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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on April 10, 2019, 01:51:05 PM
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You can find merits and demerits in anyone or anything. Even the local drunkard is otherwise always very friendly & social. As seen severally elsewhere on this blog - the empirical evidence does not agree with your position on corruption, borrow & build or "China model"; - Any number of things you quote as William Ruto's strengths are undermined by bigger, vicious vices or weaknesses he indulges. We can redux if you are in the mood.
No Pundit, corruption can and has stopped many leaders from delivering. Like the clannism-tribalism you noted on the Bashir thread, graft is a key reason for failed and stalled states.
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There are ways to measure for effectiveness - or say project output - or outcomes - we shouldn't debate the activities or the internals - unless we had bad output or outcomes. If a corrupt country was growing at 7% and non-corrupt at 7% - we can conclude corruption is no issue - ceteris peribus :) In short - we should always focus on the outcomes. What has somebody achieved. You can have non-corrupt lazy leader who doesn't do anything.
If we focus on the output - we stop endless debate about style or way of delivery - we focus on the deliverables.
You can find merits and demerits in anyone or anything. Even the local drunkard is otherwise always very friendly & social. As seen severally elsewhere on this blog - the empirical evidence does not agree with your position on corruption, borrow & build or "China model"; - Any number of things you quote as William Ruto's strengths are undermined by bigger, vicious vices or weaknesses he indulges. We can redux if you are in the mood.
No Pundit, corruption can and has stopped many leaders from delivering. Like the clannism-tribalism you noted on the Bashir thread, graft is a key reason for failed and stalled states.
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:o :o :o
Anyway at this rate we will place Uhuru as one leader who failed miserably when it comes to corruption. Even the prestige objects like SGR will not be marketable to the residents of Gatundu.
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If we restrict corruption to things like nepotism, conflict of interest, emoluments etc, then that might not have much of an effect, even though it still would by distorting the market.
What happens in Kenya is crude looting of public funds. You have funds for a dam and someone moves it into his account. In what universe does that not have a negative effect? And this is actually the shit the hustler is defending. In the middle of "the fight against corruption".
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There are ways to measure for effectiveness - or say project output - or outcomes - we shouldn't debate the activities or the internals - unless we had bad output or outcomes. If a corrupt country was growing at 7% and non-corrupt at 7% - we can conclude corruption is no issue - ceteris peribus :) In short - we should always focus on the outcomes. What has somebody achieved. You can have non-corrupt lazy leader who doesn't do anything.
If we focus on the output - we stop endless debate about style or way of delivery - we focus on the deliverables.
I am sure you would want to solely define the objects or outcomes. To be GDP or such. Well, here's a few things I said about corruption - the most malignant cancer - and its high priest.
UhuRuto have "leapfrogged" Kenya - from 6th to 2nd on Africa corrupt index. You see all kinds of growth metrics & parameters tossed about - no mention of the big param - called graft sector. Road accidents, dead patients, depleted env & drought, hunger. Even Westgate,Garissa Uni, Dussit attacks - were played by the insidious hand of corruption - as border post folks sell out their souls. Si hata wakubwa wanakula? The malignancy of corruption can be computed as exponential cost - to life, health, wealth, cohesion, peace, - ad nauseum. An open and shamelessly corrupt person has no place in leadership.
Yes glad you know this mashinani or "small-time" corruption is bad. I say it's dangerous and fatal. Now think of how we got there? - to insidious graft that every cop or borderman partakes? Of course it starts with the symbolic - when PORK like Moi carries cash in sacks - and dish out to school children to dance for him - that's where it leaked to the small man. TKK was Moi's greatest achievement. I posited earlier about the Kalenjin problem - of the raid culture - that makes them overtly corrupt. Ruto is baffled we don't want him to invest in heaven :) - in church, funeral, harambee - what does that do to the ubiquitous or structural corruption that lets in al Shaabab? Or the traffic cop who lets through the wornout gas truck? Or the forest officer who allows wanton logging? Or the electoral officer who stokes PEV? Or the judge who jails the innocent "rapist"? Or the baron who imports cancer as sugar? Or the brewer who sells poison as liquor? Or you and I? Who has the moral authority to call them out - a modest or moneybag leader?
I am sure Kenyans want all those evils - that is why they want the rich politician. Let us know when you get it.
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Pundit might argue too if say road accidents or rape don't affect GDP significantly - we don't need to fight them. It's all about the outputs.
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This must be the Pundit Law of Zero-Sum Graft :) What about say folks who get cancer - after drinking mercury in their tea - am sure they don't mind graft so long as GDP is on the up-&-up.
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When corruption becames negative influence - it shows in the output. I am not saying we should encourage or abet corruption - but we should be wary of leaders like Raila who shout corruption and other ABSTRACT issues - and avoid tangible measurable (so-called SMART) outputs - for example tell us how many kilometers of tarmac you've put. Jubilee claim to be constructing more roads than all gov previous combined - they cannot do that with run-away corruption. They are connecting more people than - all 3 previous gov did. That cannot happen with run-away corruption.
