Author Topic: No Kenyan politician can hold a candle to my dad – Tom Mboya’s son  (Read 5557 times)

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Very nice. In 1990 - I read Tom Mboya biography and I was really impressed. Later of course I have come to know his full story. He was a man ahead of his time. That is why Kiambu mafia had to kill him.


Tom Mboya is an African Icon - what he did not only for the Kenya, Africa and black race will forever remain iconic - and he did it at such young age it unbelievable.

Listen to this depth of thinking. Maybe only Kibaki could measure up.

One can call Tom Mboya names, but he was never linked to any land grabbing that was taking place although he was high up in the Kenyatta regime at that time. No where was his name ever mentioned in any scheme to loot public funds.
Pundit calls Tom Mboya elitist. Tom Mboya was a people's man. Even my simple father who was a teacher at that time was able to visit Mboya's house in Lavington. Mboya like many Luos was always smartly dressed. The man spoke Luo, Kikuyu, Swahili and English fluently and that in the 1960's.
As of being a CIA spy, this was the way to brandmark Mboya and get rid of him after he had helped Kenyatta and his Kiambu mafia get rid of Jaramogi. Paul Ngei even went as far as denoucing Mboya as an American spy in the Kenyan parliament. Ngei was himself a man without any personal or public morals and was just out to please Kenyatta in order to save his own skin. Mboya had very good to the US governement and other US organisations as it was through him many Kenyans got their education in the US in the late 50's and early 60's.

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Muguka addict don't make this personal. Mboya is a historical figure not your father. He could not hack it among his Luo cousins but you want us to believe he had worked up Gema enough to scare Jomo? He was obviously a great orator and over-achiever, doesn't wash away his inability to outdo Jaramogi mashinani. Be objective.

How is mutumba business? Glad to see you are able to type something beyond the 10 one-liner threads a day.

You are wrong. His genuine admiration among Gema was what scared the hell out of Jomo and his clique. The admiration was NOT because he aligned himself to Jomo. The Gema folks sensed something real about him. Call it charisma. Call it non-tribal authenticity. Call it whatever. They liked him. It had nothing to do with Jomo. Stop applying cheap and lazy Kenyatta and Moi era analytical tools to Mboya.

JFK had charisma. Americans concede that. Only Kenyans are unwilling to recognize a Kenyan who manages to cut through the tribal bull. It's like it's so unbelievable that it cannot be true or should not be recognized at all costs (another legacy of the Kenyatta and Moi eras). Yes, Mboya cut through the tribal crap. We do not need your concession. It's already in the hearts of millions of Kenyans, permanently beyond your cheap reach.

My point is Mboya's brilliance could not beat tribe. His "appeal" to Eastlands Gema was his alignment with Jomo. Not the brilliance on its own. What impresses me was his early achievements - he must have been 30 at independence - rolling with wazungu and MLK at 30 sio mchezo.

And semi-literate Moi outfoxed him into VP?

Mboya was no a Luo. He was a Suba. Abasuba are bantu tribe that Luo assimilated almost. Therefore it was easy for Jaramogi to go tribal on him. Mboya came from Rusinga island - many bantu fishing tribes remnants from Uganda bantu I bet.

Mboya father - Suba - mother Luo.

He was Mboya rejected by the Luo in Nyanza?
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What did Jaramogi ever achieve after that - Chairman of Cotton Lint Board? Mboya was killed because Kiambu mafai feared him; Mboya very ambitious; and Kenyatta was starting to get his many strokes.
Muguka addict don't make this personal. Mboya is a historical figure not your father. He could not hack it among his Luo cousins but you want us to believe he had worked up Gema enough to scare Jomo? He was obviously a great orator and over-achiever, doesn't wash away his inability to outdo Jaramogi mashinani. Be objective.

How is mutumba business? Glad to see you are able to type something beyond the 10 one-liner threads a day.

You are wrong. His genuine admiration among Gema was what scared the hell out of Jomo and his clique. The admiration was NOT because he aligned himself to Jomo. The Gema folks sensed something real about him. Call it charisma. Call it non-tribal authenticity. Call it whatever. They liked him. It had nothing to do with Jomo. Stop applying cheap and lazy Kenyatta and Moi era analytical tools to Mboya.

