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Title: What was coup about?
Post by: KenyanPlato on October 02, 2020, 01:54:54 AM
Is uhuru about to suffer the out sign that out of power coup? I am told he is livid and has vowed to punch heavy. Prepare for interesting finale of season 2
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: RV Pundit on October 02, 2020, 06:31:21 AM
Coup? Ruto has been going to pangani recently. I think Ruto want a finale on Jubilee party. Let Uhuru show his hand - not hide behind hapless Tuju. Let him tell Ruto that Jubilee is gone - and Ruto can form Hustler Nation.
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: KenyanPlato on October 02, 2020, 12:20:49 PM
Which evidence does he need a rotting corpse. He is like an abused spouse suffering serious Stockholm syndrome
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: RV Pundit on October 02, 2020, 01:44:21 PM
In the fight for custody (jubilee children) - the children will choose the better parent here - Ruto. Ruto has a PHD in politics and science. He is poking Uhuru eyes. He wants Uhuru to show his hand. It's about time to smoke him out.

Uhuru has never really hit Ruto directly - just shadow boxing. Using Tuju and Murathe.  Let see if Tuju can block the Deputy Leader from going to his office.

Which evidence does he need a rotting corpse. He is like an abused spouse suffering serious Stockholm syndrome
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: KenyanPlato on October 02, 2020, 01:46:43 PM
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Uhuru is livid. He wants your boy tail and head
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: KenyanPlato on October 02, 2020, 01:57:01 PM
Pundit is like a fox News cult member

Here is more evidence for you dummy
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Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: KenyanPlato on October 02, 2020, 02:14:13 PM
Jubilee NEC has recommended Ruto's removal from office
https://m.facebook.com/?_rdr
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: RV Pundit on October 02, 2020, 03:04:18 PM
That exactly is what Ruto needs.Its now clear why he had to form hustler nation
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: Pajero on October 02, 2020, 03:06:13 PM
Yet,pundito and kalenjins still think Mobutu has a future in jubilee.Jubilee is reserved for Uhuru.I thought mobutu was smart enough to smell the coffee long time ago.
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: RV Pundit on October 02, 2020, 03:47:25 PM
Jubilee as brand is dead as dodo. We got brand new hustler nation. Meanwhile ODM is stale and old as Raila.
There are 400 parties.
Old parties like KANU carry bad name - Ruto told Uhuru to form TNA for that reason.
ODM if you want Mt kenya - should do a renaming - it's toxic there.

Ruto is instigating this fight so the divorce can happen now.

Otherwise Ruto cannot just ran away from Jubilee. He has to be chased.

And Uhuru is doing exactly that.

ODM did the same - with Ruto -

Yet,pundito and kalenjins still think Mobutu has a future in jubilee.Jubilee is reserved for Uhuru.I thought mobutu was smart enough to smell the coffee long time ago.
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: KenyanPlato on October 02, 2020, 05:02:36 PM
Uhuru has removed rutos hand
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Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: Nowayhaha on October 03, 2020, 09:39:50 AM
Is uhuru about to suffer the out sign that out of power coup? I am told he is livid and has vowed to punch heavy. Prepare for interesting finale of season 2

Dream on , Uhuru would never draw blood because of a party  , he let KANU die, He Let KANU go , He killed TNA ,same way he wants to kill Jubilee . Its actually better for Ruto , No political party has won an election twice for the last 20 years or So . Now in terms of re branding a new political party will disassociate Ruto from the ills of Jubilee and the incumbency which is usually a baggage for a regime changing election .
Imagine Ruto standing on Jubilee come 2022 with the song Jubilee Tano Tena playing . People already hate that song . Now imagine Ruto standing with a new party , new party slogan , new party colours , new everything and  a new message  the human nature in us will see him as a new kid in the block .
It worked for Kibaki with NARC Rainbow alliance and unbwogable slogan , It Worked with Uhuru with   TNA and I believe slogan
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: Nowayhaha on October 03, 2020, 09:47:28 AM
Yet,pundito and kalenjins still think Mobutu has a future in jubilee.Jubilee is reserved for Uhuru.I thought mobutu was smart enough to smell the coffee long time ago.