In short the conversation need to change from abstract - hard to pin down issues (impunity, corruption, change,) into tangible outputs -
NASA and Raila avoid such structured conservations - because it their weakness. They should be arguing with Jubilee figures - whether the number of kms under construction are really that many - power connection - dams (Ruto claimed they've build 6,000 pans!!)
If we restrict corruption to things like nepotism, conflict of interest, emoluments etc, then that might not have much of an effect, even though it still would by distorting the market.
What happens in Kenya is crude looting of public funds. You have funds for a dam and someone moves it into his account. In what universe does that not have a negative effect? And this is actually the shit the hustler is defending. In the middle of "the fight against corruption".
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We elect leaders to fix real issues. Nobody is elected to go fight corruption. They are elected to provide jobs, economic opportunities, to fix infrastructures and to provide gov services. How that is done is details. Many countries including kenya have figured out how to strive with rampant corruption. China figured out how to thrive with dictatorship.
This must be the Pundit Law of Zero-Sum Graft :) What about say folks who get cancer - after drinking mercury in their tea - am sure they don't mind graft so long as GDP is on the up-&-up.
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William Ruto encourages and abets corruption - by serving as negative role model. The other thieves at least are mean or modest. Do you see our big bone with him?
When corruption becames negative influence - it shows in the output. I am not saying we should encourage or abet corruption - but we should be wary of leaders like Raila who shout corruption and other ABSTRACT issues - and avoid tangible measurable (so-called SMART) outputs - for example tell us how many kilometers of tarmac you've put. Jubilee claim to be constructing more roads than all gov previous combined - they cannot do that with run-away corruption. They are connecting more people than - all 3 previous gov did. That cannot happen with run-away corruption.
In short the conversation need to change from abstract - hard to pin down issues (impunity, corruption, change,) into tangible outputs -
NASA and Raila avoid such structured conservations - because it their weakness. They should be arguing with Jubilee figures - whether the number of kms under construction are really that many - power connection - dams (Ruto claimed they've build 6,000 pans!!)
If we restrict corruption to things like nepotism, conflict of interest, emoluments etc, then that might not have much of an effect, even though it still would by distorting the market.
What happens in Kenya is crude looting of public funds. You have funds for a dam and someone moves it into his account. In what universe does that not have a negative effect? And this is actually the shit the hustler is defending. In the middle of "the fight against corruption".
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So charity and fundraising - one of KEY REASON together with cooperative mvt why kenya is one of biggest non-mineral economy should be frawn upon and discouraged. Kenyans everyday are fundraising.
The Kenyattas are very rich and corrupt - but because they don't contribute money - they are clean or discourage corruption. Very rich.
Being mean or modest is anti-kenyan. It shows you've lost touch with reality. It why hustler nation is resonating. People like Raila, Uhuru or Gideon do not really know what it mean to be poor - most kenyans are fundraising daily - I can tell you I spend maybe 10% of my salary supporting all impossible to ignore charities.
Why don't these rich dynastic politicians contribute money anonymously - but we know most of them are so tight-fisted - they cannot even pay for lunch for someone else. It either upbringing in elite schools or something close to that.
I mean Gideon Moi lost RV MPS for FAILING TO FOOT LUNCH BILL in 2003. You father has stolen money lasting many generations - and you cannot even buy lunch. And you want people to support you because you have got a great name - a D- minus failure or drunkard.
Ruto and Sonko - are out there - helping - adopting kids - and footing bills - and spending their meagre money compared to Uhurus and Mois - and kenyans are saying these people we want - they've got the right "heart".
At least Mama Ngina is willing to cut a big check - for his sons - once convinced - Moi could do the same - but Gideon would probably bank the money or play polo or casino with it.
Raila still blames Jaramogi generosity for the family poverty - so he swore never to be generous. Mps and leaders who follow Raila - have to fundraise to foot Odinga food and beer bills. He never buys anything. Mombasa arabs and johos long figured this - so they bought Raila's slaves (poor mombasa luos & luhyas) - by keeping tabs of all Raila expenses.
William Ruto encourages and abets corruption - by serving as negative role model. The other thieves at least are mean or modest. Do you see our big bone with him?
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The impact and cost of corruption is ABSOLUTE & EXPONENTIAL. Not abstract. In fact graft can be measured by SMARTER metrics. Ask Uhuru the PORK - his nephew & in-law died at Westgate - slaughtered like dogs - after corrupt bordermen let in al Shaabab - for 30 pieces of silver.
