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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on July 28, 2019, 09:53:58 AM
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https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Kenya-census-include-male--female-intersex-citizens-/1056-5212620-7k4fyz/index.html
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If it is based on biology then I’m all for it, but if it’s a matter of feelings then they need help
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Great. Bucketing the world as male-female is denial of reality. Sex is a continuum and more psychology than biology.
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If it is based on biology then I’m all for it, but if it’s a matter of feelings then they need help
But feelings are biochemically mediated though. Hormones and such.
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If it is based on biology then I’m all for it, but if it’s a matter of feelings then they need help
But feelings are biochemically mediated though. Hormones and such.
The psychology of intersex is a proven science actually. The "feelings" pastor derides in the delusional are tiny minority used to invalidate a whole group. Of course there's irony in a man of the cloth insisting on proof.
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If it is based on biology then I’m all for it, but if it’s a matter of feelings then they need help
But feelings are biochemically mediated though. Hormones and such.
The psychology of intersex is a proven science actually. The "feelings" pastor derides in the delusional are tiny minority used to invalidate a whole group. Of course there's irony in a man of the cloth insisting on proof.
I believe that. And yep, vooke demands nothing short of logical proof for scientific facts. A standard which science itself does not even recognize.
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Great. Bucketing the world as male-female is denial of reality. Sex is a continuum and more psychology than biology.
Well said.You nailed it
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There are only two gender... Male and female!
The rest are a creation of degenerative liberals. Probably the census is funded by soros or a related organisation!
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If it is based on biology then I’m all for it, but if it’s a matter of feelings then they need help
But feelings are biochemically mediated though. Hormones and such.
The psychology of intersex is a proven science actually. The "feelings" pastor derides in the delusional are tiny minority used to invalidate a whole group. Of course there's irony in a man of the cloth insisting on proof.
I believe that. And yep, vooke demands nothing short of logical proof for scientific facts. A standard which science itself does not even recognize.
Vooke's standard of proof would play quite a number on religion and faith.
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There are only two gender... Male and female!
The rest are a creation of degenerative liberals. Probably the census is funded by soros or a related organisation!
Well, opinions are a dime a dozen thank God we got science.
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There are only two gender... Male and female!
The rest are a creation of degenerative liberals. Probably the census is funded by soros or a related organisation!
Well, opinions are a dime a dozen thank God we got science.
There has been very little progress in core science since era of Tesla, Leibnitz etc. What you describe is pseudo science based on hearsay, degenerative liberals consensus, and biased opinions.
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If you want to know how science can be manipulated to achieve social deception, look no further than homosexuality (sodomy) and climate change. At one point, sodomy proponents drew inspiration from animals by claiming that certain animal species were also homosexual. So because orangutang also mates with mothers and children, then? The pseudoscience has now morphed itself into fact.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2004/07/homosexual-animals-debate/
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At one point, sodomy proponents drew inspiration from animals by claiming that certain animal species were also homosexual.
Yep. As radical as this may sound, homosexuality is actually not a state of being bewitched. People are born that way.
So because orangutang also mates with mothers and children, then? The pseudoscience has now morphed itself into fact.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2004/07/homosexual-animals-debate/ (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2004/07/homosexual-animals-debate/)
Nobody supporting gay rights that I am aware of is suggesting that incest or pedophilia be normalized. Are you?
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If it is based on biology then I’m all for it, but if it’s a matter of feelings then they need help
But feelings are biochemically mediated though. Hormones and such.
The psychology of intersex is a proven science actually. The "feelings" pastor derides in the delusional are tiny minority used to invalidate a whole group. Of course there's irony in a man of the cloth insisting on proof.
Don't get me started on DSM-5
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We risk speaking at cross purposes. We need clear answers on:
What is "intersex"?
What is a "sex continuum"?
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Basically think of it as male,female and other. inter-sex are people who are neither male or female because of biology and physiology and because it's their right to be whatever they want.my wife sister recently discovered her daughter didn't have a vagina - she had a hole for peeing only - and they took her for surgery - I am not sure how she will turn out in the future.
We risk speaking at cross purposes. We need clear answers on:
What is "intersex"?
What is a "sex continuum"?
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Intersex is two things :
-Physiology of mixed sexual organs as your sister-in-law's daughter
-Psychology as in a woman who uses right brain (transgender man) or a man who uses left brain (transgender woman)
Both cases are proven scientifically by gynaecology and psychiatry. I don't see any reason a woman would optionally aspire to live as a male or vice versa. It's an accident of birth. Particularly transgenders suffer gender dysphoria so they have no choice but to crossdress, hormone therapy, surgery, etc. A biological woman who think like a man will invariably get into brawls, drink tusker, dress as a tomboy and walk into gents or male toilet. Trouble become that they can't use urinal while standing :)
I don't know what motivates GeeMail to imagine this status as fun, optional or evil. Except that he is a tree-hugging hippie and a "conservative" - so everything must remain the same. Everyone needs proof except their imaginary Jesus.