There was once KANU , NARC, PNU, TNA these are parties which ruled Kenya in the last 20 years , Jubilee its on its way to extcition . Ruto will emerge with a new party . Further youve been told not only once neither twice but many times , In Kenya political parties are special purpose vehicles , thats just the reality used for politicians to vie and acquire power nothing more nothing less.
I think Ruto had a vision for Jubilee to become a prominent National Party but his partner Uhuru cared less . So with that Jubilee is dead .but personally I believe Ruto should just proceed and form an all inclusive National party with members and politician from all parts of Kenya . The dream should live on ...
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: Nowayhaha on October 03, 2020, 09:52:57 AM
Jubilee as brand is dead as dodo. We got brand new hustler nation. Meanwhile ODM is stale and old as Raila.
There are 400 parties.
Old parties like KANU carry bad name - Ruto told Uhuru to form TNA for that reason.
ODM if you want Mt kenya - should do a renaming - it's toxic there.

Ruto is instigating this fight so the divorce can happen now.

Otherwise Ruto cannot just ran away from Jubilee. He has to be chased.

And Uhuru is doing exactly that.

ODM did the same - with Ruto -

Yet,pundito and kalenjins still think Mobutu has a future in jubilee.Jubilee is reserved for Uhuru.I thought mobutu was smart enough to smell the coffee long time ago.

I remember in the ICC proceedings Uhuru had almost  forgotten he was still KANUs chairman . He almost replied to questions from prosecutor that he was in G7 . This and the other question about Kagwanjas article  when asked if he had sued Kagwanja were the items he fumbled otherwise a good performance for him  . Ocampo was left with an egg on the face oooohh together with ODM supporters who thought his appearance would be his undoing .
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: Nefertiti on October 03, 2020, 05:12:21 PM
This present status of Mobutu mean machine :) Talk is so cheap - rallies and war cries and wheelbarrows; - form an actual party and see how many join. Usicheze na Baba - run a national party for a few years first. Win a few by-elections outside URP. Not hide behind Uhurutopia and Jezebel. Partywise even Gideon deserve more respect than Mobutu.
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: RV Pundit on October 03, 2020, 06:44:02 PM
Hustler Nation is a party - just wait for it to be legal.
This present status of Mobutu mean machine :) Talk is so cheap - rallies and war cries and wheelbarrows; - form an actual party and see how many join. Usicheze na Baba - run a national party for a few years first. Win a few by-elections outside URP. Not hide behind Uhurutopia and Jezebel. Partywise even Gideon deserve more respect than Mobutu.
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: Nefertiti on October 03, 2020, 07:05:40 PM
Kalenjin were already fighting in URP - I recall Keter and Isaac were South Rift rivals. Kaparo was shortchanged from Speaker post - for Turkana boy - Ethuro? After dramatic runs with Kamwaro in UDM - that small pastoralist party URP was already chaotic - NEC full of Kalenjin Chirchir, Nixon Generali, name it.

Now Jubilee of course - despite folks being purchased for 30 pieces of silver to join - poofed 2 minutes after swearing in. Mobutu is more expert in destroying not building.

Register hustler party - am sure Kingis, Mvuryas and Khalwales are dying to sign up.

Hustler Nation is a party - just wait for it to be legal.
This present status of Mobutu mean machine :) Talk is so cheap - rallies and war cries and wheelbarrows; - form an actual party and see how many join. Usicheze na Baba - run a national party for a few years first. Win a few by-elections outside URP. Not hide behind Uhurutopia and Jezebel. Partywise even Gideon deserve more respect than Mobutu.
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: RV Pundit on October 03, 2020, 07:17:23 PM
You're scrapping the bottom of the barrel. Ruto believes in democracy. That is why RV there is freedom to oppose Ruto. URP did well - and Ruto merged it to create Jubilee for strategic reason.

You think it was stupid - but seeing how he has coupled with GEMA - I think it's was brilliant.

If we had URP/TNA - Uhuru would simply kick out URP - but know it's impossible to tell who is TNA or UPR - and when divorce happen - who will follow Uhuru to retirement?

Jubilee will transform into Hustler Nations - and take on new allies - who have a problem with Jubilee tag. That is idea of forming new party every election. For example how will Muthama or Ndii sell Jubilee.