JFK had charisma. Americans concede that. Only Kenyans are unwilling to recognize a Kenyan who manages to cut through the tribal bull. It's like it's so unbelievable that it cannot be true or should not be recognized at all costs (another legacy of the Kenyatta and Moi eras). Yes, Mboya cut through the tribal crap. We do not need your concession. It's already in the hearts of millions of Kenyans, permanently beyond your cheap reach.

My point is Mboya's brilliance could not beat tribe. His "appeal" to Eastlands Gema was his alignment with Jomo. Not the brilliance on its own. What impresses me was his early achievements - he must have been 30 at independence - rolling with wazungu and MLK at 30 sio mchezo.

And semi-literate Moi outfoxed him into VP?

Mboya was no a Luo. He was a Suba. Abasuba are bantu tribe that Luo assimilated almost. Therefore it was easy for Jaramogi to go tribal on him. Mboya came from Rusinga island - many bantu fishing tribes remnants from Uganda bantu I bet.

Mboya father - Suba - mother Luo.

He was Mboya rejected by the Luo in Nyanza?

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Mboya had Ruto problem of rattling the status quo. Unlike say Moi or Kibaki. Penny-wise, pound-foolish.

I agree Jaramogi did not amount to anything. But at least he got to see his grandkids.

What did Jaramogi ever achieve after that - Chairman of Cotton Lint Board? Mboya was killed because Kiambu mafai feared him; Mboya very ambitious; and Kenyatta was starting to get his many strokes.
Muguka addict don't make this personal. Mboya is a historical figure not your father. He could not hack it among his Luo cousins but you want us to believe he had worked up Gema enough to scare Jomo? He was obviously a great orator and over-achiever, doesn't wash away his inability to outdo Jaramogi mashinani. Be objective.

How is mutumba business? Glad to see you are able to type something beyond the 10 one-liner threads a day.

You are wrong. His genuine admiration among Gema was what scared the hell out of Jomo and his clique. The admiration was NOT because he aligned himself to Jomo. The Gema folks sensed something real about him. Call it charisma. Call it non-tribal authenticity. Call it whatever. They liked him. It had nothing to do with Jomo. Stop applying cheap and lazy Kenyatta and Moi era analytical tools to Mboya.

JFK had charisma. Americans concede that. Only Kenyans are unwilling to recognize a Kenyan who manages to cut through the tribal bull. It's like it's so unbelievable that it cannot be true or should not be recognized at all costs (another legacy of the Kenyatta and Moi eras). Yes, Mboya cut through the tribal crap. We do not need your concession. It's already in the hearts of millions of Kenyans, permanently beyond your cheap reach.

My point is Mboya's brilliance could not beat tribe. His "appeal" to Eastlands Gema was his alignment with Jomo. Not the brilliance on its own. What impresses me was his early achievements - he must have been 30 at independence - rolling with wazungu and MLK at 30 sio mchezo.

And semi-literate Moi outfoxed him into VP?

Mboya was no a Luo. He was a Suba. Abasuba are bantu tribe that Luo assimilated almost. Therefore it was easy for Jaramogi to go tribal on him. Mboya came from Rusinga island - many bantu fishing tribes remnants from Uganda bantu I bet.

Mboya father - Suba - mother Luo.

He was Mboya rejected by the Luo in Nyanza?
♫♫ They say all good boys go to heaven... but bad boys bring heaven to you ~ song by Julia Michaels

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When you're super-gifted like Mboya or Ruto - knowing you can outthink, out-talk, out-plan, out-run your opponent - it hard not to be want it all; coz you deserve.

What are you loser now celebrating - assassination? Everybody dies eventually!

What is important is that Mboya achieved in 39 yrs lot more than Jaramogi did in 85yrs.

Outside luo nyanza - Jaramogi has few admirers

Mboya had Ruto problem of rattling the status quo. Unlike say Moi or Kibaki. Penny-wise, pound-foolish.

I agree Jaramogi did not amount to anything. But at least he got to see his grandkids.

