Author Topic: No Kenyan politician can hold a candle to my dad � Tom Mboya�s son (Read 5564 times)

Gikomba_Hawker · « **on:** July 18, 2021, 10:35:00 PM »

https://www.monitor.co.ug/uganda/magazines/people-power/no-kenyan-politician-can-hold-a-candle-to-my-dad-tom-mboya-s-son-3477342

KenyanPlato · « **Reply #1 on:** July 18, 2021, 10:44:39 PM »

Bullshit. Mboya was a Cia agent that fell on his espionage sword. A fool with hawkish tendencies such of tuju

Gikomba_Hawker · « **Reply #2 on:** July 18, 2021, 10:50:03 PM »

Remembering Kenyan statesman Tom Mboya
https://www.monitor.co.ug/uganda/oped/commentary/remembering-kenyan-statesman-tom-mboya-3460944

RV Pundit · « **Reply #3 on:** July 18, 2021, 11:32:08 PM »

I agree. Mboya was ahead of his time. The man was brilliant and would have certainly done better than Odinga. That is why they had to kill him.

Ruto is Mboya without international connections.

Mboya was terrific.

RV Pundit · « **Reply #4 on:** July 18, 2021, 11:34:22 PM »

Kiambu mafia propaganda. Mboya and Kibaki were briliant in Kenyatta cabinet full of thugs and pseudo-intellectuals like Njonjos, Koinanges and others - who had gotten degrees without education - or an outright illiterates like Moi. Mboya was NOT TUJU. Mboya despite not going to university (I think he did correspondence later) was intelligent, good orator, well know pan africanist and had such depth of character/intelligence - he was clearly ahead of his time.

Try to find some of Tom Mboya interviews. Tuju is just a new caster....he just knows how to speak good english.

Tom Mboya was an equal to greats like JF Kennedy.

Quote from: KenyanPlato on July 18, 2021, 10:44:39 PM

Bullshit. Mboya was a Cia agent that fell on his espionage sword. A fool with hawkish tendencies such of tuju

Gikomba_Hawker · « **Reply #5 on:** July 18, 2021, 11:39:19 PM »

March 21, 1966 - Tom Mboya, Kenya's Minister of Economic at President John F. Kennedy's grave

Nefertiti · « **Reply #6 on:** July 19, 2021, 12:23:02 AM »

Pundit TJ Mboya lacked solid ground game due to elitist image. He definitely had no Ruto or Obama intelligence. Ruto does not have international network because it is not an effective tool - he has looted the funds Raila gets from German or Dubai contacts. Mzungu does not directly influence polls and once in power would quickly make amends. Pragmatics.

Mboya was brilliant but elitist... no match for Jaramogi who with likes of JM were the real ground players. Way above Tuju but not quite Ruto. Maybe Kibaki level yes.

Nefertiti · « **Reply #7 on:** July 19, 2021, 12:29:33 AM »

Mboya as Kanu boy was floored badly by Jaramogi KPU Kavirondo party in 1966. After Luos quit Kanu. He gave excellent speeches and won in Nairobi but Luo mashinani nothing.

Fairandbalanced · « **Reply #8 on:** July 19, 2021, 12:38:47 AM »

Nefertiti · « **Reply #9 on:** July 19, 2021, 12:55:11 AM »

Ruto is very intelligent Bwana F&B. He just lacks morals or scruples (thus collects and spreads fleas all over); and worse lacks the Kagame or Meles magic Pundit lies he does. The results of his 5yr co-presidency I agree with you here - are quite clear. I find Obama to be the same forked tongue mobilizing rockstar that delivered hot air. 2 years into his "change" people had had it and resorted to executive orders the rest of his term. Not even immigration nor gun reforms were ever achieved.

I have not been impressed by Uhuruto's clumsy harebrained copy of Kibakinomics without the introspection. A mountain of debt compounded by covid. Raila is strategic ala Kibaki; - physical hyperactivity and political cunning is what Pundit mistakes as the rare rounded skill. No I haven't seen it in Ruto.

Gikomba_Hawker · « **Reply #10 on:** July 19, 2021, 01:01:45 AM »

Meet The Press Tom Mboya Interview

Arcadian_Dreamer · « **Reply #11 on:** July 19, 2021, 01:59:12 AM »

Death saved his legacy, he would not have amounted to anything.

RV Pundit · « **Reply #12 on:** July 19, 2021, 02:16:13 AM »

Why kill Mboya if he was useless. Mboya had international ties; All Mboya needed was for Kenyatta to fire Moi and make him VP; and become president; That Mboya could have influenced. Obviously those who did not see Moi - saw Mboya - terrific talents - the same way they see Ruto talents.

Mboya international contacts were VERY important then because budget was probably 80 percent donor funded.

Mboya was killed 1yr into 69 - I think if he had stayed - he would have with help of CIA either replaced Moi or overthrown Jomo Kenyatta.

Gikomba_Hawker · « **Reply #13 on:** July 19, 2021, 02:18:09 AM »

At the time Mboya and his colleagues in KANU were having a hard time retaining members of the so-called minority communities who had ganged up to form the Kenya African Democratic Union (KADU).

