets of foreigners in your midst.

Remember Okoyus voted for Ruto but Uhunye finyas him. Who would they wage war against?
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: Ruto is Rigged Out
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2021, 11:00:51 PM »
Well that is the reality - there are immigrants communities- who become easy target.
Of course Kalenjin will still attack border communities - but at least they will be able to defend themselves - with help of kenya police

But dont imagine this will be 1000 people - this will be millions of people from all corners of kalenjin land - all rising at once.

That is 2007 - 0.6M people were evicted in 3 days

Once a war cry is sounded - within an hour - just expect almost every kalenjin in warrior ageset - Kaplelach was 92 - Kipnyige in 2007 - and now Nyongi is new one - is suppose to assemble and go to war. Everyone else will do their job to assist.

That is war infrastructure I am talking about. It's no Kondele throwing stones.

They will battle with kenya police at night - but if they get guns - then they will do it 24hrs.

War is not rounding up isolated pockets of foreigners in your midst.

Remember Okoyus voted for Ruto but Uhunye finyas him. Who would they wage war against?

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Re: Ruto is Rigged Out
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2021, 11:06:05 PM »
Well that is the reality - there are immigrants communities- who become easy target.
Of course Kalenjin will still attack border communities - but at least they will be able to defend themselves - with help of kenya police

But dont imagine this will be 1000 people - this will be millions of people from all corners of kalenjin land - all rising at once.

That is 2007 - 0.6M people were evicted in 3 days

War is not rounding up isolated pockets of foreigners in your midst.

Remember Okoyus voted for Ruto but Uhunye finyas him. Who would they wage war against?

Do you see the myth of diaspora Okoyu pawns?

They are safe if Ruto wins

They are safe if Ruto is rigged out

Uhunye can't possibly factor them in his plans
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Re: Ruto is Rigged Out
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2021, 11:12:21 PM »
It really depend. If they vote for Ruto - they will be safe.
Or they could become like Gusii in 2007 - damned either way.
Gusii voted largely for ODM - but somehow Kalenjin (Kipsigis) still attacked them.
In my place - PNU in a tea estate polling station - got I think 111 votes out of 700 - tea estate is mixed kalenjn,luos, gusii.
It was concluded that 111 were gusii - and they were attacked.
After that all chiefs and ass chiefs were also attacked.
As we were hidding our gusii workers; our neighberhour was hosting a chief and his family - who had escaped. All chiefs and dos officers were burnt or ranscaked.
They had been called by Kibaki for PNU meeting and told to assist in getting votes.

After that - they started on kalenjin PNU - my father was to be next if Koffi Anana peace talks collapsed.

So they are only safe if Ruto wins.

If Uhuru loves his people - dont rig out Ruto. And Matiangi better be moved - he is endangering many Gusii people lives

As for strategy wise - it will either be secession - or federalism plus nusu mkate.

Kalenjin have toyed with seccession for some time - this was Plan B under Moi - and Moi was building Eldoret to be next Capital of Kalenjin nation.

2008 Raila was told to go to Eldoret and swear himself - he chicken out.

Do you see the myth of diaspora Okoyu pawns?

They are safe if Ruto wins

They are safe if Ruto is rigged out

Uhunye can't possibly factor them in his plans

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Re: Ruto is Rigged Out
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2021, 11:24:53 PM »
Anyway let hope for the best - and pray for Uhuru to be wise.
Otherwise I see within a day more more than one million evicted
People lifetime investment razed to the ground if they cannot be looted.
Dont hope kenya police will help - they will not be able to handle humanitarian crisis
And all roads will be blocked within few hours.

That is just the nature of the beast - and I am here to help folks understand - so you dont come and say we are not aware - ooho kabuga -- ohoo it was planned.

Kalenjin in their millions will erupt in an organized military manner in very short time in very many areas.

Dont be fooled by the volcano - it's very active - Ruto has raised it's temperature with hope of past political looting glory comeback- and it will likely erupt unless Ruto loses in the most fair and free manner imaginable.

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Re: Ruto is Rigged Out
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2021, 12:08:38 AM »
Ruto will be stopped from running by the same courts that killed BBI, chapter six will be invoked. If this happens, I want to see everyone accept and celebrate our independent judiciary.

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Re: Ruto is Rigged Out
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2021, 12:30:03 AM »
As long as he is disqualified fairly - with many others who have violated chapter six. Otherwise, remember Ruto is already the president of Kalenjin Nation. You don't want to go to war with another nation.

It is important for LOW IQ people to understand that the best way to stop Ruto is a Free, Fair, and Credible Election. It can be done. You need to campaign on issues and try to catch up - otherwise Ruto's lead may become unassaillable.

If you cannot - prepare to hand over power to Ruto - he does his 5yrs - and maybe another - and someone else come - and Kenya remain united.

It also possible he could drop dead anytime - and you problem disappear :) As long as cause of death is natural - no one will cry foul play.

If you are not prepared to have ruto as pork - then clearly you're not prepared to have kenya as united country - and you want kenya to be split into tribal  states.

Ruto will be stopped from running by the same courts that killed BBI, chapter six will be invoked. If this happens, I want to see everyone accept and celebrate our independent judiciary.

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Re: Ruto is Rigged Out
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2021, 01:04:04 AM »
Until this system ends - dont goad kalenjin nation into war

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Re: Ruto is Rigged Out
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2021, 02:30:26 AM »