When corruption becames negative influence - it shows in the output. I am not saying we should encourage or abet corruption - but we should be wary of leaders like Raila who shout corruption and other ABSTRACT issues - and avoid tangible measurable (so-called SMART) outputs - for example tell us how many kilometers of tarmac you've put. Jubilee claim to be constructing more roads than all gov previous combined - they cannot do that with run-away corruption. They are connecting more people than - all 3 previous gov did. That cannot happen with run-away corruption.
In short the conversation need to change from abstract - hard to pin down issues (impunity, corruption, change,) into tangible outputs -
NASA and Raila avoid such structured conservations - because it their weakness. They should be arguing with Jubilee figures - whether the number of kms under construction are really that many - power connection - dams (Ruto claimed they've build 6,000 pans!!)
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That is stretching it. US and UK and France with zero corruption do get hit - right. A determined terrorist willing to die - will get past all security.
The impact and cost of corruption is ABSOLUTE & EXPONENTIAL. Not abstract. In fact graft can be measured by SMARTER metrics. Ask Uhuru the PORK - his nephew & in-law died at Westgate - slaughtered like dogs - after corrupt bordermen let in al Shaabab - for 30 pieces of silver.
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It baffles me when you say "Kenyans in their wisdom want corrupt politician". My obese niece wants a drum of candy - since when was Wanjiku the best arbitor of her own interest? I think we don't even agree on the meaning of leadership?
Nothing wrong with giving per se, but so long as the giver cannot account for the money, which is the case here. To me Kenyatta or Odinga or Moi are better role models - because they don't encourage & abet corruption - which is what Ruto's "generosity" does. Maajabu - that I have lost touch with reality - when your man says he's investing in heaven - as he donates loot in churches. You are actually sanctifying graft as Kenyan or African culture. :o
Not everything can be measured in "outcomes" - because that word itself is debatable. Say you have an AI - you can say the "outcome" is how powerful/intelligent it is - and forget the nuances of safety, etc. That's what Ruto's efficiency is - an unchecked power that build & destroy with no sense of sanity.
So charity and fundraising - one of KEY REASON together with cooperative mvt why kenya is one of biggest non-mineral economy should be frawn upon and discouraged. Kenyans everyday are fundraising.
The Kenyattas are very rich and corrupt - but because they don't contribute money - they are clean or encourage cleanest.
Being mean or modest is anti-kenyan. It shows you've lost touch with reality. It why hustler nation is resonating. People like Raila, Uhuru or Gideon do not really know what it mean to be poor - most kenyans are fundraising daily - I can tell you I spend maybe 10% of my salary supporting all impossible to ignore charities.
Why don't these rich dynastic politicians contribute money anonymously - but we know most of them are so tight-fisted - they cannot even pay for lunch for someone else. It either upbringing in elite schools or something close to that.
I mean Gideon Moi lost RV MPS for FAILING TO FOOT LUNCH BILLS in 2003. You father has stolen money lasting many generations - and you cannot even buy lunch.
Ruto and Sonko - are out there - helping - adopting kids - and footing bills - and spending their meagre money compared to Uhurus and Mois.
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You think by Ruto donating - he saying go steal money? How does that logic works? Everyone knows Kenyattas are dollar billionaires - and so are the Mois.Sonko get his criminal money - and donate. Ruto steals and donates. Uhuru steals and invest - and only spend during campaign. GM and Raila steal - and never invest in politics.
Everyone in Kenya knows all politicians are corrupt. That is why they elect Sonkos.
Tells us what you'll do for us....we know you're corrupt...steal but build us a road or church or a school...and we will reciprocate. That has been a message since 1960s.
Smart brilliant politicians like Ruto or Moi Snr or Sonkos - get the messages - and spend 10% of their loot - to reap even more. Their money is being re-invested smartly.
And idiot like Raila or GM - steal and become so tight-fisted - you'd think he is Bill Gates or Bezo - who worked for his money - and when politicians abandoned them - followed by the people - they shout Ruto is CORRUPT. REALLY NIGGER :D :D :D Ruto is Mashamba :) - for stealng 0.7 acre - while your fathers have 10,000 acres in Nairobi :) :) really Nigger.
Wait for hustle nation revolution. Hio Ujinga watu hawapendi. This is akin to ICC - Kibaki and Raila fight - share the spoils - and blame Uhuru & Ruto - and people could see the great injustice. Despite ICC indictment - Kenyans shocked the world - and elected not 1 but a pair of ICC indicted people. The egg in ICC is yet to be wipped.
Now BIGGEST GENERATIONAL THIEVES are blaming Ruto for all Kenya corruptions :) - and you think poor kenyans are also stupid.
It baffles me when you say "Kenyans in their wisdom want corrupt politician". My obese niece wants a drum of candy - since when was Wanjiku the best arbitor of her own interest? I think we don't even agree on the meaning of leadership?