But he will sell Hustler Nations.

Ruto is killing Jubilee because it no longer serve any purpose. He is on Plan B. Plan A was for Uhuru to hand over power smoothly.

Kalenjin were already fighting in URP - I recall Keter and Isaac were South Rift rivals. Kaparo was shortchanged from Speaker post - for Turkana boy - Ethuro? After dramatic runs with Kamwaro in UDM - that small pastoralist party URP was already chaotic - NEC full of Kalenjin Chirchir, Nixon Generali, name it.

Now Jubilee of course - despite folks being purchased for 30 pieces of silver to join - poofed 2 minutes after swearing in. Mobutu is more expert in destroying not building.

Register hustler party - am sure Kingis, Mvuryas and Khalwales are dying to sign up.
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: Nefertiti on October 03, 2020, 07:43:41 PM
He had full control of URP and Tangatanga would legally field candidates. Now with political parties act it back to UDM troubles. See the conundrum in swing turf like Msambweni where he is testing the waters - backing independent candidate is dicy - cause they are not really a brand. If he backs local party - the owners can later disown him if they become popular. It a nightmare situation - he still clings to Uhurutopia and heap all blame on Murathe or Tuju - with his own upstart he must face Uhuru squarely. This is a scary thought - it easier to spin about massive ground support without any proof. And cry Huduma is for rigging him.
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: RV Pundit on October 03, 2020, 08:00:56 PM
Ruto has won all the by-elections he has wanted except for Kibra - where Raila employed violence. He won Baringo and Wajir. These by-elections are not such a big deal. Technically Ruto and Jubilee members will remain in Jubilee until 2022. But they already move out to Hustler Nation movement. These are just the motions of a divorce.

Jubilee was only important to tightly couple with GEMA. It's achieved that objective.

ODM is NDP that tightly coupled with KANU.

Raila lost KANU nomination to Uhuru, quit KANU but he got KANU constituency that he has been bragging all over town with it.

You don't understand POLITICS.

Once you're tightly coupled - it not easy to divorce - and that is the whole idea of Jubilee - GEMA nations have exchanged fluids with Ruto - and will not abandon him for someone like Raila.

It won't be easy to de-couple Ruto from GEMA - GEMA only know about jubilee - hiyo TNA/URP long forgotten.

And it's not a spin - because it was I told you in 2016.

He had full control of URP and Tangatanga would legally field candidates. Now with political parties act it back to UDM troubles. See the conundrum in swing turf like Msambweni where he is testing the waters - backing independent candidate is dicy - cause they are not really a brand. If he backs local party - the owners can later disown him if they become popular. It a nightmare situation - he still clings to Uhurutopia and heap all blame on Murathe or Tuju - with his own upstart he must face Uhuru squarely. This is a scary thought - it easier to spin about massive ground support without any proof. And cry Huduma is for rigging him.
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: Nefertiti on October 03, 2020, 11:20:45 PM
Yes ODM was NDP + Kanu. And now Mobutu after 15 years struggle to undo trojan 1 - Baba has pulled the rug from under his feet using trojan 2 aka Handshake.

Mobutu strategy is counterintuitive: 2002 Raila only took off with Mijikenda and Luhya. Kalenjin, MATUSA, NFD only canoodled with ODM about 3 years on their way from Kanu to URP. Mijikenda is different animal - little in common with URP pastoralists. Non-GEMA is very diverse house that was easy to unite as 41 vs 1. Without GEMA boogyman Mobutu has nothing to offer them. Same question you pose about Mt Kenya: why should Mijikenda leave Raila for Mobutu?

GEMA the big problem is Prince Uhuru; then Mobutu is not Gema yet it took him whole 10 years to take over RV after Moi. It very tough journey to craft all-fitting safina that URP, Gema, Luhya, Mijikenda can fit - amorphous hustler movement is very tough sell as BBI anti-thesis. You seem to ignore the essence of BBI as credible power-sharing formula. It tribe vs class any way you slice and dice it.

Ruto has won all the by-elections he has wanted except for Kibra - where Raila employed violence. He won Baringo and Wajir. These by-elections are not such a big deal. Technically Ruto and Jubilee members will remain in Jubilee until 2022. But they already move out to Hustler Nation movement. These are just the motions of a divorce.