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You know nothing about what you are talking about. I'm not talking to convince you (I always knew that was a lost cause). Rather, I'm talking to those young ones who have no clue about Mboya. God forbid that they should view Mboya through your weird lenses.

We won't get into your addictions. We can only imagine what they are. Spare me.

Muguka addict don't make this personal. Mboya is a historical figure not your father. He could not hack it among his Luo cousins but you want us to believe he had worked up Gema enough to scare Jomo? He was obviously a great orator and over-achiever, doesn't wash away his inability to outdo Jaramogi mashinani. Be objective.

How is mutumba business? Glad to see you are able to type something beyond the 10 one-liner threads a day.

You are wrong. His genuine admiration among Gema was what scared the hell out of Jomo and his clique. The admiration was NOT because he aligned himself to Jomo. The Gema folks sensed something real about him. Call it charisma. Call it non-tribal authenticity. Call it whatever. They liked him. It had nothing to do with Jomo. Stop applying cheap and lazy Kenyatta and Moi era analytical tools to Mboya.

JFK had charisma. Americans concede that. Only Kenyans are unwilling to recognize a Kenyan who manages to cut through the tribal bull. It's like it's so unbelievable that it cannot be true or should not be recognized at all costs (another legacy of the Kenyatta and Moi eras). Yes, Mboya cut through the tribal crap. We do not need your concession. It's already in the hearts of millions of Kenyans, permanently beyond your cheap reach.

My point is Mboya's brilliance could not beat tribe. His "appeal" to Eastlands Gema was his alignment with Jomo. Not the brilliance on its own. What impresses me was his early achievements - he must have been 30 at independence - rolling with wazungu and MLK at 30 sio mchezo.

And semi-literate Moi outfoxed him into VP?

Mboya was no a Luo. He was a Suba. Abasuba are bantu tribe that Luo assimilated almost. Therefore it was easy for Jaramogi to go tribal on him. Mboya came from Rusinga island - many bantu fishing tribes remnants from Uganda bantu I bet.

Mboya father - Suba - mother Luo.

He was Mboya rejected by the Luo in Nyanza?
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To put Mboya and Ruto in the same sentence is beyond what I can tolerate. This ends my discussion on this. I'm about to puke!

When you're super-gifted like Mboya or Ruto - knowing you can outthink, out-talk, out-plan, out-run your opponent - it hard not to be want it all; coz you deserve.

What are you loser now celebrating - assassination? Everybody dies eventually!

What is important is that Mboya achieved in 39 yrs lot more than Jaramogi did in 85yrs.

Outside luo nyanza - Jaramogi has few admirers

Mboya had Ruto problem of rattling the status quo. Unlike say Moi or Kibaki. Penny-wise, pound-foolish.

I agree Jaramogi did not amount to anything. But at least he got to see his grandkids.
Don't steal. The Uhuruto Government hates competition.

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Being so gifted - you need to convert that to something by knowing when to lie low, kiss ass, etc. If getting yourself killed is smart maybe I went to the wrong school. After Pinto, Lumumba, MLK, etc - the lesson was obvious you need to temper high IQ with EQ in the political jungle. Semi-literate Moi got it, Kibaki got it. Not Mboya. Sorry I can't overlook the obvious blunder despite the accolades.

When you're super-gifted like Mboya or Ruto - knowing you can outthink, out-talk, out-plan, out-run your opponent - it hard not to be want it all; coz you deserve.

What are you loser now celebrating - assassination? Everybody dies eventually!

What is important is that Mboya achieved in 39 yrs lot more than Jaramogi did in 85yrs.

Outside luo nyanza - Jaramogi has few admirers

Mboya had Ruto problem of rattling the status quo. Unlike say Moi or Kibaki. Penny-wise, pound-foolish.

I agree Jaramogi did not amount to anything. But at least he got to see his grandkids.
♫♫ They say all good boys go to heaven... but bad boys bring heaven to you ~ song by Julia Michaels

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 :) Bye!

To put Mboya and Ruto in the same sentence is beyond what I can tolerate. This ends my discussion on this. I'm about to puke!