Nothing wrong with giving per se, so long as the giver cannot account for the money, which is the case here. To me Kenyatta or Odinga or Moi are better role models - because they don't encourage & abet corruption - which is what Ruto's "generosity" does. Maajabu - that I have lost touch with reality - when your man says he's investing in heaven - as he donates loot in churches. You are actually sanctifying graft as Kenyan or African culture. :o
Not everything can be measured in "outcomes" - because that word itself is debatable. Say you have an AI - you can say the "outcome" is how powerful/intelligent it is - and forget the nuances of safety, etc. That's what Ruto's efficiency is - an unchecked power that build & destroy with no sense of sanity.
So charity and fundraising - one of KEY REASON together with cooperative mvt why kenya is one of biggest non-mineral economy should be frawn upon and discouraged. Kenyans everyday are fundraising.
The Kenyattas are very rich and corrupt - but because they don't contribute money - they are clean or encourage cleanest.
Being mean or modest is anti-kenyan. It shows you've lost touch with reality. It why hustler nation is resonating. People like Raila, Uhuru or Gideon do not really know what it mean to be poor - most kenyans are fundraising daily - I can tell you I spend maybe 10% of my salary supporting all impossible to ignore charities.
Why don't these rich dynastic politicians contribute money anonymously - but we know most of them are so tight-fisted - they cannot even pay for lunch for someone else. It either upbringing in elite schools or something close to that.
I mean Gideon Moi lost RV MPS for FAILING TO FOOT LUNCH BILLS in 2003. You father has stolen money lasting many generations - and you cannot even buy lunch.
Ruto and Sonko - are out there - helping - adopting kids - and footing bills - and spending their meagre money compared to Uhurus and Mois.
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Yes but not the Kenyan variety - starved goons with akala - who walk free in Nairobi with some spare change. That mashinani graft where you can smuggle anything, get IDs, access cards, etc, - rent apartment - with minimal effort is caused by entrenched graft where nobody cares but for their pocket. Imagine you are poor cop - 50K - you see top politician DPORK Ruto donating 20M each weekend - pap! just like that. Unless you are retarded you know he is a big thief. Would you care about people's lives or security - when Somali dude with heavy accent offer you 10K - to let thro the tinted van?
There have been geniuses the world over - you don't give one and take two - by infesting us with your cancer.
That is stretching it. US and UK and France with zero corruption do get hit - right. A determined terrorist willing to die - will get past all security.
The impact and cost of corruption is ABSOLUTE & EXPONENTIAL. Not abstract. In fact graft can be measured by SMARTER metrics. Ask Uhuru the PORK - his nephew & in-law died at Westgate - slaughtered like dogs - after corrupt bordermen let in al Shaabab - for 30 pieces of silver.
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Jubilee fixed terror - it did that by focusing on intelligence and all the cameras - agains OUTPUT matters. After 2013 - the next major attack was this year - and the response was world-class.
People can let terrorist pass - because they are either lazy to do their job or compromised. So corruption maybe nil - but terrorist will walk past a police officer talking to his girlfriend on the phone.
Yes but not the Kenyan variety - starved goons with akala - who walk free in Nairobi with some spare change. That mashinani graft where you can smuggle anything, get IDs, access cards, etc, - rent apartment - with minimal effort is caused by entrenched graft where nobody cares but for their pocket. Imagine you are poor cop - 50K - you see top politician DPORK Ruto donating 20M each weekend - pap! just like that - would you care about people's lives or security - when Somali dude with heavy accent offer you 10K - to let thro the tinted van?
There have been geniuses the world over - you don't give one and take two - by infesting us with your cancer.
That is stretching it. US and UK and France with zero corruption do get hit - right. A determined terrorist willing to die - will get past all security.
The impact and cost of corruption is ABSOLUTE & EXPONENTIAL. Not abstract. In fact graft can be measured by SMARTER metrics. Ask Uhuru the PORK - his nephew & in-law died at Westgate - slaughtered like dogs - after corrupt bordermen let in al Shaabab - for 30 pieces of silver.
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Robina my last - I need to play pool. Ruto and possibly Waiguru as DPORK will shock the world as the "Most" corrupt pair to win PORk. Watu hawapendi Ujinga. The same way UhuRuto indicted for the most egregious crimes in the world (with Ocampo argentinan accent) won.
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Jomo and Moi were equally negative role models - as far as graft goes - noone is defending them. Moi was worse for dishing money fwaa - Jomo kept it elite. Now to the present: few like you know Uhuru stole 30B - or Odinga got 2B handcheck - cause it just rumor few in the connected circle know. Wanjiku - the impressionable youth - are excited by the VISIBLE. I said the 1 coin or 100B Ruto has stashed is not the bone - rather the shameless trolleying of cash. 5M at goat auction, 2M at funeral, 50M for kogalo. So the voters want him because he is generous - to their peril - and here your notion of "outcome" is shortsighted. Because the youth, school kids & sundry are now infected with the malady.