Jubilee was only important to tightly couple with GEMA. It's achieved that objective.

ODM is NDP that tightly coupled with KANU.

Raila lost KANU nomination to Uhuru, quit KANU but he got KANU constituency that he has been bragging all over town with it.

You don't understand POLITICS.

Once you're tightly coupled - it not easy to divorce - and that is the whole idea of Jubilee - GEMA nations have exchanged fluids with Ruto - and will not abandon him for someone like Raila.

It won't be easy to de-couple Ruto from GEMA - GEMA only know about jubilee - hiyo TNA/URP long forgotten.

And it's not a spin - because it was I told you in 2016.

He had full control of URP and Tangatanga would legally field candidates. Now with political parties act it back to UDM troubles. See the conundrum in swing turf like Msambweni where he is testing the waters - backing independent candidate is dicy - cause they are not really a brand. If he backs local party - the owners can later disown him if they become popular. It a nightmare situation - he still clings to Uhurutopia and heap all blame on Murathe or Tuju - with his own upstart he must face Uhuru squarely. This is a scary thought - it easier to spin about massive ground support without any proof. And cry Huduma is for rigging him.
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: RV Pundit on October 03, 2020, 11:25:43 PM
I think BBI is officially dead; Killed by Corona. I doubt anybody can tell kenyans that our priority is to amend the constitution when kids have not been in school for a year, millions have lost jobs and the global economy is suffering. Start thinking of working with what we have. If they bring BBI - it will be shot down so spectacularly.

In any case we already in October - and BBI still gathering dust. BBI made sense in 2018 - when NASA was grumbling and had boycott election - otherwise right now the only BBI or handshake that can be done is btw Uhuru and Ruto. Raila is taken care of :) - really no need for katiba change - if you trust Raila - let him become PORK and ammend Katiba together with 2022 election.

Otherwise if you want revolution now - bring BBI. You can buy time till 2022 but if you play around with Kenyans - you'll get kibaki kind of treatment.

Raila your horse is dead, tired and kaput. Ruto is the new deal. The new Raila.

Yes ODM was NDP + Kanu. And now Mobutu after 15 years struggle to undo trojan 1 - Baba has pulled the rug from under his feet using trojan 2 aka Handshake.

Mobutu strategy is counterintuitive: 2002 Raila only took off with Mijikenda and Luhya. Kalenjin, MATUSA, NFD only canoodled with ODM about 3 years on their way from Kanu to URP. Mijikenda is different animal - little in common with URP pastoralists. Non-GEMA is very diverse house that was easy to unite as 41 vs 1. Without GEMA boogyman Mobutu has nothing to offer them.

GEMA the big problem is Prince Uhuru; then Mobutu is not Gema yet it took him whole 10 years to take over RV after Moi. It very tough journey to craft all-fitting safina that URP, Gema, Luhya, Mijikenda can fit - amorphous hustler movement is very tough sell as BBI anti-thesis. You seem to ignore the essence of BBI as credible power-sharing formula. It tribe vs class any way you slice and dice it.
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: Nefertiti on October 04, 2020, 05:03:10 PM
Referendum is dead yes - but BBI is Raila 2022 Manifesto. It include 1/3 gender, 35% devolution, PM and name it. That why everyone is positioning for a piece if it in Handshake tent. Only upstarts and pawns back Mobutu. That what tribe vs class is: Mobutu unlike you has seen the trap and resorted to hustler nation. His small problem is converting the "ground" lie into numbers. Msambaweni is a good place to start. Mobutu will buy off ODM crew as usual - like in Wajir he bought off 2 ODM guys and was left with Kanu. This nonsense he calls ground support. Problem is he cannot outdo PORK in ukora - after spending gazilion handouts in Kibra - you were here lamenting how ODM had fortified the ground for years. If you play clean game - Mobutu would have nothing since he use loot which you call chess. Most of the mlolongo MPs and Khalwales following him for handouts - Uhuru merely use DCI or KRA to balance the equation. You have not seen any machinery Moi-style.