When you're super-gifted like Mboya or Ruto - knowing you can outthink, out-talk, out-plan, out-run your opponent - it hard not to be want it all; coz you deserve.

What are you loser now celebrating - assassination? Everybody dies eventually!

What is important is that Mboya achieved in 39 yrs lot more than Jaramogi did in 85yrs.

Outside luo nyanza - Jaramogi has few admirers

Mboya had Ruto problem of rattling the status quo. Unlike say Moi or Kibaki. Penny-wise, pound-foolish.

I agree Jaramogi did not amount to anything. But at least he got to see his grandkids.
♫♫ They say all good boys go to heaven... but bad boys bring heaven to you ~ song by Julia Michaels

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That is crazy! You invest in SECURITY and INTELLIGENCE. Tom Mboya knew he had CIA but was a little bit trusting -- but anybody can be assisinated. Ruto invests in serious security. Otherwise, the day where you have to act like a fool to appease fools is long gone.
Being so gifted - you need to convert that to something by knowing when to lie low, kiss ass, etc. If getting yourself killed is smart maybe I went to the wrong school. After Pinto, Lumumba, MLK, etc - the lesson was obvious you need to temper high IQ with EQ in the political jungle. Semi-literate Moi got it, Kibaki got it. Not Mboya. Sorry I can't overlook the obvious blunder despite the accolades.

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The guy was strolling in the streets without bodyguards. CIA gani. He was very brilliant but naive Luo. God rest his soul.

That is crazy! You invest in SECURITY and INTELLIGENCE. Tom Mboya knew he had CIA but was a little bit trusting -- but anybody can be assisinated. Ruto invests in serious security. Otherwise, the day where you have to act like a fool to appease fools is long gone.
Being so gifted - you need to convert that to something by knowing when to lie low, kiss ass, etc. If getting yourself killed is smart maybe I went to the wrong school. After Pinto, Lumumba, MLK, etc - the lesson was obvious you need to temper high IQ with EQ in the political jungle. Semi-literate Moi got it, Kibaki got it. Not Mboya. Sorry I can't overlook the obvious blunder despite the accolades.
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CIA should have warned him about this - so he can increase security or go to exile. That is the INTELLIGENCE part. Then the security part is getting more bodyguards and all that. You can go Biwott way but that is tough to pull.

Good politician - in Kenya need money, intelligence, security, bla bla to become PORK - Ruto understands this very clearly - because of this serious job with serious enemies.

The guy was strolling in the streets without bodyguards. CIA gani. He was very brilliant but naive Luo. God rest his soul.

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I can only second. This is an abdomination.

To put Mboya and Ruto in the same sentence is beyond what I can tolerate. This ends my discussion on this. I'm about to puke!

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As if CIA knows everything on this earth. Even US ambassadors have been killed outside the US. Why did CIA not warn them?
May I remind you even the typical Kikuyu JM Kariuki was picked off the streets of Nairobi and assasinated. Kabila does not play a role in thuggish politics.

The guy was strolling in the streets without bodyguards. CIA gani. He was very brilliant but naive Luo. God rest his soul.

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Mboya's intelligence, charm, leadership, and oratory skills won him admiration from all over the world

I think Ruto has all that - in my view - and like I said - Locally Ruto matches Mboya - Mboya was international of course

The major difference of Ruto has stolen billions in the process...

Mboya international connections helped his politics...because kenya was donor dependant - Ruto money helps his politics because without money in kenya politics you're nobody.

So Ruto has used his intelligent mind to realize that kind of money one needs to win PORK.

I can only second. This is an abdomination.

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Death saved his legacy, he would not have amounted to anything.

There is a tendency to glorify famous people killed before/in their prime.  Based on his politics, he seems to have been a bit like Tuju, preferring to canoodle the ruler of the day, rather than promoting any clear ideology.  I'd say a cross between Tuju and Ouko.
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Death saved his legacy, he would not have amounted to anything.