You think by Ruto donating - he saying go steal money? How does that logic works? Everyone knows Kenyattas are dollar billionaires - and so are the Mois.Sonko get his criminal money - and donate. Ruto steals and donates. Uhuru steals and invest - and only spend during campaign. GM and Raila steal - and never invest in politics.
Everyone in Kenya knows all politicians are corrupt. That is why they elect Sonkos.
Tells us what you'll do for us....we know you're corrupt...steal but build us a road or church or a school...and we will reciprocate. That has been a message since 1960s.
Smart brilliant politicians like Ruto or Moi Snr or Sonkos - get the messages - and spend 10% of their loot - to reap even more. Their money is being re-invested smartly.
And idiot like Raila or GM - steal and become so tight-fisted - you'd think he is Bill Gates or Bezo - who worked for his money - and when politicians abandoned them - followed by the people - they shout Ruto is CORRUPT. REALLY NIGGER :D :D :D Ruto is Mashamba :) - for stealng 0.7 acre - while your fathers have 10,000 acres in Nairobi :) :) really Nigger.
Wait for hustle nation revolution. Hio Ujinga watu hawapendi. This is akin to ICC - Kibaki and Raila fight - share the spoils - and blame Uhuru & Ruto - and people could see the great injustice. Despite ICC indictment - Kenyans shocked the world - and elected not 1 but a pair of ICC indicted people. The egg in ICC is yet to be wipped.
Now BIGGEST GENERATIONAL THIEVES are blaming Ruto for all Kenya corruptions :) - and you think poor kenyans are also stupid.
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For every one thriving corrupt country - I can show you 20 failures. The one success is the exception not the sterling example.
We elect leaders to fix real issues. Nobody is elected to go fight corruption. They are elected to provide jobs, economic opportunities, to fix infrastructures and to provide gov services. How that is done is details. Many countries including kenya have figured out how to strive with rampant corruption. China figured out how to thrive with dictatorship.
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When corruption becames negative influence - it shows in the output. I am not saying we should encourage or abet corruption - but we should be wary of leaders like Raila who shout corruption and other ABSTRACT issues - and avoid tangible measurable (so-called SMART) outputs - for example tell us how many kilometers of tarmac you've put. Jubilee claim to be constructing more roads than all gov previous combined - they cannot do that with run-away corruption. They are connecting more people than - all 3 previous gov did. That cannot happen with run-away corruption.
In short the conversation need to change from abstract - hard to pin down issues (impunity, corruption, change,) into tangible outputs -
NASA and Raila avoid such structured conservations - because it their weakness. They should be arguing with Jubilee figures - whether the number of kms under construction are really that many - power connection - dams (Ruto claimed they've build 6,000 pans!!)
If we restrict corruption to things like nepotism, conflict of interest, emoluments etc, then that might not have much of an effect, even though it still would by distorting the market.
What happens in Kenya is crude looting of public funds. You have funds for a dam and someone moves it into his account. In what universe does that not have a negative effect? And this is actually the shit the hustler is defending. In the middle of "the fight against corruption".
But you are just assuming that the output is the same before and after corruption. Maybe it's 7% growth instead of 10% growth. Robbing the country of 3% growth.
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The impact and cost of corruption is ABSOLUTE & EXPONENTIAL. Not abstract. In fact graft can be measured by SMARTER metrics. Ask Uhuru the PORK - his nephew & in-law died at Westgate - slaughtered like dogs - after corrupt bordermen let in al Shaabab - for 30 pieces of silver.
When corruption becames negative influence - it shows in the output. I am not saying we should encourage or abet corruption - but we should be wary of leaders like Raila who shout corruption and other ABSTRACT issues - and avoid tangible measurable (so-called SMART) outputs - for example tell us how many kilometers of tarmac you've put. Jubilee claim to be constructing more roads than all gov previous combined - they cannot do that with run-away corruption. They are connecting more people than - all 3 previous gov did. That cannot happen with run-away corruption.
In short the conversation need to change from abstract - hard to pin down issues (impunity, corruption, change,) into tangible outputs -
NASA and Raila avoid such structured conservations - because it their weakness. They should be arguing with Jubilee figures - whether the number of kms under construction are really that many - power connection - dams (Ruto claimed they've build 6,000 pans!!)
That. And also stuff like no dam, where there would have been one. How is that delivering?
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The impact and cost of corruption is ABSOLUTE & EXPONENTIAL. Not abstract. In fact graft can be measured by SMARTER metrics. Ask Uhuru the PORK - his nephew & in-law died at Westgate - slaughtered like dogs - after corrupt bordermen let in al Shaabab - for 30 pieces of silver.
When corruption becames negative influence - it shows in the output. I am not saying we should encourage or abet corruption - but we should be wary of leaders like Raila who shout corruption and other ABSTRACT issues - and avoid tangible measurable (so-called SMART) outputs - for example tell us how many kilometers of tarmac you've put. Jubilee claim to be constructing more roads than all gov previous combined - they cannot do that with run-away corruption. They are connecting more people than - all 3 previous gov did. That cannot happen with run-away corruption.