Basically think of it as male,female and other. inter-sex are people who are neither male or female because of biology and physiology and because it's their right to be whatever they want.my wife sister recently discovered her daughter didn't have a vagina - she had a hole for peeing only - and they took her for surgery - I am not sure how she will turn out in the future.
We risk speaking at cross purposes. We need clear answers on:
What is "intersex"?
What is a "sex continuum"?
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Intersex is two things :
-Physiology of mixed sexual organs as your sister-in-law's daughter
-Psychology as in a woman who uses right brain (transgender man) or a man who uses left brain (transgender woman)
Both cases are proven scientifically by gynaecology and psychiatry. I don't see any reason a woman would optionally aspire to live as a male or vice versa. It's an accident of birth. Particularly transgenders suffer gender dysphoria so they have no choice but to crossdress, hormone therapy, surgery, etc. A biological woman who think like a man will invariably get into brawls, drink tusker, dress as a tomboy and walk into gents or male toilet. Trouble become that they can't use urinal while standing :)
I don't know what motivates GeeMail to imagine this status as fun, optional or evil. Except that he is a tree-hugging hippie and a "conservative" - so everything must remain the same. Everyone needs proof except their imaginary Jesus.
Basically think of it as male,female and other. inter-sex are people who are neither male or female because of biology and physiology and because it's their right to be whatever they want.my wife sister recently discovered her daughter didn't have a vagina - she had a hole for peeing only - and they took her for surgery - I am not sure how she will turn out in the future.
We risk speaking at cross purposes. We need clear answers on:
What is "intersex"?
What is a "sex continuum"?
Ms Robina
Psychology of intersex is fluid and PC but not science. This is gender dysphoria. Let’s not mix real intersex with imaginary (transsexuals)
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Pastor how do you distinguish real vs imaginary? For psychological intersex
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Pastor how do you distinguish real vs imaginary? For psychological intersex
Psychological are classified as mental disorders. Nothing beyond physiological intersexes is worth your while. They need help. I saw a clip of a Kamba man who was taking on a tethered cow. Imagine smashing his skull against the bull’s. He thought he was a cow
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Pastor how do you distinguish real vs imaginary? For psychological intersex
I think there is a tendency, among the religious, to see psychological things as not quite of this world. Ergo not a valid thing to study scientifically. My hot take.
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Look like Kenya court in 2014 ordered the census and taskforce.Some good recommendation came from task force.. including recognizing intersex as the third gender.
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Pastor how do you distinguish real vs imaginary? For psychological intersex
I think there is a tendency, among the religious, to see psychological things as not quite of this world. Ergo not a valid thing to study scientifically. My hot take.
The religious are a contrived lot. Jesus loves and welcomes everyone - provided of course that "everyone" fits into their narrow biblical box. The right conflates liberalism and science. LGBT is fiction as is climate change.
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Pastor how do you distinguish real vs imaginary? For psychological intersex
Psychological are classified as mental disorders. Nothing beyond physiological intersexes is worth your while. They need help. I saw a clip of a Kamba man who was taking on a tethered cow. Imagine smashing his skull against the bull’s. He thought he was a cow
Do you believe there are legit gay people? - since it is based on feelings.
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Pastor how do you distinguish real vs imaginary? For psychological intersex
Psychological are classified as mental disorders. Nothing beyond physiological intersexes is worth your while. They need help. I saw a clip of a Kamba man who was taking on a tethered cow. Imagine smashing his skull against the bull’s. He thought he was a cow
Do you believe there are legit gay people? - since it is based on feelings.
Yeah
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Pastor how do you distinguish real vs imaginary? For psychological intersex
Psychological are classified as mental disorders. Nothing beyond physiological intersexes is worth your while. They need help. I saw a clip of a Kamba man who was taking on a tethered cow. Imagine smashing his skull against the bull’s. He thought he was a cow
Do you believe there are legit gay people? - since it is based on feelings.
Yeah
If people can be psycologically gay why can't they be similarly intersex?
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Pastor how do you distinguish real vs imaginary? For psychological intersex
Psychological are classified as mental disorders. Nothing beyond physiological intersexes is worth your while. They need help. I saw a clip of a Kamba man who was taking on a tethered cow. Imagine smashing his skull against the bull’s. He thought he was a cow
Do you believe there are legit gay people? - since it is based on feelings.
Yeah
If people can be psycologically gay why can't they be similarly intersex?
Because there is something mental about imagining you are the opposite gender. This is something totally different from sexual attraction by your own gender
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Pastor vooke I see so many 'pastors' in the streets of California and Nairobi who belong to the lunatic asylum. That doesn't invalidate all pastors.
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I would understand the need to count biologically intersex persons in the census. The matter of feelings dictating gender is totally different. If intersex "feelers" or trans sexuals are to be counted, then let the census also include prostitutes, pedophiles and cross dressers too.