You will have NARC lineup in BBI - which is bankable compared to hustler. Of course you can always prove us wrong by routing ODM in Msambaweni. Already you see Mobutu ukora of buying out ODM folk - Feisal Bader and the Mariam lady at Pangani. He will spend some truckloads of loot then cry in the toilet on D-Day. There was no uprising in Kibra over the Luo goons since there was never any genuine Mariga support in the first place - just well-fed slumdwellers who couldn't care less about Mobutu.

I think BBI is officially dead; Killed by Corona. I doubt anybody can tell kenyans that our priority is to amend the constitution when kids have not been in school for a year, millions have lost jobs and the global economy is suffering. Start thinking of working with what we have. If they bring BBI - it will be shot down so spectacularly.

In any case we already in October - and BBI still gathering dust. BBI made sense in 2018 - when NASA was grumbling and had boycott election - otherwise right now the only BBI or handshake that can be done is btw Uhuru and Ruto. Raila is taken care of :) - really no need for katiba change - if you trust Raila - let him become PORK and ammend Katiba together with 2022 election.

Otherwise if you want revolution now - bring BBI. You can buy time till 2022 but if you play around with Kenyans - you'll get kibaki kind of treatment.

Raila your horse is dead, tired and kaput. Ruto is the new deal. The new Raila.

Yes ODM was NDP + Kanu. And now Mobutu after 15 years struggle to undo trojan 1 - Baba has pulled the rug from under his feet using trojan 2 aka Handshake.

Mobutu strategy is counterintuitive: 2002 Raila only took off with Mijikenda and Luhya. Kalenjin, MATUSA, NFD only canoodled with ODM about 3 years on their way from Kanu to URP. Mijikenda is different animal - little in common with URP pastoralists. Non-GEMA is very diverse house that was easy to unite as 41 vs 1. Without GEMA boogyman Mobutu has nothing to offer them.

GEMA the big problem is Prince Uhuru; then Mobutu is not Gema yet it took him whole 10 years to take over RV after Moi. It very tough journey to craft all-fitting safina that URP, Gema, Luhya, Mijikenda can fit - amorphous hustler movement is very tough sell as BBI anti-thesis. You seem to ignore the essence of BBI as credible power-sharing formula. It tribe vs class any way you slice and dice it.
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: RV Pundit on October 04, 2020, 07:29:59 PM
That would be awesome. Raila has trusted GEMA before and they kicked his teeth the 2nd day. Now it time for them to trust him with BBI.

Obviously you're smoking something illegal. Please read what you post. Sometimes.

Referendum is dead yes - but BBI is Raila 2022 Manifesto. It include 1/3 gender, 35% devolution, PM and name it. That why everyone is positioning for a piece if it in Handshake tent. Only upstarts and pawns back Mobutu. That what tribe vs class is: Mobutu unlike you has seen the trap and resorted to hustler nation. His small problem is converting the "ground" lie into numbers. Msambaweni is a good place to start. Mobutu will buy off ODM crew as usual - like in Wajir he bought off 2 ODM guys and was left with Kanu. This nonsense he calls ground support. Problem is he cannot outdo PORK in ukora - after spending gazilion handouts in Kibra - you were here lamenting how ODM had fortified the ground for years. If you play clean game - Mobutu would have nothing since he use loot which you call chess. Most of the mlolongo MPs and Khalwales following him for handouts - Uhuru merely use DCI or KRA to balance the equation. You have not seen any machinery Moi-style.

You will have NARC lineup in BBI - which is bankable compared to hustler. Of course you can always prove us wrong by routing ODM in Msambaweni. Already you see Mobutu ukora of buying out ODM folk - Feisal Bader and the Mariam lady at Pangani. He will spend some truckloads of loot then cry in the toilet on D-Day. There was no uprising in Kibra over the Luo goons since there was never any genuine Mariga support in the first place - just well-fed slumdwellers who couldn't care less about Mobutu.

I think BBI is officially dead; Killed by Corona. I doubt anybody can tell kenyans that our priority is to amend the constitution when kids have not been in school for a year, millions have lost jobs and the global economy is suffering. Start thinking of working with what we have. If they bring BBI - it will be shot down so spectacularly.