In short the conversation need to change from abstract - hard to pin down issues (impunity, corruption, change,) into tangible outputs -
NASA and Raila avoid such structured conservations - because it their weakness. They should be arguing with Jubilee figures - whether the number of kms under construction are really that many - power connection - dams (Ruto claimed they've build 6,000 pans!!)
That. And also stuff like no dam, where there would have been one. How is that delivering?
The drought & starvation in Kenya - is largely caused by corruption. Before the botched dams - the forest went first - either illegal logging or letting in peasants for political expedience. And the guy will "efficiently" fix the problems he created.
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Pundit is still shooting pool? I wonder how it's going.. he's drunk with Ruto.
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Robina, a new member of this board would think Pundito to be our sage/guru here. That rookie would take Pundito too seriously. What with what he shoots here, at times very knee jerk in which he believes himself to be very smart, genius even..... He enjoys getting under our skin.... it is part of his daily doze alongside his pool and the ruaraka waters; deep down he prays to his gods that his prediction come true. At times it seems he is trying to believe his own endless tales and propaganda like Goebbels in which he seems close to outdo his tin-god from Sugoi, Kamagut in Turbo/Soy.
Now, Ruto has no capacity or parallel intelligence that I heard Pundit talk about here recently. Completely zero and he has been gob-smacked and running on zero intelligence.
The only person in Kenya who had a legendary parallel intelligence and whistleblower capacity (which is now on the wane) was/is Raila Odinga...
Ruto has really been pulling aimless shots all over and will soon will be worn out and a harmless hair-glazing punch will knock him out.
Pundit is still shooting pool? I wonder how it's going.. he's drunk with Ruto.
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Pragmatic - you're right chema chajiuza. Self imposed genius and abitor of knowledge is a new invention from Mavoko.
As for Ruto chuma chake ki motoni. He over reached, played his hand too early and can't sustain a protracted war against the system. He is the new Raila - Enemy of the State.
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:D :D :D :D :D
The truth hurts.
Pundit is still shooting pool? I wonder how it's going.. he's drunk with Ruto.
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You sound like Kamami? In any case Rv Pundit has used this handle for more than 15 yrs now - in 3 forums (rcb, nipate.com &.org) - and has dispensed dispassionate punditry since early 2000s for free. You lesser mortals mutate - because you blurt half-thought falsehood.
Robina, a new member of this board would think Pundito to be our sage/guru here. That rookie would take Pundito too seriously. What with what he shoots here, at times very knee jerk in which he believes himself to be very smart, genius even..... He enjoys getting under our skin.... it is part of his daily doze alongside his pool and the ruaraka waters; deep down he prays to his gods that his prediction come true. At times it seems he is trying to believe his own endless tales and propaganda like Goebbels in which he seems close to outdo his tin-god from Sugoi, Kamagut in Turbo/Soy.
Now, Ruto has no capacity or parallel intelligence that I heard Pundit talk about here recently. Completely zero and he has been gob-smacked and running on zero intelligence.
The only person in Kenya who had a legendary parallel intelligence and whistleblower capacity (which is now on the wane) was/is Raila Odinga...
Ruto has really been pulling aimless shots all over and will soon will be worn out and a harmless hair-glazing punch will knock him out.
Pundit is still shooting pool? I wonder how it's going.. he's drunk with Ruto.
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I am not a new invention. I have been online since early 2000s - now well going into 20yrs - using the same SINGLE handle - with my trademark well argued points. If I don't know anything about a subject - I keep quiet. You need to do the same. It's obvious you are new to kenya politics. I told you I spent my teenage years reading newspapers and magazines dating all the way to 60s. My father had a whole room of books and newspapers - at one point Moi's men - after arresting my father for possessing seditious material - came to search our library - and by the time my father was released 3 days later for lack of evidence - my mother had us destroy a whole room of books, magazines and newspapers - so I missed a lot of that.
I have watched Ruto keenly since he overthrew Biwott Moi's Kitchen cabinet in 2001. Ruto is NOT A JOKE. Kicking Biwott out Moi's kitchen cabinet, engineering Uhuru & GM (young turks) - both hopelessly clueless rich spoilt kids - take over of KANU - and basically running the show - while he was merely 30yrs - ass minister - should have told you long ago - that WSR is NOT JOKE.With Biwott gone - Saitoti and whole lots of generations of KANU leaders that depended on Biwott became sitting ducks - and Ruto wasted no time to kick their butts out.
There is no way DR Ruto will screw this up. He has been planning it for many years. He has meticulously crossed all the ts and dots.
Pragmatic - you're right chema chajiuza. Self imposed genius and abitor of knowledge is a new invention from Mavoko.
As for Ruto chuma chake ki motoni. He over reached, played his hand too early and can't sustain a protracted war against the system. He is the new Raila - Enemy of the State.
