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Re: Census to include intersex people
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2019, 06:54:11 PM »
Pastor how do you distinguish real vs imaginary? For psychological intersex

I think there is a tendency, among the religious, to see psychological things as not quite of this world.  Ergo not a valid thing to study scientifically.  My hot take.
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Re: Census to include intersex people
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2019, 07:06:56 PM »
Look like Kenya court in 2014 ordered the census and taskforce.Some good recommendation came from task force.. including recognizing intersex as the third gender.

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Re: Census to include intersex people
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2019, 08:03:18 PM »
Pastor how do you distinguish real vs imaginary? For psychological intersex

I think there is a tendency, among the religious, to see psychological things as not quite of this world.  Ergo not a valid thing to study scientifically.  My hot take.

The religious are a contrived lot. Jesus loves and welcomes everyone - provided of course that "everyone" fits into their narrow biblical box. The right conflates liberalism and science. LGBT is fiction as is climate change.
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Re: Census to include intersex people
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2019, 08:04:55 PM »
Pastor how do you distinguish real vs imaginary? For psychological intersex

Do you believe there are legit gay people? - since it is based on feelings.
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Re: Census to include intersex people
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2019, 09:49:38 PM »
Pastor how do you distinguish real vs imaginary? For psychological intersex

Do you believe there are legit gay people? - since it is based on feelings.

Yeah
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Re: Census to include intersex people
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2019, 11:22:22 AM »
Pastor how do you distinguish real vs imaginary? For psychological intersex

Do you believe there are legit gay people? - since it is based on feelings.

Yeah

If people can be psycologically gay why can't they be similarly intersex?
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Re: Census to include intersex people
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2019, 11:55:41 AM »
Pastor how do you distinguish real vs imaginary? For psychological intersex

Do you believe there are legit gay people? - since it is based on feelings.

Yeah

If people can be psycologically gay why can't they be similarly intersex?

Because there is something mental about imagining you are the opposite gender. This is something totally different from sexual attraction by your own gender
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Re: Census to include intersex people
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2019, 02:13:04 PM »
Pastor vooke I see so many 'pastors' in the streets of California and Nairobi who belong to the lunatic asylum. That doesn't invalidate all pastors.
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Re: Census to include intersex people
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2019, 04:59:01 PM »
I would understand the need to count biologically intersex persons in the census. The matter of feelings dictating gender is totally different. If intersex "feelers" or trans sexuals are to be counted, then let the census also include prostitutes, pedophiles and cross dressers too.
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Re: Census to include intersex people
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2019, 05:10:29 PM »
I would understand the need to count biologically intersex persons in the census. The matter of feelings dictating gender is totally different. If intersex "feelers" or trans sexuals are to be counted, then let the census also include prostitutes, pedophiles and cross dressers too.

Except prostitute is  not an identity. Conservatives by definition will resist anything that is different especially when it barely affects them. Hence the bizarre excuses and reasons now about how GoK should not simply count people. What if they were getting paid or something  :D
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Re: Census to include intersex people
« Reply #30 on: July 30, 2019, 05:41:16 PM »
You are behind news to think prostitution is not an identity.
https://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2012/03/nairobi-sex-workers-demand-recognition/

I thought people here were operating on the platform that sexual identity is a continuum or something like that?
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Re: Census to include intersex people
« Reply #31 on: July 30, 2019, 06:17:56 PM »
You are behind news to think prostitution is not an identity.
https://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2012/03/nairobi-sex-workers-demand-recognition/

I thought people here were operating on the platform that sexual identity is a continuum or something like that?

Prostitution is a profession. Intersexual is a gender identity. Yes sex is a continuum but backwater Kenya now at least acknowledges a 3rd gender.
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Re: Census to include intersex people
« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2019, 08:57:22 PM »
I have no problem with counting persons with indeterminate sexual morphology. We know that persons with ma-feelings will rush there and be counted like to Tharaka-Nithi the census and perhaps in future demand political representation. Based on feelings.
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Re: Census to include intersex people
« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2019, 09:10:22 PM »
Pastor vooke I see so many 'pastors' in the streets of California and Nairobi who belong to the lunatic asylum. That doesn't invalidate all pastors.
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Re: Census to include intersex people
« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2019, 02:51:56 AM »
I have no problem with counting persons with indeterminate sexual morphology. We know that persons with ma-feelings will rush there and be counted like to Tharaka-Nithi the census and perhaps in future demand political representation. Based on feelings.

I see. I think you and vooke are afraid or distrusting of identity politics. If intersex persons turn out to be a significant headcount, obviously they will become a 45th tribe after the women. You cannot stop political progression so I suggest you adapt and embrace it.
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Re: Census to include intersex people
« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2019, 02:57:57 AM »
Pastor vooke I see so many 'pastors' in the streets of California and Nairobi who belong to the lunatic asylum. That doesn't invalidate all pastors.

She is a heterosexual (sexuality) transgender man (gender). See? nothing complicated unless you want it to be. In any case GoK should proceed with census and deal with unforeseen identities as they may arise. You cannot ab initio invalidate intersexuals.
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Re: Census to include intersex people
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2019, 07:19:19 AM »
Pastor vooke I see so many 'pastors' in the streets of California and Nairobi who belong to the lunatic asylum. That doesn't invalidate all pastors.

She is a heterosexual (sexuality) transgender man (gender). See? nothing complicated unless you want it to be. In any case GoK should proceed with census and deal with unforeseen identities as they may arise. You cannot ab initio invalidate intersexuals.
She thinks she is a man so she is a man. And since you should agree with her beliefs, she is a man attracted to other men. See you are confused ? You think she is a woman but she ain't
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Re: Census to include intersex people
« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2019, 01:36:18 PM »
Pastor vooke I see so many 'pastors' in the streets of California and Nairobi who belong to the lunatic asylum. That doesn't invalidate all pastors.

She is a heterosexual (sexuality) transgender man (gender). See? nothing complicated unless you want it to be. In any case GoK should proceed with census and deal with unforeseen identities as they may arise. You cannot ab initio invalidate intersexuals.
She thinks she is a man so she is a man. And since you should agree with her beliefs, she is a man attracted to other men. See you are confused ? You think she is a woman but she ain't

My bad but what is it got to do with validity. Here you go:

He is a gay (sexuality) transgender man (gender).

We should allow the whole shebang of genders and sexualities so long as noone get special treatment. The sky won't collapse. Donge?
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Re: Census to include intersex people
« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2019, 07:34:55 PM »
Intersex gender based on biology is verifiable and scientifically provable, unlike fickle feelings of shemales and macho woman. Life is very dichotomous as far as gender is concerned. The so-called gays tend towards either, showing in spite of themselves that there are only two possibilities. Sexual orientation is not a continuum as suggested previously. If they want to celebrate a continuum, let them start with strict celibacy.
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Re: Census to include intersex people
« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2019, 07:38:16 AM »
Intersex gender based on biology is verifiable and scientifically provable, unlike fickle feelings of shemales and macho woman. Life is very dichotomous as far as gender is concerned. The so-called gays tend towards either, showing in spite of themselves that there are only two possibilities. Sexual orientation is not a continuum as suggested previously. If they want to celebrate a continuum, let them start with strict celibacy.

That's all Robina is pretending not to see.

Maybe we should allow men to slaughter other men who imagine they are fish or goats because they are what they thrink
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