In any case we already in October - and BBI still gathering dust. BBI made sense in 2018 - when NASA was grumbling and had boycott election - otherwise right now the only BBI or handshake that can be done is btw Uhuru and Ruto. Raila is taken care of :) - really no need for katiba change - if you trust Raila - let him become PORK and ammend Katiba together with 2022 election.

Otherwise if you want revolution now - bring BBI. You can buy time till 2022 but if you play around with Kenyans - you'll get kibaki kind of treatment.

Raila your horse is dead, tired and kaput. Ruto is the new deal. The new Raila.

Yes ODM was NDP + Kanu. And now Mobutu after 15 years struggle to undo trojan 1 - Baba has pulled the rug from under his feet using trojan 2 aka Handshake.

Mobutu strategy is counterintuitive: 2002 Raila only took off with Mijikenda and Luhya. Kalenjin, MATUSA, NFD only canoodled with ODM about 3 years on their way from Kanu to URP. Mijikenda is different animal - little in common with URP pastoralists. Non-GEMA is very diverse house that was easy to unite as 41 vs 1. Without GEMA boogyman Mobutu has nothing to offer them.

GEMA the big problem is Prince Uhuru; then Mobutu is not Gema yet it took him whole 10 years to take over RV after Moi. It very tough journey to craft all-fitting safina that URP, Gema, Luhya, Mijikenda can fit - amorphous hustler movement is very tough sell as BBI anti-thesis. You seem to ignore the essence of BBI as credible power-sharing formula. It tribe vs class any way you slice and dice it.
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: Nefertiti on October 04, 2020, 11:41:19 PM
You've called me worse since I slice & diced Mobutu miracles, hustler, "ground" and China model nonsense.

Tribe vs Class is loading.

Voter bribery vs machinery - hehe - Kibra was dry-run. Mariga and Owallo have ganged up there and nobody is bothered. Let see Msambaweni first - my estimation is Mobutu dog Feisal Bader should clean the floor with Boga - 70% are dirt-poor. Hustler MOAS.

That would be awesome. Raila has trusted GEMA before and they kicked his teeth the 2nd day. Now it time for them to trust him with BBI.

Obviously you're smoking something illegal. Please read what you post. Sometimes.

Referendum is dead yes - but BBI is Raila 2022 Manifesto. It include 1/3 gender, 35% devolution, PM and name it. That why everyone is positioning for a piece if it in Handshake tent. Only upstarts and pawns back Mobutu. That what tribe vs class is: Mobutu unlike you has seen the trap and resorted to hustler nation. His small problem is converting the "ground" lie into numbers. Msambaweni is a good place to start. Mobutu will buy off ODM crew as usual - like in Wajir he bought off 2 ODM guys and was left with Kanu. This nonsense he calls ground support. Problem is he cannot outdo PORK in ukora - after spending gazilion handouts in Kibra - you were here lamenting how ODM had fortified the ground for years. If you play clean game - Mobutu would have nothing since he use loot which you call chess. Most of the mlolongo MPs and Khalwales following him for handouts - Uhuru merely use DCI or KRA to balance the equation. You have not seen any machinery Moi-style.

You will have NARC lineup in BBI - which is bankable compared to hustler. Of course you can always prove us wrong by routing ODM in Msambaweni. Already you see Mobutu ukora of buying out ODM folk - Feisal Bader and the Mariam lady at Pangani. He will spend some truckloads of loot then cry in the toilet on D-Day. There was no uprising in Kibra over the Luo goons since there was never any genuine Mariga support in the first place - just well-fed slumdwellers who couldn't care less about Mobutu.

I think BBI is officially dead; Killed by Corona. I doubt anybody can tell kenyans that our priority is to amend the constitution when kids have not been in school for a year, millions have lost jobs and the global economy is suffering. Start thinking of working with what we have. If they bring BBI - it will be shot down so spectacularly.

In any case we already in October - and BBI still gathering dust. BBI made sense in 2018 - when NASA was grumbling and had boycott election - otherwise right now the only BBI or handshake that can be done is btw Uhuru and Ruto. Raila is taken care of :) - really no need for katiba change - if you trust Raila - let him become PORK and ammend Katiba together with 2022 election.