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Relax... have one on me and send the bill through when you can catch me!
The Weekly Review was serious analytical journalism. There hasn’t been any since it folded. I can bet even the GoK bureaucrats looked forward to reading it every week.
New to politics..... 8) 8)??? Having lurked here quietly doesn’t mean we are rookies. We probably just got pricked by some unsubstantiated innuendo and made a point to comment. From the look of things you seem to have only benefited from reading your dad’s weekly subscription to the WR (weekly review....not William Ruto), so that by the time it folded you couldn’t have been of age to afford it on your own tab. This explains why you don’t even know who Dave Murathe is. If you know and understood the potent student politics of then you would know that Dave Murathe was among the firebrands 2nd Tier to kina Orengo, Adungosi and Mwandawiro.
Relax and tone down on the WSR invincibility. Kuna wanaume zaidi ya yeye and they are just sizing him up. Mark this!
You sound like Kamami? In any case Rv Pundit has used this handle for more than 15 yrs now - in 3 forums (rcb, nipate.com &.org) - and has dispensed dispassionate punditry since early 2000s for free. You lesser mortals mutate - because you blurt half-thought falsehood.
Robina, a new member of this board would think Pundito to be our sage/guru here. That rookie would take Pundito too seriously. What with what he shoots here, at times very knee jerk in which he believes himself to be very smart, genius even..... He enjoys getting under our skin.... it is part of his daily doze alongside his pool and the ruaraka waters; deep down he prays to his gods that his prediction come true. At times it seems he is trying to believe his own endless tales and propaganda like Goebbels in which he seems close to outdo his tin-god from Sugoi, Kamagut in Turbo/Soy.
Now, Ruto has no capacity or parallel intelligence that I heard Pundit talk about here recently. Completely zero and he has been gob-smacked and running on zero intelligence.
The only person in Kenya who had a legendary parallel intelligence and whistleblower capacity (which is now on the wane) was/is Raila Odinga...
Ruto has really been pulling aimless shots all over and will soon will be worn out and a harmless hair-glazing punch will knock him out.
Pundit is still shooting pool? I wonder how it's going.. he's drunk with Ruto.
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Baadaye. Normally i type away with my chevy on auto-cruise. Iko kitu Palo Alto.
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I see you're old - kamami is still a small girl. I made the point to get UON in 91/92 - the day I listened to UON student shouting Moi must go! Moi must go! We hated Moi as a family - thanks to my dad rabid hatred for Moi - I think they were protesting the scrapping of something - weekly allowance or something like that - but they were surely very courageous.I was so inspired I wanted to go to UON and shout "Moi must go".I was fortunate in our first week in UON - about 8yrs later - we had a strike - I was so raring to go! But the fun didn't last a minute - I was in Uhuru highway with some folks - we were throwing stones at cars and having a laugh - as they furiously turned - and then this car comes - it doesn't stop or turn - we lurched forward menacingly - and just when we were so near it - they throw something that sounded like a bomb to us (teargas cannister) -ripped through the small crowd - I found myself on the ditch - I quickly got up and run into the UON grounds - injured - and I never got near any strikes. Our happiest moment was NARC revolution tearing through Nairobi and seeing KANU got humiliated.As regards what I read - they were mostly nation, standard, kanu times (rarely) - yes weekly review - & tonnes of yellow rags he would buy every time he went to Nairobi - my dad also bought the Times & Economist (he wasn't rich but I cringe every time I have to buy them). My father bought a newspaper every day - something I also did religiously until - 5yrs ago - when everything went online. Occasionally on his trips to Nairobi - he'd bring like 10 rags - both local, international and yellow - that were sold cheaply. While I was interested in reading old newspaper - my brother were busy stealing and selling them. We had some guy coming with donkey to ferry old newspaper - every school break - they'd pay us per kilo - my bros would climb through the ceiling into my dad library - and cart away kilos of old newspaper - to the butchery - where it would be used to wrap meat :) They'd leave me with magazines - that were glossy and not suitable for meat wrapping. Unlike now - we had serious shortage of news - KBC radio and tv - were just about Moi and music - BBC would air for 30mins - and it was mostly about DRC Congo fights or Rwanda or Iraq.
Relax... have one on me and send the bill through when you can catch me!
The Weekly Review was serious analytical journalism. There hasn’t been any since it folded. I can bet even the GoK bureaucrats looked forward to reading it every week.
New to politics..... 8) 8)??? Having lurked here quietly doesn’t mean we are rookies. We probably just got pricked by some unsubstantiated innuendo and made a point to comment. From the look of things you seem to have only benefited from reading your dad’s weekly subscription to the WR (weekly review....not William Ruto), so that by the time it folded you couldn’t have been of age to afford it on your own tab. This explains why you don’t even know who Dave Murathe is. If you know and understood the potent student politics of then you would know that Dave Murathe was among the firebrands 2nd Tier to kina Orengo, Adungosi and Mwandawiro.