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I would understand the need to count biologically intersex persons in the census. The matter of feelings dictating gender is totally different. If intersex "feelers" or trans sexuals are to be counted, then let the census also include prostitutes, pedophiles and cross dressers too.
Except prostitute is not an identity. Conservatives by definition will resist anything that is different especially when it barely affects them. Hence the bizarre excuses and reasons now about how GoK should not simply count people. What if they were getting paid or something :D
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You are behind news to think prostitution is not an identity.
https://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2012/03/nairobi-sex-workers-demand-recognition/
I thought people here were operating on the platform that sexual identity is a continuum or something like that?
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You are behind news to think prostitution is not an identity.
https://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2012/03/nairobi-sex-workers-demand-recognition/
I thought people here were operating on the platform that sexual identity is a continuum or something like that?
Prostitution is a profession. Intersexual is a gender identity. Yes sex is a continuum but backwater Kenya now at least acknowledges a 3rd gender.
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I have no problem with counting persons with indeterminate sexual morphology. We know that persons with ma-feelings will rush there and be counted like to Tharaka-Nithi the census and perhaps in future demand political representation. Based on feelings.
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Pastor vooke I see so many 'pastors' in the streets of California and Nairobi who belong to the lunatic asylum. That doesn't invalidate all pastors.
No it doesn’t. Believing you are in a wrong body is sick. Attraction to same sex is also sick but on a far much lesser scale.
Imagine a woman who believes she is a gay man. How does she express her sexuality? Where does she fall? Straight, lesbian, gay?
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I have no problem with counting persons with indeterminate sexual morphology. We know that persons with ma-feelings will rush there and be counted like to Tharaka-Nithi the census and perhaps in future demand political representation. Based on feelings.
I see. I think you and vooke are afraid or distrusting of identity politics. If intersex persons turn out to be a significant headcount, obviously they will become a 45th tribe after the women. You cannot stop political progression so I suggest you adapt and embrace it.
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Pastor vooke I see so many 'pastors' in the streets of California and Nairobi who belong to the lunatic asylum. That doesn't invalidate all pastors.
No it doesn’t. Believing you are in a wrong body is sick. Attraction to same sex is also sick but on a far much lesser scale.
Imagine a woman who believes she is a gay man. How does she express her sexuality? Where does she fall? Straight, lesbian, gay?
She is a heterosexual (sexuality) transgender man (gender). See? nothing complicated unless you want it to be. In any case GoK should proceed with census and deal with unforeseen identities as they may arise. You cannot ab initio invalidate intersexuals.
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Pastor vooke I see so many 'pastors' in the streets of California and Nairobi who belong to the lunatic asylum. That doesn't invalidate all pastors.
No it doesn’t. Believing you are in a wrong body is sick. Attraction to same sex is also sick but on a far much lesser scale.
Imagine a woman who believes she is a gay man. How does she express her sexuality? Where does she fall? Straight, lesbian, gay?
She is a heterosexual (sexuality) transgender man (gender). See? nothing complicated unless you want it to be. In any case GoK should proceed with census and deal with unforeseen identities as they may arise. You cannot ab initio invalidate intersexuals.
She thinks she is a man so she is a man. And since you should agree with her beliefs, she is a man attracted to other men. See you are confused ? You think she is a woman but she ain't
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Pastor vooke I see so many 'pastors' in the streets of California and Nairobi who belong to the lunatic asylum. That doesn't invalidate all pastors.
No it doesn’t. Believing you are in a wrong body is sick. Attraction to same sex is also sick but on a far much lesser scale.
Imagine a woman who believes she is a gay man. How does she express her sexuality? Where does she fall? Straight, lesbian, gay?
She is a heterosexual (sexuality) transgender man (gender). See? nothing complicated unless you want it to be. In any case GoK should proceed with census and deal with unforeseen identities as they may arise. You cannot ab initio invalidate intersexuals.
She thinks she is a man so she is a man. And since you should agree with her beliefs, she is a man attracted to other men. See you are confused ? You think she is a woman but she ain't
My bad but what is it got to do with validity. Here you go:
He is a gay (sexuality) transgender man (gender).
We should allow the whole shebang of genders and sexualities so long as noone get special treatment. The sky won't collapse. Donge?
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Intersex gender based on biology is verifiable and scientifically provable, unlike fickle feelings of shemales and macho woman. Life is very dichotomous as far as gender is concerned. The so-called gays tend towards either, showing in spite of themselves that there are only two possibilities. Sexual orientation is not a continuum as suggested previously. If they want to celebrate a continuum, let them start with strict celibacy.
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Intersex gender based on biology is verifiable and scientifically provable, unlike fickle feelings of shemales and macho woman. Life is very dichotomous as far as gender is concerned. The so-called gays tend towards either, showing in spite of themselves that there are only two possibilities. Sexual orientation is not a continuum as suggested previously. If they want to celebrate a continuum, let them start with strict celibacy.
That's all Robina is pretending not to see.
Maybe we should allow men to slaughter other men who imagine they are fish or goats because they are what they thrink