Otherwise if you want revolution now - bring BBI. You can buy time till 2022 but if you play around with Kenyans - you'll get kibaki kind of treatment.

Raila your horse is dead, tired and kaput. Ruto is the new deal. The new Raila.

Yes ODM was NDP + Kanu. And now Mobutu after 15 years struggle to undo trojan 1 - Baba has pulled the rug from under his feet using trojan 2 aka Handshake.

Mobutu strategy is counterintuitive: 2002 Raila only took off with Mijikenda and Luhya. Kalenjin, MATUSA, NFD only canoodled with ODM about 3 years on their way from Kanu to URP. Mijikenda is different animal - little in common with URP pastoralists. Non-GEMA is very diverse house that was easy to unite as 41 vs 1. Without GEMA boogyman Mobutu has nothing to offer them.

GEMA the big problem is Prince Uhuru; then Mobutu is not Gema yet it took him whole 10 years to take over RV after Moi. It very tough journey to craft all-fitting safina that URP, Gema, Luhya, Mijikenda can fit - amorphous hustler movement is very tough sell as BBI anti-thesis. You seem to ignore the essence of BBI as credible power-sharing formula. It tribe vs class any way you slice and dice it.
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: RV Pundit on October 04, 2020, 11:49:07 PM
I don't recall anything mildly remarkable you've ever told me. Your sound like you are learning politics on the go. I am always helping you - but you turn around - and try to school the master.

Ruto is nailing both the tribes and class divide. This will be 2002 Narc Revolution. It will be duped THE HUSTLER NATION REVOLUTION. 65% is loading. I don't have to repeat daily but I see Ruto sweeping RV  (including Kikuyu diaspora) nearly 25% - as a huge start- taking 7% or more from western. Taking most if not all of pastoralist from Tana River to Moyale - that another 5%. We are already at 40% before we get to Nairobi,Coast, Eastern and Central. If Ruto sweep half of central, eastern and Nairobi -we will be past 70%. I am not even going to bother with Nyanza - although Ruto could score a lot of Gusii-Kuria - and even some Luos.

Just wait for Ruto-Kiunjuri to be sworn in statehouse....otherwise if for last 3yrs the BBI crew have not scored -- they cannot score now - as they become more desperate, more lameduck, more powerless- and as kenyans will become more bold, more daring and more impatient.

You've called me worse since I slice & diced Mobutu miracles, hustler, "ground" and China model nonsense.

Tribe vs Class is loading.

Voter bribery vs machinery - hehe - Kibra was dry-run. Mariga and Owallo have ganged up there and nobody is bothered. Let see Msambaweni first - my estimation is Mobutu dog Feisal Bader should clean the floor with Boga - 70% are dirt-poor. Hustler MOAS.
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: Nefertiti on October 05, 2020, 12:55:46 AM
That hustler MOAS of 65% - let see it in dirt-poor Msambaweni. Spin vs reality was already tested in Kibra and Ganda with well known outcome. Imran 65% vs 25% Mariga just change colum labels on that excel :) Mere 2 months no need to wait 2 years.
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: RV Pundit on October 05, 2020, 01:13:36 AM
Ruto is improving 55% jubilee by playing in Kibra and Coast..and many areas in NASA zones. You're too thick-headed to see.

Meanwhile do you really think there is a Jubilee member who will vote ODM :) - Mt Kenya :) and line up for Raila :)

Please as you're busy hallucinating - Ruto is sleep walking to PORK - first by cannibalizing NASA - and 2nd by making sure Jubilee remain ASILI.

By estimation is that by time Ruto is done with NASA - Raila will be left with 15-20%, maDVD 3% and Kalonzo 3%. About 20% combined :). Maybe Matiangi and others will take 10% from Jubilee.

Now ask yourself - Ruto will have 20-25% of NASA.

That hustler MOAS of 65% - let see it in dirt-poor Msambaweni. Spin vs reality was already tested in Kibra and Ganda with well known outcome. Imran 65% vs 25% Mariga just change colum labels on that excel :) Mere 2 months no need to wait 2 years.
Title: Re: What was coup about?
Post by: Nefertiti on October 05, 2020, 02:42:21 AM
As the saying goes: if wishes were horses... all beggars could ride that grand thoroughbred stallion.