Relax and tone down on the WSR invincibility. Kuna wanaume zaidi ya yeye and they are just sizing him up. Mark this!
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Any corrupt nation would experience short term highs. That's what Chavez did to Venezuela before it backfired shortly after he exited.
Here in Kenya the biggest output of corruption is external borrowing whose impact may be felt proper years after the thieves are out of office.
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Not may be, will be.
We have taken loans for projects which are over priced. The loans have to be paid back even if the projects are successfully completed or not.
Any corrupt nation would experience short term highs. That's what Chavez did to Venezuela before it backfired shortly after he exited.
Here in Kenya the biggest output of corruption is external borrowing whose impact may be felt proper years after the thieves are out of office.
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Don't interrupt people's wet dreams - please let folks be happy - & learn to lie sometimes. Anything you can say about Jubilee & UhuRuto - China model, Chile, Indonesia - are hare-brained ideas - pie in the sky fantasy. That's before you factor the inefficiency, incompetence & the looting extravaganza. Kenya mtalia kichaka.
Not may be, will be.
We have taken loans for projects which are over priced. The loans have to be paid back even if the projects are successfully completed or not.
Any corrupt nation would experience short term highs. That's what Chavez did to Venezuela before it backfired shortly after he exited.
Here in Kenya the biggest output of corruption is external borrowing whose impact may be felt proper years after the thieves are out of office.
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Bw RV Pundit, FRS - when we say you are not a genius we mean what we say. Suppose we had an economic boom? - as is likely to happen with the imminent demographic dividend; - We would still face and battle cancer, AIDS and other scourges. Ergo, pointing out prosperity as vindication of your permissiveness for sleaze is disingenuous and a fallacy. Again do I think you're lying? no. You're simply wrong to conflate these items - like you are about the economy subject and many others we have debated here. You cannot be dispassionate and wear blinkers at the same time.
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When did I ever claim to be a genius? This your normal strawman arguments. My understanding of corruption - is that it eventually goes away - if the economy grows. So I am not worried about it. I'd be worried if the economy was tanking. Corruption is down to risk-reward matrix - and when people don't have economic opportunities to live a honest dignified life - they will rob, steal,plifer, corrupt and game the system - they have nothing to lose.
Bw RV Pundit, FRS - when we say you are not a genius we mean what we say. Suppose we had an economic boom? - as is likely to happen with the imminent demographic dividend; - We would still face and battle cancer, AIDS and other scourges. Ergo, pointing out prosperity as vindication of your permissiveness for sleaze is disingenuous and a fallacy. Again do I think you're lying? no. You're simply wrong to conflate these items - like you are about the economy subject and many others we have debated here. You cannot be dispassionate and wear blinkers at the same time.
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Borrowing as increased - so have gov revenues to repay them. Venezuela problem is down to depending on one commodity - OIl -
Any corrupt nation would experience short term highs. That's what Chavez did to Venezuela before it backfired shortly after he exited.
Here in Kenya the biggest output of corruption is external borrowing whose impact may be felt proper years after the thieves are out of office.
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No corruption never "goes away". Check Russia - high upper middle economy but still corrupt. You can see the effects- Russia would be a big power yet is held back by insituionalised graft. Even after shedding the communism, Russia is an outstanding sampler of the effects of corruption.
China - again corruption did not "go away". It was brutally slayed first and then posterity followed.
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The "genius" soft tackle was not meant as a slight, sorry.
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Borrowing as increased - so have gov revenues to repay them. Venezuela problem is down to depending on one commodity - OIl -
Any corrupt nation would experience short term highs. That's what Chavez did to Venezuela before it backfired shortly after he exited.
Here in Kenya the biggest output of corruption is external borrowing whose impact may be felt proper years after the thieves are out of office.
The debt is growing faster than government income streams. This is why we are rolling over more and more, borrowing more to repay older debts, refinancing so to speak. We are borrowing to pay recurrent stuff. That’s why Eurobond money can’t be accounted for
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The debt is growing faster than government income streams. This is why we are rolling over more and more, borrowing more to repay older debts, refinancing so to speak. We are borrowing to pay recurrent stuff. That’s why Eurobond money can’t be accounted for
In fact yes. Debt-driven growth - just like personal investment - demands one be frugal, economical & efficient. We have no export boom like Chile nor do we build anything on our own. Expensive imports of expertise and capacity. The lender is also the builder.. Jubilee is very hare-brained.
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We are borrowing more - because our budget is increasing - but budget deficit is coming down. Anyway we first need 3.5B dollars from China :) for SGR to kisumu - and you can talk debt.
The debt is growing faster than government income streams. This is why we are rolling over more and more, borrowing more to repay older debts, refinancing so to speak. We are borrowing to pay recurrent stuff. That’s why Eurobond money can’t be accounted for