Mboya himself was Luo and Goldsworthy continues to expound on the reasons he resonated with the Kikuyus who failed to support Waiyaki, who was not only their own kinsman but hailed from a privileged background within the Kikuyu chieftains.

https://newafricanmagazine.com/3895/3/

RV Pundit · « **Reply #14 on:** July 19, 2021, 02:21:31 AM »

Jaramogi lived to his old age and died under-achiever - his son Raila is about to die without achieving it - because he lack Tom Mboya brains and tactics - that kind of strategic tactical thinking lacking in most Luos.

Jaramogi was driven by raw ambition - Tom Mboya was a lot smarter.

Quote from: Arcadian_Dreamer on July 19, 2021, 01:59:12 AM

Death saved his legacy, he would not have amounted to anything.

Nefertiti · « **Reply #15 on:** July 19, 2021, 02:27:42 AM »

Quote from: Gikomba_Hawker on July 19, 2021, 02:18:09 AM

At the time Mboya and his colleagues in KANU were having a hard time retaining members of the so-called minority communities who had ganged up to form the Kenya African Democratic Union (KADU).

Mboya himself was Luo and Goldsworthy continues to expound on the reasons he resonated with the Kikuyus who failed to support Waiyaki, who was not only their own kinsman but hailed from a privileged background within the Kikuyu chieftains.

https://newafricanmagazine.com/3895/3/

Why was Mboya rejected by the Luo in Nyanza?

RV Pundit · « **Reply #16 on:** July 19, 2021, 02:34:15 AM »

Mboya was no a Luo. He was a Suba. Abasuba are bantu tribe that Luo assimilated almost. Therefore it was easy for Jaramogi to go tribal on him. Mboya came from Rusinga island - many bantu fishing tribes remnants from Uganda bantu I bet.

Mboya father - Suba - mother Luo.

Quote from: Robina on July 19, 2021, 02:27:42 AM

He was Mboya rejected by the Luo in Nyanza?

Nefertiti · « **Reply #17 on:** July 19, 2021, 03:00:12 AM »

My point is Mboya's brilliance could not beat tribe. His "appeal" to Eastlands Gema was his alignment with Jomo. Not the brilliance on its own. What impresses me was his early achievements - he must have been 30 at independence - rolling with wazungu and MLK at 30 sio mchezo.

And semi-literate Moi outfoxed him into VP?

Quote from: RV Pundit on July 19, 2021, 02:34:15 AM

Mboya was no a Luo. He was a Suba. Abasuba are bantu tribe that Luo assimilated almost. Therefore it was easy for Jaramogi to go tribal on him. Mboya came from Rusinga island - many bantu fishing tribes remnants from Uganda bantu I bet.

Mboya father - Suba - mother Luo.

Quote from: Robina on July 19, 2021, 02:27:42 AM
He was Mboya rejected by the Luo in Nyanza?

Gikomba_Hawker · « **Reply #18 on:** July 19, 2021, 04:02:14 AM »

You are wrong. His genuine admiration among Gema was what scared the hell out of Jomo and his clique. The admiration was NOT because he aligned himself to Jomo. The Gema folks sensed something real about him. Call it charisma. Call it non-tribal authenticity. Call it whatever. They liked him. It had nothing to do with Jomo. Stop applying cheap and lazy Kenyatta and Moi era analytical tools to Mboya.

JFK had charisma. Americans concede that. Only Kenyans are unwilling to recognize a Kenyan who manages to cut through the tribal bull. It's like it's so unbelievable that it cannot be true or should not be recognized at all costs (another legacy of the Kenyatta and Moi eras). Yes, Mboya cut through the tribal crap. We do not need your concession. It's already in the hearts of millions of Kenyans, permanently beyond your cheap reach.

Quote from: Robina on July 19, 2021, 03:00:12 AM

My point is Mboya's brilliance could not beat tribe. His "appeal" to Eastlands Gema was his alignment with Jomo. Not the brilliance on its own. What impresses me was his early achievements - he must have been 30 at independence - rolling with wazungu and MLK at 30 sio mchezo.

And semi-literate Moi outfoxed him into VP?

Quote from: RV Pundit on July 19, 2021, 02:34:15 AM
Mboya was no a Luo. He was a Suba. Abasuba are bantu tribe that Luo assimilated almost. Therefore it was easy for Jaramogi to go tribal on him. Mboya came from Rusinga island - many bantu fishing tribes remnants from Uganda bantu I bet.

Mboya father - Suba - mother Luo.

Quote from: Robina on July 19, 2021, 02:27:42 AM
He was Mboya rejected by the Luo in Nyanza?

Kadudu · « **Reply #19 on:** July 19, 2021, 12:34:50 PM »

One can call Tom Mboya names, but he was never linked to any land grabbing that was taking place although he was high up in the Kenyatta regime at that time. No where was his name ever mentioned in any scheme to loot public funds.
Pundit calls Tom Mboya elitist. Tom Mboya was a people's man. Even my simple father who was a teacher at that time was able to visit Mboya's house in Lavington. Mboya like many Luos was always smartly dressed. The man spoke Luo, Kikuyu, Swahili and English fluently and that in the 1960's.
As of being a CIA spy, this was the way to brandmark Mboya and get rid of him after he had helped Kenyatta and his Kiambu mafia get rid of Jaramogi. Paul Ngei even went as far as denoucing Mboya as an American spy in the Kenyan parliament. Ngei was himself a man without any personal or public morals and was just out to please Kenyatta in order to save his own skin. Mboya had very good to the US governement and other US organisations as it was through him many Kenyans got their education in the US in the late 50's and early 60's.

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