There is a tendency to glorify famous people killed before/in their prime.  Based on his politics, he seems to have been a bit like Tuju, preferring to canoodle the ruler of the day, rather than promoting any clear ideology.  I'd say a cross between Tuju and Ouko.
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Mboya was going to be non one in post kenyatta govt. He died because he was naive to think kikuyis could be trusted to propel him to power. He was killed by Njenga. Njenga was my mum schoolmate. He was a criminal from birth

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To understand Mboy who you need to understand his political life before the fallout with Jaramogi in 66-69. This problem with most Raila cultist - driven by emotional Jaramogism that has confined Luos to periphery.

Mboya had been long instrumental in 1950s - But for Odingasm everything revolve around their god !

This article was written few days after his death

http://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,900985,00.html

Only 38, the handsome, articulate Mboya embodied many of the qualities so urgently needed by the fledgling nations of black Africa. He was a member of Kenya's second largest tribe, the Luo. But he saw his real loyalties to Kenya's detribalizing urban classes and made them his constituency. He was an early and fervent apostle for his country's freedom, inspired by Jomo Kenyatta. But he deplored the violence and bloodshed of the Mau Mau uprisings against the British and refused to participate in them. He became the architect of independent Kenya's major documents, including its constitution. He also pleaded eloquently for a Marshall Plan for all Africa, for the creation of an African economy, and "the brotherhood of the 'extended family' in a United States of Africa."

Mboya thought of himself as an African socialist, that catchall for moderate African reformers who favor mixed economies. Thoroughly pro-Western, with close ties both to the U.S. and Britain (he spent a year at Oxford), Mboya had no use for Soviet and Chinese efforts to gain a foothold in Kenya. It was on that issue that Mboya and his principal political enemy, Oginga Odinga, collided. Odinga, a Luo like Mboya, is an emotional, radical tribalist with Communist leanings and support. Mboya helped oust Odinga as Vice President in 1966.


There is a tendency to glorify famous people killed before/in their prime.  Based on his politics, he seems to have been a bit like Tuju, preferring to canoodle the ruler of the day, rather than promoting any clear ideology.  I'd say a cross between Tuju and Ouko.

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To understand Mboy who you need to understand his political life before the fallout with Jaramogi in 66-69. This problem with most Raila cultist - driven by emotional Jaramogism that has confined Luos to periphery.

Mboya had been long instrumental in 1950s - But for Odingasm everything revolve around their god !

This article was written few days after his death

http://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,900985,00.html

Only 38, the handsome, articulate Mboya embodied many of the qualities so urgently needed by the fledgling nations of black Africa. He was a member of Kenya's second largest tribe, the Luo. But he saw his real loyalties to Kenya's detribalizing urban classes and made them his constituency. He was an early and fervent apostle for his country's freedom, inspired by Jomo Kenyatta. But he deplored the violence and bloodshed of the Mau Mau uprisings against the British and refused to participate in them. He became the architect of independent Kenya's major documents, including its constitution. He also pleaded eloquently for a Marshall Plan for all Africa, for the creation of an African economy, and "the brotherhood of the 'extended family' in a United States of Africa."

Mboya thought of himself as an African socialist, that catchall for moderate African reformers who favor mixed economies. Thoroughly pro-Western, with close ties both to the U.S. and Britain (he spent a year at Oxford), Mboya had no use for Soviet and Chinese efforts to gain a foothold in Kenya. It was on that issue that Mboya and his principal political enemy, Oginga Odinga, collided. Odinga, a Luo like Mboya, is an emotional, radical tribalist with Communist leanings and support. Mboya helped oust Odinga as Vice President in 1966.


There is a tendency to glorify famous people killed before/in their prime.  Based on his politics, he seems to have been a bit like Tuju, preferring to canoodle the ruler of the day, rather than promoting any clear ideology.  I'd say a cross between Tuju and Ouko.

You are trying hard to outdo uthamaki in slandering Luos and Jaramogi recently, perhaps you think its a magic abracabdra phrase that will elevate your chieftain to power, I don't get it. Why are you making a fool of yourself trying to be a faux muthamakist bad mouthing Luos at every turn?. Shonde wewe. Who convince your illiterate Kipsigis soot black ass your are better than anyone? Stay in your lane. Your worthless in grand scheme of things.
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Mboya was a naive young man killed by Gema in power struggle. Naive he was to think Akina karume and ngoroko would idly sit by as he took power